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 by: T - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:41 UTC

Hi All,

I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer

https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-

https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf

I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
of the sink and inserted the strainer. Then tighten
the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.

It work for about five years, then the sink started
dripping again. The plumber's putty failed. I
went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
washer was damaged by the water.

I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
the friction washer, etc) to fix it again. What
should I do different this time? What did I
do wrong?

Many thanks,
-T

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:41:14 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
> with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
>
> https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
>
> https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
>
> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> of the sink and inserted the strainer. Then tighten
> the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
> the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
> cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
>
> It work for about five years, then the sink started
> dripping again. The plumber's putty failed. I
> went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
> washer was damaged by the water.
>
> I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
> the friction washer, etc) to fix it again. What
> should I do different this time? What did I
> do wrong?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

Maybe GE silicone would be a better sealant. Would some sort of thread
lubricant be a good idea to let things tighten down more?

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 by: Thomas - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 19:01 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:41:14 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
> > with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
> >
> > https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
> >
> > https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
> >
> > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > of the sink and inserted the strainer. Then tighten
> > the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
> > the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
> > cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
> >
> > It work for about five years, then the sink started
> > dripping again. The plumber's putty failed. I
> > went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
> > washer was damaged by the water.
> >
> > I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
> > the friction washer, etc) to fix it again. What
> > should I do different this time? What did I
> > do wrong?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > -T
> Maybe GE silicone would be a better sealant. Would some sort of thread
> lubricant be a good idea to let things tighten down more?
I forgo the putty on top and use rubber washers both top and bottom. Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless. 12 bucks

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 by: Thomas - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 19:09 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:41:14 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
> > > with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
> > >
> > > https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
> > >
> > > https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
> > >
> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer. Then tighten
> > > the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
> > > the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
> > > cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
> > >
> > > It work for about five years, then the sink started
> > > dripping again. The plumber's putty failed. I
> > > went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
> > > washer was damaged by the water.
> > >
> > > I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
> > > the friction washer, etc) to fix it again. What
> > > should I do different this time? What did I
> > > do wrong?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > -T
> > Maybe GE silicone would be a better sealant. Would some sort of thread
> > lubricant be a good idea to let things tighten down more?
> I forgo the putty on top and use rubber washers both top and bottom. Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper.
> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless. 12 bucks
Crap link. Do amazon and search moen 22036.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 19:34 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:41:14 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
> > > with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
> > >
> > > https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
> > >
> > > https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
> > >
> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer. Then tighten
> > > the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
> > > the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
> > > cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
> > >
> > > It work for about five years, then the sink started
> > > dripping again. The plumber's putty failed. I
> > > went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
> > > washer was damaged by the water.
> > >
> > > I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
> > > the friction washer, etc) to fix it again. What
> > > should I do different this time? What did I
> > > do wrong?
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > -T
> > Maybe GE silicone would be a better sealant. Would some sort of thread
> > lubricant be a good idea to let things tighten down more?
> I forgo the putty on top and use rubber washers both top and bottom. Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper.
> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless. 12 bucks

This link works...

https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ

I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?

Q&A's and reviews at Amazon are mixed as far as using putty. Some answers/reviews say that they
had leaks until they used putty.

In answer to a question at the Home Depot site a user named "Moen Plus Support" says to use putty.
(I have no idea who Moen Plus Support is.)

Q: Do both washers go under the sink ?
by Jim Apr 27, 2019

A: Hello Jim and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen Stainless Composite
Sink Drain/Strainer has a seal washer and a friction ring installed underneath the sink. You will
use plumber’s putty underneath the sink basket above the sink. If you have any additional question,
please contact us at 800-289-6636. Our business hours are 8:00 am – 7:00 pm Monday through
Friday EST.
by Moen Plus Support Nov 1, 2021

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Marilyn Manson <comawhiteknuckles@gmail.com> writes:
>On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:

>> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
>> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.

>https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
>
>I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?

Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> >
> >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.

Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
about putty.

*Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.

Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:

I quote one such review:

"There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > >
> > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals.. I know
> about putty.
>
> *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
>
> Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
>
> I quote one such review:
>
> "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
Answer:

Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more

Moen

 Manufacturer · January 10, 2019

I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > >
> > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > about putty.
> >
> > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> >
> > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> >
> > I quote one such review:
> >
> > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> Answer:
>
> Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
>
> Moen
>
> Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
>
> I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.

https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b

Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:32:52 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > about putty.
> > >
> > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > >
> > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > >
> > > I quote one such review:
> > >
> > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > Answer:
> >
> > Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
> >
> > Moen
> >
> > Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
> >
> > I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> > The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> > The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> > All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.
> https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b
>
> Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.

Frankly, I'm surprised that your installation doesn't leak, considering the off-center
placement of the gasket. Lucky you. Personally, I couldn't leave it like that, but to
each his own.

Most of the recent drain installs I've done have included garbage disposals, so I use
the parts that come with the GD. InSinkErators (my go-to brand) require putty. I did
a bathroom sink drain last year, used putty there too. Tub was a 15 years ago, putty
then too.

Never had a leak - porcelain, stainless steel or fiberglass.

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:32:52 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > about putty.
> > > >
> > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > >
> > > > I quote one such review:
> > > >
> > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > Answer:
> > >
> > > Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
> > >
> > > Moen
> > >
> > > Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
> > >
> > > I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> > > The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> > > The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> > > All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.
> > https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b
> >
> > Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.
> Frankly, I'm surprised that your installation doesn't leak, considering the off-center
> placement of the gasket. Lucky you. Personally, I couldn't leave it like that, but to
> each his own.
>
> Most of the recent drain installs I've done have included garbage disposals, so I use
> the parts that come with the GD. InSinkErators (my go-to brand) require putty. I did
> a bathroom sink drain last year, used putty there too. Tub was a 15 years ago, putty
> then too.
>
> Never had a leak - porcelain, stainless steel or fiberglass.
New counter, tile, oven soon. Not worried about that slight off center for now. Nothing new in the cart yet just in my mind. I too have done plenty of installs, that 1/32nd or less does not matter to me, it is mine. No luck involved.

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:32:52 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > about putty.
> > > >
> > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > >
> > > > I quote one such review:
> > > >
> > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > Answer:
> > >
> > > Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
> > >
> > > Moen
> > >
> > > Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
> > >
> > > I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> > > The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> > > The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> > > All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.
> > https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b
> >
> > Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.
> Frankly, I'm surprised that your installation doesn't leak, considering the off-center
> placement of the gasket. Lucky you. Personally, I couldn't leave it like that, but to
> each his own.

+1

This looks like a convenience thing. The seal is included, you don't take it home
then read the instructions and realize you need plumber's putty that you don't have.
It's also less messy, the putty oozes out as you tighten it, you have to clean it up
after. I'd go with the putty, it beds the flange in, it's invisible and I've never had one
leak, even after twenty years.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:32:52 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > > about putty.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > > >
> > > > > I quote one such review:
> > > > >
> > > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > > Answer:
> > > >
> > > > Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
> > > >
> > > > Moen
> > > >
> > > > Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
> > > >
> > > > I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> > > > The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> > > > The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> > > > All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.
> > > https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b
> > >
> > > Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.
> > Frankly, I'm surprised that your installation doesn't leak, considering the off-center
> > placement of the gasket. Lucky you. Personally, I couldn't leave it like that, but to
> > each his own.
> +1
>
> This looks like a convenience thing. The seal is included, you don't take it home
> then read the instructions and realize you need plumber's putty that you don't have.
> It's also less messy, the putty oozes out as you tighten it, you have to clean it up
> after.

I just consider the simple finger wipe as part of the process. Visibly confirming that
the putty oozed out all the way around gives me confidence that I've got a good seal.

While I've never used a gasket, Thomas's installation picture appears to indicate that
it takes some finesse to center the gasket properly. With putty, all you need to do
is ensure that the drain ring itself is centered, which it basically does by itself as you
snug it down. Easy enough to shift if it's off a little.

Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point, but I've still got about $1.75 worth
of putty in the $2.10 tub I bought last year. That's enough for quite a few drains. ;-)

> I'd go with the putty, it beds the flange in, it's invisible and I've never had one
> leak, even after twenty years.

+1

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:32:52 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > > > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > > > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > > > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > > > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > > > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > > > about putty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I quote one such review:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > > > Answer:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
> > > > >
> > > > > Moen
> > > > >
> > > > > Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> > > > > The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> > > > > The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> > > > > All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.
> > > > https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b
> > > >
> > > > Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.
> > > Frankly, I'm surprised that your installation doesn't leak, considering the off-center
> > > placement of the gasket. Lucky you. Personally, I couldn't leave it like that, but to
> > > each his own.
> > +1
> >
> > This looks like a convenience thing. The seal is included, you don't take it home
> > then read the instructions and realize you need plumber's putty that you don't have.
> > It's also less messy, the putty oozes out as you tighten it, you have to clean it up
> > after.
> I just consider the simple finger wipe as part of the process. Visibly confirming that
> the putty oozed out all the way around gives me confidence that I've got a good seal.
>
> While I've never used a gasket, Thomas's installation picture appears to indicate that
> it takes some finesse to center the gasket properly. With putty, all you need to do
> is ensure that the drain ring itself is centered, which it basically does by itself as you
> snug it down. Easy enough to shift if it's off a little.
>
> Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point, but I've still got about $1.75 worth
> of putty in the $2.10 tub I bought last year. That's enough for quite a few drains. ;-)

If you need to do them in some reasonable time period, like a few years maybe.
I rarely need the putty and whenever I do, wind up buying a new one because the old stuff
has dried out by then.

> > I'd go with the putty, it beds the flange in, it's invisible and I've never had one
> > leak, even after twenty years.
> +1

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 by: Thomas - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:50 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:56:44 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:02:57 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:32:52 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > > > > > Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > > > >On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > > > > > >> > > of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > > > > > >https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > > > > > Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > > > > > thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > > > > about putty.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I quote one such review:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > > > > Answer:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello and thank you for your interest in Moen products. The Moen 22036 3-1/2” Composite Kitchen sink Drain Assembly in Stainless is to be installed without plumbers putty and/or sealant. If you have additional questions, please feel free to call us at 800-289-6636. Our current business hours are Monday through Frida… see more
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Manufacturer · January 10, 2019
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a new one in the box. There are no instruction but the quote above from Moen was good enough for me.
> > > > > > The one in my porcelan sink has no putty. Been there for close to a year.
> > > > > > The sink is a double kitchen sink about 50 years old.
> > > > > > All drains in this sink that I used putty on got loose and leaked within a few months.
> > > > > https://postimg.cc/DmSbJX5b
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the drain in my sink. You can slightly see the gasket. I could have done better but did not care at that moment. I bought the second one for the other side. I am waiting for it to leak before replacing.
> > > > Frankly, I'm surprised that your installation doesn't leak, considering the off-center
> > > > placement of the gasket. Lucky you. Personally, I couldn't leave it like that, but to
> > > > each his own.
> > > +1
> > >
> > > This looks like a convenience thing. The seal is included, you don't take it home
> > > then read the instructions and realize you need plumber's putty that you don't have.
> > > It's also less messy, the putty oozes out as you tighten it, you have to clean it up
> > > after.
> > I just consider the simple finger wipe as part of the process. Visibly confirming that
> > the putty oozed out all the way around gives me confidence that I've got a good seal.
> >
> > While I've never used a gasket, Thomas's installation picture appears to indicate that
> > it takes some finesse to center the gasket properly. With putty, all you need to do
> > is ensure that the drain ring itself is centered, which it basically does by itself as you
> > snug it down. Easy enough to shift if it's off a little.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point, but I've still got about $1.75 worth
> > of putty in the $2.10 tub I bought last year. That's enough for quite a few drains. ;-)
> If you need to do them in some reasonable time period, like a few years maybe.
> I rarely need the putty and whenever I do, wind up buying a new one because the old stuff
> has dried out by then.
> > > I'd go with the putty, it beds the flange in, it's invisible and I've never had one
> > > leak, even after twenty years.
> > +1
I dig a bit of soft putty from underneath. I bought new putty with the double gasket drain at the same time.
I want to guess my previous putty leaks were from using old, barely making it putty.
So far so good with the top gasket. I have nothing against newer putty and now nothing against that top gasket.

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:44 UTC

On 25/4/2022 7:41 pm, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
> with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
>
> https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
>
> https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
>
>
> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> of the sink and inserted the strainer.  Then tighten
> the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
> the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
> cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
>
> It work for about five years, then the sink started
> dripping again.  The plumber's putty failed.  I
> went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
> washer was damaged by the water.
>
> I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
> the friction washer, etc) to fix it again.  What
> should I do different this time?  What did I
> do wrong?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

If you need to use a sealer, you're doing something wrong. The rubber
washer *is* the seal.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:45 UTC

On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
>>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
>>>
>>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
>> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
>> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
>
> Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> about putty.
>
> *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
>
> Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
>
> I quote one such review:
>
> "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."

That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.

--
Xeno

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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On 4/27/22 20:44, Xeno wrote:
> On 25/4/2022 7:41 pm, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
>> with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
>>
>> https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
>>
>> https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
>>
>>
>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.  Then tighten
>> the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
>> the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
>> cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
>>
>> It work for about five years, then the sink started
>> dripping again.  The plumber's putty failed.  I
>> went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
>> washer was damaged by the water.
>>
>> I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
>> the friction washer, etc) to fix it again.  What
>> should I do different this time?  What did I
>> do wrong?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
> If you need to use a sealer, you're doing something wrong. The rubber
> washer *is* the seal.
>

Uh Oh, I put the rubber washer UNDER the sink. Seems way
to think to go above the sink.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 00:08 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:01:01 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
> On 4/27/22 20:44, Xeno wrote:
> > On 25/4/2022 7:41 pm, T wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I replaced my sink strainer on my stainless steel sink
> >> with a Jaclo 2806-PCH Duo Strainer
> >>
> >> https://www.jaclo.com/detail/brass-duo-strainer-for-kitchen-sinks-2806-
> >>
> >> https://www.papernetsolutions.com/CatV3/PDFS/306/WebCutSheets/2806-_JACLO___Cut_Sheet.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> >> of the sink and inserted the strainer. Then tighten
> >> the YUGE nut underneath the sink. (Yes, I remembered
> >> the rubber washer and the friction washer.) Then
> >> cleaned up the plumber's putty that squeezed out.
> >>
> >> It work for about five years, then the sink started
> >> dripping again. The plumber's putty failed. I
> >> went to tighten the YUGE nut, but the friction
> >> washer was damaged by the water.
> >>
> >> I have the replacements parts (rubber washer and
> >> the friction washer, etc) to fix it again. What
> >> should I do different this time? What did I
> >> do wrong?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> -T
> >
> > If you need to use a sealer, you're doing something wrong. The rubber
> > washer *is* the seal.
> >
> Uh Oh, I put the rubber washer UNDER the sink. Seems way
> to think to go above the sink.

You'll never seal the drain unless you use a rubber washer *under* the sink.

Unless the drain you bought came with 2 rubber washers, it sounds like
a standard install.

The rubber washer goes underneath the sink, putty is used above.

Thomas mentioned a Moen unit that come with 2 washers, which eliminates
the need for putty, but most drain kits just come with 1. That washer *must* go
under the sink.

See here:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 00:09 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> >>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> >>>
> >>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> >> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> >> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> >
> > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > about putty.
> >
> > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> >
> > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> >
> > I quote one such review:
> >
> > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
> --
> Xeno
>
"That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.

Most other drain kits require putty.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install

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 by: Thomas - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 01:39 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> > On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > >> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > >>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > >>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > >>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > >> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > >> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > >
> > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > about putty.
> > >
> > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > >
> > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > >
> > > I quote one such review:
> > >
> > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
> > --
> > Xeno
> >
> "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
>
> Most other drain kits require putty.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install
They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My new belief at least.
You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut. If the top rotated as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.
If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.

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 by: Marilyn Manson - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:06 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:39:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> > > On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > >> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > >>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > >>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > >>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > >> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > >> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > >
> > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > about putty.
> > > >
> > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > >
> > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > >
> > > > I quote one such review:
> > > >
> > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
> > > --
> > > Xeno
> > >
> > "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
> >
> > Most other drain kits require putty.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install

Maybe you didn't catch my drift, but I was defending you. Maybe you missed the post
where I even said "Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point."

However, as long you commented, I'll respond.

> They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My new belief at least.

Wait... didn't you say the opposite in your first response?

"Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."

AFAIK it's been putty of some type since the dawn of plumbing. Not because it's cheaper but
because it works.

> You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut. If the top rotated
> as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.

While I never suggested using putty on the bottom, I do not agree with your "putty would
not be sold comment".

The top absolutely does rotate. Just "Ask This Old House"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWxn4kHzwY&t=260s

If you ever installed a garbage disposal and wanted the text on the drain to face forward,
you'd know that they do in fact rotate.

https://i.imgur.com/uJmqF0J.jpg

> If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.

My comment related to the "error" was not a comment against the use of a gasket. It was
that you created a lip that will catch debris on one side and may not have fully sealed the
other side. That's why I said you got lucky.

In addition, it appears from the image that you posted that part of the drain is not fully seated
on the sink. It *can't* be because it is being held up by the gasket. That's another reason why I
think you got lucky.

https://i.imgur.com/HDXw5pD.jpg

I've basically got nothing against the Moen gasket. Like I said, I may even try it sometime. However,
I've also got no reason to change since I know that putty works and is still the recommended method
for the types of drains that I've installed.

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 by: Thomas - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:15 UTC

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 5:06:19 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:39:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> > > > On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > >> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > >>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > >>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > >>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > >> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > >> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > >
> > > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > > about putty.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > > >
> > > > > I quote one such review:
> > > > >
> > > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > > That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
> > > > --
> > > > Xeno
> > > >
> > > "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
> > >
> > > Most other drain kits require putty.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install
> Maybe you didn't catch my drift, but I was defending you. Maybe you missed the post
> where I even said "Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point."
>
> However, as long you commented, I'll respond.
> > They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My new belief at least.
> Wait... didn't you say the opposite in your first response?
> "Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."
> AFAIK it's been putty of some type since the dawn of plumbing. Not because it's cheaper but
> because it works.
> > You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut. If the top rotated
> > as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.
> While I never suggested using putty on the bottom, I do not agree with your "putty would
> not be sold comment".
>
> The top absolutely does rotate. Just "Ask This Old House"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWxn4kHzwY&t=260s
>
> If you ever installed a garbage disposal and wanted the text on the drain to face forward,
> you'd know that they do in fact rotate.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/uJmqF0J.jpg
> > If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.
> My comment related to the "error" was not a comment against the use of a gasket. It was
> that you created a lip that will catch debris on one side and may not have fully sealed the
> other side. That's why I said you got lucky.
>
> In addition, it appears from the image that you posted that part of the drain is not fully seated
> on the sink. It *can't* be because it is being held up by the gasket. That's another reason why I
> think you got lucky.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/HDXw5pD.jpg
>
> I've basically got nothing against the Moen gasket. Like I said, I may even try it sometime. However,
> I've also got no reason to change since I know that putty works and is still the recommended method
> for the types of drains that I've installed.
"Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."

By cheaper I only meant cheaper than the 100 bucks the op spent on a drain.
Maybe I did get lucky. It is my first top gasket. I should move it right now but if it then leaked I would hate myself. I would have to take it all the way off and use the unopened putty.
My appologies if I came off rude.

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On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 5:15:45 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 5:06:19 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:39:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> > > > > On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > > > > >> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > >>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> > > > > >>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> > > > > >>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
> > > > > >> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
> > > > > >> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
> > > > > > about putty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
> > > > > > putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I quote one such review:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
> > > > > > for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
> > > > > > two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
> > > > > > sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
> > > > > > sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> > > > > That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Xeno
> > > > >
> > > > "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
> > > >
> > > > Most other drain kits require putty.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install
> > Maybe you didn't catch my drift, but I was defending you. Maybe you missed the post
> > where I even said "Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point."
> >
> > However, as long you commented, I'll respond.
> > > They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My new belief at least.
> > Wait... didn't you say the opposite in your first response?
> > "Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."
> > AFAIK it's been putty of some type since the dawn of plumbing. Not because it's cheaper but
> > because it works.
> > > You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut. If the top rotated
> > > as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.
> > While I never suggested using putty on the bottom, I do not agree with your "putty would
> > not be sold comment".
> >
> > The top absolutely does rotate. Just "Ask This Old House"
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWxn4kHzwY&t=260s
> >
> > If you ever installed a garbage disposal and wanted the text on the drain to face forward,
> > you'd know that they do in fact rotate.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/uJmqF0J.jpg
> > > If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.
> > My comment related to the "error" was not a comment against the use of a gasket. It was
> > that you created a lip that will catch debris on one side and may not have fully sealed the
> > other side. That's why I said you got lucky.
> >
> > In addition, it appears from the image that you posted that part of the drain is not fully seated
> > on the sink. It *can't* be because it is being held up by the gasket. That's another reason why I
> > think you got lucky.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/HDXw5pD.jpg
> >
> > I've basically got nothing against the Moen gasket. Like I said, I may even try it sometime. However,
> > I've also got no reason to change since I know that putty works and is still the recommended method
> > for the types of drains that I've installed.
> "Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."
> By cheaper I only meant cheaper than the 100 bucks the op spent on a drain.

I see. I did not make that connection. Sorry.

> Maybe I did get lucky. It is my first top gasket. I should move it right now but if it then leaked I would hate myself. I would have to take it all the way off and use the unopened putty.
> My appologies if I came off rude.

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On 4/29/2022 2:06 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:39:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
>>>>>>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation guide?
>>>>>> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need a fairly
>>>>>> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since drain basket.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage disposals. I know
>>>>> about putty.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that replaces the
>>>>> putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can verify that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra washer:
>>>>>
>>>>> I quote one such review:
>>>>>
>>>>> "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers putty or silicone
>>>>> for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns out, Moen supplies
>>>>> two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes inside the
>>>>> sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it goes under the
>>>>> sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
>>>> That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
>>>> --
>>>> Xeno
>>>>
>>> "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
>>>
>>> Most other drain kits require putty.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install
>
> Maybe you didn't catch my drift, but I was defending you. Maybe you missed the post
> where I even said "Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point."
>
> However, as long you commented, I'll respond.
>
>> They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My new belief at least.
>
> Wait... didn't you say the opposite in your first response?
>
> "Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."
>
> AFAIK it's been putty of some type since the dawn of plumbing. Not because it's cheaper but
> because it works.
>
>> You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut. If the top rotated
>> as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.
>
> While I never suggested using putty on the bottom, I do not agree with your "putty would
> not be sold comment".
>
> The top absolutely does rotate. Just "Ask This Old House"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWxn4kHzwY&t=260s
>
> If you ever installed a garbage disposal and wanted the text on the drain to face forward,
> you'd know that they do in fact rotate.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/uJmqF0J.jpg
>
>> If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.
>
> My comment related to the "error" was not a comment against the use of a gasket. It was
> that you created a lip that will catch debris on one side and may not have fully sealed the
> other side. That's why I said you got lucky.
>
> In addition, it appears from the image that you posted that part of the drain is not fully seated
> on the sink. It *can't* be because it is being held up by the gasket. That's another reason why I
> think you got lucky.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/HDXw5pD.jpg
>
> I've basically got nothing against the Moen gasket. Like I said, I may even try it sometime. However,
> I've also got no reason to change since I know that putty works and is still the recommended method
> for the types of drains that I've installed.

I have never in my 72 years needed to do repairs because of failed putty
in this situation. The stuff has worked as long as I've lived.

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