USA przystapia do negocjacji z Putyniem!

Czy uda sie Putyniowi wynegocjowac wycofanie
sie NATO z Polski, ...czas pokaze.

Za New York Times'em:

Russia Lays Out Demands for a Sweeping New Security Deal With NATO

The proposal, coming as Moscow masses troops on the border with Ukraine, would establish a Cold War-like security arrangement in Eastern Europe that NATO officials immediately rejected.

KYIV, Ukraine — Russia demanded on Friday that the United States and its allies halt all military activity in Eastern Europe and Central Asia in a sweeping proposal that would establish a Cold War-like security arrangement, posing a challenge to diplomatic efforts to defuse Russia’s growing military threat to Ukraine.

The Russian proposal — immediately dismissed by NATO officials — came in the form of a draft treaty suggesting NATO should offer written guarantees that it would not expand farther east toward Russia and halt all military activities in the former Soviet republics, a vast swath of now-independent states extending from Eastern Europe to Central Asia.

The proposals codified a series of demands floated in various forms in recent weeks by Russian officials, including by President Vladimir V. Putin in a video call with President Biden. They represent in startling clarity goals long sought by Mr. Putin, who analysts say is growing increasingly concerned that Ukraine is drifting irretrievably into a Western orbit, posing a grave threat to Russian security.

The demands also reinforced the notion that Mr. Putin seemed willing to take ever-greater risks to force the West to take Russian security concerns seriously and to address historical grievances largely ignored for decades.

Russia’s deputy foreign minister, Sergei A. Ryabkov, laid out details about the proposal in public for the first time on Friday in a video news conference in Moscow, amid a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine’s border that Western officials have interpreted as a threat of an invasion.

The demands went far beyond the current conflict between Ukrainian government forces and Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. And most were directed not at Ukraine, which is threatened by the troop buildup, but at the United States and Ukraine’s other Western allies.

They included a request for a NATO commitment that it would not offer membership to Ukraine specifically. But NATO officials emphasized that NATO countries will not rule out future membership for any Eastern European countries, including Ukraine.

The proposal highlighted starkly differing views in the United States and Russia on the military tensions over Ukraine (...)

Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s national security adviser, said in Washington on Friday that while the Russians had a list of security concerns, so did the United States and its European allies, and that Washington was willing to negotiate on that basis (...)

The Russian proposal took the form of two draft treaties, one with NATO and the other with the United States.

“Member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization accept the obligation to exclude farther expansion of NATO to Ukraine and other states,” the text suggested. In demanding the written guarantee from NATO, Mr. Putin and other Russian officials have reached into early post-Cold War history, describing what they see as a betrayal by the West in 1990.

They assert that NATO expanded to the east despite a spoken assurance from James Baker, then the secretary of state, to the Soviet leader, Mikhail S. Gorbachev, that it would not.

The agreement was never put in writing and Mr. Baker said later that Russian officials misinterpreted his comment, which applied only to the territory of the former East Germany. Mr. Gorbachev has, in interviews, confirmed that spoken assurance came in discussions only of East Germany.

The new Russian proposal surfaced other historical grievances.

It demanded that NATO withdraw military infrastructure placed in Eastern European states after 1997, the date of an accord signed between Russia and NATO that Moscow wants now as a starting point for a new security treaty (....)

Russia is also insisting that NATO countries do not deploy offensive weapons in states neighboring Russia, including countries not in the alliance — a reference to Ukraine. And the proposal suggested a ban on military exercises at strengths of more than a brigade in a zone along both sides of Russia’s western border, an issue that would address the current military buildup near Ukraine (...)

Mr. Ryabkov, the Russian diplomat, said Moscow was open to “reasonable” compromises. But he also suggested the Kremlin has assessed the United States’ power as waning and that a new accord is justified (...)

Mr. Putin has come close to openly acknowledging that he is using military force to coerce the West to negotiate, though his spokesman has denied this.. Mr. Putin has said Western countries were realizing Russia was serious about defending “red lines” related to NATO forces near its borders.

“Our recent warnings have indeed been heard and are having a certain effect,” he told a gathering of Russian diplomats in November. “Tensions have risen.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/17/world/europe/russia-nato-security-deal.html

On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 12:50:49 UTC+1, Basia wrote:
> USA przystapia do negocjacji z Putyniem!
>
> Czy uda sie Putyniowi wynegocjowac wycofanie
> sie NATO z Polski, ...czas pokaze.
>
> Za New York Times'em:
>
> Russia Lays Out Demands for a Sweeping New Security Deal With NATO
>
> The proposal, coming as Moscow masses troops on the border with Ukraine, would establish a Cold War-like security arrangement in Eastern Europe that NATO officials immediately rejected.
>
> KYIV, Ukraine — Russia demanded on Friday that the United States and its allies halt all military activity in Eastern Europe and Central Asia in a sweeping proposal that would establish a Cold War-like security arrangement, posing a challenge to diplomatic efforts to defuse Russia’s growing military threat to Ukraine.
>
> The Russian proposal — immediately dismissed by NATO officials — came in the form of a draft treaty suggesting NATO should offer written guarantees that it would not expand farther east toward Russia and halt all military activities in the former Soviet republics, a vast swath of now-independent states extending from Eastern Europe to Central Asia.
>
> The proposals codified a series of demands floated in various forms in recent weeks by Russian officials, including by President Vladimir V. Putin in a video call with President Biden. They represent in startling clarity goals long sought by Mr. Putin, who analysts say is growing increasingly concerned that Ukraine is drifting irretrievably into a Western orbit, posing a grave threat to Russian security.
>
> The demands also reinforced the notion that Mr. Putin seemed willing to take ever-greater risks to force the West to take Russian security concerns seriously and to address historical grievances largely ignored for decades.
>
> Russia’s deputy foreign minister, Sergei A. Ryabkov, laid out details about the proposal in public for the first time on Friday in a video news conference in Moscow, amid a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine’s border that Western officials have interpreted as a threat of an invasion.
>
> The demands went far beyond the current conflict between Ukrainian government forces and Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. And most were directed not at Ukraine, which is threatened by the troop buildup, but at the United States and Ukraine’s other Western allies.
>
> They included a request for a NATO commitment that it would not offer membership to Ukraine specifically. But NATO officials emphasized that NATO countries will not rule out future membership for any Eastern European countries, including Ukraine.
>
> The proposal highlighted starkly differing views in the United States and Russia on the military tensions over Ukraine (...)
>
> Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s national security adviser, said in Washington on Friday that while the Russians had a list of security concerns, so did the United States and its European allies, and that Washington was willing to negotiate on that basis (...)
>
> The Russian proposal took the form of two draft treaties, one with NATO and the other with the United States.
>
> “Member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization accept the obligation to exclude farther expansion of NATO to Ukraine and other states,” the text suggested. In demanding the written guarantee from NATO, Mr. Putin and other Russian officials have reached into early post-Cold War history, describing what they see as a betrayal by the West in 1990.
>
> They assert that NATO expanded to the east despite a spoken assurance from James Baker, then the secretary of state, to the Soviet leader, Mikhail S.. Gorbachev, that it would not.
>
> The agreement was never put in writing and Mr. Baker said later that Russian officials misinterpreted his comment, which applied only to the territory of the former East Germany. Mr. Gorbachev has, in interviews, confirmed that spoken assurance came in discussions only of East Germany.
>
> The new Russian proposal surfaced other historical grievances.
>
> It demanded that NATO withdraw military infrastructure placed in Eastern European states after 1997, the date of an accord signed between Russia and NATO that Moscow wants now as a starting point for a new security treaty (....)
>
> Russia is also insisting that NATO countries do not deploy offensive weapons in states neighboring Russia, including countries not in the alliance — a reference to Ukraine. And the proposal suggested a ban on military exercises at strengths of more than a brigade in a zone along both sides of Russia’s western border, an issue that would address the current military buildup near Ukraine (...)
>
> Mr. Ryabkov, the Russian diplomat, said Moscow was open to “reasonable” compromises. But he also suggested the Kremlin has assessed the United States’ power as waning and that a new accord is justified (...)
>
> Mr. Putin has come close to openly acknowledging that he is using military force to coerce the West to negotiate, though his spokesman has denied this. Mr. Putin has said Western countries were realizing Russia was serious about defending “red lines” related to NATO forces near its borders.
>
> “Our recent warnings have indeed been heard and are having a certain effect,” he told a gathering of Russian diplomats in November. “Tensions have risen.”
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/17/world/europe/russia-nato-security-deal..html
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THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Earlier this week, I came into possession of
Information from a former colleague during my years handling National
Security Intelligence with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. I began
quietly efforting to verify that information. I apparently struck a nerve.
This morning, two government helicopters buzzed my house about five times on
fly-by's at less than 500 feet altitude.

The information given to me was no big deal based on its content, the
movement of tanks, but what it PROVES is a gigantic deal. It now appears
that actual, kinetic, war, with Russia, will commence very soon. Perhaps
before Christmas.

The information that follows should not be shared with the general public so
as not to cause a panic. It is made available to subscribers to this site
because THEY make this endeavor possible. As such, they get information
that the general public does not, so that THEY can take action to protect
themselves and their families as best they can given the severity of this
information. We've got REAL trouble coming. Fast.

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On December 10, Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs publicly made
statements to NATO about Russia's security concerns. (Story HERE)

The Russians wanted cast Iron assurances from United States that Ukraine
will never, ever, be admitted in to NATO.

Also Georgia.

The Russians believe it is going too far. And say they will be forced to to
act if their demands are rejected.

About eight hours later, they were rebuffed by Stoltenberg at NATO who
answered them flatly with "no." NATO will not meet Russia's security
demands.

Three days later, the Russian Foreign Ministry sent a re-issued version of
those same demands to NATO, only this time, they contained a Date-Certain.
If Russia's security demands were NOT agreed to by a date-certain, Russia
would address those concerns using military force.

Russia sent this re-issuance via Hand-Delivery, by Russian Government
Diplomatic Staff. The document copies were hand-delivered to all NATO
primary Executives, such as Biden at the White House and Boris Johnson at
#10 Downing Street; all delivered by hand, by Russian Diplomatic staff.

Today, NATO's Jen Stoltenberg issued a formal reply to Russia on behalf of
all NATO Members. "Russia's demand for security assurances from NATO, and
other demands, are rejected."

Stoltenberg just confirmed that Ukraine and Georgia will be admitted in to
NATO in the near future.

Now, the information the government found out that I obtained, and does not
want me revealing:

Already, military assets are being moved in to place as I write this.

US is deploying F-15s in to Romania.

Aircraft Carrier Strike Group on the move through the Mediterranean.

US/NATO Troops are being moved in to eastern Europe.

Three weeks ago, very, VERY, quietly, the US began loading M1A1 and M1A2
Abrams Tanks onto Roll-On Roll-Off (RO-RO) vessels in the United States. It
took about a week for the first of those ships to transit to Greece. Upon
arrival, the tanks were unloaded.

In the past two weeks, the United States has sent slightly more than 1,000
M1A1 or A2 Abrams tanks to southeastern Europe.

On Saturday, 18 December 2021 at 12:50:49 UTC+1, Basia wrote:
> USA przystapia do negocjacji z Putyniem!
>
> Czy uda sie Putyniowi wynegocjowac wycofanie
> sie NATO z Polski, ...czas pokaze.
>
> Za New York Times'em:
>
> Russia Lays Out Demands for a Sweeping New Security Deal With NATO
>
> The proposal, coming as Moscow masses troops on the border with Ukraine, would establish a Cold War-like security arrangement in Eastern Europe that NATO officials immediately rejected.
>
> KYIV, Ukraine — Russia demanded on Friday that the United States and its allies halt all military activity in Eastern Europe and Central Asia in a sweeping proposal that would establish a Cold War-like security arrangement, posing a challenge to diplomatic efforts to defuse Russia’s growing military threat to Ukraine.
>
> The Russian proposal — immediately dismissed by NATO officials — came in the form of a draft treaty suggesting NATO should offer written guarantees that it would not expand farther east toward Russia and halt all military activities in the former Soviet republics, a vast swath of now-independent states extending from Eastern Europe to Central Asia.
>
> The proposals codified a series of demands floated in various forms in recent weeks by Russian officials, including by President Vladimir V. Putin in a video call with President Biden. They represent in startling clarity goals long sought by Mr. Putin, who analysts say is growing increasingly concerned that Ukraine is drifting irretrievably into a Western orbit, posing a grave threat to Russian security.
>
> The demands also reinforced the notion that Mr. Putin seemed willing to take ever-greater risks to force the West to take Russian security concerns seriously and to address historical grievances largely ignored for decades.
>
> Russia’s deputy foreign minister, Sergei A. Ryabkov, laid out details about the proposal in public for the first time on Friday in a video news conference in Moscow, amid a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine’s border that Western officials have interpreted as a threat of an invasion.
>
> The demands went far beyond the current conflict between Ukrainian government forces and Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. And most were directed not at Ukraine, which is threatened by the troop buildup, but at the United States and Ukraine’s other Western allies.
>
> They included a request for a NATO commitment that it would not offer membership to Ukraine specifically. But NATO officials emphasized that NATO countries will not rule out future membership for any Eastern European countries, including Ukraine.
>
> The proposal highlighted starkly differing views in the United States and Russia on the military tensions over Ukraine (...)
>
> Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s national security adviser, said in Washington on Friday that while the Russians had a list of security concerns, so did the United States and its European allies, and that Washington was willing to negotiate on that basis (...)
>
> The Russian proposal took the form of two draft treaties, one with NATO and the other with the United States.
>
> “Member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization accept the obligation to exclude farther expansion of NATO to Ukraine and other states,” the text suggested. In demanding the written guarantee from NATO, Mr. Putin and other Russian officials have reached into early post-Cold War history, describing what they see as a betrayal by the West in 1990.
>
> They assert that NATO expanded to the east despite a spoken assurance from James Baker, then the secretary of state, to the Soviet leader, Mikhail S.. Gorbachev, that it would not.
>
> The agreement was never put in writing and Mr. Baker said later that Russian officials misinterpreted his comment, which applied only to the territory of the former East Germany. Mr. Gorbachev has, in interviews, confirmed that spoken assurance came in discussions only of East Germany.
>
> The new Russian proposal surfaced other historical grievances.
>
> It demanded that NATO withdraw military infrastructure placed in Eastern European states after 1997, the date of an accord signed between Russia and NATO that Moscow wants now as a starting point for a new security treaty (....)
>
> Russia is also insisting that NATO countries do not deploy offensive weapons in states neighboring Russia, including countries not in the alliance — a reference to Ukraine. And the proposal suggested a ban on military exercises at strengths of more than a brigade in a zone along both sides of Russia’s western border, an issue that would address the current military buildup near Ukraine (...)
>
> Mr. Ryabkov, the Russian diplomat, said Moscow was open to “reasonable” compromises. But he also suggested the Kremlin has assessed the United States’ power as waning and that a new accord is justified (...)
>
> Mr. Putin has come close to openly acknowledging that he is using military force to coerce the West to negotiate, though his spokesman has denied this. Mr. Putin has said Western countries were realizing Russia was serious about defending “red lines” related to NATO forces near its borders.
>
> “Our recent warnings have indeed been heard and are having a certain effect,” he told a gathering of Russian diplomats in November. “Tensions have risen.”
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/17/world/europe/russia-nato-security-deal..html
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On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 3:50:49 AM UTC-8, Basia wrote:

> USA przystapia do negocjacji z Putyniem!
>
> Czy uda sie Putyniowi wynegocjowac wycofanie
> sie NATO z Polski, ...czas pokaze.

Putyn stawia 'ultimata' wymusza natychmiastowe
negocjacyjne rozmowy a media w USA w naglowkach
gazet "informuja" publike ze Rosja przystapi do
amerykanskich rozmow o bezpieczenstwie.

Za Yahoo i z Fox News:

Russia will engage in US security talks as tensions escalate over Ukraine
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-engage-us-security-talks-185448794.html

Basia

On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 4:27:12 PM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
> On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 3:50:49 AM UTC-8, Basia wrote:
>
> > USA przystapia do negocjacji z Putyniem!
> >
> > Czy uda sie Putyniowi wynegocjowac wycofanie
> > sie NATO z Polski, ...czas pokaze.
> Putyn stawia 'ultimata' wymusza natychmiastowe
> negocjacyjne rozmowy a media w USA w naglowkach
> gazet "informuja" publike ze Rosja przystapi do
> amerykanskich rozmow o bezpieczenstwie.
>
> Za Yahoo i z Fox News:
>
> Russia will engage in US security talks as tensions escalate over Ukraine
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-engage-us-security-talks-185448794.html

Dodam ze przecietny amerykanski czytelnik
internetowych news-mediow skanuje aby
naglowki i tytuly artykulow traktujacych o
miedzynarodowej polityce zwlaszcza dotyczace
odleglych zakatkow swiata, Europy, Ukrainy,
ktorej wiekszosc czytajacych mialo by ogromny
problem zlokalizowac na mapie swiata.

Basia