David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:_ASdnTCTdI9r1Lf-nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com:

>
>
> The only thing you have posted have is unsupported claims.
>
>

And that is suddenly an issue for you?

"However, President Obama's criminal actions
are still affecting the nation, and they need
to be corrected"
David Hartung, unsupported claim, Dec 20 2019
https://tinyurl.com/wgucfa3

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:19:32 -0700, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> wrote:

>On 9/20/2022 4:17 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 9/20/22 18:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2022 3:15 PM, Mattb wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 13:48:52 -0700, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/2022 12:21 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/20/22 11:08, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/20/2022 9:01 AM, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 18:43:51 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.entfärben.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2022 6:41 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:ddhhih53pceg1fe31qcffah69rf2knhpvj@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:46:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:3k2hih1qdnooe362g1a1hq8sciae7enpm2@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:20:21 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.entfärben.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2022 8:14 AM, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:23:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:TZScnXk34f60Jbr-nZ2dnZfqnPpg4p2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/22 10:47, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/2022 8:00 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucktard who rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/22 9:13 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/22 20:01, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fear of Fascism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re hesitant to use the word, and for good reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Tom Nichols
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve long resisted using the word fascism to describe
>>>>>>>>>> Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and his Republican followers, but we have to overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our reluctance to use strong language and admit that America
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is now beset by a dangerous antidemocratic movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> masquerading as a party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Pre-fascist Interlude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Joe Biden has been getting a lot of static for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to the ideology of Donald Trump and his followers
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “semi-fascism.â€? It isn’t surprising that right-wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pundits, such as the Fox News contributor Mollie Hemingway,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are practically having to take out loans to buy extra strings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of pearls to clutch. But even John Avlon at CNN and Matt
>>>>>>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at The Daily Beast are trying to warn Biden off from
>>>>>>>>>> insulting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s risky politics for the president to use words like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semi-fascism, much as it was a needless fumble back in 2016
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Hillary Clinton to call people “deplorables.â€? For the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of us, even to consider the word fascism feels like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. It is a Rubicon we fear to cross, because it makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our fellow Americans into our civic enemies and implies that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no road back for them, or for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We cannot, however, let our understandable fear of words such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fascism scare us out of talking about the reality staring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us in the  face. The GOP itself might not meet the full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of a “fascistâ€? party—not yet, anyway—but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’s not a normal party, and its base is not an ordinary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political movement. It is, instead, a melding of the remnants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a once-great party with an authoritarian, violent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seditionist personality cult bent on capturing and exercising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power solely to benefit its own members and punish its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagined enemies among other Americans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/fear-
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fas cism/671289/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% spot-on correct.  The Republiscums/QAnon are *all but*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fascist at this point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which means what,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what it says.  It means they are anti-American shitbags.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you say,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And have always supported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is it about Trump that is authoritarian?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trying to steal a second term in office after *losing* the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. Calling the press the "enemy of the people."Â
>>>>>>>>>> Starting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an insurrection.  Having his blackshirt followers beat up people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at his rallies.  Making love to other dictators in the world.Â
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tear gassing peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no attempt to steal a second term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         What was the goal of the fake electors, again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much of the press are enemies of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         By "the people" you mean Trumpers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Thankfully no, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a failed insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        I still have problems believing it was a [sic] insurrection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-planned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was, whether you believe it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Rudy, it was not pre planned as a insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>        Why did they bring a gallows to
>>>>>>>>>>>> carry out their "hang Mike Pence" chant?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       For effect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         What effect? They ostensibly gathered
>>>>>>>>>> for a pro-Trump rally. Who were they planning
>>>>>>>>>> on hanging?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>        Why were so many wearing body armor?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Don't see that many.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Doesn't matter, they were planning
>>>>>>>>>> to invade the capitol.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>        Why were they carrying 15 foot tall
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump banners, useless unless hung from
>>>>>>>>>>>> a building?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      That is not insurrection.  That is what was learned from ANTIFA.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        Evasion noted. The attack on the
>>>>>>>>>> capitol was planned.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>        Why were they carrying ziptie
>>>>>>>>>>>> handcuffs?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Idiots.  Do you believe a planned insurrection would be done like
>>>>>>>>>>> they did?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If it was planned to take and hold the building they would
>>>>>>>>>>> have been armed to the teeth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Who says they weren't? Virtually none
>>>>>>>>>> of the insurrectionists were arrested at
>>>>>>>>>> the scene, we don't know what they were
>>>>>>>>>> armed with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     They should at least used the  Antifa
>>>>>>>>>>> and BLM thing of using profession grade fireworks as weapons.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Like I said they were a bunch of idiots about the same caliber and
>>>>>>>>>>> IQ  of BLM and Antifa.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        The attack on the capitol was planned.\\
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Trump and his inner circle participated in the planning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Then, Prof. Canoza, you have evidence or were a part of this planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have evidence.  You've seen it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have provided
>>>>>
>>>>> boatloads of evidence, and *you* have seen it.
>>>>
>>>>    Where is this evidence?
>>>
>>> It's in my posts.  You have seen it already.
>>
>> The only thing you have posted have [sic] is
>
>rock-solid evidence. That's right.

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:11:08 -0700, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> wrote:

>On 9/20/2022 3:15 PM, Mattb wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 13:48:52 -0700, Rudy Canoza <rc@cap.con> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2022 12:21 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/22 11:08, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 9/20/2022 9:01 AM, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 18:43:51 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.entfärben.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/2022 6:41 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:ddhhih53pceg1fe31qcffah69rf2knhpvj@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:46:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:3k2hih1qdnooe362g1a1hq8sciae7enpm2@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:20:21 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.entfärben.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2022 8:14 AM, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:23:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:TZScnXk34f60Jbr-nZ2dnZfqnPpg4p2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/22 10:47, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/2022 8:00 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucktard who rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/22 9:13 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/22 20:01, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fear of Fascism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re hesitant to use the word, and for good reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Tom Nichols
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve long resisted using the word fascism to describe
>>>>>>>> Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and his Republican followers, but we have to overcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our reluctance to use strong language and admit that America
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is now beset by a dangerous antidemocratic movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> masquerading as a party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Pre-fascist Interlude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Joe Biden has been getting a lot of static for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to the ideology of Donald Trump and his followers
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “semi-fascism.â€? It isn’t surprising that right-wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pundits, such as the Fox News contributor Mollie Hemingway,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are practically having to take out loans to buy extra strings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of pearls to clutch. But even John Avlon at CNN and Matt
>>>>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at The Daily Beast are trying to warn Biden off from
>>>>>>>> insulting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s risky politics for the president to use words like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semi-fascism, much as it was a needless fumble back in 2016
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Hillary Clinton to call people “deplorables.â€? For the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of us, even to consider the word fascism feels like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. It is a Rubicon we fear to cross, because it makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our fellow Americans into our civic enemies and implies that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no road back for them, or for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We cannot, however, let our understandable fear of words such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as fascism scare us out of talking about the reality staring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us in the  face. The GOP itself might not meet the full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of a “fascistâ€? party—not yet, anyway—but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’s not a normal party, and its base is not an ordinary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> political movement. It is, instead, a melding of the remnants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a once-great party with an authoritarian, violent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seditionist personality cult bent on capturing and exercising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power solely to benefit its own members and punish its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagined enemies among other Americans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/fear-
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fas cism/671289/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% spot-on correct.  The Republiscums/QAnon are *all but*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fascist at this point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which means what,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what it says.  It means they are anti-American shitbags.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you say,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And have always supported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is it about Trump that is authoritarian?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trying to steal a second term in office after *losing* the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. Calling the press the "enemy of the people."Â
>>>>>>>> Starting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an insurrection.  Having his blackshirt followers beat up people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at his rallies.  Making love to other dictators in the world.Â
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tear gassing peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no attempt to steal a second term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        What was the goal of the fake electors, again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much of the press are enemies of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        By "the people" you mean Trumpers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Thankfully no, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a failed insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       I still have problems believing it was a [sic] insurrection and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-planned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was, whether you believe it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Rudy, it was not pre planned as a insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Why did they bring a gallows to
>>>>>>>>>> carry out their "hang Mike Pence" chant?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      For effect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        What effect? They ostensibly gathered
>>>>>>>> for a pro-Trump rally. Who were they planning
>>>>>>>> on hanging?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Why were so many wearing body armor?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Don't see that many.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Doesn't matter, they were planning
>>>>>>>> to invade the capitol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Why were they carrying 15 foot tall
>>>>>>>>>> Trump banners, useless unless hung from
>>>>>>>>>> a building?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     That is not insurrection.  That is what was learned from ANTIFA.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Evasion noted. The attack on the
>>>>>>>> capitol was planned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Why were they carrying ziptie
>>>>>>>>>> handcuffs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Idiots.  Do you believe a planned insurrection would be done like
>>>>>>>>> they did?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it was planned to take and hold the building they would
>>>>>>>>> have been armed to the teeth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Who says they weren't? Virtually none
>>>>>>>> of the insurrectionists were arrested at
>>>>>>>> the scene, we don't know what they were
>>>>>>>> armed with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    They should at least used the  Antifa
>>>>>>>>> and BLM thing of using profession grade fireworks as weapons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Like I said they were a bunch of idiots about the same caliber and
>>>>>>>>> IQ  of BLM and Antifa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       The attack on the capitol was planned.\\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Trump and his inner circle participated in the planning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Then, Prof. Canoza, you have evidence or were a part of this planning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have evidence.  You've seen it.
>>>>
>>>> You have provided
>>>
>>> boatloads of evidence, and *you* have seen it.
>>
>> Where is this evidence?
>
>It's in my posts. You have seen it already.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:46:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@verizon.net> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:m7rjihdnvhgar8rphn734ja85ke9l0cba1@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 09:07:53 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>> <klaus.schadenfreude.entfärben.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/20/2022 8:58 AM, Mattb wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 01:41:14 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:ddhhih53pceg1fe31qcffah69rf2knhpvj@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:46:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:3k2hih1qdnooe362g1a1hq8sciae7enpm2@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:20:21 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.entfärben.@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2022 8:14 AM, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:23:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>>> <noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:TZScnXk34f60Jbr-nZ2dnZfqnPpg4p2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/22 10:47, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/18/2022 8:00 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucktard who rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/22 9:13 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/22 20:01, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fear of Fascism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re hesitant to use the word, and for good reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Tom Nichols
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve long resisted using the word fascism to describe
>>>>> Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and his Republican followers, but we have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome our reluctance to use strong language and admit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that America is now beset by a dangerous antidemocratic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement masquerading as a party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Pre-fascist Interlude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Joe Biden has been getting a lot of static for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to the ideology of Donald Trump and his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “semi-fascism.â€? It isn’t surprising that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-wing pundits, such as the Fox News contributor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mollie Hemingway, are practically having to take out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loans to buy extra strings of pearls to clutch. But even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Avlon at CNN and Matt
>>>>> Lewis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at The Daily Beast are trying to warn Biden off from
>>>>> insulting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s risky politics for the president to use words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like semi-fascism, much as it was a needless fumble back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2016 for Hillary Clinton to call people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “deplorables.â€? For the rest of us, even to consider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the word fascism feels like failure. It is a Rubicon we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fear to cross, because it makes our fellow Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into our civic enemies and implies that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no road back for them, or for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We cannot, however, let our understandable fear of words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as fascism scare us out of talking about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality staring us in the  face. The GOP itself might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not meet the full definition of a “fascistâ€?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party—not yet, anyway—but it’s not a normal party,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and its base is not an ordinary political movement. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is, instead, a melding of the remnants of a once-great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party with an authoritarian, violent, seditionist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality cult bent on capturing and exercising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power solely to benefit its own members and punish its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagined enemies among other Americans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/f
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ear-
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -fas cism/671289/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% spot-on correct.  The Republiscums/QAnon are *all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but* fascist at this point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which means what,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what it says.  It means they are anti-American
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shitbags.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you say,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And have always supported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is it about Trump that is authoritarian?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trying to steal a second term in office after *losing* the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. Calling the press the "enemy of the people."Â
>>>>> Starting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an insurrection. Having his blackshirt followers beat up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people at his rallies.  Making love to other dictators in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world. Tear gassing peaceful protesters in Lafayette
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Park.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no attempt to steal a second term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What was the goal of the fake electors, again?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Much of the press are enemies of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By "the people" you mean Trumpers?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was no insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thankfully no, it was
>>>>>>>>>>> just a failed insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still have problems believing it was a [sic] insurrection
>>>>>>>>>> and pre-planned.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was, whether you believe it or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rudy, it was not pre planned as a insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why did they bring a gallows to
>>>>>>> carry out their "hang Mike Pence" chant?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What effect?
>>>>
>>>> Ask them. Why did BLM and Antifa
>>>
>>>No such group as "antifa"
>>
>> Jonathon you are a member.
>>>
>
>
> Antifa is not a group, it
>is a movement. No one can become
>a "member", any more than you
>can become a "member" of Qanon
>or Pro Life.

On 9/18/22 10:47, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 9/18/2022 8:00 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who
> rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled
> and lied:
>
>> On 9/17/22 9:13 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 9/17/22 20:01, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> Fear of Fascism
>>>>
>>>> We’re hesitant to use the word, and for good reason.
>>>>
>>>> By Tom Nichols
>>>>
>>>> I’ve long resisted using the word fascism to describe Donald Trump
>>>> and his Republican followers, but we have to overcome our
>>>> reluctance to use strong language and admit that America is now
>>>> beset by a dangerous antidemocratic movement masquerading as a
>>>> party.
>>>>
>>>> A Pre-fascist Interlude
>>>>
>>>> President Joe Biden has been getting a lot of static for referring
>>>> to the ideology of Donald Trump and his followers as
>>>> “semi-fascism.” It isn’t surprising that right-wing pundits, such
>>>> as the Fox News contributor Mollie Hemingway, are practically
>>>> having to take out loans to buy extra strings of pearls to clutch.
>>>> But even John Avlon at CNN and Matt Lewis at The Daily Beast are
>>>> trying to warn Biden off from insulting millions of voters.
>>>>
>>>> It’s risky politics for the president to use words like
>>>> semi-fascism, much as it was a needless fumble back in 2016 for
>>>> Hillary Clinton to call people “deplorables.” For the rest of us,
>>>> even to consider the word fascism feels like failure. It is a
>>>> Rubicon we fear to cross, because it makes our fellow Americans
>>>> into our civic enemies and implies that there is no road back for
>>>> them, or for us.
>>>>
>>>> We cannot, however, let our understandable fear of words such as
>>>> fascism scare us out of talking about the reality staring us in the
>>>>  face. The GOP itself might not meet the full definition of a
>>>> “fascist” party—not yet, anyway—but it’s not a normal party, and
>>>> its base is not an ordinary political movement. It is, instead, a
>>>> melding of the remnants of a once-great party with an
>>>> authoritarian, violent, seditionist personality cult bent on
>>>> capturing and exercising power solely to benefit its own members
>>>> and punish its imagined enemies among other Americans.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/fear-of-fascism/671289/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 100% spot-on correct.  The Republiscums/QAnon are *all but* fascist
>>>> at this point.
>>>
>>
>> Which means what,
>
> Just what it says.  It means they are anti-American shitbags.
>
>>
>>
>>> So you say,
>
> And have always supported.
>
>>>
>>> What exactly is it about Trump that is authoritarian?
>
> Trying to steal a second term in office after *losing* the election.
> Calling the press the "enemy of the people."  Starting an insurrection.
> Having his blackshirt followers beat up people at his rallies.  Making
> love to other dictators in the world.  Tear gassing peaceful protesters
> in Lafayette Park.

As I thought.

There was no attempt to steal a second term.

Much of the press are enemies of the people.

There was no insurrection.

There are no "blackshirt" followers.

Trump did not tear gas peaceful protestors.

Put another way, you cannot support any claim of fascism on the part of
Trump.

On 9/18/2022 5:30 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/18/22 10:47, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 9/18/2022 8:00 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who rode
>> his scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:
>>
>>> On 9/17/22 9:13 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/22 20:01, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> Fear of Fascism
>>>>>
>>>>> We’re hesitant to use the word, and for good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> By Tom Nichols
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve long resisted using the word fascism to describe Donald Trump
>>>>> and his Republican followers, but we have to overcome our
>>>>> reluctance to use strong language and admit that America is now
>>>>> beset by a dangerous antidemocratic movement masquerading as a
>>>>> party.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Pre-fascist Interlude
>>>>>
>>>>> President Joe Biden has been getting a lot of static for referring
>>>>> to the ideology of Donald Trump and his followers as
>>>>> “semi-fascism.” It isn’t surprising that right-wing pundits, such
>>>>> as the Fox News contributor Mollie Hemingway, are practically
>>>>> having to take out loans to buy extra strings of pearls to clutch.
>>>>> But even John Avlon at CNN and Matt Lewis at The Daily Beast are
>>>>> trying to warn Biden off from insulting millions of voters.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s risky politics for the president to use words like
>>>>> semi-fascism, much as it was a needless fumble back in 2016 for
>>>>> Hillary Clinton to call people “deplorables.” For the rest of us,
>>>>> even to consider the word fascism feels like failure. It is a
>>>>> Rubicon we fear to cross, because it makes our fellow Americans
>>>>> into our civic enemies and implies that there is no road back for
>>>>> them, or for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We cannot, however, let our understandable fear of words such as fascism
>>>>> scare us out of talking about the reality staring us in the
>>>>>  face. The GOP itself might not meet the full definition of a
>>>>> “fascist” party—not yet, anyway—but it’s not a normal party, and
>>>>> its base is not an ordinary political movement. It is, instead, a
>>>>> melding of the remnants of a once-great party with an
>>>>> authoritarian, violent, seditionist personality cult bent on
>>>>> capturing and exercising power solely to benefit its own members
>>>>> and punish its imagined enemies among other Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/fear-of-fascism/671289/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% spot-on correct.  The Republiscums/QAnon are *all but* fascist
>>>>> at this point.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which means what,
>>
>> Just what it says.  It means they are anti-American shitbags.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So you say,
>>
>> And have always supported.
>>
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is it about Trump that is authoritarian?
>>
>> Trying to steal a second term in office after *losing* the election. Calling
>> the press the "enemy of the people."  Starting an insurrection. Having his
>> blackshirt followers beat up people at his rallies.  Making love to other
>> dictators in the world.  Tear gassing peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park.
>
> As I thought.

No.

>
> There was no attempt to steal a second term.

Was. Fake electors scheme, pressure on Pence to throw out electoral votes, the
insurrection. None of this is in rational dispute. They all happened. Trump
did them.

>
> Much of the press are enemies of the people.

No.

>
> There was no insurrection.

Was. This is not in dispute.

>
> There are no "blackshirt" followers.

There are.

>
> Trump did not tear gas peaceful protestors.

He did. He gassed peaceful protesters in Lafayette park so he could go and
blasphemously hold up a bible in front of that church. He defiled both the
bible and the church.

>
> Put another way,

You're a liar. That's the only way to put it.

You lose.

In article <TZScnXk34f60Jbr-nZ2dnZfqnPpg4p2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> As I thought.

Ha! Ha! You did the funny! Your brainstem chaotic firings to keep
your heart beating don't count as thought.

> Put another way, you cannot support any claim of fascism on the part of
> Trump.

How's it feel living the high life in the dustbin of history as
everyone is getting laid, making money, and having the simple
joys of love and charity and companionship. We know your tree by
its fruit.

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On 9/18/2022 5:30 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 9/18/22 10:47, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 9/18/2022 8:00 AM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who rode
>> his scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:
>>
>>> On 9/17/22 9:13 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/22 20:01, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> Fear of Fascism
>>>>>
>>>>> We’re hesitant to use the word, and for good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> By Tom Nichols
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve long resisted using the word fascism to describe Donald Trump
>>>>> and his Republican followers, but we have to overcome our
>>>>> reluctance to use strong language and admit that America is now
>>>>> beset by a dangerous antidemocratic movement masquerading as a
>>>>> party.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Pre-fascist Interlude
>>>>>
>>>>> President Joe Biden has been getting a lot of static for referring
>>>>> to the ideology of Donald Trump and his followers as
>>>>> “semi-fascism.” It isn’t surprising that right-wing pundits, such
>>>>> as the Fox News contributor Mollie Hemingway, are practically
>>>>> having to take out loans to buy extra strings of pearls to clutch.
>>>>> But even John Avlon at CNN and Matt Lewis at The Daily Beast are
>>>>> trying to warn Biden off from insulting millions of voters.
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s risky politics for the president to use words like
>>>>> semi-fascism, much as it was a needless fumble back in 2016 for
>>>>> Hillary Clinton to call people “deplorables.” For the rest of us,
>>>>> even to consider the word fascism feels like failure. It is a
>>>>> Rubicon we fear to cross, because it makes our fellow Americans
>>>>> into our civic enemies and implies that there is no road back for
>>>>> them, or for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We cannot, however, let our understandable fear of words such as fascism
>>>>> scare us out of talking about the reality staring us in the
>>>>>  face. The GOP itself might not meet the full definition of a
>>>>> “fascist” party—not yet, anyway—but it’s not a normal party, and
>>>>> its base is not an ordinary political movement. It is, instead, a
>>>>> melding of the remnants of a once-great party with an
>>>>> authoritarian, violent, seditionist personality cult bent on
>>>>> capturing and exercising power solely to benefit its own members
>>>>> and punish its imagined enemies among other Americans.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/08/fear-of-fascism/671289/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 100% spot-on correct.  The Republiscums/QAnon are *all but* fascist
>>>>> at this point.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which means what,
>>
>> Just what it says.  It means they are anti-American shitbags.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So you say,
>>
>> And have always supported.
>>
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is it about Trump that is authoritarian?
>>
>> Trying to steal a second term in office after *losing* the election. Calling
>> the press the "enemy of the people."  Starting an insurrection. Having his
>> blackshirt followers beat up people at his rallies.  Making love to other
>> dictators in the world.  Tear gassing peaceful protesters in Lafayette Park.
>
> As I thought.

No.

>
> There was no attempt to steal a second term.

There was. Fake electors scheme, pressure on Pence to throw out electoral
votes, the insurrection. None of this is in rational dispute. They all
happened. Trump did them.

>
> Much of the press are enemies of the people.

No. The only entities that are enemies of the people are your right-wingnut lie
sites.

>
> There was no insurrection.

There was. This is not in dispute.

>
> There are no "blackshirt" followers.

There are.

>
> Trump did not tear gas peaceful protestors.

He did. He gassed peaceful protesters in Lafayette park so he could go and
blasphemously hold up a bible in front of that church. He defiled both the
bible and the church.

>
> Put another way,

You're a liar. That's the only way to put it.

You lose.