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* repubs reject their QAnon bosses?bruce bowser
`* repubs reject their QAnon bosses?T
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 +* repubs reject their QAnon bosses?T
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 `- repubs reject their QAnon bosses?Roger Blake

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:21 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> > the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> > on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.

Proof, please.

Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
shred of credibility to your claim.

Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.

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On 4/27/2022 10:17 AM, Snag wrote:

>>>> No wait, you have convinced me!  I SEE THE LIGHT!  I
>>>> AM WOKE!  I AM OPEN MINDED NOW! PASS ME THE BULL
>>>> SHIT!  Wait????  Which bathroom do I use?  Why
>>>> do I have to talk dirty to five year olds?
>>>>
>>>> Got to listen to American Pravda (msnbc) at a
>>>> customer's site last month.  I remember some
>>>> of it too.  It went like this: "Racists, blah,
>>>> blah, racist, blah, racist, racist, blah, blah,
>>>> racist, blah ...".  I almost started counting
>>>> the "racist" remarks.  That you listen to such
>>>> hatred and outright lies should astound me
>>>> about you, but it does not.
>>>>
>>>> How is life in the open minded Volksgenossen, Ed?
>>>> Can I be a member too?  No?  I will live.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are a couple of folks here that are probably communists and
>>> spread this crap.  Then there are those like Ed that are duped by them.
>>>
>>> Candidly in e-s I k-file threads like this rather than waste my time
>>> in them but sometimes frittering away time I might in aioe.
>>
>> Well, T sets himself up for this stuff.  He is not willing to seek out
>> actual news, everything for him is filtered by the wacko right.
>>
>> Sure, some media slants one way or the other bust just because WAPO
>> reports about an election does not mean it did not happen.  Funny that
>> he has so much hatred he says he despises.
>
>   Why is it that any rejection of MSM's narrative is labeled "hate
> speech" ?

It isn't hat speech, it is stupidity. If NYT reports on a hurricane,
Mr. T would say its fake.

He makes thing up and exaggerates. Look at what he said above that he
has to talk dirty to five year olds. That is pure BS that his mind sees
as a fact. The far right censors says you can't talk about sex but no
one ever said they are going to. See the difference?

Yes, some media does have a left slant, just as others have a right
slant. Intelligent thinking people see it and can still see the facts
that are the root of the story.

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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:55 UTC

On 4/27/2022 10:44 AM, Frank wrote:

>> that he's not sure that Qanon even exists.
>
> I had never heard of it until the left brought it up and still know
> little about it or its followers.  Personally think that the left allows
> its far left to lead the party whereas the right does not allow the far
> right to take over.
>
> Also would put you in the duped crowd as you have been duped by their ad
> hominem tactics to vote for Biden who is doing stuff you hate.

You may be right that the left brought it up. Does the CIA brag openly
about their covet missions? So if QAnon is doing the sleazy stuff you
want would you bring it to the open?

I'm thinking T may even be Q give the single letter names they both like.

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 by: Frank - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:02 UTC

On 4/27/2022 10:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:44:20 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 4/27/2022 10:27 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:02:52 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2022 4:19 AM, T wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/22 20:47, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2022 10:49 PM, T wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/26/22 18:42, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pot, Kettle, Black
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> American Pravda is not a "media source". It is political
>>>>>>> propaganda. You repeat some of it yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-disinformation-examples-smollett-collusion-covington-rogan-media
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/pFSgg28.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you are the one spewing hatred to anyone"that dares"
>>>>>>> to defy your propaganda narratives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no narratives and no side. I do not like your leader/dictator
>>>>>> though. I do get a little snicker getting you agitated by telling
>>>>>> some truths.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would not know the "truth" if if hit you over
>>>>> the head. Propaganda narratives are not the "truth".
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are a liar. You constantly repeat lies, even
>>>>> when you have been show by me and others that they
>>>>> are lies. And you do it on purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/2FW4Qvm.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I still think your side made up QAnon, just like
>>>>>>> they did Russian Collusion, Lafayette Park, J6,
>>>>>>> Covingron, Smollett, Charlottesville, yada, yada,
>>>>>>> yada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, that is just your closed mind that will not seek out the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> No wait, you have convinced me! I SEE THE LIGHT! I
>>>>> AM WOKE! I AM OPEN MINDED NOW! PASS ME THE BULL
>>>>> SHIT! Wait???? Which bathroom do I use? Why
>>>>> do I have to talk dirty to five year olds?
>>>>>
>>>>> Got to listen to American Pravda (msnbc) at a
>>>>> customer's site last month. I remember some
>>>>> of it too. It went like this: "Racists, blah,
>>>>> blah, racist, blah, racist, racist, blah, blah,
>>>>> racist, blah ...". I almost started counting
>>>>> the "racist" remarks. That you listen to such
>>>>> hatred and outright lies should astound me
>>>>> about you, but it does not.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is life in the open minded Volksgenossen, Ed?
>>>>> Can I be a member too? No? I will live.
>>>>>
>>>> There are a couple of folks here that are probably communists and spread
>>>> this crap. Then there are those like Ed that are duped by them.
>>>>
>>>> Candidly in e-s I k-file threads like this rather than waste my time in
>>>> them but sometimes frittering away time I might in aioe.
>>>
>>> This is a good teaching moment. What do you allege Ed just did here?
>>> All I saw was that he pointed out to Mr.T the truth, that Qanon is real,
>>> that two Republican members of Congress, Boebert and Greene accept
>>> and spread the Qanon BS. Those are facts, so what exactly is your beef?
>>> And meanwhile no criticism for the jackass Mr. T that tried to peddle the BS
>>> that he's not sure that Qanon even exists.
>> I had never heard of it until the left brought it up and still know
>> little about it or its followers. Personally think that the left allows
>> its far left to lead the party whereas the right does not allow the far
>> right to take over.
>>
>> Also would put you in the duped crowd as you have been duped by their ad
>> hominem tactics to vote for Biden who is doing stuff you hate.
>
> None of that addressed the simple question I asked:
>
> What do you allege Ed just did here?
>
> You just started an ad hominem attack on him and now extended it to me.
> I'm asking why, what did Ed do that was wrong here, what did I do wrong?
> It would seem to me that if you don't know what Qanon is, then you should
> seek to find out the facts, instead of attacking Ed.
>

It is not ad hominem to suggest that you and Ed have been duped by the
leftist media.

I looked up Qanon and they are Trump supporters, unspecified, that
thought he was fighting the forces of Satan. Nutty but it is equally
nutty to believe that all Trump supporters think this way. I don't and
do not know anyone that does.

Look up Qanon wiki article then look at this:

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2022/04/27/wikipedia-bias-n2606403

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 by: trader_4 - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:26 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:02:56 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 10:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:44:20 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 4/27/2022 10:27 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:02:52 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>>> On 4/27/2022 4:19 AM, T wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/26/22 20:47, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/26/2022 10:49 PM, T wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 4/26/22 18:42, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pot, Kettle, Black
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> American Pravda is not a "media source". It is political
> >>>>>>> propaganda. You repeat some of it yourself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-disinformation-examples-smollett-collusion-covington-rogan-media
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://imgur.com/pFSgg28.png
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And you are the one spewing hatred to anyone"that dares"
> >>>>>>> to defy your propaganda narratives.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have no narratives and no side. I do not like your leader/dictator
> >>>>>> though. I do get a little snicker getting you agitated by telling
> >>>>>> some truths.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You would not know the "truth" if if hit you over
> >>>>> the head. Propaganda narratives are not the "truth".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And you are a liar. You constantly repeat lies, even
> >>>>> when you have been show by me and others that they
> >>>>> are lies. And you do it on purpose.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://imgur.com/2FW4Qvm.png
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And I still think your side made up QAnon, just like
> >>>>>>> they did Russian Collusion, Lafayette Park, J6,
> >>>>>>> Covingron, Smollett, Charlottesville, yada, yada,
> >>>>>>> yada.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope, that is just your closed mind that will not seek out the truth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No wait, you have convinced me! I SEE THE LIGHT! I
> >>>>> AM WOKE! I AM OPEN MINDED NOW! PASS ME THE BULL
> >>>>> SHIT! Wait???? Which bathroom do I use? Why
> >>>>> do I have to talk dirty to five year olds?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Got to listen to American Pravda (msnbc) at a
> >>>>> customer's site last month. I remember some
> >>>>> of it too. It went like this: "Racists, blah,
> >>>>> blah, racist, blah, racist, racist, blah, blah,
> >>>>> racist, blah ...". I almost started counting
> >>>>> the "racist" remarks. That you listen to such
> >>>>> hatred and outright lies should astound me
> >>>>> about you, but it does not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How is life in the open minded Volksgenossen, Ed?
> >>>>> Can I be a member too? No? I will live.
> >>>>>
> >>>> There are a couple of folks here that are probably communists and spread
> >>>> this crap. Then there are those like Ed that are duped by them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Candidly in e-s I k-file threads like this rather than waste my time in
> >>>> them but sometimes frittering away time I might in aioe.
> >>>
> >>> This is a good teaching moment. What do you allege Ed just did here?
> >>> All I saw was that he pointed out to Mr.T the truth, that Qanon is real,
> >>> that two Republican members of Congress, Boebert and Greene accept
> >>> and spread the Qanon BS. Those are facts, so what exactly is your beef?
> >>> And meanwhile no criticism for the jackass Mr. T that tried to peddle the BS
> >>> that he's not sure that Qanon even exists.
> >> I had never heard of it until the left brought it up and still know
> >> little about it or its followers. Personally think that the left allows
> >> its far left to lead the party whereas the right does not allow the far
> >> right to take over.
> >>
> >> Also would put you in the duped crowd as you have been duped by their ad
> >> hominem tactics to vote for Biden who is doing stuff you hate.
> >
> > None of that addressed the simple question I asked:
> >
> > What do you allege Ed just did here?
> >
> > You just started an ad hominem attack on him and now extended it to me.
> > I'm asking why, what did Ed do that was wrong here, what did I do wrong?
> > It would seem to me that if you don't know what Qanon is, then you should
> > seek to find out the facts, instead of attacking Ed.
> >
> It is not ad hominem to suggest that you and Ed have been duped by the
> leftist media.

It is when it's your response to Ed and me for simply pointing out the most
basic facts about Qanon, facts that are readily available.

>
> I looked up Qanon and they are Trump supporters, unspecified, that
> thought he was fighting the forces of Satan. Nutty but it is equally
> nutty to believe that all Trump supporters think this way. I don't and
> do not know anyone that does.

Neither Ed nor I nor anyone else in this thread said that all Trump
supporters are Qanon. In fact the thread started with this as part
of the original post:

A Quarter of Republicans Believe Central Views of QAnon Conspiracy Movement
US News & World Report - Feb 24, 2022
-- https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement

A quarter is not all, it's not even a majority, but it's a disturbingly high
percentage.

>
> Look up Qanon wiki article then look at this:
>
> https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2022/04/27/wikipedia-bias-n2606403

And? Another ad hominem attack? I scanned through the long Qanon wiki article.
It looks factual to me. What are you claiming there is wrong or not factual? It looks
like you're implying that because John Stossel claims wiki political posts lean left,
which may be true, that means what's there about Qanon isn't true. Yet what I see
conforms to what I know about Qanon. And it's not as if Wiki is the only source of
information on Qanon, so why immediately turn to trying to discredit what is there
without regard to whether it's correct or not? Also interesting is that you and Mr. T are
quick to claim something is wrong with various factual sources, yet you both claimed
here you don't know much about Qanon. See any problem there? So, what there
at Wiki is incorrect about Qanon?

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 by: Frank - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:30 UTC

On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>
> Proof, please.
>
> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> shred of credibility to your claim.
>
> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.

Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:40 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >
> > Proof, please.
> >
> > Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> > shred of credibility to your claim.
> >
> > Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.

What point did she make?

Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.

I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.

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 by: Frank - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:47 UTC

On 4/27/2022 12:40 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>>>
>>> Proof, please.
>>>
>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
>>>
>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
>
> What point did she make?
>
> Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
> more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
>
> I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
> did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.

What you are calling a claim, I think of as possible hype but I call it
a good possibility.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:40:18 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> > On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> > >> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > >>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> > >>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> > >>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> > >> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> > >
> > > Proof, please.
> > >
> > > Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> > > shred of credibility to your claim.
> > >
> > > Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> > Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> > just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> What point did she make?
>
> Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
> more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
>
> I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
> did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.

This is like the totally discredited claim that Jan 6th was a false flag operation,
done by Antifa. Now with 750+ arrests and AFAIK, not a single Antifa among
them, we don't hear that much anymore. All we have is a bunch of rabid right
wing Trump supporters, including Qanon, Proud Boys, and the Oath Keepers. .

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:47:44 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 12:40 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >>>
> >>> Proof, please.
> >>>
> >>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> >>> shred of credibility to your claim.
> >>>
> >>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> >> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> >> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> >
> > What point did she make?
> >
> > Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
> > more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
> >
> > I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
> > did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.
> What you are calling a claim, I think of as possible hype but I call it
> a good possibility.

Seriously? Calling it a "possibility" not only doesn't make it a "point", it doesn't
change the fact that it's a claim, by definition.

From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/claim

Claim: to say that something is true or is a fact, although you cannot prove it

Example: "The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party."

I promise to redefine that statement as a fact as soon as someone provides proof.

Your turn:

What "great point" did she make?

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On 2022-04-27, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> You do realize that the only time Republicans and
> Conservatives even hear about QAnon is from you
> guys?

The main thing I realize is that it is imperative to round up
and eradicate these Leftie/Communist scumbags. We'll never be
able to get on with our lives until they are disposed of. I am
100% serious about this. It is the only way to deal with
Communists.

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 by: Frank - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:38 UTC

On 4/27/2022 1:07 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:47:44 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 4/27/2022 12:40 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>>>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proof, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>>>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>>>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
>>>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
>>>
>>> What point did she make?
>>>
>>> Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
>>> more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
>>>
>>> I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
>>> did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.
>> What you are calling a claim, I think of as possible hype but I call it
>> a good possibility.
>
> Seriously? Calling it a "possibility" not only doesn't make it a "point", it doesn't
> change the fact that it's a claim, by definition.
>
> From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/claim
>
> Claim: to say that something is true or is a fact, although you cannot prove it
>
> Example: "The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party."
>
> I promise to redefine that statement as a fact as soon as someone provides proof.
>
> Your turn:
>
> What "great point" did she make?
>
>
Sorry, no more pissing in the wind for me.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:38:35 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 1:07 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:47:44 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 4/27/2022 12:40 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >>>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >>>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >>>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Proof, please.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> >>>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> >>>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> >>>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> >>>
> >>> What point did she make?
> >>>
> >>> Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
> >>> more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
> >>>
> >>> I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
> >>> did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.
> >> What you are calling a claim, I think of as possible hype but I call it
> >> a good possibility.
> >
> > Seriously? Calling it a "possibility" not only doesn't make it a "point", it doesn't
> > change the fact that it's a claim, by definition.
> >
> > From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/claim
> >
> > Claim: to say that something is true or is a fact, although you cannot prove it
> >
> > Example: "The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party."
> >
> > I promise to redefine that statement as a fact as soon as someone provides proof.
> >
> > Your turn:
> >
> > What "great point" did she make?
> >
> >
> Sorry, no more pissing in the wind for me.

As usual...can't answer a simple question so you run away. See ya!

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 by: Bob F - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:48 UTC

On 4/27/2022 8:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 10:17 AM, Snag wrote:
>
>>>>> No wait, you have convinced me!  I SEE THE LIGHT!  I
>>>>> AM WOKE!  I AM OPEN MINDED NOW! PASS ME THE BULL
>>>>> SHIT!  Wait????  Which bathroom do I use?  Why
>>>>> do I have to talk dirty to five year olds?
>>>>>
>>>>> Got to listen to American Pravda (msnbc) at a
>>>>> customer's site last month.  I remember some
>>>>> of it too.  It went like this: "Racists, blah,
>>>>> blah, racist, blah, racist, racist, blah, blah,
>>>>> racist, blah ...".  I almost started counting
>>>>> the "racist" remarks.  That you listen to such
>>>>> hatred and outright lies should astound me
>>>>> about you, but it does not.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is life in the open minded Volksgenossen, Ed?
>>>>> Can I be a member too?  No?  I will live.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are a couple of folks here that are probably communists and
>>>> spread this crap.  Then there are those like Ed that are duped by them.
>>>>
>>>> Candidly in e-s I k-file threads like this rather than waste my time
>>>> in them but sometimes frittering away time I might in aioe.
>>>
>>> Well, T sets himself up for this stuff.  He is not willing to seek
>>> out actual news, everything for him is filtered by the wacko right.
>>>
>>> Sure, some media slants one way or the other bust just because WAPO
>>> reports about an election does not mean it did not happen.  Funny
>>> that he has so much hatred he says he despises.
>>
>>    Why is it that any rejection of MSM's narrative is labeled "hate
>> speech" ?
>
> It isn't hat speech, it is stupidity.  If NYT reports on a hurricane,
> Mr. T would say its fake.
>
> He makes thing up and exaggerates.  Look at what he said above that he
> has to talk dirty to five year olds.  That is pure BS that his mind sees
> as a fact.  The far right censors says you can't talk about sex but no
> one ever said they are going to.  See the difference?
>
> Yes, some media does have a left slant, just as others have a right
> slant.  Intelligent thinking people see it and can still see the facts
> that are the root of the story.

The right has gone so far off the wacko right side of reality that
nothing they say is true. So, when the media speaks truth, to the wacko
right it has to be a lie. The media must be totally left wing, because
they keep telling the truth. Being a rightie today is rough, and that's
why they can't stop their snowflake whining about how unfair everyone
else is.

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 by: Frank - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:10 UTC

On 4/27/2022 1:42 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:38:35 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>> On 4/27/2022 1:07 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:47:44 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2022 12:40 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>>>>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>>>>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>>>>>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proof, please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>>>>>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>>>>>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
>>>>>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
>>>>>
>>>>> What point did she make?
>>>>>
>>>>> Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
>>>>> more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
>>>>> did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.
>>>> What you are calling a claim, I think of as possible hype but I call it
>>>> a good possibility.
>>>
>>> Seriously? Calling it a "possibility" not only doesn't make it a "point", it doesn't
>>> change the fact that it's a claim, by definition.
>>>
>>> From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/claim
>>>
>>> Claim: to say that something is true or is a fact, although you cannot prove it
>>>
>>> Example: "The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party."
>>>
>>> I promise to redefine that statement as a fact as soon as someone provides proof.
>>>
>>> Your turn:
>>>
>>> What "great point" did she make?
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry, no more pissing in the wind for me.
>
> As usual...can't answer a simple question so you run away. See ya!

Damn, you drew me back in. I can answer simple questions but cannot
answer a simpleton.

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 by: trader_4 - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:43 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:10:51 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 1:42 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:38:35 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >> On 4/27/2022 1:07 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:47:44 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>>> On 4/27/2022 12:40 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:31:01 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >>>>>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >>>>>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >>>>>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Proof, please.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> >>>>>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> >>>>>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> >>>>>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What point did she make?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Claiming that Qanon was started by the DNC is not a "point". It's nothing
> >>>>> more than ... wait for it ... a *claim*.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I asked for proof, not more speculation. "Well, they did this so they probably
> >>>>> did that." Now, there's a well thought out thesis.
> >>>> What you are calling a claim, I think of as possible hype but I call it
> >>>> a good possibility.
> >>>
> >>> Seriously? Calling it a "possibility" not only doesn't make it a "point", it doesn't
> >>> change the fact that it's a claim, by definition.
> >>>
> >>> From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/claim
> >>>
> >>> Claim: to say that something is true or is a fact, although you cannot prove it
> >>>
> >>> Example: "The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party."
> >>>
> >>> I promise to redefine that statement as a fact as soon as someone provides proof.
> >>>
> >>> Your turn:
> >>>
> >>> What "great point" did she make?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Sorry, no more pissing in the wind for me.
> >
> > As usual...can't answer a simple question so you run away. See ya!
> Damn, you drew me back in. I can answer simple questions but cannot
> answer a simpleton.

Failure again to answer the simple question noted. And it's BS claims like
this, with no evidence at all to support it, that the likes of Qanon thrive and
flourish on. Sadly it's pretty much a requirement today to believe the Trump
BS stolen election lie and further promote it to be a Republican. That's
why I'm glad I left. It's not a party anymore, it's the cult of Trump. Republicans
like McCarthy know the truth, but won't say it, instead they play to the crazed
cult, telling them the BS that they want to hear. He got caught, trying to smear
the NY Times authors as liars when they said McCarthy said right after Jan 6
that both houses would vote to remove Trump, that he had had it with "this guy",
that he would call on him to resign. Within days McCarthy sensed the landscape
was changing, that this was not what most of the cult wanted to hear, so he
flipped. Fortunately there is a tape of McCarthy saying it, so we know who
the real liars are. Now, I probably disagree with those authors politics, I don't
really know or care, because the facts are the facts and they proved it.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:02 UTC

Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
>On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>>
>> Proof, please.
>>
>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>> shred of credibility to your claim.
>>
>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>
>Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi

You're projecting again.

>just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.

Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/

Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was his place
to send to prosecutor.

"The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.

" First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."

"Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
also appears to have stymied the investigation."

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
(and still does).

So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
> >On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >>
> >> Proof, please.
> >>
> >> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> >> shred of credibility to your claim.
> >>
> >> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> >
> >Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> You're projecting again.
> >just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.
>
> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/
>
> Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was his place
> to send to prosecutor.
>
> "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
> that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
> it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
> coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
> to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.
>
>
> " First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
> the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
> impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."
>
> "Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
> also appears to have stymied the investigation."
>
> https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/
>
> Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
> (and still does).
>
> So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.

I'd like to see the evidence that Trump owed anything, let alone half a billion to Russia
or Russians. If that was the case, the usual media would have been screaming it endlessly,
24/7 for months. I heard a lot about looking, nothing about finding anything and I
followed this closer than most. The most involvement with Russia that anyone could
find was that Trump had a letter of intent to build a Trump tower project in Russia while
he was campaigning and denying that he had any business connections. But that's as
far as that got.

And for Frank, note that I asked for this, just like I do when anything comes up that
doesn't look factually correct, regardless of which side is involved. Also interesting
that you are on Trump and Russia loans again, when we just learned that there are
emails showing pappa Biden was going to pay Hunter's legal bills for one of
his China deals. You know, the deals that pappa swears he knew nothing about, had
nothing to do with. Meanwhile the Daily Mail newspaper says they tried to reconcile pappa's
govt financial disclosure documents with his income taxes and there is $5 mil in income
that doesn't show up on the disclosure and that they can't account for as to the source.
So we have emails showing pappa paying the legal bills on one China deal and emails
with Hunter saying 10% has to go to "the big guy" on another China deal. Nice, nothing
there folks, move along.

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trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> writes:
>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
>> >On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>> >>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> >>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>> >>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>> >>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>> >>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>> >>
>> >> Proof, please.
>> >>
>> >> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>> >> shred of credibility to your claim.
>> >>
>> >> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>> >
>> >Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
>> You're projecting again.
>> >just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
>> Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.
>>
>> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/
>>
>> Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was his place
>> to send to prosecutor.
>>
>> "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
>> that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
>> it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
>> coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
>> to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.
>>
>>
>> " First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
>> the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
>> impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."
>>
>> "Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
>> also appears to have stymied the investigation."
>>
>> https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/
>>
>> Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
>> (and still does).
>>
>> So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.
>
>I'd like to see the evidence that Trump owed anything, let alone half a billion to Russia
>or Russians. If that was the case, the usual media would have been screaming it endlessly,
>24/7 for months. I heard a lot about looking, nothing about finding anything and I
>followed this closer than most. The most involvement with Russia that anyone could
>find was that Trump had a letter of intent to build a Trump tower project in Russia while
>he was campaigning and denying that he had any business connections. But that's as
>far as that got.

Half a billion is hyperbole. However,

"But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
with knowledge of Trump's business, foreign money played a large
role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy
people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion
is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news
organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated
by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of
New York. It is a conclusion that even Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.,
has appeared to confirm, saying in 2008 after the Trump Organization
was prospering again - that Russians make up a pretty disproportionate
cross-section of a lot of our assets."

As Hunter's emails, what does that have to do with anything written above,
other than an attempt to distract. If he committed a crime, he'll be charged
and provided the opportunity to defend his actions in court.

I don't tar the father with the sins of the son, nor should anyone else.

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On 4/27/2022 6:26 PM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
>>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>>>>
>>>> Proof, please.
>>>>
>>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
>>>>
>>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>>>
>>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
>> You're projecting again.
>>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
>> Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.
>>
>> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/
>>
>> Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was his place
>> to send to prosecutor.
>>
>> "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
>> that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
>> it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
>> coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
>> to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.
>>
>>
>> " First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
>> the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
>> impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."
>>
>> "Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
>> also appears to have stymied the investigation."
>>
>> https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/
>>
>> Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
>> (and still does).
>>
>> So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.
>
> I'd like to see the evidence that Trump owed anything, let alone half a billion to Russia
> or Russians. If that was the case, the usual media would have been screaming it endlessly,
> 24/7 for months. I heard a lot about looking, nothing about finding anything and I
> followed this closer than most. The most involvement with Russia that anyone could
> find was that Trump had a letter of intent to build a Trump tower project in Russia while
> he was campaigning and denying that he had any business connections. But that's as
> far as that got.

I've not cared enough to follow any connections but it seems to have
made the news

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in
reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from
Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by
a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as
what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller
and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even
Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in
2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians
make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
ERIC TRUMP REPORTEDLY BRAGGED ABOUT ACCESS TO $100 MILLION IN RUSSIAN MONEY
“We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of
Russia.”

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On 4/27/2022 3:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/27/2022 6:26 PM, trader_4 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
>>>> On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>>>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
>>>>>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
>>>>>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
>>>>>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican
>>>>>> Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proof, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
>>>>> shred of credibility to your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
>>> You're projecting again.
>>>> just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
>>> Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.
>>>
>>> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/
>>>
>>>
>>> Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was
>>> his place
>>> to send to prosecutor.
>>>
>>> "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
>>> that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
>>> it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
>>> coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
>>> to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.
>>>
>>>
>>> " First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
>>> the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
>>> impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."
>>>
>>> "Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
>>> also appears to have stymied the investigation."
>>>
>>> https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/
>>>
>>>
>>> Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
>>> (and still does).
>>>
>>> So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.
>>
>> I'd like to see the evidence that Trump owed anything, let alone half
>> a billion to Russia
>> or Russians.  If that was the case, the usual media would have been
>> screaming it endlessly,
>> 24/7 for months.   I heard a lot about looking, nothing about finding
>> anything and I
>> followed this closer than most.  The most involvement with Russia that
>> anyone could
>> find was that Trump had a letter of intent to build a Trump tower
>> project in Russia while
>> he was campaigning and denying that he had any business connections.
>> But that's as
>> far as that got.
>
> I've not cared enough to follow any connections but it seems to have
> made the news
>
> https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
>
>
> But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
> with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in
> reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from
> Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by
> a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as
> what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller
> and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even
> Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in
> 2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians
> make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”
>
> https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
>
> ERIC TRUMP REPORTEDLY BRAGGED ABOUT ACCESS TO $100 MILLION IN RUSSIAN MONEY
> “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of
> Russia.”

There's a lot of laundry too.

And don't forget Jared's 2.2 billion deal. Hunter was such a piker.

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On 2022-04-27, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> I've not cared enough to follow any connections but it seems to have
> made the news
>
> https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
>
> But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
> with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in
> reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from
> Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by
> a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as
> what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller
> and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even
> Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in
> 2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians
> make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”
>
> https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
> ERIC TRUMP REPORTEDLY BRAGGED ABOUT ACCESS TO $100 MILLION IN RUSSIAN MONEY
> “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of
> Russia.”

Investments by Russian oligarchs don't precisely equate to loans.

I'm not a real estate development mogul, but I wouldn't touch Russian
money. I guess that's why I'm not a billionaire. Scruples.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:28 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
> >On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
> >> >On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >> >>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> >>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >> >>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >> >>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >> >>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >> >>
> >> >> Proof, please.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> >> >> shred of credibility to your claim.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> >> >
> >> >Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> >> You're projecting again.
> >> >just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> >> Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.
> >>
> >> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/
> >>
> >> Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was his place
> >> to send to prosecutor.
> >>
> >> "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
> >> that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
> >> it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
> >> coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
> >> to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.
> >>
> >>
> >> " First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
> >> the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
> >> impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."
> >>
> >> "Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
> >> also appears to have stymied the investigation."
> >>
> >> https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/
> >>
> >> Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
> >> (and still does).
> >>
> >> So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.
> >
> >I'd like to see the evidence that Trump owed anything, let alone half a billion to Russia
> >or Russians. If that was the case, the usual media would have been screaming it endlessly,
> >24/7 for months. I heard a lot about looking, nothing about finding anything and I
> >followed this closer than most. The most involvement with Russia that anyone could
> >find was that Trump had a letter of intent to build a Trump tower project in Russia while
> >he was campaigning and denying that he had any business connections. But that's as
> >far as that got.
> Half a billion is hyperbole. However,
>
> "But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
> with knowledge of Trump's business, foreign money played a large
> role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy
> people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion
> is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news
> organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated
> by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of
> New York. It is a conclusion that even Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.,
> has appeared to confirm, saying in 2008 after the Trump Organization
> was prospering again - that Russians make up a pretty disproportionate
> cross-section of a lot of our assets."
>
> As Hunter's emails, what does that have to do with anything written above,
> other than an attempt to distract. If he committed a crime, he'll be charged
> and provided the opportunity to defend his actions in court.
>
> I don't tar the father with the sins of the son, nor should anyone else.

That's just a repeat of old accusations that were never proven. I mean it's
pathetic to try to cite in April 2022 what is "reportedly being investigated
by Mueller", when that actual investigation was concluded long ago, the
report released and there was nothing in it about any financial ties between
Trump and Russia. The quote above from Don Jr, in context:

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia-2018-2

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008."

Clearly he was speaking about wealthy Russians buying properties in the US,
condos, etc that the Trump Organization was selling. You're just the Democrat
version of Mr. T, clinging to your own version of reality. And ignoring the actual
Biden stories that are breaking, eg that Joe Biden was paying the legal bills for
one of Hunter's China business deals, when he claimed to have no knowledge,
no involvement in any of them. Or that Hunter has now moved on to selling
paintings he does for $500K a piece and that the WH says that's A-OK because
who the buyers are will remain a secret. I mean that's so flagrantly wrong
and actually documented, but no complaints from you about that.

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 by: trader_4 - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 11:25 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:46:28 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
> >On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:02:41 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
> >> >On 4/27/2022 11:21 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-4, Karen wrote:
> >> >>> On 4/27/2022 9:45:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> >> >>>> No surprise there, you live in total denial. As if all the videos of
> >> >>>> the Qanon nuts, like the infamous Qanon shaman at the insurrection
> >> >>>> on Jan 6th were not available and seen by anyone who cared to look.
> >> >>> LOL! The Qnuts were created by the DNC to discredit the Republican Party. They're your team. Own 'em.
> >> >>
> >> >> Proof, please.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just the tiniest bit would be nice and go a long way to adding a
> >> >> shred of credibility to your claim.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's your opportunity. Seize the moment.
> >> >
> >> >Who knows? But, she makes a great point as it fits their modus operandi
> >> You're projecting again.
> >> >just like what they did with the the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.
> >> Except that wasn't a hoax - there was collusion.
> >>
> >> https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder/
> >>
> >> Mueller even found collusion in his report, but didn't feel it was his place
> >> to send to prosecutor.
> >>
> >> "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities
> >> that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely,
> >> it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates
> >> coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support
> >> to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities.
> >>
> >>
> >> " First, as the Report states, 'several individuals affiliated with
> >> the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and those lies materially
> >> impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."
> >>
> >> "Second, President Trump's interference in the investigation
> >> also appears to have stymied the investigation."
> >>
> >> https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/
> >>
> >> Note also that at the time, Trump owed a half billion dollars to Russia
> >> (and still does).
> >>
> >> So, as usual, Frank is wrong yet again.
> >
> >I'd like to see the evidence that Trump owed anything, let alone half a billion to Russia
> >or Russians. If that was the case, the usual media would have been screaming it endlessly,
> >24/7 for months. I heard a lot about looking, nothing about finding anything and I
> >followed this closer than most. The most involvement with Russia that anyone could
> >find was that Trump had a letter of intent to build a Trump tower project in Russia while
> >he was campaigning and denying that he had any business connections. But that's as
> >far as that got.
> Half a billion is hyperbole. However,
>
> "But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
> with knowledge of Trump's business, foreign money played a large
> role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy
> people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion
> is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news
> organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated
> by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of
> New York. It is a conclusion that even Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.,
> has appeared to confirm, saying in 2008 after the Trump Organization
> was prospering again - that Russians make up a pretty disproportionate
> cross-section of a lot of our assets."
>
> As Hunter's emails, what does that have to do with anything written above,
> other than an attempt to distract. If he committed a crime, he'll be charged
> and provided the opportunity to defend his actions in court.
>
> I don't tar the father with the sins of the son, nor should anyone else.

That's just a repeat of old accusations that were never proven. I mean it's
pathetic to try to cite in April 2022 what is "reportedly being investigated
by Mueller", when that actual investigation was concluded long ago, the
report released and there was nothing in it about any financial ties between
Trump and Russia. The quote above from Don Jr, in context:

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia-2018-2

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008."

Clearly he was speaking about wealthy Russians buying properties in the US,
condos, etc that the Trump Organization was selling. You're just the Democrat
version of Mr. T, clinging to your own version of reality. And ignoring the actual
Biden stories that are breaking, eg that Joe Biden was paying the legal bills for
one of Hunter's China business deals, when he claimed to have no knowledge,
no involvement in any of them. Or that Hunter has now moved on to selling
paintings he does for $500K a piece and that the WH says that's A-OK because
who the buyers are will remain a secret. I mean that's so flagrantly wrong
and actually documented, but no complaints from you about that.

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On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:32:25 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-04-27, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > I've not cared enough to follow any connections but it seems to have
> > made the news
> >
> > https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
> >
> > But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources
> > with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in
> > reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from
> > Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by
> > a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as
> > what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller
> > and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even
> > Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in
> > 2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians
> > make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”
> >
> > https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
> > ERIC TRUMP REPORTEDLY BRAGGED ABOUT ACCESS TO $100 MILLION IN RUSSIAN MONEY
> > “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of
> > Russia.”
> Investments by Russian oligarchs don't precisely equate to loans.
>
> I'm not a real estate development mogul, but I wouldn't touch Russian
> money. I guess that's why I'm not a billionaire. Scruples.
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

That statement attributed to Eric Trump was from one guy, a golf writer, who
claims that Eric said it one day on a golf course. Eric denies it. Who knows if
it's true, I mean we now know that Hillary and the Democrats not only paid for
the Steele Dossier, but actually had a Democrat hack feed Steele BS, rumors
heard from anywhere at best, that
Steele then misrepresented as coming from his contacts inside Russia. Steele
appeared to be an honest, credible, former British intel agent with extensive
experience with Russia. So if they can do that, how much credibility should be
given to some remark that some writer claims to have heard on a golf course
years ago? And when all this was thoroughly investigated by multiple agencies,
the Democrats, Mueller, the NYC DA, etc and they all came up with nothing.
And that was with Michael Cohen, who now hates Trump, telling them what Trump
had been up to, he had a front row seat during those periods. Yet the crazed
libs keep this up, just like the crazed right wingers have their sacred belief system.

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