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 by: bfh - Fri, 20 Oct 2023 17:52 UTC

1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
support the denial.
4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
comprehensive reform.
7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
take credit for fixing them.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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 by: George.Anthony - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 14:04 UTC

bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
> support the denial.
> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
> comprehensive reform.
> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
> take credit for fixing them.
>
> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>

That’s how they roll. And lunatics like our resident NAGA dimocrats lap it
up like a thirsty milk drinking cat.

--
One out of three Biden voters is just as clueless as the other two.

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 by: kmiller - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:59 UTC

On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
> support the denial.
> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
> comprehensive reform.
> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
> take credit for fixing them.
>
> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>

All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

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 by: George.Anthony - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:07 UTC

On 10/22/2023 1:59 PM, kmiller wrote:
> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
>> support the denial.
>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>> comprehensive reform.
>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
>> take credit for fixing them.
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>
>
> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
> sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

I want to make sure you resident NAGA dimocrats understand something so
I will say it twice and then I will tell you what I told you. It is NOT
conservatives screwing up the speaker election. It is swamp, i.e.,
"moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. Let me say it again, it is
swamp, i.e., "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. And just to make
sure you pea brain loons understand, what I told you, it is swamp, i.e.,
"moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite.

So, if you want to be critical of the process, in effect it is your
people doing the screwing up. No conservative would even consider
working with NAGA dimocrats to choose a speaker.
--
Thousands of unchecked illegal aliens are crossing the border all the
while I have to get my pecker x-ray'd or get felt up by a TSA agent just
to get on an airplane.

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 by: sticks - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:29 UTC

On 10/22/2023 2:07 PM, George.Anthony wrote:
> On 10/22/2023 1:59 PM, kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
>>> support the denial.
>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>> comprehensive reform.
>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
>>> take credit for fixing them.
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>
>>
>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
>> sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>
> I want to make sure you resident NAGA dimocrats understand something so
> I will say it twice and then I will tell you what I told you. It is NOT
> conservatives screwing up the speaker election. It is swamp, i.e.,
> "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. Let me say it again, it is
> swamp, i.e., "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite. And just to make
> sure you pea brain loons understand, what I told you, it is swamp, i.e.,
> "moderate" republicans or dimocrats lite.
>
> So, if you want to be critical of the process, in effect it is your
> people doing the screwing up. No conservative would even consider
> working with NAGA dimocrats to choose a speaker.

We're starting to understand how fucked up the whole system is, globally!

<https://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2023/10/enjoy-the-show-2455545.html>

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 by: bfh - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 23:31 UTC

kmiller wrote:
> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
>> support the denial.
>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>> comprehensive reform.
>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
>> take credit for fixing them.
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>
>
> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
> sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!

Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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 by: kmiller - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 01:27 UTC

On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
>>> support the denial.
>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>> comprehensive reform.
>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
>>> take credit for fixing them.
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>
>>
>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
>> sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>
> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>

Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

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 by: bfh - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 01:45 UTC

kmiller wrote:
> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>>>> to support the denial.
>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>>> comprehensive reform.
>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
>>>> then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
>>> I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>
>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>
>
> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.

You should have been a politician.

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 by: sticks - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 02:34 UTC

On 10/22/2023 6:31 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" - to
>>> support the denial.
>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>> comprehensive reform.
>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and then
>>> take credit for fixing them.
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>
>>
>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes. I'm
>> sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>
> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?

This guy says the problem is libtards are no longer objective. I don't
really feel that way. They just don't care, as long as they get their
marxist society. He's spot on with everything else.

<https://rumble.com/v3r075t-dude-sums-up-leftists-skewed-perceptions-of-biden-vs-trump-in-under-3-minut.html>

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 by: bfh - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 06:07 UTC

sticks wrote:
> On 10/22/2023 6:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>>>> to support the denial.
>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>>> comprehensive reform.
>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
>>>> then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
>>> I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>
>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>
> This guy says the problem is libtards are no longer objective.  I
> don't really feel that way.  They just don't care, as long as they get
> their marxist society.  He's spot on with everything else.
>
> <https://rumble.com/v3r075t-dude-sums-up-leftists-skewed-perceptions-of-biden-vs-trump-in-under-3-minut.html>
>
That guy talks faster than I can hear.

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 by: bfh - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 01:58 UTC

Technobarbarian wrote:
> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
>> Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
>> Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>> to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
>> decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
>> it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
>> improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
>> caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>
>>
>>
--
>> bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> To listen to you whining you would think the current administration
> had reduced border security. We are actually putting more resources
> into border security now than we have at any other time in your
> life. You might not have noticed this, but there are always limits
> on what congress is willing to spend on the border.

LOL!

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Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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 by: kmiller - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 02:23 UTC

On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>>>>> to support the denial.
>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>>>> comprehensive reform.
>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
>>>>> then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
>>>> I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>
>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>
> You should have been a politician.
>
> October average:
> 137 DL
> 15 UL
> 32 Latency
>

That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely, tremendously,
everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall takes my dishy
offline 'til it passes.

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kmiller wrote:
> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure"
>>>>>> - to support the denial.
>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
>>>>>> it comprehensive reform.
>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
>>>>>> then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>
>> You should have been a politician.
>>
>> October average:
>> 137 DL
>> 15 UL
>> 32 Latency
>>
>
> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely, tremendously,
> everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall takes my dishy
> offline 'til it passes.

In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
matter much. I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or
dense rain clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is
one sat to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12
sats up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the
additional sats up there now have made my evil pine trees
inefficacious as obstructionists.
I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
https://starlink.sx/

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
>>> Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
>>> Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>>> to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
>>> decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
>>> it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
>>> improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
>>> caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>
>>>
>>>

LOL

Bwah Hah Hah, Haw Haw Haw, Snicker Snicker. And all this time I thought you
NAGA dimocrats don’t have a sense of humor.

--
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 by: kmiller - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 23:14 UTC

On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>>>>>>> to support the denial.
>>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call it
>>>>>>> comprehensive reform.
>>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>>>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
>>>>>>> then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House repubes.
>>>>>> I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>>
>>> You should have been a politician.
>>>
>>> October average:
>>> 137 DL
>>> 15 UL
>>> 32 Latency
>>>
>>
>> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely, tremendously,
>> everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall takes my dishy
>> offline 'til it passes.
>
> In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
> matter much.

That's what I used to say.

>I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or
> dense rain clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is
> one sat to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats
> up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
> sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
> obstructionists.
> I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
> https://starlink.sx/
>

I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

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 by: kmiller - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 23:17 UTC

On 10/24/2023 8:43 AM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 6:58:05 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked. 2.
>>>> Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals. 3.
>>>> Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure" -
>>>> to support the denial. 4. If inconvenient questions are asked,
>>>> decline to comment. 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
>>>> it comprehensive reform. 7. Finally, when things start to
>>>> improve, admit that there were problems, but claim that they were
>>>> caused by somebody else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
>>>> bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>>>
>>> To listen to you whining you would think the current administration
>>> had reduced border security. We are actually putting more resources
>>> into border security now than we have at any other time in your
>>> life. You might not have noticed this, but there are always limits
>>> on what congress is willing to spend on the border.
>> LOL!
>> --
>> bill
>> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> If you're interested these guys break down the numbers:
>
> "The Cost of Immigration Enforcement and Border Security"
>
> "The federal government has already met the border security benchmarks laid down in earlier Senate
> immigration reform bills."
>
> "Even with record level spending on enforcement, enforcement alone is not sufficient to address the challenges
> of undocumented migration."
>
> 12 It also has significant unintended consequences; according to U.S. Border Patrol
> statistics, the Southwest border witnesses close to one death per day.
>
> 13 All of these efforts that have
> accumulated in the name of security, however, do not necessarily measure border security properly, or make
> the border more secure.
>
> 14 It is past time for the United States to turn away from costly and haphazard efforts to
> secure the border and instead focus on reining in the costs of border enforcement"
>
> "Since 1993, when the current strategy of concentrated border enforcement was first rolled out along the
> U.S.-Mexico border, the annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased more than ten-fold, from $363
> million to nearly $4.9 billion (Figure 1)."
>
> "Border security depends on the smart and efficient use of available resources. At the same, border enforcement
> cannot and should not be done in isolation. Instead, it must be examined in the larger context of reforms needed
> for the entire immigration system"
>
> https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/the_cost_of_immigration_enforcement_and_border_security.pdf
>
> "Immigration reform"? Oh yeah, that's been on the table for longer than we have been alive. But, it never seems to get done. My favorite was when Saint Ronnie fixed it by giving millions of people amnesty. That was supposed to take care of the problem forever. LOL
>
> TB
>

Once the orange goon decides who's gonna be Speaker for the goonites all
will be copacetic.

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 by: bfh - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 00:37 UTC

kmiller wrote:
> On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
>>>>>>>> secure" - to support the denial.
>>>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
>>>>>>>> it comprehensive reform.
>>>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there
>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody
>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
>>>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>>>
>>>> You should have been a politician.
>>>>
>>>> October average:
>>>> 137 DL
>>>> 15 UL
>>>> 32 Latency
>>>>
>>>
>>> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
>>> tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
>>> takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.
>>
>> In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
>> matter much.
>
> That's what I used to say.

Why don't you still say it?

>> I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
>> clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat
>> to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats up
>> there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
>> sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
>> obstructionists.
>> I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
>> https://starlink.sx/
>>
>
> I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.

When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference
as long as the storms were not to the south. Same is true of my sat
TV. Do you have a history of believing whatever alligators say? Don't
you know that alligators are inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have
any affidavits to support your position from any alligators that are
not involved in a plea deal?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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 by: kmiller - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 01:39 UTC

On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is secure"
>>>>>>>>> - to support the denial.
>>>>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and call
>>>>>>>>> it comprehensive reform.
>>>>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there were
>>>>>>>>> problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody else, and
>>>>>>>>> then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
>>>>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should have been a politician.
>>>>>
>>>>> October average:
>>>>> 137 DL
>>>>> 15 UL
>>>>> 32 Latency
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
>>>> tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
>>>> takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.
>>>
>>> In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
>>> matter much.
>>
>> That's what I used to say.
>
> Why don't you still say it?
>
>>> I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
>>> clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat to
>>> have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats up
>>> there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
>>> sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
>>> obstructionists.
>>> I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
>>> https://starlink.sx/
>>>
>>
>> I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.
>
> When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference as
> long as the storms were not to the south.

Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.
And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.

>Same is true of my sat TV. Do
> you have a history of believing whatever alligators say? Don't you know
> that alligators are inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any
> affidavits to support your position from any alligators that are not
> involved in a plea deal?
>

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kmiller wrote:
> On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
>>>>>>>>>> secure" - to support the denial.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and
>>>>>>>>>> call it comprehensive reform.
>>>>>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there
>>>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody
>>>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
>>>>>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should have been a politician.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> October average:
>>>>>> 137 DL
>>>>>> 15 UL
>>>>>> 32 Latency
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
>>>>> tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
>>>>> takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy -
>>>> doesn't matter much.
>>>
>>> That's what I used to say.
>>
>> Why don't you still say it?
>>
>>>> I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
>>>> clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat
>>>> to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats
>>>> up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the
>>>> additional sats up there now have made my evil pine trees
>>>> inefficacious as obstructionists.
>>>> I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
>>>> https://starlink.sx/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.
>>
>> When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference
>> as long as the storms were not to the south.
>
> Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.

Are you sure? My dishy points NNE. Was it an alligator that told you
which way it was pointing?

> And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.
>
>> Same is true of my sat TV. Do you have a history of believing
>> whatever alligators say? Don't you know that alligators are
>> inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any affidavits to support
>> your position from any alligators that are not involved in a plea deal?
>>
>

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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 by: kmiller - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 14:06 UTC

On 10/25/2023 7:55 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
>>>>>>>>>>> secure" - to support the denial.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and
>>>>>>>>>>> call it comprehensive reform.
>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there
>>>>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody
>>>>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
>>>>>>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should have been a politician.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> October average:
>>>>>>> 137 DL
>>>>>>> 15 UL
>>>>>>> 32 Latency
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
>>>>>> tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy rainfall
>>>>>> takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy - doesn't
>>>>> matter much.
>>>>
>>>> That's what I used to say.
>>>
>>> Why don't you still say it?
>>>
>>>>> I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense rain
>>>>> clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is one sat
>>>>> to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have 8-12 sats up
>>>>> there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all the additional
>>>>> sats up there now have made my evil pine trees inefficacious as
>>>>> obstructionists.
>>>>> I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
>>>>> https://starlink.sx/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.
>>>
>>> When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no difference
>>> as long as the storms were not to the south.
>>
>> Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.
>
> Are you sure? My dishy points NNE. Was it an alligator that told you
> which way it was pointing?
>
>> And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.
>>
>>> Same is true of my sat TV. Do you have a history of believing
>>> whatever alligators say? Don't you know that alligators are
>>> inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any affidavits to support
>>> your position from any alligators that are not involved in a plea deal?
>>>
>>
>
>

Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they can
reach your area which explains your poor performance and misinformation.

Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice. Therefore, to
make a point, we have no pointing alligators.

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kmiller wrote:
> On 10/25/2023 7:55 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 10/25/2023 5:37 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 10/23/2023 7:53 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/22/2023 6:45 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/2023 4:31 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2023 10:52 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Cause problems by reversing policies that mostly worked.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Deny that there are any problems caused by the reversals.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Repeatedly provide altfacts - such as "The border is
>>>>>>>>>>>> secure" - to support the denial.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. If inconvenient questions are asked, decline to comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Request billions to fix the not-problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Implement policies to reverse the policy reversals and
>>>>>>>>>>>> call it comprehensive reform.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Finally, when things start to improve, admit that there
>>>>>>>>>>>> were problems, but claim that they were caused by somebody
>>>>>>>>>>>> else, and then take credit for fixing them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-aid-israel-biden-border-immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All he really had to do was send the problem to the House
>>>>>>>>>>> repubes. I'm sure they'd get around to fixing it. HawHawHaw!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does that mean you implicitly admit there is a problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. There definitely is a problem with the House repubes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You should have been a politician.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> October average:
>>>>>>>> 137 DL
>>>>>>>> 15 UL
>>>>>>>> 32 Latency
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That ain't bad. I learned that a really, really, hugely,
>>>>>>> tremendously, everybody said so even the experts, heavy
>>>>>>> rainfall takes my dishy offline 'til it passes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my experience, local rain itself - no matter how heavy -
>>>>>> doesn't matter much.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I used to say.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you still say it?
>>>>
>>>>>> I allege that for weather to shut me down, t-storms or dense
>>>>>> rain clouds have to cover a wide expanse of sky. All we need is
>>>>>> one sat to have a connection, and these days, I allegedly have
>>>>>> 8-12 sats up there all over the sky most of the time. Also, all
>>>>>> the additional sats up there now have made my evil pine trees
>>>>>> inefficacious as obstructionists.
>>>>>> I further allege that this supports my previous allegations:
>>>>>> https://starlink.sx/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think your alleged allegories got ate by alligators.
>>>>
>>>> When I had Hughesnet (GEO sat), t-storms overhead made no
>>>> difference as long as the storms were not to the south.
>>>
>>> Oh, suuure! Now the qualifiers come out of hiding. My sat points WNW.
>>
>> Are you sure? My dishy points NNE. Was it an alligator that told you
>> which way it was pointing?
>>
>>> And all is good until it rains hard enough to drown your 'gators.
>>>
>>>> Same is true of my sat TV. Do you have a history of believing
>>>> whatever alligators say? Don't you know that alligators are
>>>> inveterate vertebrate liars? Do you have any affidavits to support
>>>> your position from any alligators that are not involved in a plea
>>>> deal?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they can
> reach your area which explains your poor performance and misinformation.
>
> Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice. Therefore,
> to make a point, we have no pointing alligators.

You have my condolences. If an alligator can't point, what good is it?
I allege that you should consider implementing comprehensive reform in
your alligator education system.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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On 10/26/2023 11:19 AM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:

>> Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they can
>> reach your area which explains your poor performance and misinformation.

Ha!

>> Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice. Therefore,
>> to make a point, we have no pointing alligators.
>
> You have my condolences. If an alligator can't point, what good is it? I
> allege that you should consider implementing comprehensive reform in
> your alligator education system.

Shouldn't that be re-education?

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 by: bfh - Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:45 UTC

sticks wrote:
> On 10/26/2023 11:19 AM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>
>>> Yes, I'm sure. Obviously, I'm using the satellites up before they
>>> can reach your area which explains your poor performance and
>>> misinformation.
>
> Ha!
>
>>> Our alligators have been taught that pointing is not nice.
>>> Therefore, to make a point, we have no pointing alligators.
>>
>> You have my condolences. If an alligator can't point, what good is
>> it? I allege that you should consider implementing comprehensive
>> reform in your alligator education system.
>
> Shouldn't that be re-education?
>
I don't know. That would require that I make an unsupported assumption
that they have an AES of any efficaciousness metric at this point in
the passage of time. Besides, you can't re-educate alligators after
they become teenagers. At that point they are what they are and will
be going forward.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

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