- It is often the failure who is the pioneer in new lands, new undertakings, and new forms of expression.

Eric Hoffer

On 08/27/2022 08:32 PM, gggg gggg wrote:
> - It is often the failure who is the pioneer in new lands, new undertakings, and new forms of expression.
>
> Eric Hoffer
>

Eight Gs asked:
Re: Does this apply to Christopher Columbus?

I do not think so.
Christopher Columbus was smart, a visionary, who was obsessed with
his idea of making a great change and becoming famous and rich.
He was very curious, always learning from those around him.
He made many trips and learned, and passed on good information
to other influential people. He could have lived quite well
with his map making knowledge and abilities.

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 8:05:18 PM UTC-7, a425couple wrote:
> On 08/27/2022 08:32 PM, gggg gggg wrote:
> > - It is often the failure who is the pioneer in new lands, new undertakings, and new forms of expression.
> >
> > Eric Hoffer
> >
> Eight Gs asked:
> Re: Does this apply to Christopher Columbus?
>
> I do not think so.
> Christopher Columbus was smart, a visionary, who was obsessed with
> his idea of making a great change and becoming famous and rich.
> He was very curious, always learning from those around him.
> He made many trips and learned, and passed on good information
> to other influential people. He could have lived quite well
> with his map making knowledge and abilities.

But I thought that had he been more successful with his business he wouldn't have left Italy at all.

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 6:47:32 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 8:05:18 PM UTC-7, a425couple wrote:
> > On 08/27/2022 08:32 PM, gggg gggg wrote:
> > > - It is often the failure who is the pioneer in new lands, new undertakings, and new forms of expression.
> > >
> > > Eric Hoffer
> > >
> > Eight Gs asked:
> > Re: Does this apply to Christopher Columbus?
> >
> > I do not think so.
> > Christopher Columbus was smart, a visionary, who was obsessed with
> > his idea of making a great change and becoming famous and rich.
> > He was very curious, always learning from those around him.
> > He made many trips and learned, and passed on good information
> > to other influential people. He could have lived quite well
> > with his map making knowledge and abilities.
> But I thought that had he been more successful with his business he wouldn't have left Italy at all.

With a vision as powerful as his (however well, or not, it was applied), it was a total fanaticism that drove him.

On 09/07/2022 01:13 AM, Surreyman wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 6:47:32 AM UTC+1, gggg gggg wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 8:05:18 PM UTC-7, a425couple wrote:
>>> On 08/27/2022 08:32 PM, gggg gggg wrote:
>>>> - It is often the failure who is the pioneer in new lands, new undertakings, and new forms of expression.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Hoffer
>>>>
>>> Eight Gs asked:
>>> Re: Does this apply to Christopher Columbus?
>>>
>>> I do not think so.
>>> Christopher Columbus was smart, a visionary, who was obsessed with
>>> his idea of making a great change and becoming famous and rich.
>>> He was very curious, always learning from those around him.
>>> He made many trips and learned, and passed on good information
>>> to other influential people. He could have lived quite well
>>> with his map making knowledge and abilities.

>> But I thought that had he been more successful with his business he wouldn't have left Italy at all.
>

IMHO, he could have been prosperous staying in Genoa (Italy was not so
much then). But he wanted to be rich and famous, and complete his
driven compulsion. He left as a common seaman and had great adventures
and much learning. He gained great new insights.

> With a vision as powerful as his (however well, or not, it was applied), it was a total fanaticism that drove him.
>

YO! Surreyman, I just finished a 'great' little book about Columbus
spending time in Bristol, just the other side of the river from you in
Wales. I'll cover that separately.