On 2022-10-01, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:58:14 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 8:08:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> https://postimg.cc/Yh618MKw
>> >>
>> > That ceiling fan is a terrible idea especially for open flames that gas
>> > stoves have.
>> >
>> If the gas stove flame is high enough to reach the ceiling fan, its
>> regulator needs some adjustment.
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Not true. Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
> a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
> doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.

How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 10/1/2022 17:40, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-01, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:58:14 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> If the gas stove flame is high enough to reach the ceiling fan, its
>>> regulator needs some adjustment.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

LOL, I don't think that's what Joan meant.

>> Not true. Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
>> a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
>> doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
>
> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?

The exhaust fan works different from a ceiling fan. I know what Joan is
talking about. I installed a small ceiling fan on my (much larger than
the photographed) kitchen ceiling, and when it's set to anything more
than "low", it really messes with the burner flame.

On 10/1/2022 5:55, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-01, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> A kitchen similar to the one in the photo below would be ideal for me:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/Yh618MKw
>>
>> Side note, that huge modern ceiling fan just doesn't fit, but this photo
>> is a great depiction of the layout that I am describing.
>
> That kitchen has at least four times the counter space of my grandmother's
> kitchen. It had a couple of feet of counter space flanking the sink and
> maybe a foot next to the stove. That was it. With the dish rack to the
> right of the sink, that left a couple of feet of countertop as the sole
> work surface.

I've been in a Galley kitchen in a 1930's house with a fridge and stove
where the stove is in this photo; nothing else on that wall other than a
door to the dining room and a door to the cellar. The other wall was a
60" wide cabinet with a double sink, and a tiny bit of counter space to
either side. That was a tight kitchen, but workable.

On 9/30/2022 22:16, GM wrote:
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 9:05:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:
>> On 9/30/2022 9:08 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> A kitchen similar to the one in the photo below would be ideal
>>> for me:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/Yh618MKw
>>>
>>> Side note, that huge modern ceiling fan just doesn't fit, but
>>> this photo is a great depiction of the layout that I am
>>> describing.
>> Ceiling fan would just help spread grease around and that one
>> seems huge. No vent over the range. That was common 50 years ago,
>> unacceptable now. I'd vent it up, over, out the opposite wall if I
>> had to.
>
> That looks like an ad for "Your DREAM kitchen of the FUTURE!" you'd
> see in a Kelvinator or Hotpoint ad in a WW II 'Life' magazine...
>
> Now it looks like a grease trap...
>
> GM

Ah, Greg, you know that's my era! If it were my kitchen, I'd have the
vintage appliances to boot. It's only a "grease trap" if you don't know
how to clean. Of course, one could install a vented range hood. I put
a range hood in my kitchen, but I never finished the wiring. Nothing is
disgusting or greasy.

On 10/1/2022 5:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-01, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:58:14 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 8:08:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/Yh618MKw
>>>>>
>>>> That ceiling fan is a terrible idea especially for open flames that gas
>>>> stoves have.
>>>>
>>> If the gas stove flame is high enough to reach the ceiling fan, its
>>> regulator needs some adjustment.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Not true. Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
>> a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
>> doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
>
> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
>
LOL It's *this* a fake Cindy?

On 10/1/2022 5:14 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:58:14 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 8:08:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/Yh618MKw
>>>>
>>> That ceiling fan is a terrible idea especially for open flames that gas
>>> stoves have.
>>>
>> If the gas stove flame is high enough to reach the ceiling fan, its
>> regulator needs some adjustment.
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Not true. Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
> a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
> doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.

A ceiling fan in a kitchen could be useful but I'd never turn it on
while the stove is on. I would never install one in my kitchen in the
first place.

On 2022-10-02, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:
> On 10/1/2022 5:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:58:14 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 8:08:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/Yh618MKw
>>>>>>
>>>>> That ceiling fan is a terrible idea especially for open flames that gas
>>>>> stoves have.
>>>>>
>>>> If the gas stove flame is high enough to reach the ceiling fan, its
>>>> regulator needs some adjustment.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Not true. Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
>>> a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
>>> doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
>>
>> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
>>
> LOL It's *this* a fake Cindy?

1. No. Why would you think so?
2. Can't you check the headers?

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> >Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
> > a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
> > doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
> >
> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
space.

On 2022-10-02, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
>> > a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
>> > doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
>> >
>> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
> air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
> space.

The fan whirls directly above a burner.

I should put a fan in the kitchen and see what it takes to disturb the
flames on the stove.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-02, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
> >> > a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
> >> > doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
> >> >
> >> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> > Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
> > air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
> > space.
> The fan whirls directly above a burner.
>
> I should put a fan in the kitchen and see what it takes to disturb the
> flames on the stove.
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton
It does not take much. My window ac is directed well away and starts 12 feet away.
I sometimes use a box of pasta for a shield.

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 1:57:55 PM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:24:49 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-10-02, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
> > >> > a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
> > >> > doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
> > >> >
> > >> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>
> > > Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
> > > air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
> > > space.
> > The fan whirls directly above a burner.
> >
> > I should put a fan in the kitchen and see what it takes to disturb the
> > flames on the stove.
> >
> > --
> > Cindy Hamilton
> It does not take much. My window ac is directed well away and starts 12 feet away.
> I sometimes use a box of pasta for a shield.

An AC in the kitchen is a pretty cool idea. I can't do something like that because it would be too radical.

On 10/2/2022 17:24, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-02, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
>> air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
>> space.
>
> The fan whirls directly above a burner.

It gently pulls air upward, it doesn't push it downward.

> I should put a fan in the kitchen and see what it takes to disturb the
> flames on the stove.

If it's a decent fan, I think you'll find that it doesn't take much. I
regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen. The fan is nice to
keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most anything is
cooking.

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:37:37 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/2/2022 17:24, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-10-02, itsjoan...@webtv.net<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
> >> air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
> >> space.
> >
> > The fan whirls directly above a burner.
> It gently pulls air upward, it doesn't push it downward.
> > I should put a fan in the kitchen and see what it takes to disturb the
> > flames on the stove.
> If it's a decent fan, I think you'll find that it doesn't take much. I
> regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen. The fan is nice to
> keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most anything is
> cooking.

It depends on which direction the blades on ceiling fans are turning. In warm months it's typical for the fans to be pushing the air downwards. In winter months, the blades are pulling the cold air up towards the ceiling and pushing the warmer air down along the ceiling. On this rock, we don't need a winter setting. I don't recall ever reversing the direction of our fans.

Michael Trew wrote:
> I regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen.  The fan is nice to
> keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most anything is
> cooking.

When I first moved here there was a ceiling fan in the dining room.
WTH? Who wants a ceiling fan over the dining room table?

I immediately moved it to the living room ceiling where it was useful.
Still there, still useful.

On 10/2/2022 5:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-10-02, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 4:40:40 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2022-10-01, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any significant air from any fan whether it's a ceiling fan or
>>>> a tabletop model will mess with the flames on a gas range. The flame
>>>> doesn't have to be on high for it to be blown around.
>>>>
>>> How about the fan in the exhaust hood over my stove?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Your exhaust fan is doing exactly what its' name implies. It drawing
>> air o.u.t. whereas a ceiling or a tabletop fan is blowing air around a
>> space.
>
> The fan whirls directly above a burner.
>
> I should put a fan in the kitchen and see what it takes to disturb the
> flames on the stove.

Yes Cindy, you should try that sometime. lol

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:57:47 -0400, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:

>Michael Trew wrote:
>> I regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen.  The fan is nice to
>> keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most anything is
>> cooking.
>
>When I first moved here there was a ceiling fan in the dining room.
>WTH? Who wants a ceiling fan over the dining room table?
>
>I immediately moved it to the living room ceiling where it was useful.
>Still there, still useful.

I have no use for a ceiling fan anywhere... I simply adust the louvers
of our Central Air Vents. I do have a small table fan that ocilates,
I also have a large stand fan that ocilates... I use those fans when
painting to disapate the fumes, I ocasionally use those fans in the
basement. We have a three speed exhaust fan in the kitchen over the
stove, sends aromas outdoors. I find ceiling fans blowing on my head
very annoying.

On 2022-10-03 12:48 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:57:47 -0400, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:
>

>> I immediately moved it to the living room ceiling where it was useful.
>> Still there, still useful.
>
> I have no use for a ceiling fan anywhere... I simply adust the louvers
> of our Central Air Vents. I do have a small table fan that ocilates,
> I also have a large stand fan that ocilates... I use those fans when
> painting to disapate the fumes, I ocasionally use those fans in the
> basement. We have a three speed exhaust fan in the kitchen over the
> stove, sends aromas outdoors. I find ceiling fans blowing on my head
> very annoying.

I would not put one in a kitchen but we have one in our family room and
one in the TV room. The are great for keeping the air moving and cooling
things down enough that we rarely have to turn on the AC.

On 10/3/2022 0:04, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 5:37:37 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> If it's a decent fan, I think you'll find that it doesn't take
>> much. I regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen. The fan
>> is nice to keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most
>> anything is cooking.
>
> It depends on which direction the blades on ceiling fans are turning.
> In warm months it's typical for the fans to be pushing the air
> downwards. In winter months, the blades are pulling the cold air up
> towards the ceiling and pushing the warmer air down along the
> ceiling. On this rock, we don't need a winter setting. I don't recall
> ever reversing the direction of our fans.

I always have the fans directed downward. I never think to change their
direction, but I never use them in the winter. I think I'll take your
suggestion next summer, but modify it; I'll leaving the kitchen ceiling
fan on "updraft", and see if that affects the burner flame. If not,
I'll call that a "win", since I'll at least have some air movement in there.

On 10/3/2022 11:57, Gary wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>> I regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen. The fan is nice
>> to keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most anything
>> is cooking.
>
> When I first moved here there was a ceiling fan in the dining room.
> WTH? Who wants a ceiling fan over the dining room table?

Save one house, I think every house that I've lived in (moved several
times growing up) had a ceiling fan above the dining room table. Of
course, none of these were the original ceiling fixture in those rooms.
I can't say when those were in favor.

Aside from the exterior, attic, and cellar light fixtures (many of which
are original to the house), the only light fixture that I haven't
installed is the ceiling fan in my dining room, which was already here.
The fan is rarely used, but I haven't found a nice antique chandelier
for that room yet. I wouldn't want it to blow dust into the food.

> I immediately moved it to the living room ceiling where it was useful.
> Still there, still useful.

On 10/3/2022 3:59 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/3/2022 11:57, Gary wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> I regretted the choice of ceiling fan in my kitchen.  The fan is nice
>>> to keep me cool, but it has to go off (or on low) when most anything
>>> is cooking.
>>
>> When I first moved here there was a ceiling fan in the dining room.
>> WTH? Who wants a ceiling fan over the dining room table?
>
> Save one house, I think every house that I've lived in (moved several
> times growing up) had a ceiling fan above the dining room table.  Of
> course, none of these were the original ceiling fixture in those rooms.
>  I can't say when those were in favor.
>
> Aside from the exterior, attic, and cellar light fixtures (many of which
> are original to the house), the only light fixture that I haven't
> installed is the ceiling fan in my dining room, which was already here.
>  The fan is rarely used, but I haven't found a nice antique chandelier
> for that room yet.  I wouldn't want it to blow dust into the food.
>
>> I immediately moved it to the living room ceiling where it was useful.
>> Still there, still useful.

I don't want a fan blowing over the food on the dining room table. I
have them in the bedrooms and living room, as well as the lanai. Nice
to have in hot climates.