turned out excellent yesterday with garlic,
onions, potatoes, mushrooms, carrots. after a
few hours on high to get it cooked through we
turned it to low to let it go for a few more
hours. mushroom gravy to finish. side was
squash, dessert was chocolate cake but none of
us had any as we were happily full from the
other things (i'm going to have cake for break-
fast :) ). the meat was tender enough to use
a small spoon.

today we're doing another chuck roast (they
both wouldn't fit along with all the other things
in one batch) so Mom can have stuffing and mashed
potatoes. it will probably start with garlic and
onions.

my sister had never seen a roast done in a
crock pot before. we don't have a big roasting
pan anymore so we had to do it this way or use
the oven. Mom's ok with the crock pot so that
was how we went.

songbird

On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 6:49:36 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> turned out excellent yesterday with garlic,
> onions, potatoes, mushrooms, carrots. after a
> few hours on high to get it cooked through we
> turned it to low to let it go for a few more
> hours. mushroom gravy to finish. side was
> squash, dessert was chocolate cake but none of
> us had any as we were happily full from the
> other things (i'm going to have cake for break-
> fast :) ). the meat was tender enough to use
> a small spoon.
>
> today we're doing another chuck roast (they
> both wouldn't fit along with all the other things
> in one batch)

I always thought that ground beef was much easier on the teeth.

On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:49:36 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>
> turned out excellent yesterday with garlic,
> onions, potatoes, mushrooms, carrots. after a
> few hours on high to get it cooked through we
> turned it to low to let it go for a few more
> hours. mushroom gravy to finish. side was
> squash, dessert was chocolate cake the meat was
> tender enough to use
> a small spoon.
>
> today we're doing another chuck roast (they
> both wouldn't fit along with all the other things
> in one batch) so Mom can have stuffing and mashed
> potatoes. it will probably start with garlic and
> onions.
>
> my sister had never seen a roast done in a
> crock pot before. we don't have a big roasting
> pan anymore so we had to do it this way or use
> the oven. Mom's ok with the crock pot so that
> was how we went.
>
> songbird
>
They will turn even a piece of shoe leather beef into a super tender, falling
apart, dish.

Has your sister that has never seen a roast done in a crockpot been living
on Mars?? :o)

On 11/24/2022 11:28 AM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 5:49:36 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>>
>> turned out excellent yesterday with garlic,
>> onions, potatoes, mushrooms, carrots. after a
>> few hours on high to get it cooked through we
>> turned it to low to let it go for a few more
>> hours. mushroom gravy to finish. side was
>> squash, dessert was chocolate cake the meat was
>> tender enough to use
>> a small spoon.
>>
>> today we're doing another chuck roast (they
>> both wouldn't fit along with all the other things
>> in one batch) so Mom can have stuffing and mashed
>> potatoes. it will probably start with garlic and
>> onions.
>>
>> my sister had never seen a roast done in a
>> crock pot before. we don't have a big roasting
>> pan anymore so we had to do it this way or use
>> the oven. Mom's ok with the crock pot so that
>> was how we went.
>>
>> songbird
>>
> They will turn even a piece of shoe leather beef into a super tender, falling
> apart, dish.
>
Chuck roast is usually well marbled but it does benefit from low, slow
cooking. A crock pot is excellent for this.

> Has your sister that has never seen a roast done in a crockpot been living
> on Mars?? :o)

Probably used to a different type of pot roast which is roasted and
sliced. We recently had this discussion when I cooked a chuck roast in
the crock pot.

Jill

On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 10:45:50 AM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> On 11/24/2022 11:28 AM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > They will turn even a piece of shoe leather beef into a super tender, falling
> > apart, dish.
> >
> Chuck roast is usually well marbled but it does benefit from low, slow
> cooking. A crock pot is excellent for this.
>
Yes, chuck has enough marbling to make it tender with little effort. But a
bottom round roast with pretty much zero marbling can be turned into a
very tender dish given time.

jmcquown wrote:
....
> Probably used to a different type of pot roast which is roasted and
> sliced. We recently had this discussion when I cooked a chuck roast in
> the crock pot.

she was used to more of a dry roast which ended up
being too dry for her preferences. i am quite ok with
either method and don't much care which as it is the
flavor that is most important to me.

songbird

itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
....
> They will turn even a piece of shoe leather beef into a super tender, falling
> apart, dish.

it was excellent again. :)

> Has your sister that has never seen a roast done in a crockpot been living
> on Mars?? :o)

i don't know! but she's certainly enjoyed it the
past few days. mostly, not having to cook herself much
at all. :)

it's been nice for me too, since she wanted to do the
dishes tonight.

songbird

On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> ...
> > They will turn even a piece of shoe leather beef into a super tender, falling
> > apart, dish.
> >
> it was excellent again. :)
>
> > Has your sister that has never seen a roast done in a crockpot been living
> > on Mars?? :o)
> >
> i don't know! but she's certainly enjoyed it the
> past few days. mostly, not having to cook herself much
> at all. :)
>
> it's been nice for me too, since she wanted to do the
> dishes tonight.
>
> songbird
>
YAY all the way around!!

songbird wrote:

> turned out excellent yesterday with garlic,
> onions, potatoes, mushrooms, carrots. after a
> few hours on high to get it cooked through we
> turned it to low to let it go for a few more
> hours. mushroom gravy to finish. side was
> squash, dessert was chocolate cake but none of
> us had any as we were happily full from the
> other things (i'm going to have cake for break-
> fast :) ). the meat was tender enough to use
> a small spoon.
>
> today we're doing another chuck roast (they
> both wouldn't fit along with all the other things
> in one batch) so Mom can have stuffing and mashed
> potatoes. it will probably start with garlic and
> onions.
>
> my sister had never seen a roast done in a
> crock pot before. we don't have a big roasting
> pan anymore so we had to do it this way or use
> the oven. Mom's ok with the crock pot so that
> was how we went.
>
>
> songbird

Sounds good to me!

On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 10:17:30 PM UTC-5, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> > itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > ...
> > > They will turn even a piece of shoe leather beef into a super tender, falling
> > > apart, dish.
> > >
> > it was excellent again. :)
> >
> > > Has your sister that has never seen a roast done in a crockpot been living
> > > on Mars?? :o)
> > >
> > i don't know! but she's certainly enjoyed it the
> > past few days. mostly, not having to cook herself much
> > at all. :)
> >
> > it's been nice for me too, since she wanted to do the
> > dishes tonight.
> >
> > songbird
>
> YAY all the way around!!

Isn't there anyone here who actually *LOVES* doing the dishes?

On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 10:11:00 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 10:17:30 PM UTC-5, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>> > >
>> > it was excellent again. :)
>> >
>> > > Has your sister that has never seen a roast done in a crockpot been living
>> > > on Mars?? :o)
>> > >
>> > i don't know! but she's certainly enjoyed it the
>> > past few days. mostly, not having to cook herself much
>> > at all. :)
>> >
>> > it's been nice for me too, since she wanted to do the
>> > dishes tonight.
>> >
>> > songbird
>>
>> YAY all the way around!!
>
>Isn't there anyone here who actually *LOVES* doing the dishes?

You're looking for domestic help?

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

bruce bowser wrote:
....
> Isn't there anyone here who actually *LOVES* doing the dishes?

we argue about it at times because we both enjoy it. i'm
not sure i could say LOVE but it isn't that bad of a chore.
we also both enjoy shovelling snow (and we don't own a snow
blower).

my least favorite chore is mowing the lawn. good thing
there isn't much left any longer.

songbird

On 11/29/2022 7:35 PM, songbird wrote:
> bruce bowser wrote:
> ...
>> Isn't there anyone here who actually *LOVES* doing the dishes?
>
> we argue about it at times because we both enjoy it. i'm
> not sure i could say LOVE but it isn't that bad of a chore.

In my house you drop in a pod and push a button

> we also both enjoy shovelling snow (and we don't own a snow
> blower).

It was not a big deal but at about 55 yo I discovered how nice a snow
blower can be. We averaged about 48" a year.
>
> my least favorite chore is mowing the lawn. good thing
> there isn't much left any longer.
>
>
> songbird

My neighbor with riding mower did it most of the time in my last years
in CT. Did not bring the mower here, I pay to have it done.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/29/2022 7:35 PM, songbird wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>> ...
>>> Isn't there anyone here who actually *LOVES* doing the dishes?
>>
>> we argue about it at times because we both enjoy it. i'm
>> not sure i could say LOVE but it isn't that bad of a chore.
>
> In my house you drop in a pod and push a button

we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
things to glassware.

songbird

On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:

> we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
> things to glassware.
>
>
> songbird

I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is washed
often and looks perfect. May have been people using crappy or too much
detergent.

On 30/11/2022 13:26, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:
>
>>    we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
>> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
>> things to glassware.
>>
>>
> I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is washed
> often and looks perfect.  May have been people using crappy or too much
> detergent.

Or could be the type of glass. I had a set of glasses which frosted up
badly after a few years, but other glassware, washed at the same time,
has remained undamaged.

On 2022-11-30 8:26 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:
>
>>    we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
>> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
>> things to glassware.
>>
>>
>>    songbird
>
> I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is washed
> often and looks perfect.  May have been people using crappy or too much
> detergent.

My MiL's glasses were all pitted from the dishwasher.

On 2022-11-30 6:26 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:
>
>>    we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
>> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
>> things to glassware.
>>
>>
>>    songbird
>
> I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is washed
> often and looks perfect.  May have been people using crappy or too much
> detergent.

I've been putting my wine glasses in the DW for several years and
there's no sign of damage. However, I do use the more expensive
detergent pods that advertise that they are safe for glassware.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:44:43 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-11-30 8:26 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:
>>
>>>    we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
>>> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
>>> things to glassware.
>>>
>>>
>>>    songbird
>>
>> I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is washed
>> often and looks perfect.  May have been people using crappy or too much
>> detergent.
>
>
>My MiL's glasses were all pitted from the dishwasher.

Our time and sanity are more important than a bit of glassware.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 11/30/2022 10:45 AM, Graham wrote:
> On 2022-11-30 6:26 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:
>>
>>>    we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
>>> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
>>> things to glassware.
>>>
>>>
>>>    songbird
>>
>> I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is
>> washed often and looks perfect.  May have been people using crappy or
>> too much detergent.
>
songbird doesn't have a dishwasher so it's rather a moot point. :)

> I've been putting my wine glasses in the DW for several years and
> there's no sign of damage. However, I do use the more expensive
> detergent pods that advertise that they are safe for glassware.

The old-style powdered dishwasher detergent could be pretty bad about
etching some glassware or making inexpensive glassware turn cloudy over
time.

Jill

On 2022-11-30 2:43 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/30/2022 10:45 AM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2022-11-30 6:26 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 11/30/2022 7:23 AM, songbird wrote:
>>>
>>>>    we don't have room for a dishwasher here as there isn't
>>>> much cupboard space and i've also had dishwashers do bad
>>>> things to glassware.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    songbird
>>>
>>> I've heard that but I can show you 20 year old glassware that is
>>> washed often and looks perfect.  May have been people using crappy or
>>> too much detergent.
>>
> songbird doesn't have a dishwasher so it's rather a moot point. :)
>
>> I've been putting my wine glasses in the DW for several years and
>> there's no sign of damage. However, I do use the more expensive
>> detergent pods that advertise that they are safe for glassware.
>
>
> The old-style powdered dishwasher detergent could be pretty bad about
> etching some glassware or making inexpensive glassware turn cloudy over
> time.
>
> Jill

When I used powder, a pyrex measuring jug became unusable due to etching.
Ed and I use Cascade Platinum and although I don't use my Riedel wine
glasses very often, I feel that they are safe in the DW.
The wine glasses I use daily, are high quality and after hundreds of
washes are still perfectly clear.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:53:58 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-11-30 2:43 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/30/2022 10:45 AM, Graham wrote:
>>>
>> songbird doesn't have a dishwasher so it's rather a moot point. :)
>>
>>> I've been putting my wine glasses in the DW for several years and
>>> there's no sign of damage. However, I do use the more expensive
>>> detergent pods that advertise that they are safe for glassware.
>>
>>
>> The old-style powdered dishwasher detergent could be pretty bad about
>> etching some glassware or making inexpensive glassware turn cloudy over
>> time.
>>
>> Jill
>
>When I used powder, a pyrex measuring jug became unusable due to etching.
>Ed and I use Cascade Platinum and although I don't use my Riedel wine
>glasses very often, I feel that they are safe in the DW.
>The wine glasses I use daily, are high quality and after hundreds of
>washes are still perfectly clear.

Our wine glasses are run-of-the-mill quality and are also still
perfectly clear.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 11/30/2022 5:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:53:58 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-30 2:43 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 11/30/2022 10:45 AM, Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>> songbird doesn't have a dishwasher so it's rather a moot point. :)
>>>
>>>> I've been putting my wine glasses in the DW for several years and
>>>> there's no sign of damage. However, I do use the more expensive
>>>> detergent pods that advertise that they are safe for glassware.
>>>
>>>
>>> The old-style powdered dishwasher detergent could be pretty bad about
>>> etching some glassware or making inexpensive glassware turn cloudy over
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> When I used powder, a pyrex measuring jug became unusable due to etching.
>> Ed and I use Cascade Platinum and although I don't use my Riedel wine
>> glasses very often, I feel that they are safe in the DW.
>> The wine glasses I use daily, are high quality and after hundreds of
>> washes are still perfectly clear.
>
> Our wine glasses are run-of-the-mill quality and are also still
> perfectly clear.
>

Maybe the wine protects them. Stop those sugary soft drink and protect
your glassware by drinking wine.

On 2022-11-30 3:37 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2022 5:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:53:58 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-30 2:43 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 11/30/2022 10:45 AM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> songbird doesn't have a dishwasher so it's rather a moot point. :)
>>>>
>>>>> I've been putting my wine glasses in the DW for several years and
>>>>> there's no sign of damage. However, I do use the more expensive
>>>>> detergent pods that advertise that they are safe for glassware.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The old-style powdered dishwasher detergent could be pretty bad about
>>>> etching some glassware or making inexpensive glassware turn cloudy over
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> When I used powder, a pyrex measuring jug became unusable due to
>>> etching.
>>> Ed and I use Cascade Platinum and although I don't use my Riedel wine
>>> glasses very often, I feel that they are safe in the DW.
>>> The wine glasses I use daily, are high quality and after hundreds of
>>> washes are still perfectly clear.
>>
>> Our wine glasses are run-of-the-mill quality and are also still
>> perfectly clear.
>>
>
> Maybe the wine protects them.  Stop those sugary soft drink and protect
> your glassware by drinking wine.

I can agree with that!

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:37:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 11/30/2022 5:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:53:58 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> When I used powder, a pyrex measuring jug became unusable due to etching.
>>> Ed and I use Cascade Platinum and although I don't use my Riedel wine
>>> glasses very often, I feel that they are safe in the DW.
>>> The wine glasses I use daily, are high quality and after hundreds of
>>> washes are still perfectly clear.
>>
>> Our wine glasses are run-of-the-mill quality and are also still
>> perfectly clear.
>
>Maybe the wine protects them. Stop those sugary soft drink and protect
>your glassware by drinking wine.

Another good reason!

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>