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* UkraineTiglath
+- Re: UkrainePeter Jason
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|`* Re: UkrainePeter Jason
| `* Re: UkraineThe Horny Goat
|  `* Re: UkrainePeter Jason
|   +* Re: Ukrainea425couple
|   |+* Re: UkraineThe Horny Goat
|   ||`* Re: Ukrainea425couple
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|   |`* Re: UkrainePeter Jason
|   | +* Re: Ukraine - not comparable to the Levant!a425couple
|   | |+* Re: Ukraine - not comparable to the Levant!The Horny Goat
|   | ||`* Re: Ukraine - not comparable - into early days USSR aida425couple
|   | || `- Re: Ukraine - not comparable - into early days USSR aidPeter Jason
|   | |`* Re: Ukraine - not comparable to the Levant!Ed Stasiak
|   | | `* Re: Ukraine - not comparable to the Levant!a425couple
|   | |  `- Re: Ukraine - not comparable to the Levant!The Horny Goat
|   | +* Re: Ukraine - and a raid to dismantle a ticking time bomba425couple
|   | |`- Re: Ukraine - and a raid to dismantle a ticking time bombPeter Jason
|   | `- Re: UkraineThe Horny Goat
|   `- Re: UkraineThe Horny Goat
+* Re: UkraineTiglath
|`* Re: UkraineEd Stasiak
| `* Re: UkraineTiglath
|  `- Re: UkraineTiglath
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 by: Tiglath - Sun, 19 Mar 2023 19:10 UTC

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:39:54 AM UTC-4, Tiglath wrote:
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:21:24 AM UTC-5, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > > Tiglath
> > >
> > > Instead, Biden dithers. Aid is inadequate in time and scale to win. He lies.
> > Biden isn't lying, at least not knowingly, the guy is straight-up senile and simply says
> > what his nurses tell him to say.
> >
> > But I was listening to NPR earlier in the week and they said the Biden administration
> > was imposing some more sanctions on Russia and I was wondering why EVERYTHING
> > hadn't been sanctioned already?
> >
> > Of course the answer is Wall Street doesn't want these sanctions as they cut into their
> > profit margins, so the West implements them in dribs & drabs which allows Putin to find
> > other sources of trade and income.
> >
> > Rightwing talk radio mentioned that the Russian economy has only declined by 2% or so
> > and the value of the ruble is at pre-war levels.
> >
> > Meanwhile, Ukrainians are dying in a WWI-style war of attrition.
> > > Biden is infinitely better than the piece of crap that came before
> > And yet Russia didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was President, despite Putin supposedly
> > being such a good buddy of his...
> It's amazing that you are still defending this crooked piece of garbage. I couldn't believe it in 2016, but in 2023 it is unfuckingbelievable.
>
> Most common excuse.... "I like his policies."
>
> Who would be the ideal politician for you? Cincinnatus? Washington? Would it resemble a capable citizen putting his private affairs on hold to go serve his country, and they relinquish power at the end of his term, after a job well done?
>
> If we took such a model, how does Trump compare to it? Does Trump serve anyone but himself?
> And so on and so forth, Socratically.
>
> You watch too much Fox News. Is that it? They ARE fake news. THEY SAY SO. If you watch Fox News you base your beliefs on what they state, and I fear that might be your only guide to action. It is you only guide to posting, I see.
>
> If you eat garbage you get a grotesque gut, if you put garbage in your head you hold grotesque beliefs, and then some go and act on them.... When too many do that we have a very unhappy society...
> ,
> Fox News lied for Trump to millions of Americans for billions of dollars from the high ratings.
> Fox News now does a U-turn and confesses to lying, to save paying billions the voting machine industry for defamation.
> They go either way for MONEY, and you think they are out to inform you..... hilarious.
> They also think their audiences are stupid, and saying what they want to hear (which they qualify privately as 'insane') will keep them captured - slaves to the FAKES NEWS.
>
> All these years calling rival media outlet fake, and now there are affidavits from Murdock himself saying Fox News are FAKE NEWS. It's OFFICIAL.
>
> That must be the source of all your Biden mocking and ageism.
>
> Not having been brought up in the US, I realize I lack the trait many have of having been born in a family loyal to a political party, traditionally.. So, I don't get what's so good about all this party above country, and the attitude like yours or Hines' of never saying anything good about a president from the other party and never saying anything bad about presidents of your party, especially Trump. That gross bias removes all credibility going forward.
>
> Russia didn't invade Ukraine according to which president we had. To suggest they did is baseless.
> He didn't invade as soon as Biden took office, either. So I don't see the correlation. Putin attacked when he was ready, or so he thought, and he may well be regretting not to have attempted before being ready, since with Trump in power, it could have been another Crimea cake walk. Too late.
>
> Sanctions are necessary because adds a thorn on the enemy's side, even if it doesn't defeat it, but they are slow and plagued by leaks and evasions with a black market eager to help. That's how it is, for ALL presidents. Too many people are making predictions about the sanctions that we have never seen happen. We just don't have the kind of control sanctions imply. Besides, any strategy based on expecting to out-suffer Russians will likely fail.. The solution is in the battlefield; lost battles have immediate repercussions in Moscow; and only so many can be sustained.

Russian TV are now parroting what I told you above:
'Russian dictator Vladimir Putin said that he had decided to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 rather than earlier because of economic and military factors.

'Speaking on Russian state television on March 19, Putin laid out the reasons why, according to him, Russia didn't go for a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2014, when it invaded Crimea and started a war in the eastern Donbas region.

'Putin claimed that Russia wasn't ready militarily in 2014 for a full-scale war, primarily because it didn't have "hypersonic weapons."'

So NO, the pathetic fat fuck, bottle blond with no brains and no class, a clueless, clownish, orange-faced, jerkoff tub of shit moron you like so much.... had nothing to do with Pootin's decision to invade Ukraine again.

But don't let little annoying facts upset the lovely sack of theories you have. As you were.

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 by: Tiglath - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:44 UTC

I just don't want to process anything with 'Trump' in it, anymore, and succeeding at it. But we cannot always look away.
This loser now predicts that Putin will conquer Ukraine. The old mad-king routine gets noticed less and less, even loyalists. Any of them here, still? Or have the regular Deplorables made amends after this winter of discontent?
After Waco, it's clear that Trump is now irrevocably all in with the seditionists, the conspiracy theorists, the “Trump or death” fanatics, the Vladimir Putin fanboys—the whole appalling lot of them.

Betcha some of you still like him...

Hines? Come on, man. Woke ain't cool, but the GOP is in tatters. I'd cross the floor just to get away from that lot.

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