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* OT. No Battery Chevy SparkDean Hoffman
+* OT. No Battery Chevy SparkEd Pawlowski
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GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>

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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 19:02 UTC

On 4/24/2022 2:43 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>

Before anyone says otherwise, they do not have to supply them

https://oldfortharleydavidson.com/auto-parts/how-long-does-a-car-manufacturer-have-to-supply-spare-parts.html

There is no law requiring parts to be available for 7 years, 10 years,
whatever. Depending on the restrictions the car maker places on any of
its intellectual property rights, that supplier [who may have designed
that part itself] may choose to continue making that part for sale
through independent retailers.

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Subject: Re: OT. No Battery Chevy Spark
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 by: Dean Hoffman - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:23 UTC

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:02:39 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 2:43 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
> Before anyone says otherwise, they do not have to supply them
>
> https://oldfortharleydavidson.com/auto-parts/how-long-does-a-car-manufacturer-have-to-supply-spare-parts.html
>
> There is no law requiring parts to be available for 7 years, 10 years,
> whatever. Depending on the restrictions the car maker places on any of
> its intellectual property rights, that supplier [who may have designed
> that part itself] may choose to continue making that part for sale
> through independent retailers.

It's just a downside about being an early adopter.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>

I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?

"Putting vehicle owners in a tough position." How tough of a position are
they in?

The article says nothing about how many replacement batteries have been
needed so far or what their actual life expectancy is.

Is battery pack failure in the Spark an actual issue or is this all just noise?

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On 4/24/2022 4:42 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>
> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>
> "Putting vehicle owners in a tough position." How tough of a position are
> they in?
>
> The article says nothing about how many replacement batteries have been
> needed so far or what their actual life expectancy is.
>
> Is battery pack failure in the Spark an actual issue or is this all just noise?

Tough position is resale value at the least. Depending on actual life,
you are heading towards a $0 value, probably faster than an ICE.

From what I've read, it should easily go 100,000 miles or more.

Always exceptions. If you go 200k great, but if it dies at 40k, you are SOL

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 17:07:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 4/24/2022 4:42 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>>
>> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
>> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>> "Putting vehicle owners in a tough position." How tough of a position are
>> they in?
>> The article says nothing about how many replacement batteries have been
>> needed so far or what their actual life expectancy is.
>> Is battery pack failure in the Spark an actual issue or is this all just noise?
>
>Tough position is resale value at the least. Depending on actual life,
>you are heading towards a $0 value, probably faster than an ICE.
> From what I've read, it should easily go 100,000 miles or more.
>Always exceptions. If you go 200k great, but if it dies at 40k, you are SOL
>

If I owned one that was at or close to end-of-life
of the battery - I wouldn't have expected any significant
resale value. < it's an econo EV > and would not have likely
considered buying a new battery.
If I owned a mint low use 2015-16 I'd be a little peeved -
- the resale / trade-in value has certainly dropped ..
The test for GM is seeing what they offer the owners.
... sometimes the buy-back or other incentives can be
quite good - to avoid the long expensive class-action suits.
John T.

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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:48 UTC

On 4/24/2022 6:20 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

> If I owned a mint low use 2015-16 I'd be a little peeved -
> - the resale / trade-in value has certainly dropped ..
> The test for GM is seeing what they offer the owners.
> ... sometimes the buy-back or other incentives can be
> quite good - to avoid the long expensive class-action suits.
> John T.
>

I wonder how many people will truly be affected.

The Spark EV was only sold in three states, and Chevrolet told Detroit
News that it sold only around 7,400 of them in total since its
introduction in 2013.Jan

If they offered a really good trade there would be few people to join in
a class action suit. It was more limited than I thought.

My daughter had a gas version. It suited her needs at a low price. The
EV would be good for local travel, easy to park etc. In the rain,
better than a golf cart.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 6:48:56 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/24/2022 6:20 PM, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>
> > If I owned a mint low use 2015-16 I'd be a little peeved -
> > - the resale / trade-in value has certainly dropped ..
> > The test for GM is seeing what they offer the owners.
> > ... sometimes the buy-back or other incentives can be
> > quite good - to avoid the long expensive class-action suits.
> > John T.
> >
> I wonder how many people will truly be affected.
>
> The Spark EV was only sold in three states, and Chevrolet told Detroit
> News that it sold only around 7,400 of them in total since its
> introduction in 2013.Jan
>
> If they offered a really good trade there would be few people to join in
> a class action suit. It was more limited than I thought.
>
> My daughter had a gas version. It suited her needs at a low price. The
> EV would be good for local travel, easy to park etc. In the rain,
> better than a golf cart.

That's what I was asking about. The article makes it sound like it's a huge
deal but doesn't talk about the actual scale. I'm always skeptical of articles
that are light on relevant facts.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?

I guess you're saying just junk the sucker, which given the high cost of
replacements, is likely the realistic route. What do you suppose that does
to the per mile cost that the green heads tout when they claim how cheap
and cost effective these cars are? Maybe time for another govt rebate
program, your electric car battery dies at 125K miles, give you another
$5K for the dead one plus the $7500 or whatever for the new one.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:50 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
> > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
> > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
> I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,

I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.

Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
is so far off base it's laughable.

> which given the high cost of
> replacements, is likely the realistic route. What do you suppose that does
> to the per mile cost that the green heads tout when they claim how cheap
> and cost effective these cars are? Maybe time for another govt rebate
> program, your electric car battery dies at 125K miles, give you another
> $5K for the dead one plus the $7500 or whatever for the new one.

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
> > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
> > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
> > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
>
> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
> is so far off base it's laughable.

My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard or for a
very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
capacity at that point. And all that should be factored in to the "miracle"
$1.25 gas equivalent fuel cost.

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trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>> > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
>> > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>> > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
>> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
>>
>> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
>> is so far off base it's laughable.
>
>My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
>are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
>is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
>miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard

Given that there were less than 8000 Sparks made, I can understand
Cheverolets reluctance to continue to support battery pack replacement.

It's an opportunity for a third party to build a replacement battery pack
if there really is a market for it.

It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.

>very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%

And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
requirements)?

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 by: Jock - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:03 UTC

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:12:01 +1000, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They
>> were made from 2013 to
>> 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research,
>> but
>> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>
> I guess you're saying just junk the sucker, which given the high cost of
> replacements, is likely the realistic route. What do you suppose that
> does
> to the per mile cost that the green heads tout when they claim how cheap
> and cost effective these cars are?

Nothing useful given that the other EVs aren't seeing the same
problem and that one was only produced in trivial numbers.

> Maybe time for another govt rebate
> program, your electric car battery dies at 125K miles, give you another
> $5K for the dead one plus the $7500 or whatever for the new one.

Even sillier. That would be up to GM to do, stupid.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:03 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:59:40 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
> > > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
> > > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
> > > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
> > I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
> >
> > Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
> > is so far off base it's laughable.
> My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
> are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
> is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
> miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard or for a
> very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
> only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
> capacity at that point. And all that should be factored in to the "miracle"
> $1.25 gas equivalent fuel cost.

My so sensitive. Show me where I doubted or disputed the information that
you posted.

While your points are valid where I take issue is your opening line:

"I guess you're saying just junk the sucker, "

I never said or implied any such thing. I asked a simple question and
you made an assumption as to what I saying. The article was weak
on the size of the issue so I said I was "curious" as to how big of issue
this really is. e.g. How many cars were sold, what is the lifetime of the
battery, what percentage have been replaced under warranty, etc.
You know, the part that you snipped from my original response.

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 by: Frank - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:24 UTC

On 4/25/2022 12:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>>>>> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
>>>>> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>>>> I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
>>> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
>>>
>>> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
>>> is so far off base it's laughable.
>>
>> My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
>> are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
>> is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
>> miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard
>
> Given that there were less than 8000 Sparks made, I can understand
> Cheverolets reluctance to continue to support battery pack replacement.
>
> It's an opportunity for a third party to build a replacement battery pack
> if there really is a market for it.
>
> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
>
>> very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>> only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>
> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
> than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
> requirements)?

Google sez:

"The average age of a car on U.S. roads rose to 12.1 years in 2021,
according to IHS Markit. The average age had been 11.9 years in 2020. In
2002, the average age was 9.6 years. There was a time when drivers
didn't expect to get more than 100,000 miles out of their cars at the most."

Appears that in the future the electric cars will drive the average down.

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 by: Frank - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:30 UTC

On 4/25/2022 12:03 PM, Jock wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:12:01 +1000, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They
>>> were made from 2013 to
>>> 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>>>
>>> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any
>>> research, but
>>> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>>
>> I guess you're saying just junk the sucker, which given the high cost of
>> replacements, is likely the realistic route. What do you suppose that
>> does
>> to the per mile cost that the green heads tout when they claim how cheap
>> and cost effective these cars are?
>
> Nothing useful given that the other EVs aren't seeing the same
> problem and that one was only produced in trivial numbers.
>

It is normally not a good idea to buy a car model that has not been on
the road more than a year or two. This gives the manufacturer time to
iron out the problems seen in large fleet testing not seen with the
small sample used in development.

As most of us in this home repair group know, sometimes it is a good
idea to wait ten or twenty years before adapting something new for the
home, e.g. plumbing.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:49 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
> >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
> >> > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
> >> > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
> >> > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
> >> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
> >>
> >> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
> >> is so far off base it's laughable.
> >
> >My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
> >are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
> >is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
> >miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard
> Given that there were less than 8000 Sparks made, I can understand
> Cheverolets reluctance to continue to support battery pack replacement.
>
> It's an opportunity for a third party to build a replacement battery pack
> if there really is a market for it.
>
> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
> >very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
> >only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
> than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
> requirements)?

Honda, for one, specifically when purchasing a Certified Pre-Owned vehicle.

My current vehicle fits in the 2nd column.
Powertrain Coverage 7 years/100,000 miles

https://www.hondacertified.com/certified-preowned-benefits

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:49:25 -0700 (PDT), Marilyn Manson
<comawhiteknuckles@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 12:03:10 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>> >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> >> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>> >> > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
>> >> > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>> >> > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
>> >> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
>> >>
>> >> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
>> >> is so far off base it's laughable.
>> >
>> >My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
>> >are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
>> >is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
>> >miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard
>> Given that there were less than 8000 Sparks made, I can understand
>> Cheverolets reluctance to continue to support battery pack replacement.
>>
>> It's an opportunity for a third party to build a replacement battery pack
>> if there really is a market for it.
>>
>> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
>> >very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>> >only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
>> than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
>> requirements)?
>
>Honda, for one, specifically when purchasing a Certified Pre-Owned vehicle.
>
>My current vehicle fits in the 2nd column.
>Powertrain Coverage 7 years/100,000 miles
>
>https://www.hondacertified.com/certified-preowned-benefits

Kia < and Hyundai ? > in Canada are 5 year/100 k km.

https://www.kia.ca/en/owners/kia-ownership/warranty

5-year/100,000 km - Worry-free comprehensive warranty covering
virtually the entire vehicle. *
5-year/100,000 km - Powertrain Warranty covering the engine,
transmission, axles, differentials and driveshafts.*
1-year/20,000 km - First-year adjustments covering consumable
items such as bulbs, wiper blades, fuses, brake pads, etc.*
8-year/130,000 km - Major Emission Components that guarantee that
the car will conform with government emission regulations. *
8-year/150,000 km Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, Electric Vehicle (EV)
Components
5-year/unlimited mileage - 24/7 roadside Assistance covers you in
case of mechanical breakdown.

John T.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:33 UTC

Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>On 4/25/2022 12:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:

>>
>> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
>>
>>> very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>>> only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>>
>> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
>> than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
>> requirements)?
>
>Google sez:
>
>"The average age of a car on U.S. roads rose to 12.1 years in 2021,
>according to IHS Markit. The average age had been 11.9 years in 2020. In
>2002, the average age was 9.6 years. There was a time when drivers
>didn't expect to get more than 100,000 miles out of their cars at the most."

Apples are not the same as Oranges. How many original owners kept their
car for 12.1 years in 2021 (only 12 percent, as per google).

"According to the car shopping website iSeeCars.com 12.9%
of all new-car buyers hold onto their purchases for a decade or longer,..."

>Appears that in the future the electric cars will drive the average down.

It would be ridiculous to extrapolate from the poorly selling Spark to
all electric vehicles, based on the data you've gathered from this thread
on a extremely-low-readership usenet newsgroup.

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On 4/25/2022 1:33 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>> On 4/25/2022 12:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>
>>>
>>> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
>>>
>>>> very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>>>> only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>>>
>>> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
>>> than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
>>> requirements)?
>>
>> Google sez:
>>
>> "The average age of a car on U.S. roads rose to 12.1 years in 2021,
>> according to IHS Markit. The average age had been 11.9 years in 2020. In
>> 2002, the average age was 9.6 years. There was a time when drivers
>> didn't expect to get more than 100,000 miles out of their cars at the most."
>
> Apples are not the same as Oranges. How many original owners kept their
> car for 12.1 years in 2021 (only 12 percent, as per google).
>
> "According to the car shopping website iSeeCars.com 12.9%
> of all new-car buyers hold onto their purchases for a decade or longer,..."
>
>> Appears that in the future the electric cars will drive the average down.
>
> It would be ridiculous to extrapolate from the poorly selling Spark to
> all electric vehicles, based on the data you've gathered from this thread
> on a extremely-low-readership usenet newsgroup.

You think this thread is the only source?

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 by: Jock - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 18:52 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 02:30:39 +1000, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

> On 4/25/2022 12:03 PM, Jock wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:12:01 +1000, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They
>>>> were made from 2013 to
>>>> 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>>>> I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any
>>>> research, but
>>>> I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>>>
>>> I guess you're saying just junk the sucker, which given the high cost
>>> of
>>> replacements, is likely the realistic route. What do you suppose that
>>> does
>>> to the per mile cost that the green heads tout when they claim how
>>> cheap
>>> and cost effective these cars are?
>> Nothing useful given that the other EVs aren't seeing the same
>> problem and that one was only produced in trivial numbers.
>>
>
> It is normally not a good idea to buy a car model that has not been on
> the road more than a year or two. This gives the manufacturer time to
> iron out the problems seen in large fleet testing not seen with the
> small sample used in development.
>
> As most of us in this home repair group know, sometimes it is a good
> idea to wait ten or twenty years before adapting something new for the
> home, e.g. plumbing.

Trouble is that by the time you wait that long to see if the tech is
viable,
you usually can't buy it anymore.

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 by: Jock - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 18:54 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 02:03:02 +1000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home>
wrote:

> trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark.
>>> They were made from 2013 to
>>> 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>>> > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any
>>> research, but
>>> > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>>> > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
>>> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
>>>
>>> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
>>> is so far off base it's laughable.
>>
>> My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
>> are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here.
>> What I posted
>> is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
>> miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard
>
> Given that there were less than 8000 Sparks made, I can understand
> Cheverolets reluctance to continue to support battery pack replacement.
>
> It's an opportunity for a third party to build a replacement battery pack
> if there really is a market for it.
>
> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which
> is a shame.
>
>> very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even
>> Tesla
>> only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>
> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for
> more
> than three years

Most foreign cars do now, particularly those from Korea and Japan etc.

(excepting emissions controls, which has government
> mandated support
> requirements)?

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 by: Clare Snyder - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:16 UTC

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:03:02 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>>On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 8:12:04 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:43:39 PM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > > > GM won't is out of replacement batteries for the Chevy Spark. They were made from 2013 to 2016.<https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/24/23039665/gm-chevy-spark-ev-no-longer-provide-battery-replacements>
>>> > > I don't have any skin in the game, so I'm not going to do any research, but
>>> > > I'm just a little curious: How much of an issue is this?
>>> > I guess you're saying just junk the sucker,
>>> I guess you're reading *way* more into my question than was there.
>>>
>>> Get out of attack mode and read my other comments. Your speculation
>>> is so far off base it's laughable.
>>
>>My so sensitive, the guy who dishes it out, thinks some simple comments
>>are an attack. For an attack, go look at some of your posts here. What I posted
>>is factual, on target,which is that if you're battery dies at 110K
>>miles, it looks like your electric car is headed to the junk yard
>
>Given that there were less than 8000 Sparks made, I can understand
>Cheverolets reluctance to continue to support battery pack replacement.
>
>It's an opportunity for a third party to build a replacement battery pack
>if there really is a market for it.
>
>It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
>
>>very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>>only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>
>And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
>than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
>requirements)?
Mitsoshitty does - the only way they can sell their crap.

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 by: Clare Snyder - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:19 UTC

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:33:58 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>On 4/25/2022 12:03 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>
>>>
>>> It is true that it is rare for anyone to keep a car for a decade, which is a shame.
>>>
>>>> very costly repair, which makes the junk it option more likely. Even Tesla
>>>> only warrants their batteries to 100K miles or eight years and only 70%
>>>
>>> And what other car manufacturer warrants _any part_ of their vehicle for more
>>> than three years (excepting emissions controls, which has government mandated support
>>> requirements)?
>>
>>Google sez:
>>
>>"The average age of a car on U.S. roads rose to 12.1 years in 2021,
>>according to IHS Markit. The average age had been 11.9 years in 2020. In
>>2002, the average age was 9.6 years. There was a time when drivers
>>didn't expect to get more than 100,000 miles out of their cars at the most."
>
>Apples are not the same as Oranges. How many original owners kept their
>car for 12.1 years in 2021 (only 12 percent, as per google).
>
> "According to the car shopping website iSeeCars.com 12.9%
> of all new-car buyers hold onto their purchases for a decade or longer,..."
>
>>Appears that in the future the electric cars will drive the average down.
>
>It would be ridiculous to extrapolate from the poorly selling Spark to
>all electric vehicles, based on the data you've gathered from this thread
>on a extremely-low-readership usenet newsgroup.
The second owner tends to hang on to them longer on average
(historically for i.c.e. vehicles)

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 by: Cindy Hamilton - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:29 UTC

On 2022-04-25, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
> Apples are not the same as Oranges. How many original owners kept their
> car for 12.1 years in 2021 (only 12 percent, as per google).

Interesting. I'm still driving the 2004 Toyota Highlander that we bought
used in 2008 or 2009.

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