Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
> On 4/21/24 4:18 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>
>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/19/24 1:30 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>
>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>
>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>
>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>> through anything.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>
>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>
> Interesting - this is not available on Max, even though it should be.
>
> Checking IMDb, it looks like it was even an "HBO Max original"... I
> wonder if this was one of the things that was purged off Max in Zaslav's
> "tax write-off" "purge" of Max original content...

The thing I miss most about Max is their DC sub channel.

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shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>
>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>> insane?
>>
>
> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much

Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
well after I stopped reading the Legion.

Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
more powerful than before

> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
> That was never my Hal Jordan.

I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
Jordan either

>
>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>
>>
>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>
>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>> cast.
>>
>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>
>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>
> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
> future.
>
>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>
> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.

That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
have the Saturn logo on her chest.

> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.

Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.

>
>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>
> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
> EYE.

That was another stupid part of her plan.

>
>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>
> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>
>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>
>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>> herself? I don’t think so.
>
> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>

Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
make any sense.

>> Thanks for the recommend!
>
> You are welcome.
>

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>
>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>> insane?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>
>Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>well after I stopped reading the Legion.

Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
books then that might explain it. I was never a huge comic book fan as
I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.

>Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
Good reason to remember the character.

>Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>more powerful than before

So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?

>
>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>
>I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>Jordan either

So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
to mark his new territory.

>
>>
>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>
>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>> cast.
>>>
>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>
>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>
>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>> future.
>>
>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>
>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>
>That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>
>
>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>
>Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>
>>
>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>
>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>> EYE.
>
>That was another stupid part of her plan.
>
>
>>
>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>
>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>
>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>
>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>
>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>
>
>Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>make any sense.
>
>
>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>
>> You are welcome.
>>

At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
in with what we've seen before.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>
>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>> insane?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>
>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>
> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
> books then that might explain it.

Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
only know him from Legion books.

I was never a huge comic book fan as
> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.

OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(

>
>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
> Good reason to remember the character.

Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s

>
>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>> more powerful than before
>
> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>

The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.

>>
>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>
>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>> Jordan either
>
> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
> to mark his new territory.

This is the classic cover

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq

This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
you don’t want to see it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1

Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
realize it until now.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>
>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>> cast.
>>>>
>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>
>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>
>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>> future.
>>>
>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>
>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>
>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>
>>
>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>
>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>

OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.

>>>
>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>
>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>> EYE.
>>
>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>
>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>
>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>
>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>
>>
>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>> make any sense.
>>
>>
>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>
>>> You are welcome.
>>>
>
> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
> in with what we've seen before.

anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> Ian J. Ball <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4/19/24 8:45 AM, Arthur Lipscomb wrote:

>>> The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare (theatrical) New World War II
>>> movie written and directed by Guy Ritchie based on true events.� The
>>> movie stars Superman (Henry Cavill) and Jack Reacher (Alan Ritchson) as
>>> two men recruited by the British government (Ian Fleming and "M" played
>>> by Cary Elwes) to recruit a team of Inglourious Basterds to hunt and
>>> kill Nazis as part of a plan to disrupt Nazi U-boat operations in the
>>> Atlantic.� If you don't like Nazis and want to watch a movie where Nazis
>>> are gleefully slaughtered left and right, then this is the movie for
>>> you.� I absolutely need to pair this movie with Inglourious Basterds
>>> which would feel almost like a sequel.� They are in the Killin' Nazi
>>> business and business is a boomin!
>>
>> I'm in!!! :)
>>
>> (Now they just need to make another movie like that with Russians. Like
>> "Rambo 3"!!)
>
>You realize Pedro Pascal said you were a Nazi?

Pedro Pascal wants to be my FB friend, for some reason.

--
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atropos@mac.com wrote:
> "Arthur Lipscomb" <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> On 4/19/2024 6:03 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:

>>> Another absolutely terrible episode of the new Law & Order. I don't know
>>> why the DVR won't let me cancel the recording of it. A celebrity chef gets
>>> murdered and they try the wrong guy and realize he must be innocent without
>>> having any idea who the real killer is so they tell the judge to cancel the
>>> trial and let the guy go and then as he's walking away, the DA has a
>>> literal lightbulb go off over his head, and suddenly knows for no possible
>>> reason they Told us who the real killer is and they arrest her. With no
>>> evidence at all. And it stops dead right there.
>>>
>> You liked the episode a lot more than I did!
>> I was about ready to throw something at the TV during the trial scene
>> when the defense had a monitor set up and proceeded to show images that
>> the DA had never seen before. So why exactly did the DA think there was
>> a TV in the court room for? Why didn't the DA object *before* he
>> started to show the images? And once the surprise pictures were shown,
>> why did the judge let them in? We just got the pictures last night is
>> not a reason! And we just got them the night before doesn't mean the
>> pictures aren't fake!
>
>You can't just show evidence to the jury that hasn't been authenticated,
>accepted by the court, and marked and logged first. If you do something like
>that, you'll trigger a mistrial and get yourself reported to the bar by the
>judge for sanctions, and likely have to serve some type of contempt charge.
>
>EVERYONE in court should have been asking what that TV was for since nothing
>that could be shown on it had been introduced to the court as evidence. The
>judge, the court clerk, the prosecutors... everyone.

Obviously, they were going to play movies during the trial intermissions.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>> insane?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>
>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>
>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>> books then that might explain it.
>
> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
> only know him from Legion books.
>
>
> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>
> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>
>>
>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>> Good reason to remember the character.
>
> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>
>
>>
>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>> more powerful than before
>>
>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>
>
> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>
>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>> Jordan either
>>
>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>> to mark his new territory.
>
> This is the classic cover
>
> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>
> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
> you don’t want to see it
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>
> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
> realize it until now.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>> cast.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>
>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>
>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>
>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>
>
> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>
>
>>>>
>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>
>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>> EYE.
>>>
>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>
>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>> make any sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>
>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>
>>
>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>> in with what we've seen before.
>
> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
> firestick…
>
> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>
> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
> series.
>
> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
> but hey.
>
>
>

Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>
>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>
>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>> books then that might explain it.
>>
>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>> only know him from Legion books.
>>
>>
>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>
>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>
>>>
>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>
>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>
>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>> more powerful than before
>>>
>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>
>>
>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>
>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>> Jordan either
>>>
>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>> to mark his new territory.
>>
>> This is the classic cover
>>
>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>
>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>> you don’t want to see it
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>
>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>> realize it until now.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>
>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>
>>
>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>> EYE.
>>>>
>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>> make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>
>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>
>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>> firestick…
>>
>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>
>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>> series.
>>
>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>> but hey.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
> I'll get around to it.
>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>
>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>
>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>
>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>
>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>
>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>
>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>
>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>
>>> This is the classic cover
>>>
>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>
>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>
>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>> realize it until now.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>
>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>> firestick…
>>>
>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>
>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>> series.
>>>
>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>> but hey.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>> I'll get around to it.
>>
>
>Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)

On 4/25/2024 3:35 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>
>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>
>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>
>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>
>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>
>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>
>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>
>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>
>>> This is the classic cover
>>>
>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>
>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>
>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>> realize it until now.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>
>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>> firestick…
>>>
>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>
>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>> series.
>>>
>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>> but hey.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>> I'll get around to it.
>>
>
> Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)
>

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>>
>>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>>
>>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>>
>>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>>
>>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>>
>>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>>
>>>> This is the classic cover
>>>>
>>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>>
>>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>>> realize it until now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>>
>>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>>> firestick…
>>>>
>>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>>
>>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>>> series.
>>>>
>>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>>> but hey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>>> I'll get around to it.
>>>
>>
>> Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)
>
> It has dropped and is already on the gray. Looks to also be available
> on Max, Amazon Prime and Youtube Premium plus others like Apple
> TV/Fandango/Google Play if you are willing to part with $6 for it.
>

Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> On 4/25/2024 3:35 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>>
>>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>>
>>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>>
>>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>>
>>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>>
>>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>>
>>>> This is the classic cover
>>>>
>>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>>
>>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>>
>>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>>> realize it until now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>>
>>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>>> firestick…
>>>>
>>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>>
>>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>>> series.
>>>>
>>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>>> but hey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>>> I'll get around to it.
>>>
>>
>> Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)
>>
>
> Correction, I have until the *third* crisis drops. :-)
>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:14:30 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>>>
>>>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the classic cover
>>>>>
>>>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>>>
>>>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>>>
>>>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>>>> realize it until now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>>>> firestick…
>>>>>
>>>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>>>
>>>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>>>> series.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>>>> but hey.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>>>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>>>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>>>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>>>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>>>> I'll get around to it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)
>>
>> It has dropped and is already on the gray. Looks to also be available
>> on Max, Amazon Prime and Youtube Premium plus others like Apple
>> TV/Fandango/Google Play if you are willing to part with $6 for it.
>>
>
>I am waiting for somebody to knock it down from 33 GB to something
>reasonable
hmm, would 1.48GB do?

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:14:30 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>>>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>>>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>>>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>>>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>>>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>>>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>>>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the classic cover
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>>>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>>>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>>>>> realize it until now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>>>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>>>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>>>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>>>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>>>>> firestick…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>>>>> but hey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>>>>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>>>>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>>>>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>>>>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>>>>> I'll get around to it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)
>>>
>>> It has dropped and is already on the gray. Looks to also be available
>>> on Max, Amazon Prime and Youtube Premium plus others like Apple
>>> TV/Fandango/Google Play if you are willing to part with $6 for it.
>>>
>>
>> I am waiting for somebody to knock it down from 33 GB to something
>> reasonable
> hmm, would 1.48GB do?
>
> Justice.League.Crisis.on.Infinite.Earths.Part.Two.2024.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-LAMA
>
> That was among the first thing I saw. Admittedly it is 1080P but they
> seem to do a good job going by past work. In fact while the name isn't
> the same they seem to be doing the same work as YTS, a long time
> publisher of rips of various shows and movies.
>

anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:14:30 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>>>>>>>> insane?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>>>>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>>>>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>>>>>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>>>>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>>>>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>>>>>>> books then that might explain it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>>>>>> only know him from Legion books.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>>>>>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>>>>>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>>>>>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>>>>>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>>>>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>>>>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>>>>>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>>>>>> character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>>>>>>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>>>>>>>> more powerful than before
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>>>>>>> character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>>>>>>> either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>>>>>>> with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>>>>>>> happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>>>>>>> grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>>>>>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>>>>>>>> Jordan either
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>>>>>>>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>>>>>>>> to mark his new territory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the classic cover
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>>>>>>> they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>>>>>>> you don’t want to see it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>>>>>>> realize it until now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>>>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>>>>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>>>>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>>>>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>>>>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>>>>>>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>>>>>>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>>>>>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>>>>>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>>>>>>> at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>>>>>>> who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>>>>>>> it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>>>>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>>>>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>>>>>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>>>>>>>> EYE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>>>>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>>>>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>>>>>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>>>>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>>>>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>>>>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>>>>>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>>>>>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>>>>>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>>>>>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>>>>>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>>>>>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>>>>>>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>>>>>>>> make any sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>>>>>>>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>>>>>>>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>>>>>>>> in with what we've seen before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>>>>>>> watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>>>>>>> firestick…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>>>>>>> but hey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My plan was to revisit the earlier films working my way through
>>>>>> Apocalypse War then dive into the Tomorrowverse. But I think I only
>>>>>> made it through one or two movies and just never got back into it. I
>>>>>> really do want to see them again, and I absolutely must watch the
>>>>>> Tomorrowverse movies I haven't even watched once yet. So eventually
>>>>>> I'll get around to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you’ve got until the second crisis drops at least. :-)
>>>>
>>>> It has dropped and is already on the gray. Looks to also be available
>>>> on Max, Amazon Prime and Youtube Premium plus others like Apple
>>>> TV/Fandango/Google Play if you are willing to part with $6 for it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am waiting for somebody to knock it down from 33 GB to something
>>> reasonable
>> hmm, would 1.48GB do?
>>
>> Justice.League.Crisis.on.Infinite.Earths.Part.Two.2024.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-LAMA
>>
>> That was among the first thing I saw. Admittedly it is 1080P but they
>> seem to do a good job going by past work. In fact while the name isn't
>> the same they seem to be doing the same work as YTS, a long time
>> publisher of rips of various shows and movies.
>>
>
> I’ll take a look, thanks. The only ones I found were 4K. Which nobody gets
> but Ian.
>

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:04:01 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:14:30 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?

>>>> I am waiting for somebody to knock it down from 33 GB to something
>>>> reasonable
>>> hmm, would 1.48GB do?
>>>
>>> Justice.League.Crisis.on.Infinite.Earths.Part.Two.2024.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-LAMA
>>>
>>> That was among the first thing I saw. Admittedly it is 1080P but they
>>> seem to do a good job going by past work. In fact while the name isn't
>>> the same they seem to be doing the same work as YTS, a long time
>>> publisher of rips of various shows and movies.
>>>
>>
>> I’ll take a look, thanks. The only ones I found were 4K. Which nobody gets
>> but Ian.
>>
>
>Actually, it’s part one I can’t find at all which totally mystifies me.

Yeah, I see that the 1080p Part One files aren't on EN. If you are
willing to go the torrent route you could pick it up here:

https://yts.mx/movies/justice-league-crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-one-2024

Those torrents are likely still active since this is a 2024 release.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 00:33:18 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I watched another animated flick JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this movie we have a trio of bad guys from the future travel into
>>>>>>>>> the past to free two of their group that are trapped in a prison in
>>>>>>>>> the time of the Justice League. A hero from the future also manages to
>>>>>>>>> travel into the past to stop them but he has a fatal weakness. He
>>>>>>>>> needs regular doses of a drug or else he tends to forget who he is. A
>>>>>>>>> drug that doesn't exist in the JL time. So he forgets most of his
>>>>>>>>> mission other than that there is a Fatal Five and that he needs to
>>>>>>>>> find the Limelight before getting locked away in a mental institution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it new that he’s insane? For that matter is it new that Jessica Cruz is
>>>>> insane?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. Not familiar with either of those characters. Perhaps
>>>> they were introduced to the comics after I quit reading them. Much
>>>
>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>> powers wiki says he’s gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>> and race swaps. Apparently he’s been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>
>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>> books then that might explain it.
>
>Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>only know him from Legion books.
>
>
>I was never a huge comic book fan as
>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>
>OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>
>>
>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>> Good reason to remember the character.
>
>Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>
>https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s

Again, good reason to remember. Cosplay being one of the few reasons I
would ever want to attend one of the conventions. (Not a fan of so
many people crowded into one place.)

>
>>
>>> Wikipedia says that this was a fairly faithful version, except that it was
>>> darkseid that Smashed her ring and killed her and the ring brought her back
>>> more powerful than before
>>
>> So if the ring can do that why didn't it do it for anyone else?
>>
>
>The wiki is very confusing. But apparently in the original stories, the
>character has a ring that isn’t a standard issue green lantern ring, but
>either has a different source or origin, or has been changed by contact
>with previous owners. So it was a one time thing for her that wouldn’t
>happen with the standard power ring and doesn’t really make sense when they
>grafted the events of another story and another ring onto this one.

Why does she as a new GL get a special ring?

Oh, because the writer wanted her to have a special ring even though
she clearly would have been a newbie and not worthy of special
treatment over long time GL members like Killowog.

>
>
>
>>>
>>>> like with Hal Jordan turning truly evil in that other animated flick.
>>>> That was never my Hal Jordan.
>>>
>>> I actually remember that from the comics, but yeah, that was not my Hal
>>> Jordan either
>>
>> So they actually did that in the comics? Nothing like destroying a
>> beloved character. Guess that was a new writer pissing on the ground
>> to mark his new territory.
>
>This is the classic cover
>
>https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b87cf569f4014f95ebbcdf5098db0cf0-lq
>
>This Wikipedia article explains it and who, and what was behind it, and how
>they eventually tried to walk it back, and what animated movie to avoid if
>you don’t want to see it
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Twilight?wprov=sfti1
>
>Amazingly, I actually know two of the people involved in this and I didn’t
>realize it until now.

Yeah, I saw that movie so at least they did it right in terms of
copying the comic. Not that it justifies what they did to the
character.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The story then proceeds from there as the trio of bad guys proceed to
>>>>>>>>> do bad things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll leave the rest of the story for your enjoyment when watching the
>>>>>>>>> flick as it's a good story. There are some bits that didn't make sense
>>>>>>>>> within the story like an axe that can cut Superman but doesn't cut
>>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword but it was still an enjoyable watch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wonder Woman's sword is magic and blessed by Hephaestus. I guess
>>>>>>>> Hephaestus is tougher than the Persuader. Nominally the atomic ax can cut
>>>>>>>> through anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, *nothing* cuts or breaks that lasso. Period!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would watch this but once again nothing is free on Apple TV. $3.99 to
>>>>>> rent, $12.99 to buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The gray web to the rescue! Thank you, Al Gore.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was OK. It wasn’t as good as the newer stuff that I’ve praised that
>>>>> looks to be 3-D for 2-D. But it balances that out by having the older voice
>>>>> cast.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m completely confused by the continuity. The justice league that had
>>>>> Supergirl certainly knew about the Legion. But these guys don’t.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take it we actually see the end of the green lantern corp in this movie.
>>>>
>>>> We don't know why it ends but they clearly aren't around in this
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know who the Legion we see at the end of the movie is, but it’s
>>>>> certainly not the Legion we saw the beginning. Jessica Cruz thanks for them
>>>>> for coming to the funeral because the dead guy thought so highly of them.
>>>>> But in fact, the dead guy never would’ve met these people.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean? Those are among the people that he worked with.
>>>
>>> That’s a completely different Saturn girl/Saturn Queen at the end than it
>>> was in the beginning. I wouldn’t even have known who it was if she didn’t
>>> have the Saturn logo on her chest.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hell, one of them even asked him at the beginning of the movie if he
>>>> had taken his shot and warning him that "You know what happens if you
>>>> don't take your shot." So of course they knew him.
>>>
>>> Yeah, that was the beginning Saturn girl, who was like the comics.
>>>
>
>OK I’m completely wrong about this. When the movie started, I was looking
>at the cast list and saw Tara Strong as a completely different Saturn Girl
>who is more like Zenon girl of the future. I went back and checked, and
>it’s the same character design at the beginning at the end.
>
>
>>>>
>>>>> I liked Mano (the hands of fate) accidentally burning off the Empress’
>>>>> face. Wikipedia says Jessica killed them all? I guess I blinked. Certainly
>>>>> Saturn girl should be pissed at her.
>>>>
>>>> Given that they aren't normal humans who knows if they were actually
>>>> killed or not. Not sure how dangerous the Empress would be without her
>>>> EYE.
>>>
>>> That was another stupid part of her plan.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the Empress plan has another fatal flaw. Almost all those other
>>>>> worlds were settled by travelers from earth. Destroying the solar system in
>>>>> the 21st-century is going to un-create everybody on her team.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I don't know what the rules are in that universe for time
>>>> travel, but normally what you say is how time travel would work.
>>>>
>>>>> There’s no way Batman should have been able to go mano on mano on Mano.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the ax can slice a ring in half! And Jessica uses Hal’s oath, and
>>>>> somehow saying it without a power battery or a main power battery or a
>>>>> ring, or any green energy at all manages to reform the ring and power
>>>>> herself? I don’t think so.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they were going with her being somehow more powerful than anyone
>>>> else in the GL, perhaps because she conquered her fears. Sort of like
>>>> Batman dealing with his fears of bats by becoming the Night. Notice
>>>> how when she powers up she gets that aiming reticule around her eye. I
>>>> had thought she was going to somehow get this magical power up by
>>>> gathering up the remnants of power on Oa or Mogo, but nope. She just
>>>> becomes ultra powerful because she becomes ultra powerful.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wiki sorry I’ve explains this. They took a storyline with different people
>>> and powers and grafted it onto this movie. Which is probably why it didn’t
>>> make any sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the recommend!
>>>>
>>>> You are welcome.
>>>>
>>
>> At least tonight's resurrection made more sense. Just finished
>> rewatching JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOKOLIPS WAR where two people get
>> resurrected but at least there is a reason why it happened that fits
>> in with what we've seen before.
>
>I think that’s one of the newer movies that I was enjoying, and haven’t
>watched yet, and was only available on trial services I got with the
>firestick…
>
>OK the film series I was watching is the TOMORROWVERSE.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrowverse?wprov=sfti1#Development
>
>JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK APOCALYPSE WAR is the final film in the previous
>series.
>
>Which confuses me even more as to why these people don’t know the Legion
>but hey.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:04:01 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:14:30 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>
>>>>> I am waiting for somebody to knock it down from 33 GB to something
>>>>> reasonable
>>>> hmm, would 1.48GB do?
>>>>
>>>> Justice.League.Crisis.on.Infinite.Earths.Part.Two.2024.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-LAMA
>>>>
>>>> That was among the first thing I saw. Admittedly it is 1080P but they
>>>> seem to do a good job going by past work. In fact while the name isn't
>>>> the same they seem to be doing the same work as YTS, a long time
>>>> publisher of rips of various shows and movies.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll take a look, thanks. The only ones I found were 4K. Which nobody gets
>>> but Ian.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, it’s part one I can’t find at all which totally mystifies me.
>
> Yeah, I see that the 1080p Part One files aren't on EN. If you are
> willing to go the torrent route you could pick it up here:
>
> https://yts.mx/movies/justice-league-crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-one-2024
>
> Those torrents are likely still active since this is a 2024 release.
>

Thanks. Easy news has really long retention so I haven’t got any idea where
part one is hiding.

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 23:09:59 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:04:01 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:14:30 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:35:33 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/22/2024 12:33 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:09:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:56:09 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/2024 7:59 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:38:44 -0700, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball@mac.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What did you watch?
>>
>>>>>> I am waiting for somebody to knock it down from 33 GB to something
>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>> hmm, would 1.48GB do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Justice.League.Crisis.on.Infinite.Earths.Part.Two.2024.1080p.BluRay.DD5.1.x264-LAMA
>>>>>
>>>>> That was among the first thing I saw. Admittedly it is 1080P but they
>>>>> seem to do a good job going by past work. In fact while the name isn't
>>>>> the same they seem to be doing the same work as YTS, a long time
>>>>> publisher of rips of various shows and movies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ll take a look, thanks. The only ones I found were 4K. Which nobody gets
>>>> but Ian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, it’s part one I can’t find at all which totally mystifies me.
>>
>> Yeah, I see that the 1080p Part One files aren't on EN. If you are
>> willing to go the torrent route you could pick it up here:
>>
>> https://yts.mx/movies/justice-league-crisis-on-infinite-earths-part-one-2024
>>
>> Those torrents are likely still active since this is a 2024 release.
>>
>
>Thanks. Easy news has really long retention so I haven’t got any idea where
>part one is hiding.

Presumably someone out there (or some company) put out a DMCA notice
on Part one so it got nuked.

nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>>>> Star Boy has been around since 1961. :-) Originally he had all of Superboy
>>>> powers plus the ability to increase the mass of objects to get around the
>>>> duplicate powers rule. Somewhere along the line, he lost the Superboy
>>>> powers wiki says he's gone through several incarnations and costume changes
>>>> and race swaps. Apparently he's been insane since the 2006 version which is
>>>> well after I stopped reading the Legion.
>>>
>>> Hmm, don't recall ever having heard of him. If he was just in Legion
>>> books then that might explain it.
>>
>>Wiki talks of storylines where he visited the 20th century, but, yeah, I
>>only know him from Legion books.
>>
>>
>>I was never a huge comic book fan as
>>> I just didn't have the money to buy more than a rare comic book when I
>>> was young enough to really want to read them. Then as I got older I
>>> was more into reading science fiction books. So the only comics I've
>>> read in decades were those that JMS joined in on.
>>
>>OMG I am so terribly terribly sorry. :-(
>>
>>>
>>>> Jessica Cruz has only been around for 10 years, long after I stopped
>>>> reading the Legion. I was puzzled as to why I knew who she was until I
>>>> finally recalled that someone I know cosplay as her
>>> Good reason to remember the character.
>>
>>Yep. That was making me crazy briefly trying to figure out why I knew this
>>character, but couldn’t place her in any stories!
>>
>>https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw1e254ZrKl9qrrM3cWT_WiOkdH3UTK-xMRPk067VrRA&s
>
>Again, good reason to remember. Cosplay being one of the few reasons I
>would ever want to attend one of the conventions. (Not a fan of so
>many people crowded into one place.)

Yeah, by Saturday at DragonCon, the hotel elevators have a 30 minugte waiting time. :-(

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