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by: arthurvv vart - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:33 UTC

1) How did you not win that game?
2) How didn't you win that game?

Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:

A) How did you manage not to win that game?

==============================

3) How could you not win that game?
4) How couldn't you win that game?

Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:

B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?

(How did hell did you lose that one?!)

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by: Jerry Friedman - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 15:29 UTC

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 2:33:35 AM UTC-7, arthurvv vart wrote:
> 1) How did you not win that game?
> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>
> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:
>
> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>
> ==============================
>
> 3) How could you not win that game?
> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>
> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:
>
> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>
>
> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)

1 and 3 are normal in colloquial AmE. 2 and 4 sound odd to me, though
you could probably find examples or see them in ngram results.

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In Jew America a nigger ape Tim Scott calls for attacks on glorious ancient Aryan iran !!!!!!

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by: S K - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 15:30 UTC

It is the few remaining Aryans against execrable mongrel mongrelizing jews.

we cannot just leave it to the poor besieged Palestinians.

jews should not be allowed to exist going forward.

from the river to the sea !!!!!!!!!!!!!

the Punjaban Namrata Randhawa Nikki Haley is a racial cousin to Iran - she really needs to understand her roots.

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by: HVS - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 15:33 UTC

On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote

> 1) How did you not win that game?
> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>
> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning
> is:
>
> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>
>==============================
>
> 3) How could you not win that game?
> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>
> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning
> is:
>
> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?

1 and 3 for me.
> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)

That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for me, not
"How did hell".

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by: lar3ryca - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 16:12 UTC

On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>
>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>
>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning
>> is:
>>
>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>
>> ==============================
>>
>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>
>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning
>> is:
>>
>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>
> 1 and 3 for me.

Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
Definitely double-plus-ungood.

>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>
> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for me, not
> "How did hell".

Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
"How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"

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by: HVS - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 17:42 UTC

On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote

> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>>
>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>>
>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>> meaning is:
>>>
>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>>
>>> ==============================
>>>
>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>>
>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>> meaning is:
>>>
>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>
>> 1 and 3 for me.
>
> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
>
>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>>
>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
>> me, not "How did hell".
>
> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"

All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).

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by: lar3ryca - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 20:00 UTC

On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
> On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
>
>> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
>>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>>>
>>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>>>
>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>> meaning is:
>>>>
>>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>>>
>>>> ==============================
>>>>
>>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>>>
>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>> meaning is:
>>>>
>>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>>
>>> 1 and 3 for me.
>>
>> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
>> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
>>
>>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>>>
>>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
>>> me, not "How did hell".
>>
>> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
>> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
>
> All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
> are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).

Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is
common.

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by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 20:09 UTC

On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:

> On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
>> On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
>>
>>> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
>>>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>>>>
>>>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>>>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>
>>>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>>>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>
>>>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>>>
>>>> 1 and 3 for me.
>>>
>>> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
>>> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
>>>
>>>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>>>>
>>>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
>>>> me, not "How did hell".
>>>
>>> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
>>> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
>>
>> All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
>> are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).
>
> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is common.

Not in mine.

--
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in England until 1987.

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by: bil...@shaw.ca - Thu, 9 Nov 2023 23:03 UTC

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 12:01:00 PM UTC-8, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
> > On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
> >
> >> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
> >>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
> >>>
> >>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
> >>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
> >>>>
> >>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
> >>>> meaning is:
> >>>>
> >>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
> >>>>
> >>>> ==============================
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
> >>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
> >>>>
> >>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
> >>>> meaning is:
> >>>>
> >>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
> >>>
> >>> 1 and 3 for me.
> >>
> >> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
> >> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
> >>
> >>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
> >>>
> >>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
> >>> me, not "How did hell".
> >>
> >> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
> >> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
> >
> > All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
> > are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).
> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is
> common.
>
So is "in heaven's name", I suspect.

bill

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by: Hibou - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 06:23 UTC

Le 09/11/2023 à 09:33, arthurvv vart a écrit :
>
> 1) How did you not win that game?
> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>
> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:
>
> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>
> ==============================
>
> 3) How could you not win that game?
> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>
> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:
>
> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>
> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)

(1) and (3) express the sentiment better, because one gives a particular
emphasis to this sort of exasperated enquiry and those wordings
reproduce that emphasis.

Without the emphasis, (3) in particular could be a vanilla question.

(Vanilla as ordinary. I'm aware that some love vanilla and don't think
it at all ordinary.)

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by: Rich Ulrich - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 07:05 UTC

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:00:54 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
>> On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
>>
>>> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
>>>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>>>>
>>>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>>>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>
>>>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>>>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>
>>>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>>>
>>>> 1 and 3 for me.
>>>
>>> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
>>> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
>>>
>>>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>>>>
>>>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
>>>> me, not "How did hell".
>>>
>>> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
>>> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
>>
>> All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
>> are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).
>
>Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is
>common.

I would say "how the hell" -- without the "in" -- and ngrams shows
the in-less version ranges from 4 to 7 times more frequent since 1920.
BTW, both versions have questionable existence before 1920.
That surprises me.

--
Rich Ulrich

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by: Dingbat - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 07:21 UTC

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 8:59:49 PM UTC+5:30, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 2:33:35 AM UTC-7, arthurvv vart wrote:
> > 1) How did you not win that game?
> > 2) How didn't you win that game?
> > 3) How could you not win that game?
> > 4) How couldn't you win that game?
> >
> 1 and 3 are normal in colloquial AmE. 2 and 4 sound odd to me, though
> you could probably find examples or see them in ngram results.
>
All 4 are normal with Why in place of How.
1) Why did you not win that game?
2) Why didn't you win that game?
3) Why could you not win that game?
4) Why couldn't you win that game?
I can't explain why using How makes 2 of them unidiomatic.

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by: Snidely - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:26 UTC

Thursday, lar3ryca murmurred ...
> On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
>> On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
>>
>>> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
>>>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>>>>
>>>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>>>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>
>>>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>>>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>
>>>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>>>
>>>> 1 and 3 for me.
>>>
>>> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
>>> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
>>>
>>>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>>>>
>>>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
>>>> me, not "How did hell".
>>>
>>> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
>>> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
>>
>> All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
>> are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).
>
> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is common.

I'd even go for "how the hell did you ....."

/dps "prep work not always positioned"

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by: Snidely - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:32 UTC

Rich Ulrich is guilty of <jalrkidn3gghul65oq5752iege2oghd13d@4ax.com>
as of 11/9/2023 11:05:03 PM
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:00:54 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
>>> On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
>>>>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>>>>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>>>>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
>>>>>> meaning is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 and 3 for me.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
>>>> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
>>>>
>>>>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>>>>>
>>>>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
>>>>> me, not "How did hell".
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
>>>> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
>>>
>>> All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
>>> are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).
>>
>> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is
>> common.
>
> I would say "how the hell" -- without the "in" -- and ngrams shows
> the in-less version ranges from 4 to 7 times more frequent since 1920.
> BTW, both versions have questionable existence before 1920.
> That surprises me.

Hell began in 1928, maybe.

/dps "you agreed with my post before I made it, eh?"

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by: Janet - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:15 UTC

In article <kr4sk6F528hU1@mid.individual.net>,
athel.cb@gmail.com says...
>
> On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>
> > On 2023-11-09 11:42, HVS wrote:
> >> On 09 Nov 2023, lar3ryca wrote
> >>
> >>> On 2023-11-09 09:33, HVS wrote:
> >>>> On 09 Nov 2023, arthurvv vart wrote
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1) How did you not win that game?
> >>>>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
> >>>>> meaning is:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ==============================
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3) How could you not win that game?
> >>>>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended
> >>>>> meaning is:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
> >>>>
> >>>> 1 and 3 for me.
> >>>
> >>> Likewise. #2, expanded, reads "How did not you win that game."
> >>> Definitely double-plus-ungood.
> >>>
> >>>>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
> >>>>
> >>>> That would have to be "How in hell did you lose that one?!" for
> >>>> me, not "How did hell".
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively, "How in the hell did you lose that game?", or
> >>> "How in the hell did you manage to lose that game?"
> >>
> >> All fine (or "How in hell's name did you lose that?". But all of them
> >> are "How *in*" not "How *did*" (which I suspect was just a typo).
> >
> > Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is common.
>
> Not in mine.

I was wondering "Why in the hell does he not? " but
perhaps you talk to yourself in French or Spanish more
than English.

Janet

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by: Hibou - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:23 UTC

Le 10/11/2023 à 13:15, Janet a écrit :
> In article <kr4sk6F528hU1@mid.individual.net>, athel.cb@gmail.com says...
>> On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>>
>>> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is common.
>>
>> Not in mine.
>
> I was wondering "Why in the hell does he not? " but
> perhaps you talk to yourself in French or Spanish more
> than English.

I think Athel's in two minds about that.

I'd say "how the hell" or "how in hell", I think, but not "how in the
hell", which seems as if it has a word too many.

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=how+the+hell+does%2Chow+in+hell+does%2Chow+in+the+hell+does&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>

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by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 14:13 UTC

On 2023-11-10 13:23:44 +0000, Hibou said:

> Le 10/11/2023 à 13:15, Janet a écrit :
>> In article <kr4sk6F528hU1@mid.individual.net>, athel.cb@gmail.com says...
>>> On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell" is common.
>>>
>>> Not in mine.
>>
>> I was wondering "Why in the hell does he not? " but
>> perhaps you talk to yourself in French or Spanish more
>> than English.
>
> I think Athel's in two minds about that.
>
> I'd say "how the hell" or "how in hell", I think, but not "how in the
> hell", which seems as if it has a word too many.

Yes. You've got it. I'm surprised that Janet didn't. Maybe she talks to
herself in Gaelic.
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=how+the+hell+does%2Chow+in+hell+does%2Chow+in+the+hell+does&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
>

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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by: lar3ryca - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:43 UTC

On 2023-11-10 00:23, Hibou wrote:
> Le 09/11/2023 à 09:33, arthurvv vart a écrit :
>>
>> 1) How did you not win that game?
>> 2) How didn't you win that game?
>>
>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:
>>
>> A) How did you manage not to win that game?
>>
>> ==============================
>>
>> 3) How could you not win that game?
>> 4) How couldn't you win that game?
>>
>> Which of the above sentences could be used if the intended meaning is:
>>
>> B) How was it possible for you not to win that game?
>>
>> (How did hell did you lose that one?!)
>
> (1) and (3) express the sentiment better, because one gives a particular
> emphasis to this sort of exasperated enquiry and those wordings
> reproduce that emphasis.
>
> Without the emphasis, (3) in particular could be a vanilla question.
>
> (Vanilla as ordinary. I'm aware that some love vanilla and don't think
> it at all ordinary.)

Ordinary it is not, but unfortunately it's one of the three most common
flavours, even to the extent that many vendors sell only chocolate,
vanilla, and strawberry.

--
How much better would it be if a liar's pants really did catch on fire?

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by: lar3ryca - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:45 UTC

On 2023-11-10 07:23, Hibou wrote:
> Le 10/11/2023 à 13:15, Janet a écrit :
>> In article <kr4sk6F528hU1@mid.individual.net>, athel.cb@gmail.com says...
>>> On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell"
>>>> is common.
>>>
>>> Not in mine.
>>
>> I was wondering "Why in the hell does he not? " but
>> perhaps you talk to yourself in French or Spanish more
>> than English.
>
> I think Athel's in two minds about that.
>
> I'd say "how the hell" or "how in hell", I think, but not "how in the
> hell", which seems as if it has a word too many.
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=how+the+hell+does%2Chow+in+hell+does%2Chow+in+the+hell+does&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>

If one is going for extreme emphasis, my favourite is "How in the actual
fuck..."

--
I intend to live forever – so far, so good.

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by: lar3ryca - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 16:08 UTC

I find it interesting that the BrE "how in the hell does", shows a lower
percentage than the AmE does.

--
I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

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by: Rich Ulrich - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 18:30 UTC

On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:43:44 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-11-10 00:23, Hibou wrote:

>>
>> (Vanilla as ordinary. I'm aware that some love vanilla and don't think
>> it at all ordinary.)
>
>Ordinary it is not, but unfortunately it's one of the three most common
>flavours, even to the extent that many vendors sell only chocolate,
>vanilla, and strawberry.

At my grocery, I've been buying vanilla ice cream for years -- by the
pint so that it stays fresh for a couple of weeks until I finish it.

Especially lately, I've noticed that VANILLA is in short supply in
pints. I see gallons and half-gallons of vanilla, but the pint-sized
containers in the freezer have everything else instead. There are
6 different augmentations of chocolate (mint, chip, fudge, etc.)
among the twenty different flavors, but I want vanilla or vanilla
bean. They have four or five luxury brands (high-fat, high-taste,
high cost) and last week, only one of those had a pint of vanilla.

Would another grocery do better, or is this somehow a feature
of modern marketing? -- I can see that households buy half
a dozen pints of various oddball flavors rather than a huge
container of the odd. Is this absence of pints of vanilla noticed
elsewhere?

--
Rich Ulrich

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by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 19:13 UTC

On 10-Nov-23 13:23, Hibou wrote:
> Le 10/11/2023 à 13:15, Janet a écrit :
>> In article <kr4sk6F528hU1@mid.individual.net>, athel.cb@gmail.com says...
>>> On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell"
>>>> is common.
>>>
>>> Not in mine.
>>
>> I was wondering "Why in the hell does he not? " but
>> perhaps you talk to yourself in French or Spanish more
>> than English.
>
> I think Athel's in two minds about that.
>
> I'd say "how the hell" or "how in hell", I think, but not "how in the
> hell", which seems as if it has a word too many.

That sums it up very well.

--
Sam Plusnet

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by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 21:26 UTC

On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 19:13:39 +0000
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 10-Nov-23 13:23, Hibou wrote:
> > Le 10/11/2023 à 13:15, Janet a écrit :
> >> In article <kr4sk6F528hU1@mid.individual.net>, athel.cb@gmail.com says....
> >>> On 2023-11-09 20:00:54 +0000, lar3ryca said:
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed, but I wanted to point out that in MyE, "how in _the_ hell"
> >>>> is common.
> >>>
> >>> Not in mine.
> >>
> >> I was wondering "Why in the hell does he not? " but
> >> perhaps you talk to yourself in French or Spanish more
> >> than English.
> >
> > I think Athel's in two minds about that.
> >
> > I'd say "how the hell" or "how in hell", I think, but not "how in the
> > hell", which seems as if it has a word too many.
>
> That sums it up very well.
>
I thought hell was other people? (present company excepted, of course)

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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by: Paul Wolff - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 23:37 UTC

On Fri, 10 Nov 2023, at 13:30:26, Rich Ulrich posted:
>On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:43:44 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2023-11-10 00:23, Hibou wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> (Vanilla as ordinary. I'm aware that some love vanilla and don't think
>>> it at all ordinary.)
>>
>>Ordinary it is not, but unfortunately it's one of the three most common
>>flavours, even to the extent that many vendors sell only chocolate,
>>vanilla, and strawberry.
>
>At my grocery, I've been buying vanilla ice cream for years -- by the
>pint so that it stays fresh for a couple of weeks until I finish it.
>
>Especially lately, I've noticed that VANILLA is in short supply in
>pints. I see gallons and half-gallons of vanilla, but the pint-sized
>containers in the freezer have everything else instead. There are
>6 different augmentations of chocolate (mint, chip, fudge, etc.)
>among the twenty different flavors, but I want vanilla or vanilla
>bean. They have four or five luxury brands (high-fat, high-taste,
>high cost) and last week, only one of those had a pint of vanilla.
>
>Would another grocery do better, or is this somehow a feature
>of modern marketing? -- I can see that households buy half
>a dozen pints of various oddball flavors rather than a huge
>container of the odd. Is this absence of pints of vanilla noticed
>elsewhere?
>
We do litres here, but even so, I seldom buy it because I make my own. I
can tell you that vanilla paste is remarkably expensive, as flavourings
go. Perhaps that means there's a world vanilla crisis.
--
Paul W

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by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 00:40 UTC

On 10-Nov-23 23:37, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023, at 13:30:26, Rich Ulrich posted:
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:43:44 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-10 00:23, Hibou wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> (Vanilla as ordinary. I'm aware that some love vanilla and don't think
>>>> it at all ordinary.)
>>>
>>> Ordinary it is not, but unfortunately it's one of the three most common
>>> flavours, even to the extent that many vendors sell only chocolate,
>>> vanilla, and strawberry.
>>
>> At my grocery, I've been buying vanilla ice cream for years -- by the
>> pint so that it stays fresh for a couple of weeks until I finish it.
>>
>> Especially lately, I've noticed that VANILLA is in short supply in
>> pints. I see gallons and half-gallons of vanilla, but the pint-sized
>> containers in the freezer have everything else instead. There are
>> 6 different augmentations of chocolate (mint, chip, fudge, etc.)
>> among the twenty different flavors, but I want vanilla or vanilla
>> bean. They have four or five luxury brands (high-fat, high-taste,
>> high cost) and last week, only one of those had a pint of vanilla.
>>
>> Would another grocery do better, or is this somehow a feature
>> of modern marketing? -- I can see that households buy half
>> a dozen pints of various oddball flavors rather than a huge
>> container of the odd. Is this absence of pints of vanilla noticed
>> elsewhere?
>>
> We do litres here, but even so, I seldom buy it because I make my own. I
> can tell you that vanilla paste is remarkably expensive, as flavourings
> go. Perhaps that means there's a world vanilla crisis.

Many "vanilla" flavoured things have not the slightest trace of the
orchid about them - so that should help..

--
Sam Plusnet

Housework can kill you if done right. -- Erma Bombeck

interests / alt.usage.english / how did you not win

interests / alt.usage.english / how did you not win

Subject	Author
how did you not win	arthurvv vart
Re: how did you not win	Jerry Friedman
Re: how did you not win	Dingbat
Re: how did you not win	Dingbat
In Jew America a nigger ape Tim Scott calls for attacks on glorious	S K
Re: how did you not win	HVS
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca
Re: how did you not win	HVS
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca
Re: how did you not win	Athel Cornish-Bowden
Re: how did you not win	Janet
Re: how did you not win	Hibou
Re: how did you not win	Athel Cornish-Bowden
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca
Re: how did you not win	Sam Plusnet
Re: how did you not win	Kerr-Mudd, John
Re: how did you not win	bil...@shaw.ca
Re: how did you not win	Rich Ulrich
Re: how did you not win	Snidely
Re: how did you not win	Snidely
Re: how did you not win	Hibou
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca
Re: how did you not win	Rich Ulrich
Re: how did you not win	Paul Wolff
Re: how did you not win	Sam Plusnet
Re: how did you not win	Athel Cornish-Bowden
Re: how did you not win	Janet
Re: how did you not win	Snidely
Re: how did you not win	Janet
Re: how did you not win	Paul Wolff
Re: how did you not win	Madhu
Re: how did you not win	Athel Cornish-Bowden
Re: how did you not win	Madhu
Re: how did you not win	Hibou
Re: how did you not win	Stefan Ram
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca
Re: how did you not win	Peter Moylan
Re: how did you not win	lar3ryca