On 12/14/2020 6:09 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 12/14/20 7:30 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 12/14/2020 4:58 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 12/14/20 6:13 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:52 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:00 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/13/20 10:46 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:09:10 -0600, David Hartung
>>>>>>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/13/20 9:26 AM, M I Wakefield wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 07:05:15 -0600, David Hartung
>>>>>>>>> <d_hartung@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/20 3:14 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2020-12-12 9:47 p.m., B1ackwater wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> New Jersey House representative Bill Pascrell, 83, has called on House
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker Nancy Pelosi to bar 126 GOP members from taking their seats
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They ought to be indicted for sedition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because they sought to overthrow the Republic, in favor of a despot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seeking redress in the courts of the Republic, using the constitutional
>>>>>>>> laws of the Republic, is seeking to overthrow the Republic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Texas wasn't seeking redress, it was seeking was to disenfranchise
>>>>>>> millions of voters (because the committed the sin of voting for the
>>>>>>> other guy), and install the loser of an election.  That's not what's
>>>>>>> supposed to  happen in first-world democracies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Texas claim is that in not following their own law, the results in the
>>>>>> defendant states are illegitimate,
>>>>>
>>>>> The claim is a lie.  Those states followed their own laws, except for
>>>>> Pennsylvania adding three days after the election for mail-in ballots
>>>>> postmarked by election day to be received and counted.  The number that
>>>>> were received after election day was too small to change the result, and
>>>>> many of those were for Trump anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>            Expanded            Mailed             Mailed
>>>>>          absentee/mail     applications to      ballots to Absentee/Mail
>>>>>          _eligibility_      _all voters_       _all voters_ _receipt deadline_
>>>>>
>>>>>                                                                close of
>>>>> pools on
>>>>> GA          N/A                 No                 No election day
>>>>>
>>>>>                                                                close of
>>>>> polls on
>>>>> MI          N/A                Yes                 No election day
>>>>>
>>>>> three days after
>>>>> PA          N/A                 No                 No election day (*)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WI          N/A                Yes                 No election day
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (*) if postmarked by election day
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-mail-voting-policies-in-effect-for-the-2020-election.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Georgia made *NO CHANGES* to its established absentee/mail voting rules.
>>>>> Michigan voters approved changes back in 2018, including "no excuse"
>>>>> absentee voting.  Pennsylvania's rules were unchanged except for the
>>>>> additional three days for receipt of ballots, and it is established that
>>>>> only about 10,000 ballots were received after election day; Biden won PA by
>>>>> 81,000 votes. Wisconsin's Elections Commission, established by the
>>>>> legislature in 2015, this year automatically sent mail-in ballot
>>>>> applications to all voters.  They were empowered to do that under state
>>>>> law, i.e. law passed by the legislature.
>>>>>
>>>>> The claim that these states were not following their own law, apart from
>>>>> Pennsylvania administratively extending the deadline for receipt of ballots
>>>>> — which, once again, did not change the outcome — is simply false.
>>>>
>>>> Well, Hartung?
>>>>
>>>> I'm right — that's why you don't have a response.  It wasn't "fraud," it
>>>> wasn't "illegally" implemented mail-in voting.  It's simply that the "wrong"
>>>> people voted, and thus the wrong candidate won, and shitbag Trump and you
>>>> simply refuse to accept that, due to your vile character.
>>>
>>> I said from the outset that Trump's efforts were a long shot,
>>
>> What you haven't done is condemned his illegitimate efforts.
>
> If I considered the President's efforts to be illegitimate, I would have
> condemned them.

They were wholly illegitimate.

* frivolous lawsuits seeking to throw out votes (disenfranchisement) —
*illegitimate*
* organizing, financing and directing a violent insurrection — *illegitimate*
* coordinating the *criminal* submission of fake electoral votes — *illegitimate*
* calling state election officials to "find" non-existent votes — *illegitimate*
* pressuring the vice president to throw out states' electorsl votes —
*illegitimate*
* witness tampering — *illegitimate*