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* What Happened to the Powell Doctrine?Tiglath
+* Re: What Happened to the Powell Doctrine? Tiglath's stupidity!a425couple
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`* Re: What Happened to the Powell Doctrine?Ed Stasiak
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Subject: What Happened to the Powell Doctrine?
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 by: Tiglath - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:29 UTC

If Trump was president, a Pootin stooge would be sitting in Kiev already.

Biden's performance has been fine so far helping Ukraine... but I find it LACKING.

He is too preoccupied with setting Pootin off, which signals small cojones rather than caution.

Our defense budget is more than ten times that of Russia.

The nuclear threat is real but history tells us that dictators don't commit suicide unless the enemy is closing in on their bunker. Saddam was armed when we found him, and instead of going out in a blaze of glorious gunfire, he surrendered.

Pootin's military performance so far has been an eye opener, and it suggests that his competence in a nuclear war might be wanting just as much.

People who like Biden more than I do, keep telling me that by limiting Ukraine's firepower, Biden is helping Zelensky not to commit a strategic blunder like Tojo did with Pearl Harbor, which awoke the American giant and rallied the American people to go to town on Japan. Or like Hitler's Operation Barbarossa, which galvanized Russians to undertake their Great Patriotic War. I don't agree.

If Tojo had attacked Pearl Harbor after America had been attacking Japan for a 100+ days, unprovoked, and occupying 20% of the land... a closer analogy... I bet you that the 'day of infamy' refrain would ring far less poetic.

The Russian giant, or bear, is not asleep. It has already devoured a fifth of Ukraine and needs to be stopped forthwith.
The moral high ground is most important. Tojo never had it, Zelensky owns it.

Contrast what Biden is doing, with what Nixon/Kissinger did during the Yom Kippur War of 1973, to help a friend in need. Israel was going down, to the point that Dayan told Prime Minister Meir, that they faced the destruction of the Third Temple, unless they went nuclear. To avoid that Nixon set up an airlift that lasted 32 days, pouring all kinds of arms, even experimental ones, into Israel, so that they could rapidly turn things around and win the war in weeks. See: Operation Nickel Grass. In other words, they _made_sure_ our friends not only didn't lose, but that they won decisively. Such action would later be captured conceptually in The Powell Doctrine.

At best, Biden's aid will produce a stalemate. And this is dead wrong. Each day this war is prolonged, lots of people die and a great amount of economic and cultural infrastructure gets wrecked, and any day now Pootin is going to cause a China Syndrome in the middle of Europe's bread basket. Not to mention the impact the war is having on the world markets, food supply, and GAS PRICES.

Zelensky seems mindful that the two prongs of the war, military and politico-economic need to work in concert, but attacks on military targets on Russian soil should not be forbidden, as Biden demands, because even if that gives a foothold to Pootin's propaganda, his arguments would carry a tacit rebuttal, since HE started the war, and that is no secret, not even in Russia..

Non-military means to stop the war may take so long, if ever, bringing Pootin down that by then all Ukraine can hope for is a Pyrrhic victory.

My two cents.

Re: What Happened to the Powell Doctrine? Tiglath's stupidity!

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 by: a425couple - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:35 UTC

On 6/8/2022 9:29 AM, Tiglath wrote:
> If Trump was president, a Pootin stooge would be sitting in Kiev already.
>

Tiglath is a stupid, lying, ignorant, asshole.

Trump may be a jerk, but his being POTUS was
sure better for Ukraine that the Democrats have been.

While Clinton was President, Ukraine was pressured
to return all the USSR nuclear weapons.
While Obama was President, Russia just walks in
and takes the very important Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
Now while Biden is in office, Russia is waging war
and taking much more of the Eastern areas.

>
> My two cents.
>

2 cents is way over valued. Even with Biden's
terrible inflation, Tiglath's brain is not worth
that much.

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Subject: Re: What Happened to the Powell Doctrine?
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 by: Ed Stasiak - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 19:09 UTC

> tiglath
>
> If Trump was president, a Pootin stooge would be sitting in Kiev already.

Strange then, that during the fours years Trump was President,
his supposed good buddy Putin didn’t try anything with Ukraine
(despite the civil war being fought on Russia's border) and only
invaded after Biden got into the White House?

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 01:40 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:35:31 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
> On 6/8/2022 9:29 AM, Tiglath wrote:
> > If Trump was president, a Pootin stooge would be sitting in Kiev already.
> >
> Tiglath is a stupid, lying, ignorant, asshole.

Your posts don't elicit many replies, do they, motherfucker?

The motherfucker is so jealous and resentful of those who do.

You are so repellent, you human paraquat.

Did you stop having sex with your crippled mother yet, motherfucker?

Frame this reply, feel the love, because you shall again be ignored...

Reading you obituary shall be fun, though...

Fat chance... those who know you will probably just put you in the garbage.

Damn pity.

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 9 Jun 2022 01:49 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:09:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > tiglath
> >
> > If Trump was president, a Pootin stooge would be sitting in Kiev already.
> Strange then, that during the fours years Trump was President,
> his supposed good buddy Putin didn’t try anything with Ukraine
> (despite the civil war being fought on Russia's border) and only
> invaded after Biden got into the White House?

Strange indeed. I consider it Pootin's first big blunder.

We may never know why, but it is clear that when Trump got impeached after Zelensky would not enable his corrupt ways, it would have been the ideal time to invade. Go figure.

This is as much as I want to discuss Trump. The subject of the rest of my post being so much more important.

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