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by: Thomas - Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:29 UTC

What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.

This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
Is it time to cool it in fridge?
https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p

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by: Bruce - Wed, 12 Oct 2022 02:43 UTC

On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:29:53 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:

>What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
>Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
>Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
>I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>
>This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
>Is it time to cool it in fridge?
>https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p

Either that or continue to do the "discard/add new" routine.

It looks alive to me. But to know how alive it is, I'd compare the
level in the jar before feeding and a few hours after feeding.

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by: Graham - Wed, 12 Oct 2022 04:06 UTC

On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
> Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
> Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
> I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>
> This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
> Is it time to cool it in fridge?
> https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p

Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
to make your bread, or use warm water.

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by: Thomas - Sat, 15 Oct 2022 23:17 UTC

On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> > What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
> > Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
> > Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
> > I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
> >
> > This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
> > Is it time to cool it in fridge?
> > https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
> to make your bread, or use warm water.

First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
3 hours into rise did another folding.
Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
Fingers crossed.

https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm

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by: Bruce - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 00:13 UTC

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>> > What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
>> > Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
>> > Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
>> > I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>> >
>> > This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
>> > Is it time to cool it in fridge?
>> > https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
>> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
>> to make your bread, or use warm water.
>
>First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
>Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
>3 hours into rise did another folding.
>Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
>Fingers crossed.
>
>https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm

Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.

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by: Thomas - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 01:12 UTC

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> >> > What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
> >> > Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
> >> > Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
> >> > I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
> >> >
> >> > This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
> >> > Is it time to cool it in fridge?
> >> > https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
> >> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
> >> to make your bread, or use warm water.
> >
> >First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
> >Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
> >3 hours into rise did another folding.
> >Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
> >Fingers crossed.
> >
> >https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
>
> --
> Bruce
> <https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS

Thank you both for support.

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by: Bruce - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 01:32 UTC

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 18:12:00 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>> >> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>> >> > What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
>> >> > Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
>> >> > Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
>> >> > I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
>> >> > Is it time to cool it in fridge?
>> >> > https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
>> >> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
>> >> to make your bread, or use warm water.
>> >
>> >First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
>> >Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
>> >3 hours into rise did another folding.
>> >Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
>> >Fingers crossed.
>> >
>> >https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
>> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
>>
>Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
>https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS
>
>Thank you both for support.

Still looks good. I think you figured it out.

--
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by: Graham - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 02:16 UTC

On 2022-10-15 7:12 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>>>>> What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
>>>>> Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
>>>>> Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
>>>>> I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
>>>>> Is it time to cool it in fridge?
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
>>>> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
>>>> to make your bread, or use warm water.
>>>
>>> First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
>>> Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
>>> 3 hours into rise did another folding.
>>> Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
>>> Fingers crossed.
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
>> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce
>> <https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
>
> Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
> https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS
>
> Thank you both for support.
>
You got excellent oven spring there but the loaf looks a bit under-baked.
Did you use bread flour or AP?

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by: Thomas - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 02:39 UTC

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:16:46 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-10-15 7:12 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> >>>>> What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
> >>>>> Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
> >>>>> Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
> >>>>> I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
> >>>>> Is it time to cool it in fridge?
> >>>>> https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
> >>>> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
> >>>> to make your bread, or use warm water.
> >>>
> >>> First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
> >>> Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
> >>> 3 hours into rise did another folding.
> >>> Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
> >>> Fingers crossed.
> >>>
> >>> https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
> >> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bruce
> >> <https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
> >
> > Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
> > https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS
> >
> > Thank you both for support.
> >
> You got excellent oven spring there but the loaf looks a bit under-baked.
> Did you use bread flour or AP?
Bread flour.
It is too dense for my liking. Bagel like.
450 preheat
400 once in oven with lid on 20 minutes
Lid off 45 minutes internal was 209.

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by: Thomas - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 02:46 UTC

On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:16:46 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-10-15 7:12 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> >>>>> What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
> >>>>> Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
> >>>>> Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
> >>>>> I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
> >>>>> Is it time to cool it in fridge?
> >>>>> https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
> >>>> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
> >>>> to make your bread, or use warm water.
> >>>
> >>> First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
> >>> Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
> >>> 3 hours into rise did another folding.
> >>> Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
> >>> Fingers crossed.
> >>>
> >>> https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
> >> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bruce
> >> <https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
> >
> > Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
> > https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS
> >
> > Thank you both for support.
> >
> You got excellent oven spring there but the loaf looks a bit under-baked.
> Did you use bread flour or AP?
From the clevercarrot.com recipe. All on a scale.
Here is the crumb
https://postimg.cc/kBzqdtXm

150g/ 5.35 oz bubbly, active sourdough starter250g/ 8.80 oz warm water, preferably filtered*25g/ .90 oz olive oil500g/ 17.65 oz bread flour (not all purpose flour)10g/ .4 oz fine sea salt

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by: Graham - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 03:11 UTC

On 2022-10-15 8:46 p.m., Thomas wrote:
> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:16:46 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>> On 2022-10-15 7:12 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
>>>>>>> Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
>>>>>>> Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
>>>>>>> I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
>>>>>>> Is it time to cool it in fridge?
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
>>>>>> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
>>>>>> to make your bread, or use warm water.
>>>>>
>>>>> First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
>>>>> Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
>>>>> 3 hours into rise did another folding.
>>>>> Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
>>>>> Fingers crossed.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
>>>> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce
>>>> <https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>
>>>
>>> Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
>>> https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS
>>>
>>> Thank you both for support.
>>>
>> You got excellent oven spring there but the loaf looks a bit under-baked.
>> Did you use bread flour or AP?
> From the clevercarrot.com recipe. All on a scale.
> Here is the crumb
> https://postimg.cc/kBzqdtXm
>
> 150g/ 5.35 oz bubbly, active sourdough starter250g/ 8.80 oz warm water, preferably filtered*25g/ .90 oz olive oil500g/ 17.65 oz bread flour (not all purpose flour)10g/ .4 oz fine sea salt

That crumb structure looks pretty good!!! I think it is a bit
under-baked. I would have left the temperature at 450F and aimed for a
nut-brown crust. If you have a probe thermometer, for a straight SD
boule like this, aim for an internal temperature of about 205F/96C.
Get Peter Reinhart "The Breadbaker's Apprentice" from the library. He
discusses internal temperature. For his pain au levain he aims for 200f
(IIRC) but doesn't use the dutch oven method.

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by: Bruce - Sun, 16 Oct 2022 03:23 UTC

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 19:46:34 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <canope234@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:16:46 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>> On 2022-10-15 7:12 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>> > On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 AM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>> >>>> On 2022-10-11 7:29 p.m., Thomas wrote:
>> >>>>> What do I do with starter that is ready but I am not?
>> >>>>> Keep feeding and tossing most in the garbage?
>> >>>>> Can I feed without wasting in a bigger container?
>> >>>>> I do not understand the need to dump most instead if just feeding.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is triple from a feed 5 hours ago. I will not try to use it until this weekend.
>> >>>>> Is it time to cool it in fridge?
>> >>>>> https://postimg.cc/v1Hw9T0p
>> >>>> Yes, put it in the fridge but get it out an hour or so before you start
>> >>>> to make your bread, or use warm water.
>> >>>
>> >>> First rise 7 hours. Just put in dutch for a quick second rise. First was a long autolyse, longer than i wanted.
>> >>> Got delayed grocery shopping so it was at least 90 before the first set of folding and rise.
>> >>> 3 hours into rise did another folding.
>> >>> Here it is now at 7 pm. Will turn oven on in 45 or so. Should have a finish in 2 hours from now.
>> >>> Fingers crossed.
>> >>>
>> >>> https://postimg.cc/yD6vfJBm
>> >> Looks good. I wonder how much oven spring you're going to get.
>> >>
>> > Actually fell a bit. Here is the finish.
>> > https://postimg.cc/8fH5kkcS
>> >
>> > Thank you both for support.
>> >
>> You got excellent oven spring there but the loaf looks a bit under-baked.
>> Did you use bread flour or AP?
>From the clevercarrot.com recipe. All on a scale.
>Here is the crumb
>https://postimg.cc/kBzqdtXm
>
>150g/ 5.35 oz bubbly, active sourdough starter250g/ 8.80 oz warm water, preferably filtered*25g/ .90 oz olive oil500g/ 17.65 oz bread flour (not all purpose flour)10g/ .4 oz fine sea salt

Graham's undoubtedly right that it could have been baked a bit longer
but it doesn't look bad to me. If it's dense, I'd slice it a bit
thinner. It looks a lot better than my first sourdough attempt did.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

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Sourdough starter again	Thomas
Re: Sourdough starter again	Bruce
Re: Sourdough starter again	Graham
Re: Sourdough starter again	Thomas
Re: Sourdough starter again	Bruce
Re: Sourdough starter again	Thomas
Re: Sourdough starter again	Bruce
Re: Sourdough starter again	Graham
Re: Sourdough starter again	Thomas
Re: Sourdough starter again	Thomas
Re: Sourdough starter again	Graham
Re: Sourdough starter again	Bruce