mr chips chips-in...

> best way to approach just about anything on this earth
> is to remember first that we are selfish pig pigs.
> Everybody wants what they want. Be sure to stay out
> of their way if you don't want to get burned.

### - well that's actually quite kind/very-generous of you old chap ;)

coz here's moi thinking old mr chips resents me sooo much these days he'll
prolly be herding' me 'towards' the lions instead of away from 'em?
(really laffing haha)

but nooo... he don't wanna see his old shipmate slider getting brutally
ripped off just yet eh? (nice)

cheers matey, perhaps you're not such a miserable/hateful old bastard
after all huh...

(smile) :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td6CD3J9kiY

"i'm not saying the battle is won
but on saturday night all those kids in the sun
wrested technologies' sword from the hands of the warlords..."

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a
>>> little
>>> more about it...
>>>
>>> https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463
>>>
>>> i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating some
>>> online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant prices
>>> for
>>> (looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive any
>>> royalties from it though...
>>>
>>> so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's just
>>> replied:
>>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of the
>>> course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
>>> approach.
>>>
>>> The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a Zoom
>>> video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique? They
>>> would edit the video to make it look professional.
>>>
>>> Would you have an interest in telling your story?
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
>>> expertise
>>> and original material to just help promote 'his' new online courses??
>>>
>>> methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course and
>>> upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably
>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...
>>>
>>> so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and charge
>>> say only $10 for it lol...
>>>
>>> and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging over
>>> $100 for 'em???
>>>
>>> they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))
>>
>> First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if he
>> intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?
>>
>> There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly.
>>
>> When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
>> many templates from times past...
>
>### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at all
>thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
>current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs are
>gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order to
>hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering
>stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no one
>liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit
>that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult for
>beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed
>method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of WILDing
>via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
>obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years then
>heh)
>
>robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let him
>down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own online
>courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
>without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)
>
>to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching some
>post-production video companies who can professionally compile a standard
>dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so
>this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the dvd
>+ with several bonus videos to-boot...
>
>why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
>facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would likely
>sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site & ebay
>for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some text
>files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a copy
>of the ebook too, why not...
>
>it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd including
>the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and
>printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a
>download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
>downloads after the original file has been produced)
>
>and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it (as
>an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it for
>a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))
>
>totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D
>
>they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge 9.99
>for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat that)
>
>coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale until
>now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin' that
>hehe)
>
>and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost
>people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now heh, am
>gonna make sure of that...
>
>ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin' through!
>
>it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)
>
>(the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well,
>cool) :)

Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle,
it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal
your intentions until:

1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
and

2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.

That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.

And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you
put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video,
photographic, book cover, whatever.

As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet.

I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories.
Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol

Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a
>>>> little
>>>> more about it...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463
>>>>
>>>> i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating
>>>> some
>>>> online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant prices
>>>> for
>>>> (looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive any
>>>> royalties from it though...
>>>>
>>>> so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's just
>>>> replied:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of
>>>> the
>>>> course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
>>>> approach.
>>>>
>>>> The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a Zoom
>>>> video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique?
>>>> They
>>>> would edit the video to make it look professional.
>>>>
>>>> Would you have an interest in telling your story?
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
>>>> expertise
>>>> and original material to just help promote 'his' new online courses??
>>>>
>>>> methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course
>>>> and
>>>> upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably
>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...
>>>>
>>>> so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and
>>>> charge
>>>> say only $10 for it lol...
>>>>
>>>> and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging
>>>> over
>>>> $100 for 'em???
>>>>
>>>> they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))
>>>
>>> First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if he
>>> intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?
>>>
>>> There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly.
>>>
>>> When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
>>> many templates from times past...
>>
>> ### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at
>> all
>> thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
>> current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs
>> are
>> gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order to
>> hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering
>> stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no
>> one
>> liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit
>> that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult
>> for
>> beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed
>> method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of WILDing
>> via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
>> obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years then
>> heh)
>>
>> robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let
>> him
>> down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
>> online
>> courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
>> without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)
>>
>> to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching some
>> post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
>> standard
>> dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so
>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the
>> dvd
>> + with several bonus videos to-boot...
>>
>> why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
>> facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would likely
>> sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site &
>> ebay
>> for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some text
>> files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a copy
>> of the ebook too, why not...
>>
>> it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd including
>> the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and
>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a
>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
>> downloads after the original file has been produced)
>>
>> and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it
>> (as
>> an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it
>> for
>> a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))
>>
>> totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D
>>
>> they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge
>> 9.99
>> for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat
>> that)
>>
>> coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
>> until
>> now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin' that
>> hehe)
>>
>> and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost
>> people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now heh,
>> am
>> gonna make sure of that...
>>
>> ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin' through!
>>
>> it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)
>>
>> (the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well,
>> cool) :)
>
>
> Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle,
> it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal
> your intentions until:
>
> 1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
> and
>
> 2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
> (monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.
>
> That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
>
> And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you
> put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video,
> photographic, book cover, whatever.
>
> As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet.
>
> I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
> last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
> Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories.
> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol
>
> Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
> reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.

### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more or
less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont now
be getting changed any time soon heh...

and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather the
opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world in
its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part of
all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately creating
some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger doing
the pointing, simples...)

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a
>>>>> little
>>>>> more about it...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463
>>>>>
>>>>> i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating
>>>>> some
>>>>> online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant prices
>>>>> for
>>>>> (looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive any
>>>>> royalties from it though...
>>>>>
>>>>> so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's just
>>>>> replied:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of
>>>>> the
>>>>> course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
>>>>> approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a Zoom
>>>>> video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique?
>>>>> They
>>>>> would edit the video to make it look professional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you have an interest in telling your story?
>>>>>
>>>>> ***
>>>>>
>>>>> iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
>>>>> expertise
>>>>> and original material to just help promote 'his' new online courses??
>>>>>
>>>>> methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course
>>>>> and
>>>>> upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably
>>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...
>>>>>
>>>>> so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and
>>>>> charge
>>>>> say only $10 for it lol...
>>>>>
>>>>> and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging
>>>>> over
>>>>> $100 for 'em???
>>>>>
>>>>> they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))
>>>>
>>>> First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
>>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if he
>>>> intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?
>>>>
>>>> There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
>>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly.
>>>>
>>>> When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
>>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
>>>> many templates from times past...
>>>
>>> ### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at
>>> all
>>> thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
>>> current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs
>>> are
>>> gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order to
>>> hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering
>>> stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no
>>> one
>>> liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit
>>> that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult
>>> for
>>> beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed
>>> method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of WILDing
>>> via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
>>> obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years then
>>> heh)
>>>
>>> robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let
>>> him
>>> down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
>>> online
>>> courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
>>> without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)
>>>
>>> to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching some
>>> post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
>>> standard
>>> dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so
>>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the
>>> dvd
>>> + with several bonus videos to-boot...
>>>
>>> why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
>>> facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would likely
>>> sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site &
>>> ebay
>>> for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some text
>>> files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a copy
>>> of the ebook too, why not...
>>>
>>> it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd including
>>> the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and
>>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a
>>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
>>> downloads after the original file has been produced)
>>>
>>> and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it
>>> (as
>>> an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it
>>> for
>>> a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))
>>>
>>> totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D
>>>
>>> they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge
>>> 9.99
>>> for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat
>>> that)
>>>
>>> coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
>>> until
>>> now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin' that
>>> hehe)
>>>
>>> and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost
>>> people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now heh,
>>> am
>>> gonna make sure of that...
>>>
>>> ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin' through!
>>>
>>> it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)
>>>
>>> (the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well,
>>> cool) :)
>>
>>
>> Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle,
>> it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal
>> your intentions until:
>>
>> 1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
>> and
>>
>> 2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
>> (monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.
>>
>> That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
>>
>> And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you
>> put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video,
>> photographic, book cover, whatever.
>>
>> As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet.
>>
>> I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
>> last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
>> Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories.
>> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol
>>
>> Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
>> reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.
>
>### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more or
>less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont now
>be getting changed any time soon heh...

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:06:59 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney
>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> more about it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant
>>>>>> prices
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> (looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> royalties from it though...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> replied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a
>>>>>> Zoom
>>>>>> video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique?
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> would edit the video to make it look professional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you have an interest in telling your story?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
>>>>>> expertise
>>>>>> and original material to just help promote 'his' new online
>>>>>> courses??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably
>>>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and
>>>>>> charge
>>>>>> say only $10 for it lol...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> $100 for 'em???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))
>>>>>
>>>>> First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
>>>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if
>>>>> he
>>>>> intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
>>>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly..
>>>>>
>>>>> When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
>>>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
>>>>> many templates from times past...
>>>>
>>>> ### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at
>>>> all
>>>> thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
>>>> current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs
>>>> are
>>>> gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order
>>>> to
>>>> hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering
>>>> stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no
>>>> one
>>>> liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit
>>>> that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult
>>>> for
>>>> beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed
>>>> method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of
>>>> WILDing
>>>> via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
>>>> obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years
>>>> then
>>>> heh)
>>>>
>>>> robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let
>>>> him
>>>> down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
>>>> online
>>>> courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
>>>> without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)
>>>>
>>>> to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching
>>>> some
>>>> post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
>>>> standard
>>>> dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so
>>>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the
>>>> dvd
>>>> + with several bonus videos to-boot...
>>>>
>>>> why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
>>>> facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would
>>>> likely
>>>> sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site &
>>>> ebay
>>>> for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some
>>>> text
>>>> files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a
>>>> copy
>>>> of the ebook too, why not...
>>>>
>>>> it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd
>>>> including
>>>> the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and
>>>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a
>>>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
>>>> downloads after the original file has been produced)
>>>>
>>>> and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it
>>>> (as
>>>> an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it
>>>> for
>>>> a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))
>>>>
>>>> totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D
>>>>
>>>> they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge
>>>> 9.99
>>>> for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat
>>>> that)
>>>>
>>>> coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
>>>> until
>>>> now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin'
>>>> that
>>>> hehe)
>>>>
>>>> and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost
>>>> people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now
>>>> heh,
>>>> am
>>>> gonna make sure of that...
>>>>
>>>> ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin'
>>>> through!
>>>>
>>>> it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)
>>>>
>>>> (the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well,
>>>> cool) :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle,
>>> it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal
>>> your intentions until:
>>>
>>> 1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
>>> (monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.
>>>
>>> That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
>>>
>>> And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you
>>> put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video,
>>> photographic, book cover, whatever.
>>>
>>> As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet.
>>>
>>> I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
>>> last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
>>> Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories.
>>> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol
>>>
>>> Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
>>> reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.
>>
>> ### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more
>> or
>> less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont
>> now
>> be getting changed any time soon heh...
>
> Good for you.
>
>>
>> and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
>> considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather
>> the
>> opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
>> individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
>> turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world in
>> its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part of
>> all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately
>> creating
>> some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
>> pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger doing
>> the pointing, simples...)
>
> So what has that got to do with what I suggested above?

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:02:36 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:06:59 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> more about it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant
>>>>>>> prices
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> (looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> royalties from it though...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> replied:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a
>>>>>>> Zoom
>>>>>>> video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique?
>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>> would edit the video to make it look professional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you have an interest in telling your story?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
>>>>>>> expertise
>>>>>>> and original material to just help promote 'his' new online
>>>>>>> courses??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> methinks then it would be far better to create my own online course
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site presumably
>>>>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and
>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>> say only $10 for it lol...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> $100 for 'em???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
>>>>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
>>>>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
>>>>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
>>>>>> many templates from times past...
>>>>>
>>>>> ### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it at
>>>>> all
>>>>> thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
>>>>> current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that WILDs
>>>>> are
>>>>> gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order
>>>>> to
>>>>> hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already offering
>>>>> stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that no
>>>>> one
>>>>> liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary shit
>>>>> that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too difficult
>>>>> for
>>>>> beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to bed
>>>>> method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of
>>>>> WILDing
>>>>> via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
>>>>> obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years
>>>>> then
>>>>> heh)
>>>>>
>>>>> robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to let
>>>>> him
>>>>> down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
>>>>> online
>>>>> courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
>>>>> without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)
>>>>>
>>>>> to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching
>>>>> some
>>>>> post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
>>>>> standard
>>>>> dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality so
>>>>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on the
>>>>> dvd
>>>>> + with several bonus videos to-boot...
>>>>>
>>>>> why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
>>>>> facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would
>>>>> likely
>>>>> sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site &
>>>>> ebay
>>>>> for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some
>>>>> text
>>>>> files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a
>>>>> copy
>>>>> of the ebook too, why not...
>>>>>
>>>>> it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd
>>>>> including
>>>>> the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed and
>>>>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken as a
>>>>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
>>>>> downloads after the original file has been produced)
>>>>>
>>>>> and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload it
>>>>> (as
>>>>> an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote it
>>>>> for
>>>>> a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))
>>>>>
>>>>> totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D
>>>>>
>>>>> they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge
>>>>> 9.99
>>>>> for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL ! (beat
>>>>> that)
>>>>>
>>>>> coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
>>>>> until
>>>>> now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin'
>>>>> that
>>>>> hehe)
>>>>>
>>>>> and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna cost
>>>>> people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now
>>>>> heh,
>>>>> am
>>>>> gonna make sure of that...
>>>>>
>>>>> ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin'
>>>>> through!
>>>>>
>>>>> it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> (the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as well,
>>>>> cool) :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in principle,
>>>> it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not reveal
>>>> your intentions until:
>>>>
>>>> 1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> 2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
>>>> (monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.
>>>>
>>>> That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
>>>>
>>>> And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if you
>>>> put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be - video,
>>>> photographic, book cover, whatever.
>>>>
>>>> As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you - yet.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
>>>> last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
>>>> Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of memories.
>>>> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
>>>> reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.
>>>
>>> ### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more
>>> or
>>> less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont
>>> now
>>> be getting changed any time soon heh...
>>
>> Good for you.
>>
>>>
>>> and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
>>> considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather
>>> the
>>> opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
>>> individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
>>> turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world in
>>> its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part of
>>> all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately
>>> creating
>>> some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
>>> pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger doing
>>> the pointing, simples...)
>>
>> So what has that got to do with what I suggested above?
>
>### - you were going-on about showing my face and am justifying not doing
>so based on my deliberately avoiding any kind of personality cult
>inadvertently forming around 'me' as a person instead of focusing on the
>technique itself, in that sense you want to emphasise the finger instead
>of what it's pointing at... and that was the point, said/described in my
>own particular way to as to avoid confusion... why you should become
>confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've
>been drinking today? or if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:06:07 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:02:36 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:06:59 +0100, o'Mahoney
>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:45:29 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 03:17:04 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:04:20 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:59:30 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>>>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:27:21 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ### - this is the site that would host the video + have found out
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> more about it...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.awakeacademy.org/?v=79cba1185463
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i.e., robert waggoner himself is apparently in-process of creating
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> online course that's he'll be no doubt charging some exorbitant
>>>>>>>> prices
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> (looks like on average $150 per course on here) i wouldn't receive
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> royalties from it though...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so i asked him for a few more details of what's involved and he's
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> replied:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am working with Awake Academy on a lucid dreaming course. Part
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> course will feature a section on using lucid dreams and the WILD
>>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The folks at Awake Academy wonder if you would be willing to do a
>>>>>>>> Zoom
>>>>>>>> video with me, where you discuss the WILD lucid dream technique?
>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>> would edit the video to make it look professional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you have an interest in telling your story?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iow: it looks like he's perhaps only really seeking my personal
>>>>>>>> expertise
>>>>>>>> and original material to just help promote 'his' new online
>>>>>>>> courses??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> methinks then it would be far better to create my own online
>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> upload it to this site for them to promote heh, this site
>>>>>>>> presumably
>>>>>>>> taking a percentage on any income generated via it...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so how's about i create my 'own' comprehensive online course and
>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>> say only $10 for it lol...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and thus undercut ALL those fuckers (like charlie morley) charging
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> $100 for 'em???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they'd prolly all hate me haha :)))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, ask him by email what he intends to do with the content you
>>>>>>> contribute, whether you have final editorial rights over it, and if
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> intends to monetise it, what will be your percentage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is less honour in business than there is in war. Everyone is
>>>>>>> trying to make a crust, make ends meet. This guy too, undoubtedly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you have a response, kick it over here and I'll give you some
>>>>>>> advice. I'm thinking a contract will do the trick and I have many,
>>>>>>> many templates from times past...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ### - ah that's prolly very good advise but am not even gonna do it
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> thang... to my mind all the current big-wigs of lucid dreaming (the
>>>>>> current kings of it) are finally coming around to realising that
>>>>>> WILDs
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> gonna be a thing and are adapting their formats accordingly in order
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> hedge their bets... charley morley, for example, was already
>>>>>> offering
>>>>>> stuff about WILDs but only all the vague old-school techniques that
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> liked involving sleep paralysis and other completely unnecessary
>>>>>> shit
>>>>>> that's ultimately given WILDs a bad rep as being somehow too
>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> beginners etc, and this with a heavy emphasis on the wake back to
>>>>>> bed
>>>>>> method to-boot, all now made totally redundant by the advent of
>>>>>> WILDing
>>>>>> via hypnagogia alone on demand (so how cool is that heh, plus have
>>>>>> obviously made a small dent in the community over the last 5 years
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> heh)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> robert waggoner having now provided me with the perfect excuse to
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> him
>>>>>> down gently, i.e., can say am currently involved in creating my own
>>>>>> online
>>>>>> courses, quite possibly using the videos have already created (thus
>>>>>> without my ugly mug appearing in them either hah, perfect!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to this effect, have thus just spent a couple of hours researching
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> post-production video companies who can professionally compile a
>>>>>> standard
>>>>>> dvd from the videos have already made (they're all 720p dvd quality
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> this shouldn't be a problem) each single video being a chapter on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dvd
>>>>>> + with several bonus videos to-boot...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> why? because not everyone who might be interested goes to youtube &
>>>>>> facebook or knows to look for them there, so in dvd format would
>>>>>> likely
>>>>>> sell some copies via amazon and other places including my own site &
>>>>>> ebay
>>>>>> for example... can make a package of it to maybe even include some
>>>>>> text
>>>>>> files have personally written on the subject + maybe even include a
>>>>>> copy
>>>>>> of the ebook too, why not...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it apparently costs about £3 per copy to produce an actual dvd
>>>>>> including
>>>>>> the plastic box and paper cover inserts etc etc once have designed
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> printed them up, so could easily sell for £9.99, cheaper if taken
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>> download from my site (there's no production costs whatsoever for
>>>>>> downloads after the original file has been produced)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and then, once that's all been put together, could even then upload
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> (as
>>>>>> an online course) on that same academy website and let them promote
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a commission as well hah, lol wont robert & Co be surprised! :)))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> totally undercutting their otherwise huge charges, of course lol :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they wanna charge $150 for their old dildo-courses? i'll only charge
>>>>>> 9.99
>>>>>> for the full package including a copy of the book as well LOL !
>>>>>> (beat
>>>>>> that)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> coz i tell ya, they've all been ripping people off on a grand scale
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> now and am gonna put an end to all that hah! (will defo enjoy doin'
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> hehe)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and b'coz am telling ya: WILDs are dope maan, and it ain't gonna
>>>>>> cost
>>>>>> people fuck all compared to how they's been being milked until now
>>>>>> heh,
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> gonna make sure of that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok move over peeps, WILDs are coming through! WILDs are comin'
>>>>>> through!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's time to storm the citadel haha ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (the audio-book format is also due out in a couple of months as
>>>>>> well,
>>>>>> cool) :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in
>>>>> principle,
>>>>> it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and not
>>>>> reveal
>>>>> your intentions until:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. You have sufficient data from your own investigations
>>>>> (monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if
>>>>> you
>>>>> put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be -
>>>>> video,
>>>>> photographic, book cover, whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you -
>>>>> yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
>>>>> last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
>>>>> Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of
>>>>> memories.
>>>>> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
>>>>> reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked.
>>>>
>>>> ### - it's never been my way to do things conventionally and have more
>>>> or
>>>> less lived my whole life to date in such manner, so methinks that wont
>>>> now
>>>> be getting changed any time soon heh...
>>>
>>> Good for you.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and, as chris astutely observed one time: have actually gone to
>>>> considerable lengths to 'avoid' creating a cult outta all this, rather
>>>> the
>>>> opposite actually in that, if anything, it clearly fosters intense
>>>> individuality... and so deliberately avoiding it inadvertently being
>>>> turned into some kinda 'personality' cult along the way (as the world
>>>> in
>>>> its madness is habitually wont to do) was, and still is, a clear part
>>>> of
>>>> all this... it's gots nada whatsoever to do with moi deliberately
>>>> creating
>>>> some kinda mystique (iow: it doesn't matter 'whose' damn finger is
>>>> pointing at the moon: look at the 'moon' dammit and not the finger
>>>> doing
>>>> the pointing, simples...)
>>>
>>> So what has that got to do with what I suggested above?
>>
>> ### - you were going-on about showing my face and am justifying not
>> doing
>> so based on my deliberately avoiding any kind of personality cult
>> inadvertently forming around 'me' as a person instead of focusing on the
>> technique itself, in that sense you want to emphasise the finger instead
>> of what it's pointing at... and that was the point, said/described in my
>> own particular way to as to avoid confusion... why you should become
>> confused over such a simple explanation has me wondering how much you've
>> been drinking today? or if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)
>
>
> Are you having an episode? Here's what I wrote (or read above in this
> thread):
>
> "Look I don't care what subject matter the video will be, in
> principle, it would be a good idea to keep correspondence with him and
> not reveal your intentions until:
>
> 1. You have some indication from Waggoner of *his* intentions;
> and
>
> 2. You have sufficient data from your own
> investigations(monetising your ideas) to compare with (1) above.
>
> That's called a plan. I call it generic common sense.
> And, Slider, you will SELL much more and REACH a wider audience if
> you put a head to the talking bits, whatever medium those bits be -
> video, photographic, book cover, whatever.
>
> As I said, you're not Banksy - there isn't a mystique about you -
> yet.
>
> I'm open for advice. At the sweet spot in one of my careers, late
> last century, my hourly billing rate was well over $400AUD.
> Cognitively, there is no decline except for slower recall of
> memories.
> Unlike our "Iran war" debacle, I won't bill you lol
>
> Of course, the spanner in the works here could be that Waggoner is
> reading the posts here. In that case, (1) and (2) above are fucked"
>
> Now YOU interpret this to mean - "you were going-on about showing my
> face and am justifying not doing so based on my deliberately avoiding
> any kind of personality cult inadvertently forming around 'me' as a
> person instead of focusing on the technique itself, in that sense you
> want to emphasise the finger instead of what it's pointing at... and
> that was the point, said/described in my own particular way to as to
> avoid confusion... why you should become confused over such a simple
> explanation has me wondering how much you've been drinking today? or
> if it's weed then i defo want some! (laffing)"
>
> Brian you are fucking CRAZY. My advice was simple business advice. How
> the hell can you elicit this hogwash from the few lines I posted which
> I did for YOUR benefit. No wonder you have so many fucking enemies.

### - smile, the WILDing videos have just reached 500 subscribers on
youtube yaay! (1000 required to monetise so am now halfway home there) :)

55,542 visitors having produced some 2,633 watched hours between them,
along with 582 sales via 26 different countries from all over the globe
(26 countries! so how friggin' cool is that!)

not to mention the 1,621 people having joined the WILDs & WILDing open
group on facebook to-boot...

ahhh the wonders of the internet eh? :)

"i'm not saying the battle is won
but on saturday night all those kids in the sun
wrested technology's sword from the hands of the warlords!" (--roger
waters)

and so, as john martyn once stated on the back of one of his albums:

"Blessings to those who've helped & supported me on this journey and
curses to all those who've hindered."

i say ditto lol ;)

### - smile, am currently playin' around with some dvd-creation program?

being new software am thus having to do this completely the hard way (by
sheer trial & error iow, same as that video-editing program that time)
until learning more properly how it all works... and am just kinda getting
used to it enough to have produced this first prototype main menu hehe :)

and am thinkin' fuck me it actually looks quite good??

here's a quick screen shot of it anyway...

i mean, this is literally just a crude test of how the program works and
of how exactly to use/apply it to actually create a working dvd main menu
etc... but am actually rather impressed with this initial test result...

i.e., ya inserts yer' dvd and, after a short promo-intro plays (which have
yet to create) this first main screen is what ya'd then gets to after it
loads:

https://www.thewildway.com/files/test-menu.htm

can add more buttons/links/menus plus change and/or rearrange the text to
almost any degree etc etc, but whatcha think?

this would be followed by sub-menus for individual chapters and the 4 or 5
bonus videos (and anything else such as a copy of the book itself for
example) as well...

any good, or it's shit and i should just keep goin' haha :)))

(i dunno, it just has a nice feel to it?)

On Wed, 25 Aug 2021 18:42:12 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>### - smile, am currently playin' around with some dvd-creation program?
>
>being new software am thus having to do this completely the hard way (by
>sheer trial & error iow, same as that video-editing program that time)
>until learning more properly how it all works... and am just kinda getting
>used to it enough to have produced this first prototype main menu hehe :)
>
>and am thinkin' fuck me it actually looks quite good??
>
>here's a quick screen shot of it anyway...
>
>i mean, this is literally just a crude test of how the program works and
>of how exactly to use/apply it to actually create a working dvd main menu
>etc... but am actually rather impressed with this initial test result...
>
>i.e., ya inserts yer' dvd and, after a short promo-intro plays (which have
>yet to create) this first main screen is what ya'd then gets to after it
>loads:
>
>https://www.thewildway.com/files/test-menu.htm
>
>can add more buttons/links/menus plus change and/or rearrange the text to
>almost any degree etc etc, but whatcha think?
>
>this would be followed by sub-menus for individual chapters and the 4 or 5
>bonus videos (and anything else such as a copy of the book itself for
>example) as well...
>
>any good, or it's shit and i should just keep goin' haha :)))
>
>(i dunno, it just has a nice feel to it?)

Do you have any adherents to your wacky theories living in London? Why
not invite them over for a nice cuppa tea? You live in a nice central
position, why not?

Still waiting for your take on my last post, about your "+160 IQ" - I
assume you're twisting in the wind trying to counter the now-evident
fact that it's very, very probable that your entire life construct on
this site (and probably elsewhere in RL as well) is fiction and lies -
apart from the little chapbook you penned.

Tell me how you progressed descriptively from your mother and father's
lives being "less than a hill of beans" to being a "cult deprogrammer"
and touring artistes and hypnotists, all within the space of two years
here on ADC.

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Charlie Rain > Stanford University
·
This post will most likely be as disturbing as it is shocking. I have
been asked to obtain a modicum of tact for this disturbing as it is
shocking message I must relay.

I must put aside my tempered emotional state in order to relay truth.

The entire paradigm at Stanford is about to change.

Learning is about to change.

Disturbing because what I am going to tell you to read is what you may
consider a disruptive technology if it were in fact a technology at all....

You are all somewhat aware of Stephen La Berge and his work, however, you
are unaware of his failures at your institution albeit more on track than
any other human around.

You see, Dream Induced Lucid Dreaming is NOT IT.

Waking Induced Lucid Dreaming allows one to load the equivalent of a 4
year degree from MIT in two weeks time.

You see, we do not delve in anything other than facts.

The fact remains no matter how disturbing you find this post, reading The
WILD Way by Brian Aherne will allow all human beings to accelerate the
rate at which they learn on a scale of which until now has remained
unrealized.

***

### - smile, i met this intelligent-enough young dude about 4 or 5 years
ago after first posting the wild way on facebook, and in that time he's
completely switched over to WILDing as his method of choice when it comes
to lucid dreaming, subsequently becoming rather proficient... (the same
guy in that video-review, that he made completely off his own back btw
such was his passion, and that i borrowed from to make adverts out of
etc...)

and now here he is informing stanford U of a potential paradigm shift in
the 'way' we learn??

afaic, he still speaks & thinks in fairly naive + even emotionally-charged
terms when it comes to some of the implications & ramifications of being
'able' to WILD... the point here, however, is that he's not wrong, and has
reached that 'practical' level of it where he's now making mental models
based upon some OF those implications/ramifications based on things he's
realised himself!

it's taken him 4 or 5 years to work his way through to 'realising' all
those chapters one by one and is obviously just about getting to the
(philosophical) end of it, and, as such, is one of the first to do so ;)

he also used to be a bit of a hothead, talking almost exclusively in terms
of astral planes and chakras/energy-points + a whole bunch of other very
mystical gobbledygook heh, but all this has apparently sobered him up
somewhat by apparently providing some kind of perhaps clear-er albeit
visionary direction in life...

and imho that can only be a good thing...

so am pleased :)

### - here's a recent newbie in the WILDs & WILDing group, a more typical
case, whose been trying for a little while and posting his daily
progress... and he's just really getting to it now with this latest post
of his re a pretty cool experience last night, and coz just another couple
of sessions along these lines and he'll surely hit the jackpot big-time:
he's found/discovered the exact right spot! :)

Marc Aurel in WILDS & WILDing:
This night I had a clear dream and in this dream I still trained to WILD..
Then I woke up to normal awareness and started to train to see the
Hypnagogia. Cause there’s was a big storm with flashes/thunders outside,
everytime I d fall asleep there was the next thunder who brought me back
focusing again on Hypnagogia.

It was a really cool experience, I also sometimes felt to be pulled in but
not completely. So in my time feeling I watched and experiences Hypnagogia
with also some clear pictures for about two hours. So this was besides the
very first experience one of the closest to WILD.

It is such a wonderful experience!!!!!!

***

ohhh he's gettin' very close now alright hehe... he's yet to learn to
exercise his will in the matter (which 'is' the deciding factor after all
heh) but that will come quite naturally via trial & error alone, the very
thing he's actively exploring...

cool :)

### - oh noooo! what have i unleashed upon the world?? :D

our pioneering friend charlie is a visionary anyway heh, i.e., in this
instance he's apparently inspired and as such is peering/looking down the
line to about 50 years or so from now (maybe sooner) when certain
'questions' about the very nature of knowledge & understanding are being
asked, contrasted & compared to the way things have been perhaps more
traditionally done and/or approached via rote learning until now...

a 'new' approach emerging when it's realised/discovered that the old ways
are lacking and are downright slow by comparison... and here's charlie,
standing on the very threshold of it all, doin' his eloquent + passionate
best to 'translate' all this into current terms for a world that, as yet,
knows nada anything about it hehe... a lone voice crying in the WILDerness
heh ;)

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=390412812641630&id=100050187432975

(try and catch it, as i wouldn't be surprised if it's deleted fairly soon
as imho it's really too far ahead of its time not to cause some offense
from various quarters at this time, both religious & scientific...
although in time we can surely expect more like this from others also
peeping over that same horizon/ridge and seeing/sensing similar things...)

### - posted this article in the WILDs & WILDing facebook group (now with
1,649 members) back in Feb regarding membership in this lucid dreaming
support group, something which, imho, speaks for itself :)

How This group Typically Functions.

BRIAN AHERNE·SUNDAY, 21 FEBRUARY 2021·

Looking back over the last 4 years or so, certain trends are emerging
whereby newbies typically hang around for a while absorbing the technique
before then putting it into practice, the successful ones amongst them
then leaving or wandering away from the group to go on to, presumably,
even greater things albeit entirely on their own...

In fact, i even have an idea that WILDing actually increases one's overall
sense of independence thus obviating any further need for being in a
support group altogether.

It not being everyone's cup of tea to teach or to hang around in a group
of similar minds, many then moving on to pastures new on their own, all
thought of support left well and truly behind, something which actually
makes perfect sense to me in many ways. So then, what we tend to see here
is a high turnover of newbies, with perhaps only one or 3 (myself
included) hardcore-types remaining behind to perhaps help others get
started too, and/or to maybe discuss/debate future developments and any
philosophical-type connotations amongst similarly inquiring minds...

So then, i would ask those who manage to WILD to try and teach at least
one other person somewhere along the line, either here in this group where
newbies abound, or even out there in the world wherever they happen to go,
this then obviating/freeing them from any further responsibility, so to
speak, and thus also maybe as a gesture of thanks for any help they've
perhaps personally received.

An old mentor friend of mine once said/suggested to me that: "Each one
teach one!" being what what anyone should do with something they may have
learned that's of any value, and this still makes perfect sense to me...

In which case: good luck to you all you newbies here; you're shorter or
longer stay here has hopefully been fun and i hope you've enjoyed
yourselves and learned plenty that will stand you all in good stead no
matter where you go or what you do next after mastering this incredible
ability of ours to WILD. :)

With the best of heart-felt luck to you + happy WILDing to all...

From slider (brian)
Author of 'The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming' (2016 Amazon Press)

On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:13:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>### - posted this article in the WILDs & WILDing facebook group (now with
>1,649 members) back in Feb regarding membership in this lucid dreaming
>support group, something which, imho, speaks for itself :)
>
>
>How This group Typically Functions.
>
>BRIAN AHERNE·SUNDAY, 21 FEBRUARY 2021·
>
>Looking back over the last 4 years or so, certain trends are emerging
>whereby newbies typically hang around for a while absorbing the technique
>before then putting it into practice, the successful ones amongst them
>then leaving or wandering away from the group to go on to, presumably,
>even greater things albeit entirely on their own...
>
>In fact, i even have an idea that WILDing actually increases one's overall
>sense of independence thus obviating any further need for being in a
>support group altogether.
>
>It not being everyone's cup of tea to teach or to hang around in a group
>of similar minds, many then moving on to pastures new on their own, all
>thought of support left well and truly behind, something which actually
>makes perfect sense to me in many ways. So then, what we tend to see here
>is a high turnover of newbies, with perhaps only one or 3 (myself
>included) hardcore-types remaining behind to perhaps help others get
>started too, and/or to maybe discuss/debate future developments and any
>philosophical-type connotations amongst similarly inquiring minds...
>
>So then, i would ask those who manage to WILD to try and teach at least
>one other person somewhere along the line, either here in this group where
>newbies abound, or even out there in the world wherever they happen to go,
>this then obviating/freeing them from any further responsibility, so to
>speak, and thus also maybe as a gesture of thanks for any help they've
>perhaps personally received.
>
>An old mentor friend of mine once said/suggested to me that: "Each one
>teach one!" being what what anyone should do with something they may have
>learned that's of any value, and this still makes perfect sense to me...
>
>In which case: good luck to you all you newbies here; you're shorter or
>longer stay here has hopefully been fun and i hope you've enjoyed
>yourselves and learned plenty that will stand you all in good stead no
>matter where you go or what you do next after mastering this incredible
>ability of ours to WILD. :)
>
>With the best of heart-felt luck to you + happy WILDing to all...
>
> From slider (brian)
>Author of 'The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming' (2016 Amazon Press)

I'm surprised you stoop to their level Brian.

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 05:34:27 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:13:48 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ### - posted this article in the WILDs & WILDing facebook group (now
>> with
>> 1,649 members) back in Feb regarding membership in this lucid dreaming
>> support group, something which, imho, speaks for itself :)
>>
>>
>> How This group Typically Functions.
>>
>> BRIAN AHERNE·SUNDAY, 21 FEBRUARY 2021·
>>
>> Looking back over the last 4 years or so, certain trends are emerging
>> whereby newbies typically hang around for a while absorbing the
>> technique
>> before then putting it into practice, the successful ones amongst them
>> then leaving or wandering away from the group to go on to, presumably,
>> even greater things albeit entirely on their own...
>>
>> In fact, i even have an idea that WILDing actually increases one's
>> overall
>> sense of independence thus obviating any further need for being in a
>> support group altogether.
>>
>> It not being everyone's cup of tea to teach or to hang around in a group
>> of similar minds, many then moving on to pastures new on their own, all
>> thought of support left well and truly behind, something which actually
>> makes perfect sense to me in many ways. So then, what we tend to see
>> here
>> is a high turnover of newbies, with perhaps only one or 3 (myself
>> included) hardcore-types remaining behind to perhaps help others get
>> started too, and/or to maybe discuss/debate future developments and any
>> philosophical-type connotations amongst similarly inquiring minds...
>>
>> So then, i would ask those who manage to WILD to try and teach at least
>> one other person somewhere along the line, either here in this group
>> where
>> newbies abound, or even out there in the world wherever they happen to
>> go,
>> this then obviating/freeing them from any further responsibility, so to
>> speak, and thus also maybe as a gesture of thanks for any help they've
>> perhaps personally received.
>>
>> An old mentor friend of mine once said/suggested to me that: "Each one
>> teach one!" being what what anyone should do with something they may
>> have
>> learned that's of any value, and this still makes perfect sense to me....
>>
>> In which case: good luck to you all you newbies here; you're shorter or
>> longer stay here has hopefully been fun and i hope you've enjoyed
>> yourselves and learned plenty that will stand you all in good stead no
>> matter where you go or what you do next after mastering this incredible
>> ability of ours to WILD. :)
>>
>> With the best of heart-felt luck to you + happy WILDing to all...
>>
>> From slider (brian)
>> Author of 'The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming' (2016 Amazon Press)
>
> I'm surprised you stoop to their level Brian.

### - it's a support group (now with 1,649 members from all over the
planet) for people particularly wanting to learn to WILD, many of whom
have bought my book/seen my videos...

i.e., am merely the first to help people learn to swim in this particular
manner...

plus imho, wont be the last to do so either ;)

### - it's difficult to imagine that the videos were made 2 years ago this
month and that the book itself was published 7 years ago this coming
march? (doesn't time just fly heh)

anyway, in all that time progress has been slow but steady enough,
continual small sales being made now without any more need for
spamming/advertising, although the numbers do indeed rise whenever i post
any articles + links to facebook etc... 6 to 15 sales per month being
fairly average, 60% of them to ebooks...

this being a comment made today on the youtube vids after someone
apparently watched them all:

StrandedDecay Commented On The WILDs Vs. DILD Video: 25th Nov 2021
"What a rare sight, an actual somewhat decent Lucid dreaming guide.
Enjoyed watching it."

***

the videos having now collectively had some 46,821 views between them +
522 subscribers, the facebook WILDs & WILDing group having amassed 1.7k
members in total, as well as WILDs (as a new practice) having become far
more generally popular and a matter of common discussion across a variety
of dreaming groups, the largest of which sports 45,000 members!

and well, it's certainly taken a good while, but it's possible WILDs are
now just about ready to take-off in their own right, as more and more
people are beginning to genuinely look upon them as being a preferable +
far more reliable technique overall...

good eh? :)

new (much tougher) plus in-depth book review just out, that's not quite as
gushing as others (gives it only 4 outta 5 stars for example, aww) but is
nevertheless professionally done by an apparently very experienced OBE-er
& harsh reviewer whose critiqued dozens of similar works + who, in the
final analysis, although slightly biased actually seems to rate it...

cool :)

https://obeoutlook.blogspot.com/2021/11/the-wild-way-to-lucid-dreaming.html?fbclid=IwAR0FoLwrukpgrE0328ejDWamREVbzA0CL2ApkM0WbKNFuIh6HFZChtHLej4

Bob Peterson review 23 November 2021, posted to the obe & astral
projection facebook group with 6.7k members:

The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming

by Slider

Today I'm reviewing The WILD Way To Lucid Dreaming: Waking. Induced.
Lucid. Dreaming. Lucid Dreaming On Demand by Slider. The copyright is 2016.

I normally don't focus on Lucid Dreaming books. After all, I've still got
plenty of astral projection and out-of-body books in my library to hold my
attention. But this book intrigued me, so I had to buy it and read it.

Who is "Slider?" I don't know, but maybe the pen name was taken from the
1995-2000 television show, Sliders, in which a small group of people
travel or "slide" from dimension to dimension, finding adventures and
trying to find their way back home to "our" dimension. Sounds about right.

We all know a lucid dream is a dream in which you're conscious and
completely aware that you're dreaming. It's also a convenient jump-off
point to out-of-body experiences, and therefore isn't out of place in my
blog. If you already know how to induce lucid dreams, click on this link
for an article I wrote about converting lucid dreams into OBEs.

If you're still learning to induce lucid dreams, you should know there are
basically two approaches: DILD (Dream Induced Lucid Dreams) and WILD (Wake
Induced Lucid Dreams).

With DILD you condition yourself and alter your habits so you more easily
discover when you're dreaming, by doing reality checks ("Am I dreaming?"),
reminders, mnemonics, flashing light masks, and other tricks of the trade.

This book is entirely about the WILD approach to lucid dreaming, which is
to induce a lucid dream from the onset of sleep: you consciously choose to
go into the dream, starting from full consciousness and ending up in a
lucid dream.

The book is broken into several parts.

Part 1 is "Theory" which is just the basics: what lucid dreaming is,
degrees of lucidity, why should we do it, etc. Unfortunately, I found this
section somewhat repetitive or tedious. Slider repeats over and over how
WILD is superior to DILD. After all, DILD takes a lot of time and training
to be any good at it, it's hit-or-miss and you have less control. The
larger dreaming community seems to think that WILDs are much harder than
DILDs, but Silder disagrees. He claims WILDs are easier to learn, you can
enter into the lucid dream with your full waking memories, and you have
much more control. But he seems to harp on it just a little. I admire his
enthusiasm but by the end of the section I was getting impatient and ready
for some real substance. This section takes up roughly a third of the book.

Part 2 is "Practice" and this is where the book gets interesting. This is
where Slider explains how to induce a WILD. The first chapter of this
section is titled "Hypnagogia: The Key to WILDs." His technique is very
similar to the out-of-body technique that I favor, and have taught. This
is what makes it relevant to out-of-body experiences. It's so important
I'll quote the book:

"All one really has to do in order to start lucid dreaming, is to learn to
recognise the stages of falling asleep, find this hypnagogia on the way
into it and then treat these hypnagogic images in a very particular way.
Ultimately, it is through hypnagogia that one actually enters into an
altered state at all and lucid dreaming in particular...when you want to
lucid dream, then all you do is to watch that same [hypnagogic] movie show
again, only this time treating those hypnagogic images by examining their
detail in a particular way.
This conscious act of examining a hypnagogic image's finer detail is the
very thing that finally beckons one right into a lucid dream. One is
somehow bodily zoomed in, or rather, pulled into the image itself
resulting in dreams in which one is already awake. Not examining the
details of those images while just letting yourself drift as usual results
in one eventually nodding-off and having very ordinary, non-lucid
dreams... and really that's all there is to it. A simple choice!" (pg.
60-61)

By the way, this is really the only "WILD" lucid dreaming technique Slider
has in the book. Elsewhere he gives some advice for inducing DILDs, but he
plainly states that it's not his focus and there are better books on
DILDing.

Compare this to my favorite OBE technique
Now in my favorite out-of-body technique, for example, the one I teach in
this blog article, I recommend the following:

At some point you will see/hear [hypnagogic] imagery.
Do not get drawn into them.
Do not take interest in them.
Do not pretend "What if" with them.
Maintain conscious awareness.
Take control of an image.
Move the object or spin the object.
Elsewhere I've also said:

At this point the hypnagogic image is likely to dissolve or vanish.
When that happens, just wait patiently for another to appear, then do the
same: take ownership of the image. Tell yourself, "This is my object."
Hypnagogic images at the onset of sleep are more likely to dissolve, but
as you get further into sleep, they should become more stable, realistic,
life-like, and longer-lasting.
If a hypnagogic image is too big or complex to move, spin, or manipulate,
like a soccer stadium packed with people, just take ownership of it and
watch it passively until it disappears, and in a few seconds, the next one
will appear.
In my OBE technique, I imagine a strong force like gravity pulling me
toward the object and out of my body.

So what's the difference?
Slider's WILD technique is indeed very similar to my OBE technique,
although IMHO he doesn't describe it in enough detail. In Slider's
technique, examining the hypnagogic image draws you into the lucid dream
state. Apparently you merge with the hypnagogic imagery and it becomes a
lucid dream. In my technique, the hypnagogic imagery is simply used as a
device to draw you away from the body. Or as I wrote elsewhere, to
"derail" your in-the-body "story of experience." You are not sucked into
the hypnagogic image, its dream elements, its dream setting or its dream
story. You just feel a blur of motion, then usually all motion stops
suddenly and you find yourself lying inside your physical body, fully
conscious and aware, but separate from it. This is usually when the
vibrations come sweeping through your body.

Other advice
Slider also offers some sound advice that applies to both WILDs and OBEs.
For example, he says to relax completely and tweak your body's position to
find a state of complete relaxation, then it's important to not move again.

Here's another sound piece of advice:

"Once you've reached this floating feeling of relaxation, the next step is
to absolutely and deliberately turn your attention completely away from
all any sensations of the body altogether, totally ignoring them. Having
served their purpose they are no longer important. Peer instead at the
blank dark screen you can see just behind your closed eyes. Don't move at
all and hang onto that feeling of lightness or floating and stare at the
darkness that's right there in front of your face until you begin to
notice the odd blob or streak of colour appearing and disappearing at
random." (pg. 65-66)

And later:

"Watching these really clear images for any length of time (a marvelous
experience though it is) always leads to falling away into normal sleep.
On the other hand, if you instead stare at one of them and attempt to
examine the finer details of it, something very strange happens; the
sensation of what can only really be described as a kind of "zooming-in"
-- and then you'll suddenly find yourself in a lucid dreaming state." (pg.
69)

He also says that his technique leads to lucid dreaming "daily."

Levels of Lucidity
The book has an interesting section in which he describes several levels
of lucidity. In each level, lucidity seems to be more difficult to
maintain.

In the first level, the only person in the dream will be you and you alone.
In the second level, you may see some people but usually don't interact
with them.
At level three, lucidity drifts in and out in waves, but you still know
that you're dreaming. You can forget what you were doing and find yourself
drifting off into daydreams, then coming back again.
Level four is a "full lucid dreaming scenario" where anything can happen.
Slider hesitates to call this level 5. He prefers to call it "level zero".
In terms of awareness, it seems to be a middle-ground between waking and
dreaming.
One chapter is devoted to changing dreams. Many lucid dreamers insist you
can consciously manipulate the contents of a lucid dream. Lucid dream
expert Robert Waggoner points out this is often not the case: lucid dreams
often have a mind of their own and defy attempts to change them. Slider
insists lucid dreams are easy to manipulate. If you want to fly, just jump
up and fly. For what it's worth, I can usually manipulate my experience in
lucid dreams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XQb4e4QB0

all of castaneda's writings
real piece of crap
Neil has it nailed, thanx pal

> all of castaneda's writings
> real piece of crap

### - feel better now?

just don't forget to flush haha :D

### - smile, this was published 3 days ago on the 26th as someone else's
slightly different attempt at WILDs via the hypnagogia (see? i told ya
it's catchin' on hehe) :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__H8JAbg7z4

although, imho, this guy isn't quite the full monty nor exactly what he
appears to be?

he's got 'certain' parts of it right for instance, but then flubs it
towards the end somewhat like he doesn't quite know what he's talking
about while mushing-over the important part...

that if he'd ever had a 'genuine' WILD via the hypnagogia then that flub
just wouldn't be there, he'd also know about the midway point (or summat
like it) whereby one can then dream on-demand and at-will for literally as
long as you like etc, nor the stuff at the end re carrying-on trying to
dild as well... so imho this dude hasn't actually experienced a full WILD
or he'd KNOW that, although he may indeed have experienced some
hypnagogia...

either way, he's inspired to do it anyway though! no? :)

and may even end up actually knowing what he's talking about one day
should he have several volitional WILDs to refer to and to correct himself
with, plus it's NOT an advanced technique either!so here's hoping the
series of future video he promises will gradually reveal/debunk that...

so basically then, all we needs NOW is a few dozens MORE peeps promoting
WILDs as well (different approaches are fine as they will likely one day
all condense into something more basic/general etc) with both videos & yes
books too, until the whole subject becomes a talking point + item of
interest more generally! after which the sky's the limit how far they'll
take it all generations down the line... who knows...

all i know for (and in) myself: is that it goes ALL the way, or i wouldn't
have even bothered with it ;)

good eh? :)

### - oh here ya go, he made this one 3-weeks ago! (and pinched my video
title for it to-boot the cheeky fecker! lol) albeit still a little bit
flubbed/unclear imho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOmnePQH3UQ

better though :)

### - this cool comment appeared on the videos today:

milliondollarcharisma (wrote)

I've started to share your guide with new comers. This was the best guide
ever. I can now lay down and have a lucid dream whenever I want. It's so
cool when you start to get it. The dream literally forms in front of your
eyes. My first WILD was of Egypt and also my second. I had them before but
now I know how to induce them at will and being conscious of what I am
doing. I highly suggest doing reality checks as well because you could
transition to your room and not even know your dreaming this happened to
me a lot back in the day.

***

well, with remarks like this from total strangers it looks like my 'work'
here (heh) is very nearly done :)

coz imho it's THESE proficient + enthusiastic practitioners going forward
that will ultimately let everyone ELSE know about this ability we all have
in reserve but never consciously use...

that barring them blowing up the goddamn place in the meantime hah
(there's always the risk of 'em doing that coz they's so 'effing blind,
dumb & greedy) there will now likely come a day when humanity actually
opens its eyes and sees things more as they 'are' - and as such becomes
enabled to guide 'themselves' as opposed to being led into a ditch by the
blind leaders of the blind...

ok, teabreak's over peeps, none of ya's here are ready yet (obviously so
lol) so back under ya's all go haha :)))

### - (smile) just arrived back to this cool comment on the videos, and
about WILDing in general:

Waseem Sultan Commented On The Youtube Videos: 20th March 2022
I have to say was slightly sceptical at first, but after a week of
practice and also trying to embed myself into the hypnogogia (by trying to
really feel that I am in whatever scene appears) i had my first WILD! It
was Insane because it just felt like I had woken up at first, I was in my
bedroom everything seemed normal but then I did a reality test by pinching
my nose and I could breathe! I was like wtf this is insane. Was quickly
booted back to 'reality' after a little bit of flying but it was amazing.
This all happened at the beginning of the night so I agree that science
must be missing a piece of the puzzle re sleep cycles

***

which basically means/implies that: even after only a week in some cases,
anyone persisting with the technique is fairly likely to bump into a full
WILD and thus be left scratching their heads too as to: how can this be??

and the answer's actually fairly simple & straightforward:

the state of WILDing easily occurs because it's something 'everyone'
already uses every day anyway without fail, albeit completely
unconsciously in a process we've all learned to instead call: falling
asleep... scratch the surface of that though and there's a WILDer
underneath every time :)

the simplest explanation being that: there's actually TWO options
available upon activating that sleep-system: in the one we enter into that
state completely unconsciously, and in the other: consciously, and that's
it!

the 'choice' has ALWAYS been ours only no one ever told us about the
second option!?

quite the opposite actually, in that any deviation to passing into
so-called 'normal' (i.e., unconscious) sleep was always actively
discouraged, the person concerned (usually as a child) being repeatedly
told that it was just a bad dream and to forget about it, the total
emphasis always being quite deliberately placed upon the 'unconscious'
option until that was what they eventually achieved!

iow: from a very early age we've apparently learned to continually
'suppress' this second option, until to all extents & purposes it finally
stopped appearing altogether and unconscious sleep became the accepted +
expected norm!

we 'expect' to fall fast asleep... and so, with continual practice, we do!

have/hold a 'different' expectation, however, and something rather amazing
emerges...

a whole new area of activity that people only ever vaguely suspected
existed but which has actually been right at their fingertips all the time
just for the asking/accepting, albeit they've just always unconsciously
held it at-bay!

our friend's (waseem) world-view being literally knocked for a loop after
being confronted with irrefutable proof that the information re
sleep-cycles he'd previously absorbed/accepted, and that were so
convincing, was thus obviously incomplete thus his be-WILD-ered (heh) &
bemused: wft-moment heh :))))

that said (that 'advancement' noted...) can see they's paradoxically just
about to blow the whole goddamn place to smithereens lol... (images of
parts of ukraine now looking like Aleppo=shades of what everywhere's gonna
look like TOO if'n they don't quickly pull the plug on all this crap!?
damn them all to hell!)

meaning: can we please now have some intelligent DIALOGUE between the
parties instead of just: hate-campaigns???

coz ya's KNOW for sure where 'hate' leads to innit: it leads to anger!

and anger leads to?

well, on this planet anyway, anger always leads to everyone kicking the
shit outta each other with bigger & bigger sticks lol...

so ffs PACK IT IN!!!!

i.e., no dialogue=continual escalation... until?

until there's no one left to fucking argue!

until EVERYWHERE looks like freaking ALEPPO!!!

coz THAT's what we're dealing with here!

and now (if you're feelin' lucky, punk) we've ALL gots to ask ourselves
just one question:

do we WANT to live??

THAT'S the FIRST and most important question!

after which we can THEN ask: what has to change (about ourselves) so we
CAN all live!

this being 'precisely' the same situation they faced in south africa that
time, the context differed but the threat of mutual annihilation was
exactly the same!

as a nation they had finally reached the point of no return that their
whole system had inevitably led them to! just as OURS has today!!!

and amazingly (not to mention rather surprisingly) they chose to... live!?

EVEN if that meant fundamentally changing their whole system? (wow)

they did it anyway, went against ALL their former principles & beliefs and
are alive to this day because of their last-moment decision TO live!

and now it's OUR turn to choose huh...

do we WANNA live or not?

change nada and we KNOW what's gonna continue to happen, what's already
been set in-motion!

or... we ALL get round the TABLE and hammer out some NEW deal that allows
us ALL to... LIVE!

perforce there'll be winners & losers in such a big change, change isn't
easy for anyone, but we'll ALL just have to grunt and bear it until we get
USED to living in some more straightforward way, some multicultural
world-society that doesn't always inevitably lead to war because
'everyone' gets a fair/equal share!

yes it's gonna be a LOT of work! a LOT of hard work!

but such work is still better than being... dead??

and coz we're literally writing the future now with every passing hour...

so choose already!

choose to live :)

### - was just rereading some of the (now 61) reviews & comments while
tidying/updating the page etc...

and this one kinda stood out:

Dominik Wolf: In Our WILDs & WILDing Facebook Group: Sept 11th 2020
I just wanted announce my first success. I noticed a very intense feeling
of physically moving forward and a kinda tingly feeling in my head. It
felt like I was accelerating from 0 to 100 km/h in merely 2 seconds.
Suddenly I was standing in very scenery - not as a passive observer
anymore but now I was there. I was in a lucid dream! The transistion from
the hypnagogic state to the lucid dream was extremely sudden. So sudden
indeed, that it was almost startling.Thank you very much (slider) for
making this possible. Let's get the hang of it (just like we had to get
the hang of riding the bike without support wheels) and have lucid dreams
every night. PS: This lucid dream gave me some wonderful side effects: I
have a very intense whole-day euphoria, I feel energized and suddenly the
whole world looks so incredibly beautiful (just if I was seeing my
surroundings from a whole new perspective)

***

iow: it occurs to me that such an initial win of anyone successfully
manipulating their own awareness into the exact right place (in awareness)
in order to be ABLE to WILD, is actually like an initiation ya know?
mainly because from that point on they no longer require any more
instruction and become quite capable of fully guiding & educating...
themselves!

that in a way it's a kinda 'pass-go' and collect the money situation,
after which one then becomes fully empowered to travel/explore (and thus
further expand one's own awareness) at will, as many of these
reviews/comments clearly reveal...

it's a kinda baptism by fire then lol :)))

(slider hurls the next one in by the seat of their pants, remarking: stop
fuckin' about and just get on with it, is always best hehe...) ;)

https://www.thewildway.com/files/reviews.htm

good heh :)