The ways history keeps repeating itself is fascinating. Donald
McKay's father, Thomas, was a famous explorer, trapper and trader.
Donald had a significant role in subduing the Indians in the Pacific
Northwest. But, what do you do after the land is all explored and
mapped, and the natives are all subdued? You can always go in the
entertainment business and sell snake-oil. There really is one born
every minute, if not faster.

"There was a time, in the late 1800s, when one of the most popular
medicines in the country was a product painstakingly brewed by members
of the Warm Springs Indian tribe of Central Oregon, using natural
ingredients harvested from the beautiful virgin forests and fruitful
plains of their home hunting grounds.

Or so the manufacturers of ?KA-TON-KA, The Great Indian Medicine? would
have their customers believe.

?The ingredients of Ka-Ton-Ka are all gathered by the Warm Springs
Indians in Oregon and Washington Territory,? exults Page 5 of ?The Warm
Springs Indians and their Medicine,? a 36-page booklet published by the
company in the late 1880s. ?They prepare them in their own peculiar
manner; and no druggist can duplicate that simple Indian preparation.?

No specifics are offered about those ingredients, of course; but each
bottle of Ka-Ton-Ka gives full details about what kind of benefits one
can expect from regularly taking Ka-Ton-Ka: ?A cure for all blood
diseases, stomach and liver difficulties!? it shouts. ?Such as ?
Dyspepsia; Biliousness; Syphilis; Scrofula; Salt Rheum; Erysipelas;
Catarrh; Liver Complaint; Rheumatism; Enlargmement of the Liver; and
Diseases of the Kidneys!?

And, at the bottom, in bold type: ?OREGON INDIAN MEDICINE CO.? ?
followed, in the smallest letters on the entire label, by the line,
?Corry, Pa.? ? the actual city where the stuff was actually made, by the
ton, in a factory.

Ka-Ton-Ka Tonic was, of course, a simple patent medicine, one of
thousands that the country was awash in throughout the late 1800s.
Unlike some others, Ka-Ton-Ka was at least fairly harmless; it was made
with sugar, aloes, baking soda, and booze (it was 20 percent alcohol).
It was one of the most popular patent remedies, sold by traveling
troupes of Native American entertainers at elaborate wild-west shows
staged at small-town community halls and parks all over the rural parts
of the country."
[snip]

https://www.tillamookheadlightherald.com/community_paid/offbeat-oregon-
history-ka-ton-ka-was-oregon-s-own-nationwide-patent-medicine-sensation-
sort/article_da0a039e-024b-11e9-9604-e71ea75b48d7.html

Donald McKay was famous for his role in the Modoc war.

"When the Modoc War began, the Modoc warriors with their wives and
children retreated to the nearby Lava Beds. The War was fought nearly
150 years ago, yet it stands out in American military history as the
most incredible of Indian wars. Captain Jack did not muster more than 60
men throughout the War, but for almost eight months he withstood the
United States Armed Forces that came to number over a 1,000 men
supported by mountain howitzers and coehorn mortars. The Modoc lost only
six men by direct combat while the U.S. Army suffered 45 dead including
General E.R.S. Canby, the only U.S. General to lose his life in an
Indian War. The Modoc War cost the United States government, at its
lowest estimate, of the time half a million dollars; that would be
roughly $8,500,000 in today?s currency. Considering the number of the
enemy, it was probably the costliest Indian war ever fought. In
comparison, the reservation requested by the Modoc on Lost River would
have cost, at most, $10,000 or $180,000 in today?s currency."

https://modocnation.com/history/#:~:text=Canby%2C%20the%20only%20U.S.%
20General,costliest%20Indian%20war%20ever%20fought.

TB

d

Technobarbarian wrote:
>
>
> The ways history keeps repeating itself is fascinating. Donald
> McKay's father, Thomas, was a famous explorer, trapper and trader.
> Donald had a significant role in subduing the Indians in the Pacific
> Northwest. But, what do you do after the land is all explored and
> mapped, and the natives are all subdued? You can always go in the
> entertainment business and sell snake-oil. There really is one born
> every minute, if not faster.
>
> "There was a time, in the late 1800s, when one of the most popular
> medicines in the country was a product painstakingly brewed by members
> of the Warm Springs Indian tribe of Central Oregon, using natural
> ingredients harvested from the beautiful virgin forests and fruitful
> plains of their home hunting grounds.
>
> Or so the manufacturers of ?KA-TON-KA, The Great Indian Medicine? would
> have their customers believe.
>
> ?The ingredients of Ka-Ton-Ka are all gathered by the Warm Springs
> Indians in Oregon and Washington Territory,? exults Page 5 of ?The Warm
> Springs Indians and their Medicine,? a 36-page booklet published by the
> company in the late 1880s. ?They prepare them in their own peculiar
> manner; and no druggist can duplicate that simple Indian preparation.?
>
> No specifics are offered about those ingredients, of course; but each
> bottle of Ka-Ton-Ka gives full details about what kind of benefits one
> can expect from regularly taking Ka-Ton-Ka: ?A cure for all blood
> diseases, stomach and liver difficulties!? it shouts. ?Such as ?
> Dyspepsia; Biliousness; Syphilis; Scrofula; Salt Rheum; Erysipelas;
> Catarrh; Liver Complaint; Rheumatism; Enlargmement of the Liver; and
> Diseases of the Kidneys!?

If the stuff actually works, we ought to force feed it to all the
scrofulous people on the streets, in prison, and in government.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

In article <aNWnN.39970$Vrtf.6357@fx39.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>
> Technobarbarian wrote:
> >
> >
> > The ways history keeps repeating itself is fascinating. Donald
> > McKay's father, Thomas, was a famous explorer, trapper and trader.
> > Donald had a significant role in subduing the Indians in the Pacific
> > Northwest. But, what do you do after the land is all explored and
> > mapped, and the natives are all subdued? You can always go in the
> > entertainment business and sell snake-oil. There really is one born
> > every minute, if not faster.
> >
> > "There was a time, in the late 1800s, when one of the most popular
> > medicines in the country was a product painstakingly brewed by members
> > of the Warm Springs Indian tribe of Central Oregon, using natural
> > ingredients harvested from the beautiful virgin forests and fruitful
> > plains of their home hunting grounds.
> >
> > Or so the manufacturers of ?KA-TON-KA, The Great Indian Medicine? would
> > have their customers believe.
> >
> > ?The ingredients of Ka-Ton-Ka are all gathered by the Warm Springs
> > Indians in Oregon and Washington Territory,? exults Page 5 of ?The Warm
> > Springs Indians and their Medicine,? a 36-page booklet published by the
> > company in the late 1880s. ?They prepare them in their own peculiar
> > manner; and no druggist can duplicate that simple Indian preparation.?
> >
> > No specifics are offered about those ingredients, of course; but each
> > bottle of Ka-Ton-Ka gives full details about what kind of benefits one
> > can expect from regularly taking Ka-Ton-Ka: ?A cure for all blood
> > diseases, stomach and liver difficulties!? it shouts. ?Such as ?
> > Dyspepsia; Biliousness; Syphilis; Scrofula; Salt Rheum; Erysipelas;
> > Catarrh; Liver Complaint; Rheumatism; Enlargmement of the Liver; and
> > Diseases of the Kidneys!?
>
> If the stuff actually works, we ought to force feed it to all the
> scrofulous people on the streets, in prison, and in government.

It works wonderfully. It did exactly what it was designed to do. It
seperated people from their money paninlessly. One of the reports I read
said that when the "colonel", who founded the Oregon Indiand Medicine
Company, got older and his joints got creaky, people asked him why he
didn't use Ka-Ton-Ka. He told them that stuff wasn't for drinking. It
was for selling.

"The more things change, the more they stay the same."

BTW, in all the talk about snake-oil I forgot to mention that when
he got sick, instead of snake-oil, #45 headed straight to the best that
modern "main-stream" medicine had to offer, and he seriously needed it.
"What have you got to lose?" lol

TB

On 1/11/2024 12:20 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> In article <aNWnN.39970$Vrtf.6357@fx39.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>>
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The ways history keeps repeating itself is fascinating. Donald
>>> McKay's father, Thomas, was a famous explorer, trapper and trader.
>>> Donald had a significant role in subduing the Indians in the Pacific
>>> Northwest. But, what do you do after the land is all explored and
>>> mapped, and the natives are all subdued? You can always go in the
>>> entertainment business and sell snake-oil. There really is one born
>>> every minute, if not faster.
>>>
>>> "There was a time, in the late 1800s, when one of the most popular
>>> medicines in the country was a product painstakingly brewed by members
>>> of the Warm Springs Indian tribe of Central Oregon, using natural
>>> ingredients harvested from the beautiful virgin forests and fruitful
>>> plains of their home hunting grounds.
>>>
>>> Or so the manufacturers of ?KA-TON-KA, The Great Indian Medicine? would
>>> have their customers believe.
>>>
>>> ?The ingredients of Ka-Ton-Ka are all gathered by the Warm Springs
>>> Indians in Oregon and Washington Territory,? exults Page 5 of ?The Warm
>>> Springs Indians and their Medicine,? a 36-page booklet published by the
>>> company in the late 1880s. ?They prepare them in their own peculiar
>>> manner; and no druggist can duplicate that simple Indian preparation.?
>>>
>>> No specifics are offered about those ingredients, of course; but each
>>> bottle of Ka-Ton-Ka gives full details about what kind of benefits one
>>> can expect from regularly taking Ka-Ton-Ka: ?A cure for all blood
>>> diseases, stomach and liver difficulties!? it shouts. ?Such as ?
>>> Dyspepsia; Biliousness; Syphilis; Scrofula; Salt Rheum; Erysipelas;
>>> Catarrh; Liver Complaint; Rheumatism; Enlargmement of the Liver; and
>>> Diseases of the Kidneys!?
>>
>> If the stuff actually works, we ought to force feed it to all the
>> scrofulous people on the streets, in prison, and in government.
>
> It works wonderfully. It did exactly what it was designed to do. It
> seperated people from their money paninlessly. One of the reports I read
> said that when the "colonel", who founded the Oregon Indiand Medicine
> Company, got older and his joints got creaky, people asked him why he
> didn't use Ka-Ton-Ka. He told them that stuff wasn't for drinking. It
> was for selling.
>
> "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
>
> BTW, in all the talk about snake-oil I forgot to mention that when
> he got sick, instead of snake-oil, #45 headed straight to the best that
> modern "main-stream" medicine had to offer, and he seriously needed it.
> "What have you got to lose?" lol
>
> TB

Isn't he the one who also got his covid shot in secret? HawHawHaw!

kmiller wrote:
> On 1/11/2024 12:20 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>> In article <aNWnN.39970$Vrtf.6357@fx39.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>>>
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      The ways history keeps repeating itself is fascinating. Donald
>>>> McKay's father, Thomas, was a famous explorer, trapper and trader.
>>>> Donald had a significant role in subduing the Indians in the Pacific
>>>> Northwest. But, what do you do after the land is all explored and
>>>> mapped, and the natives are all subdued? You can always go in the
>>>> entertainment business and sell snake-oil. There really is one born
>>>> every minute, if not faster.
>>>>
>>>> "There was a time, in the late 1800s, when one of the most popular
>>>> medicines in the country was a product painstakingly brewed by
>>>> members
>>>> of the Warm Springs Indian tribe of Central Oregon, using natural
>>>> ingredients harvested from the beautiful virgin forests and fruitful
>>>> plains of their home hunting grounds.
>>>>
>>>> Or so the manufacturers of ?KA-TON-KA, The Great Indian Medicine?
>>>> would
>>>> have their customers believe.
>>>>
>>>> ?The ingredients of Ka-Ton-Ka are all gathered by the Warm Springs
>>>> Indians in Oregon and Washington Territory,? exults Page 5 of ?The
>>>> Warm
>>>> Springs Indians and their Medicine,? a 36-page booklet published
>>>> by the
>>>> company in the late 1880s. ?They prepare them in their own peculiar
>>>> manner; and no druggist can duplicate that simple Indian
>>>> preparation.?
>>>>
>>>> No specifics are offered about those ingredients, of course; but each
>>>> bottle of Ka-Ton-Ka gives full details about what kind of benefits
>>>> one
>>>> can expect from regularly taking Ka-Ton-Ka: ?A cure for all blood
>>>> diseases, stomach and liver difficulties!? it shouts. ?Such as ?
>>>> Dyspepsia; Biliousness; Syphilis; Scrofula; Salt Rheum; Erysipelas;
>>>> Catarrh; Liver Complaint; Rheumatism; Enlargmement of the Liver; and
>>>> Diseases of the Kidneys!?
>>>
>>> If the stuff actually works, we ought to force feed it to all the
>>> scrofulous people on the streets, in prison, and in government.
>>
>>       It works wonderfully. It did exactly what it was designed to
>> do. It
>> seperated people from their money paninlessly. One of the reports I
>> read
>> said that when the "colonel", who founded the Oregon Indiand Medicine
>> Company, got older and his joints got creaky, people asked him why he
>> didn't use Ka-Ton-Ka. He told them that stuff wasn't for drinking. It
>> was for selling.
>>
>> "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
>>
>>       BTW, in all the talk about snake-oil I forgot to mention that
>> when
>> he got sick, instead of snake-oil, #45 headed straight to the best that
>> modern "main-stream" medicine had to offer, and he seriously needed it.
>> "What have you got to lose?" lol
>>
>> TB
>
> Isn't he the one who also got his covid shot in secret? HawHawHaw!

When the Walmart receipt checker asked me if I just got a covid shot,
I said, "No comment, Buster". He took my picture anyway, because he
saw blood dripping off my elbow.
Download Mbps
934.64
Upload Mbps
513.43
Ping ms 11

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

In article <Ut3oN.180839$7sbb.14938@fx16.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
> When the Walmart receipt checker asked me if I just got a covid shot,
> I said, "No comment, Buster". He took my picture anyway, because he
> saw blood dripping off my elbow.
> Download Mbps
> 934.64
> Upload Mbps
> 513.43
> Ping ms 11
>

This means you have a record at Wally World now. Someone had to
clean up a bio-hazard and they're required to file an incident report,
in case there are any "complications" later on.

TB

Technobarbarian wrote:
> In article <Ut3oN.180839$7sbb.14938@fx16.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>> When the Walmart receipt checker asked me if I just got a covid shot,
>> I said, "No comment, Buster". He took my picture anyway, because he
>> saw blood dripping off my elbow.
>> Download Mbps
>> 934.64
>> Upload Mbps
>> 513.43
>> Ping ms 11
>>
>
> This means you have a record at Wally World now. Someone had to
> clean up a bio-hazard and they're required to file an incident report,
> in case there are any "complications" later on.

I know. It literally sucks. Some Democrat will probably get infected
with my blood, become a Republican, and then the DOJ will throw
election interference spaghetti at me.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

In article <yMgoN.181348$7sbb.178096@fx16.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>
> Technobarbarian wrote:
> > In article <Ut3oN.180839$7sbb.14938@fx16.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
> >> When the Walmart receipt checker asked me if I just got a covid shot,
> >> I said, "No comment, Buster". He took my picture anyway, because he
> >> saw blood dripping off my elbow.
> >> Download Mbps
> >> 934.64
> >> Upload Mbps
> >> 513.43
> >> Ping ms 11
> >>
> >
> > This means you have a record at Wally World now. Someone had to
> > clean up a bio-hazard and they're required to file an incident report,
> > in case there are any "complications" later on.
>
> I know. It literally sucks. Some Democrat will probably get infected
> with my blood, become a Republican, and then the DOJ will throw
> election interference spaghetti at me.

That is likely to be your best case scenario, depending on what you
were: thinking, doing or saying at that time. Think about it. What if
you were shouting something about Jewish people or "towel heads"? At
best you could be charged with a hate crime. Maybe even domestic
terrorism. Now that you have a record I would suggest that you watch
what you say when you go to Wally World.

I seldom go to Walmart these days. I just have them deliver stuff.
It feels a little like people are coming to my door and leaving
offerings at a small minor temple. They always send me pictures of what
they left. We have a big snow storm scheduled for tomorrow. The soonest
I can get anything delivered from them right now is next Wednesday,
after the storm is over and temperatures have returned to normal.

TB

Technobarbarian wrote:
> In article <yMgoN.181348$7sbb.178096@fx16.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>>
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>> In article <Ut3oN.180839$7sbb.14938@fx16.iad>, redydog@rye.net says...
>>>> When the Walmart receipt checker asked me if I just got a covid shot,
>>>> I said, "No comment, Buster". He took my picture anyway, because he
>>>> saw blood dripping off my elbow.
>>>> Download Mbps
>>>> 934.64
>>>> Upload Mbps
>>>> 513.43
>>>> Ping ms 11
>>>>
>>>
>>> This means you have a record at Wally World now. Someone had to
>>> clean up a bio-hazard and they're required to file an incident report,
>>> in case there are any "complications" later on.
>>
>> I know. It literally sucks. Some Democrat will probably get infected
>> with my blood, become a Republican, and then the DOJ will throw
>> election interference spaghetti at me.
>
> That is likely to be your best case scenario, depending on what you
> were: thinking, doing or saying at that time. Think about it. What if
> you were shouting something about Jewish people or "towel heads"? At
> best you could be charged with a hate crime. Maybe even domestic
> terrorism. Now that you have a record I would suggest that you watch
> what you say when you go to Wally World.

We don't need no steenkin' what ifs. I told you what I said. With a
little effort, I'm sure you can find some racism or bigotry or
something in "Buster" without sinking to deploying pathetic what ifs.

> I seldom go to Walmart these days. I just have them deliver stuff.
> It feels a little like people are coming to my door and leaving
> offerings at a small minor temple. They always send me pictures of what
> they left. We have a big snow storm scheduled for tomorrow. The soonest
> I can get anything delivered from them right now is next Wednesday,
> after the storm is over and temperatures have returned to normal.
>
> TB
>

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.