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* Goodness Is Not A ConstantTiglath
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Goodness Is Not A Constant

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 30 Jun 2022 15:24 UTC

The screamos came and ruled the day for a while, because when something egregious enough comes along, people will show up, and the people who cared about what’s right didn’t show up.

The good fight is not always fought, but there is a strength and a resiliency and an eventuality to vox populi. There are events that shake up those Americans who still believe there is a right way to do things. It’s the Peter Finch moment: I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore.

The screamos' cages have to be rattled. We might be experiencing that right now, though, thanks to Twitter and FB and the like, truth has no currency, but it will change when enough people get sick of it.

To engage screamos in dialog is an empty exercise. But the years since 2016 have been revealing enough to make a search for the guilty unnecessary.

Mr. Hines will never be an avatar of American goodness.

Re: Goodness Is Not A Constant - Blame Tiglath, Clinton, and Ginsburg

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 by: a425couple - Thu, 30 Jun 2022 17:01 UTC

On 6/30/2022 8:24 AM, Tiglath wrote:
> The screamos came and ruled the day for a while, because when something egregious enough comes along, people will show up, and the people who cared about what’s right didn’t show up.
>

Yes. Just like election day in 2016,
and Tiglath just did not bother to show up.
But somehow, he thinks he can write words
and complain about everything that was
caused by his negligence.

>
> To engage screamos in dialog is an empty exercise. But the years since 2016 have been revealing enough to make a search for the guilty unnecessary.
>

Yes, it is easy to see that Tiglath was guilty
of not even voting in 2016, and thus is responsible
for all the problems that followed.
Even Paul Gans agreed with that.

Here are a couple of others to blame:

from
https://www.vcstar.com/story/opinion/columnists/2022/06/29/hillary-clinton-and-ruth-bader-ginsburg-deserve-some-blame/7760131001/

Guest column: Hillary Clinton and Ruth Bader Ginsburg deserve
some of the blame
Ross K. Goldberg Your Turn

I am a lifelong Democrat since my days as a student volunteer for Robert
Kennedy’s presidential run in 1968. I provide that admission because I
am about to endure the scorn of my political brethren by speaking ill of
two of the party’s beloved icons. But here it goes.

Much of the problems that America faces today can be laid directly at
the feet of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and it’s
about time they no longer get a free pass for their actions. There, I’ve
said it.

In 2016, the Democrats anointed Hillary Clinton with its party’s
nomination because it was “her turn.” But history tells us that my turn
has never been a good enough reason for such an honor. Just ask Mondale,
Dole, Gore, Kerry, McCain or Romney. It was all of their turns and they
all lost. In fact, the last “my turn” candidate to win the presidency
before Joe Biden was George H.W. Bush 34 years ago.

Conversely, it is often the ones whose turn it isn’t — Carter, Bill
Clinton, George W. Bush, Obama, Trump — whose insurgency carried them to
surprising victory. Sadly, the Democrats chose to ignore this truism
and, instead, shamefully stacked the deck in the nominating process to
favor their favorite. They should have known storms were on the horizon
when, even despite the game being fixed, she barely edged out an aging,
little known socialist from Vermont.

Once nominated, the carefully orchestrated crescendo eroded into a
misguided campaign from Day 1. Her arrogance was apparent throughout and
such inner divinity prevented her campaign from candidly acknowledging
her weaknesses. Her relationship with the media was dreadful and its
erosion was felt by ordinary people. She failed to get young people and
minorities, two constituencies she desperately needed, excited about her
candidacy. She miscalculated the electorates’ appetite for change over
consistency. Worst of all, she never really could articulate why she was
running other than because it was her turn.

Despite all this, she still won the popular vote by three million which
indicates just what a winnable election it was. But popular vote has
never been the payoff window. And consider this: while Clinton won the
popular vote by three million, she won California (a state Trump
strategically ignored) by four million. That means she lost the other 49
by over a million.

Ruth Ginsberg had her turn, too. Regrettably, however, she didn’t know
when her turn should have been up and for that she deserves both credit
and criticism: credit for her passionate desire to serve and criticism
for ignoring the political consequences of her actions.

As far back as 1999 her well-documented health challenges began when she
was diagnosed with colon cancer, the first of her five bouts with
cancer. Nearly a decade later, Ginsburg fell in her office, fracturing
three ribs, for which she was hospitalized. While in the hospital a CT
scan showed cancerous nodules in her lungs. She underwent a left-lung
lobectomy and months later she completed three weeks of focused
radiation treatment to ablate a tumor found in her pancreas. Less than a
year after that, Ginsburg was once again receiving treatment for a
recurrence of cancer.

When John Paul Stevens retired in 2010, Ginsburg became the oldest
justice on the court and rumors swirled that she would retire because of
advancing age, poor health, and the death of her husband. Several times
during Obama’s presidency progressive attorneys and activists called for
Ginsburg to retire so that Obama could appoint a like-minded successor.

In 2013, Obama himself invited her to the White House when it seemed
likely that Democrats would lose control of the Senate, but she again
refused to step down. We all know how that ended. In the ultimate ironic
twist, it turned out that the final act of this heroine among feminists
was to do a great disservice to women by remaining on the bench through
the transition to a Republican president. Credit must be given to
Justice Breyer for not making the same mistake.

If the Democrats had not stacked the deck in 2016, or if Clinton would
have run even an adequate campaign, there would have been no Trump
presidency, meaning no scoffing at climate change, no cavalier response
to COVID-19, no big lie and no Jan. 6.

As for Ginsburg, had she not let stubbornness eclipse logic in 2013, her
seat would have been filled by Obama, not Trump. That would have meant
no dramatic shift of the court to the right, voting rights would not be
in jeopardy, Second Amendment challenges would likely have a far
different outcome, issues of separation of church and state would be
adjudicated more evenly and the cause for which she fought a lifetime to
protect — Roe v. Wade — would not have been abolished.

Hillary and Ruth. Two very smart individuals. Two very loyal Democrats.
Two heroes to millions. But as F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote, “show me a
hero and I will write you a tragedy.” Sadly, the tragedy this time is
the state of our republic.

Ross Goldberg
Ross K. Goldberg is a resident of Westlake Village and author of the
book “I Only Know What I Know.”

> Mr. Hines will never be an avatar of American goodness.
>

Hines has served the USA well and honorably.

Re: Goodness Is Not A Constant - Blame Tiglath, Clinton, and Ginsburg

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 30 Jun 2022 17:37 UTC

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 1:01:14 PM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:

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This fucker is so shameless he boasts his perversion in his very user id: the couple he alludes to is his incestuous relationship with his mother.

His calling card says it all, "I am a motherfucker." The number that precedes it is code for the average number of incestuous acts he performs every year. That's a lot of maternal satisfaction.

Leading with the deplorable truth, the motherfucker hopes people will read what he writes.

Only a frustrating few do though,... not a popular motherfucker, folks.

I used to read posts from the Geocentrist and PIGVOMIT, to my discredit, but the motherfucker's are past bearing.

I will tell him all these truths to his face, and worse, if he ever wants to meet.

I invited imbecile fuckers to meet before, and two or three agreed, but I never had one fucker show up. Since I documented the no-shows credibly, the salutary side effect was that those yellow fuckers never posted again. Not that anyone thanked me for taking out the trash.

The arrangements to meet the motherfucker are problematic, though, since I don't read his posts. so someone else would need to be the intermediary arranger. Any volunteer to help take out this piece of trash?

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