On 10/5/2022 20:47, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 6:28:07 PM UTC-5,
> j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On 10/4/2022 11:24 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's undercooked for my preference though.
>>
> You can't tell from the picture. You just assume that no one else
> here would turn a ribeye into shoe leather.

LOL, I know Steve's cooking better than that.

>> Obviously it's not cooked to well done (your preference) but I
>> agree it is a rather large ribeye steak.
>>> Braise the living hell out of it first, and serve with root
>>> veggies, please ;)
>> No one I know would ever *braise* a good ribeye steak. Braising is
>> for tough cuts of meat, not a nicely marbled tender ribeye. Have
>> you ever priced a ribeye steak?

That's basically the only way I like red meat. Of course, hence why
I've never bought a Rib-eye. Bottom round is expensive enough anymore.

> I need a good knife. I don't mind the fact that I have to sharpen my
> cheap knives often.

I've always had either cheap or old knives, that I have to consistently
sharpen. Maybe I'll get one good one, some day... probably not.

On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

> I've always had either cheap or old knives,
> that I have to consistently sharpen.

Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
Which is it?

> Maybe I'll get one good one,
> some day... probably not.

A good knife or a good sharpener?

I have one that puts the knife into a
tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
a specific angle between the stone
and the knife's central plane.

There are 4 choices for angle:

19 23 27 31 (degrees). NB: Blade will
have a wedge 2 * this value if both
sides sharpened at the same angle.

Different sides can have different
angles; thus scissors possible.

After sharpening a knife, I usually
test it by seeing how it can shave
body hair.

(Don't worry; I keep my pants on.)

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > I've always had either cheap or old knives,
> > that I have to consistently sharpen.
> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
> 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
> Which is it?
> > Maybe I'll get one good one,
> > some day... probably not.
> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>
> I have one that puts the knife into a
> tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
> a specific angle between the stone
> and the knife's central plane.
>
Vice or vise.
Which is it? ;-)

--Bryan

On 2022-10-07, Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I've always had either cheap or old knives,
>> > that I have to consistently sharpen.
>> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
>> 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
>> Which is it?
>> > Maybe I'll get one good one,
>> > some day... probably not.
>> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>>
>> I have one that puts the knife into a
>> tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
>> a specific angle between the stone
>> and the knife's central plane.
>>
> Vice or vise.
> Which is it? ;-)

According to Wikipedia, vice = UK, vise = US.

I've always seen it here as 'vice'.

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 3:03:44 PM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2022-10-07, Bryan Simmons <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I've always had either cheap or old knives,
> >> > that I have to consistently sharpen.
> >> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
> >> 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
> >> Which is it?
> >> > Maybe I'll get one good one,
> >> > some day... probably not.
> >> A good knife or a good sharpener?
> >>
> >> I have one that puts the knife into a
> >> tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
> >> a specific angle between the stone
> >> and the knife's central plane.
> >>
> > Vice or vise.
> > Which is it? ;-)
> According to Wikipedia, vice = UK, vise = US.
>
> I've always seen it here as 'vice'.
>
I have a few tiny vices, and others that are not so tiny.

--Bryan

On 2022-10-07 4:03 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2022-10-07, Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've always had either cheap or old knives,
>>>> that I have to consistently sharpen.
>>> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
>>> 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
>>> Which is it?
>>>> Maybe I'll get one good one,
>>>> some day... probably not.
>>> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>>>
>>> I have one that puts the knife into a
>>> tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
>>> a specific angle between the stone
>>> and the knife's central plane.
>>>
>> Vice or vise.
>> Which is it? ;-)
>
> According to Wikipedia, vice = UK, vise = US.
>
> I've always seen it here as 'vice'.
>

A vise is a clamping tool. I vice is a moral weakness.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:37:03 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-10-07 4:03 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2022-10-07, Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've always had either cheap or old knives,
>>>>> that I have to consistently sharpen.
>>>> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
>>>> 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
>>>> Which is it?
>>>>> Maybe I'll get one good one,
>>>>> some day... probably not.
>>>> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>>>>
>>>> I have one that puts the knife into a
>>>> tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
>>>> a specific angle between the stone
>>>> and the knife's central plane.
>>>>
>>> Vice or vise.
>>> Which is it? ;-)
>>
>> According to Wikipedia, vice = UK, vise = US.
>>
>> I've always seen it here as 'vice'.
>>
>
>
>A vise is a clamping tool.

In your dialect maybe. In real English it's vice in both meanings.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 2022-10-07 3:37 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-10-07 4:03 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2022-10-07, Bryan Simmons <bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:40:05 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've always had either cheap or old knives,
>>>>> that I have to consistently sharpen.
>>>> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies
>>>> 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
>>>> Which is it?
>>>>> Maybe I'll get one good one,
>>>>> some day... probably not.
>>>> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>>>>
>>>> I have one that puts the knife into a
>>>> tiny vice and has a jig to maintain
>>>> a specific angle between the stone
>>>> and the knife's central plane.
>>>>
>>> Vice or vise.
>>> Which is it? ;-)
>>
>> According to Wikipedia, vice = UK, vise = US.
>>
>> I've always seen it here as 'vice'.
>>
>
>
> A vise is a clamping tool. I vice is a moral weakness.
>
>
But vise is pronounced vize.

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:47:30 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>
> On 2022-10-07 3:37 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > A vise is a clamping tool. I vice is a moral weakness.
> >
> >
> But vise is pronounced vize.
>
True.

On 10/7/2022 11:39, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I've always had either cheap or old knives, that I have to
>> consistently sharpen.
>
> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
> Which is it?

Are you attempting to take Cindy's job? We have enough pedants here ;)

>> Maybe I'll get one good one, some day... probably not.
>
> A good knife or a good sharpener?

I have a free-to-me (shocker) not-so-good (also shocker) electric knife
sharpener that I use from time to time. I also have an old metal knife
honing steel rod.

On Fri, 07 Oct 2022 21:30:39 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/7/2022 11:39, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I've always had either cheap or old knives, that I have to
>>> consistently sharpen.
>>
>> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
>> Which is it?
>
>Are you attempting to take Cindy's job? We have enough pedants here ;)

Ghe ghe.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 2022-10-08, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>
> I have a [...] electric knife sharpener
> [...] I also have an old metal
> knife honing steel rod.

I suspect the electric one does the
job much more consistently than
the freehand honer.

The honer, if not used properly,
can easily wreck and edge though/

The unit I have looks pretty much like:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32780160255.html

Note that the photo shows someone using it
improperly though. The knife should NOT
be held by hand. It should be held securely
by the device in between the top &
bottom halves, using the red-capped
screw to tighten it in place.

The other screw of which you only see the end
is used to adjust for the knife thickness.

Also, you hold the unit in your other hand
with the knife blade away from yourself
and use your dominant hand to hold the
stone by the plastic piece and stroke
in such a manner as to NEVER PASS YOUR
FINGERS OR KNUCKLES IN FRONT OF THE BLADE.

On 2022-10-07, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> A vise is a clamping tool. I vice is a moral weakness.
>>
>>
> But vise is pronounced vize.

Not according to Oxford and Cambridge:

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/vise
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/vise

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 10/7/2022 9:30 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/7/2022 11:39, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On 2022-10-07, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> I've always had either cheap or old knives, that I have to
>>> consistently sharpen.
>>
>> Hmmm. 'Have to' sort or implies 'constantly' vs. 'consistently'.
>> Which is it?
>
> Are you attempting to take Cindy's job?  We have enough pedants here ;)
>
>>> Maybe I'll get one good one, some day... probably not.
>>
>> A good knife or a good sharpener?
>
> I have a free-to-me (shocker) not-so-good (also shocker) electric knife
> sharpener that I use from time to time.  I also have an old metal knife
> honing steel rod.

The steel rods are for straightening edges, not for sharpening even
though it makes them seem sharper.

Bryan Simmons wrote:
> Dinner tonight was sandwiches.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720302652025
> I need a good knife. I don't mind the fact that I
> have to sharpen my cheap knives often. They're
> quite sufficient for everything other than thin slicing
> raw beef, but I need one that I can devote to that
> one purpose. Bottom round roast is great for slicing
> super thin to make those grilled steak & cheese
> sandwiches, but it's hard to get consistently thin
> slices with a knife that's not super sharp.

Even with a super sharp knife, raw beef can be a challenge.
Simple tip for you: Put that beef in the freezer just for a short while.
Not long enough to freeze, just long enough to firm it up a bit.
Much easier to slice very thin that way.

OR... if you do this often, maybe buy a small home version of
a circular blade slicer with various settings. A home version of a store
deli meat and cheese slicer.

When I make steak sandwiches, I just cook a whole steak or roast to
medium rare and enjoy some of that for dinner. The leftovers are cold
and easy to slice the next day for steak sandwiches.

Remember, I'm Gary. I also like frying up a couple of "Steakumms" to
make steak sandwiches. I like most everything, including all the
horrors that are involved in the manufacturing of "Steakumms."

My taste buds are part of my body and I always value their opinion about
food.

On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 Gary wrote:
>Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> Dinner tonight was sandwiches.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720302652025
>> I need a good knife. I don't mind the fact that I
>> have to sharpen my cheap knives often. They're
>> quite sufficient for everything other than thin slicing
>> raw beef, but I need one that I can devote to that
>> one purpose. Bottom round roast is great for slicing
>> super thin to make those grilled steak & cheese
>> sandwiches, but it's hard to get consistently thin
>> slices with a knife that's not super sharp.

You need to toss that POS stainless steel knife in your tackle box and
use it to cut bait. For slicing raw meat buy a good carbon steel
chef's knife and a steel, learn how to use it. Sending out cutlery
for sharpening by grinding removes the best part of the blade and
changes the geometry, good cutlery never needs sharpening,
only requires honing and burnishing... compacting the metal at the
very edge makes it harder/tougher. If you pay someone to grind your
good knives you're an imbecile. Grinding generates heat that removes
the steel's temper, end up with dead soft steel that is totally
worthless other than for cutting bait. If you need to alter a blade's
geometry learn to use a machinists file for draw filing. Never ever
grind cutlery, not even wet grinding.
There are too many people who buy bench grinders and set themslves up
in a knife sharpening business, all they do is ruin good cutlery, they
can't sharpen a lawnmower blade. I sharpen my lawn mower blades all
the time, with a machinist's file.

On 2022-10-08, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:

> The steel rods are for straightening edges, not for sharpening even
> though it makes them seem sharper.

I'm a big fan of the honing rod. I bought a set of Henckels before 1990.
I use the 8" chef's knife every day and hone it after every use. It has
never been sharpened and has a razor's edge. The same applies to the
rest of the set except the paring knives.
My wife didn't get the routine and dulled them before I corrected her
misguidance. Now, when she uses the knives, she leaves them out for me
to hone. She's a good girl!
She just read this, so I feel free to post it.