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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 09:02 UTC

Now this is hardly one of Ramirez's most trenchant efforts, but I can't see any racial basis whatsoever for WaPo's editor to nix it; after all, it's lampooning the terrorists' civilian-shield policy, not their ethnicity.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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https://freebeacon.com/media/wapos-shipley-hand-selected-hamas-cartoon-he-pulled-amid-woke-blowback-cartoonist-ramirez-says/

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In article <988901b0-1b74-4183-8710-d7272903db83n@googlegroups.com>,
<"radioacti...@gmail.com"> wrote:

> Now this is hardly one of Ramirez's most trenchant efforts, but I can't see
> any racial basis whatsoever for WaPo's editor to nix it; after all, it's
> lampooning the terrorists' civilian-shield policy, not their ethnicity.
>
> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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> https://freebeacon.com/media/wapos-shipley-hand-selected-hamas-cartoon-he-pull
> ed-amid-woke-blowback-cartoonist-ramirez-says/

It's a holiday weekend. Fill-in staffs sometimes do stupid things that
have to be cleaned up when the regular crew comes back on Tuesday.

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 by: David Carson - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 13:25 UTC

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 01:02:31 -0800 (PST), "radioacti...@gmail.com"
<radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:

>Now this is hardly one of Ramirez's most trenchant efforts, but I can't see any racial basis whatsoever for WaPo's editor to nix it; after all, it's lampooning the terrorists' civilian-shield policy, not their ethnicity.
>
>BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
>===================
>https://freebeacon.com/media/wapos-shipley-hand-selected-hamas-cartoon-he-pulled-amid-woke-blowback-cartoonist-ramirez-says/

One of the complaints I read was that the cartoon depicted exaggerated
facial features, as if every political cartoon ever drawn before this one
didn't.

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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:18 UTC

Amen, David.

I mean, isn't the very essence of the political-cartoon art form caricaturing?

STYBLE/Florida

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:10 UTC

A Friend wrote:
>radioacti...@gmail.com wrote:

>>Now this is hardly one of Ramirez's most trenchant efforts, but I can't see
>>any racial basis whatsoever for WaPo's editor to nix it; after all, it's
>>lampooning the terrorists' civilian-shield policy, not their ethnicity.

>>https://freebeacon.com/media/wapos-shipley-hand-selected-hamas-cartoon-he-pulled-amid-woke-blowback-cartoonist-ramirez-says/

>It's a holiday weekend. Fill-in staffs sometimes do stupid things that
>have to be cleaned up when the regular crew comes back on Tuesday.

Seriously, dude. What the fuck? I expect you of all people to read the
cited article before commenting on it.

David Shipley is the editor of Michael Ramirez, the cartoonist. He's
the opinion editor. He approved it's publication. He pulled it...
midweek.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/08/readers-response-hamas-cartoon/

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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:17 UTC

Much respect and even appreciate your critique, Adam--even to the point of re-reading the referenced story to see what it is that I missed in my declaration that the cartoon in question lampooned Hamas policy, not the portrayed terrorist's ethnicity.

Nonetheless I'm afraid I couldn't figure out what you noted yet I missed therein; kindly delineate.

MEANWHILE:

I'm quite familiar (as are so many of y'all) with the talented Michael Ramirez's detail-rich drawing style, and I must say, this cartoon does not in the LEAST reflect that style!

Indeed, its visual style appears QUITE similar--even IDENTICAL--to that roughhewn style of another right-of-center cartoonist, Chip Bok. (Not sure which news service Bok cartoons for, but his incisive work often is re-published on Townhall's cartoon site.)

Thanks in advnce to anyone else herein puzzled by this cartoonist dissonance.

STYBLE/Florida

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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 22:10 UTC

Here's a new example of the afore-referenced Chip Bok's work.

Sure looks at LOT more like the WaPo-banned cartoon's style than Michael Ramirez's invariably-fine-line, detailed art, no?

STYBLE/Florida
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https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/chipbok/2023/11/10/201625

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Tue, 14 Nov 2023 02:31 UTC

radioactiveseattle@gmail.com wrote:

>Much respect and even appreciate your critique, Adam--even to the point
>of re-reading the referenced story to see what it is that I missed in my
>declaration that the cartoon in question lampooned Hamas policy, not the
>portrayed terrorist's ethnicity.

Caricature is the stock and trade of an editorial cartoonist. I'm
shocked that reporters don't know this and just saw racist intent.

>Nonetheless I'm afraid I couldn't figure out what you noted yet I missed
>therein; kindly delineate.

I don't think I commented on anything you wrote. A Friend blamed weekend
staff but the decision, choosing the cartoon, then removing it from the
Web site, was made by the opinion editor himself.

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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Tue, 14 Nov 2023 02:55 UTC

Sorry, Adam; I thought your exasperated read-before-posting! comment was directed at me.

(That was my well-developed persecution complex.)

STYBLE/Florida

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