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* Will David take over the Palace on The Rock?Ed Pawlowski
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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Wed, 14 Dec 2022 22:33 UTC

‘Last Hawaiian princess’ dies at 96

Kawananakoa was living reminder of monarchy

Jennifer Sinco Kelleher

ASSOCIATED PRESS

HONOLULU – Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawananakoa, the so-called last
Hawaiian princess whose lineage included the royal family that once
ruled the islands and an Irish businessman who became one of Hawaii’s
largest landowners, died on Sunday. She was 96.

Her death was announced Monday morning at ‘Iolani Palace, America’s only
royal residence where the Hawaiian monarchy dwelled but now serves
mostly as a museum. The announcement came from Paula Akana, executive
director of ‘Iolani Palace, and Hailama Farden, of Hale O Na Ali‘i O
Hawai‘i, a royal Hawaiian society.

No cause of death was given.

She held no formal title but was a living reminder of Hawaii’s monarchy
and a symbol of Hawaiian national identity that endured after the
kingdom was overthrown by American businessmen in 1893.

'She was always called princess among Hawaiians because Hawaiians have
acknowledged that lineage,' Kimo Alama Keaulana, assistant professor of
Hawaiian language and studies at Honolulu Community College, said in a
2018 interview. 'Hawaiians hold dear to genealogy. And so genealogically
speaking, she is of high royal blood.'

He called her 'the last of our alii,' using the Hawaiian word for
royalty: 'She epitomizes what Hawaiian royalty is – in all its dignity
and intelligence and art.'

James Campbell, her great-grandfather, was an Irish businessman who made
his fortune as a sugar plantation owner and one of Hawaii’s largest
landowners.

He married Abigail Kuaihelani Maipinepine Bright. Their daughter,
Abigail Campbell Kawananakoa, married Prince David Kawananakoa, who was
named an heir to the throne.

After the prince died, his widow adopted young Abigail, which
strengthened her claim to a princess title. She acknowledged in an
interview with Honolulu Magazine in 2021 that had the monarchy survived,
her cousin Edward Kawananakoa would be in line to be the ruler, not her.

'Of course, I would be the power behind the throne, there’s no question
about that,' she joked.

As an only child of an only child, Kawananakoa received more Campbell
money than anyone else and amassed a trust valued at about $215million.

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 by: dsi1 - Wed, 14 Dec 2022 23:44 UTC

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 12:33:55 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ‘Last Hawaiian princess’ dies at 96
>
> Kawananakoa was living reminder of monarchy
>
> Jennifer Sinco Kelleher
>
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> HONOLULU – Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawananakoa, the so-called last
> Hawaiian princess whose lineage included the royal family that once
> ruled the islands and an Irish businessman who became one of Hawaii’s
> largest landowners, died on Sunday. She was 96.
>
> Her death was announced Monday morning at ‘Iolani Palace, America’s only
> royal residence where the Hawaiian monarchy dwelled but now serves
> mostly as a museum. The announcement came from Paula Akana, executive
> director of ‘Iolani Palace, and Hailama Farden, of Hale O Na Ali‘i O
> Hawai‘i, a royal Hawaiian society.
>
> No cause of death was given.
>
> She held no formal title but was a living reminder of Hawaii’s monarchy
> and a symbol of Hawaiian national identity that endured after the
> kingdom was overthrown by American businessmen in 1893.
>
> 'She was always called princess among Hawaiians because Hawaiians have
> acknowledged that lineage,' Kimo Alama Keaulana, assistant professor of
> Hawaiian language and studies at Honolulu Community College, said in a
> 2018 interview. 'Hawaiians hold dear to genealogy. And so genealogically
> speaking, she is of high royal blood.'
>
> He called her 'the last of our alii,' using the Hawaiian word for
> royalty: 'She epitomizes what Hawaiian royalty is – in all its dignity
> and intelligence and art.'
>
> James Campbell, her great-grandfather, was an Irish businessman who made
> his fortune as a sugar plantation owner and one of Hawaii’s largest
> landowners.
>
> He married Abigail Kuaihelani Maipinepine Bright. Their daughter,
> Abigail Campbell Kawananakoa, married Prince David Kawananakoa, who was
> named an heir to the throne.
>
> After the prince died, his widow adopted young Abigail, which
> strengthened her claim to a princess title. She acknowledged in an
> interview with Honolulu Magazine in 2021 that had the monarchy survived,
> her cousin Edward Kawananakoa would be in line to be the ruler, not her.
>
> 'Of course, I would be the power behind the throne, there’s no question
> about that,' she joked.
>
> As an only child of an only child, Kawananakoa received more Campbell
> money than anyone else and amassed a trust valued at about $215million.

Whenever there's talk of Hawaiian Sovereignty, the big joke is that everybody claims to be a descendant of King Kamehameha and the rightful heir to the throne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0I2vsjZq-g

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 by: Sqwertz - Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:05 UTC

On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:33:49 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> ‘Last Hawaiian princess’ dies at 96
....
> HONOLULU – Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawananakoa, the so-called last
> Hawaiian princess whose lineage included the royal family that once
> ruled the islands and an Irish businessman who became one of Hawaii’s
> largest landowners, died on Sunday. She was 96.

I don't get it. Was she Hawaiian or Irish? Was she a businessman
or was he a businesswoman?

But I'm pretty sure they wont allow any Japanese haole peasant
occupy the palace.

-sw

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 by: Bruce - Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:32 UTC

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 02:05:14 -0600, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:33:49 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> ‘Last Hawaiian princess’ dies at 96
>...
>> HONOLULU – Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawananakoa, the so-called last
>> Hawaiian princess whose lineage included the royal family that once
>> ruled the islands and an Irish businessman who became one of Hawaii’s
>> largest landowners, died on Sunday. She was 96.
>
>I don't get it. Was she Hawaiian or Irish?

Most people have 2 parents.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

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 by: Michael Trew - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 03:36 UTC

On 12/15/2022 3:05, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:33:49 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> ‘Last Hawaiian princess’ dies at 96
> ...
>> HONOLULU – Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawananakoa, the so-called last
>> Hawaiian princess whose lineage included the royal family that once
>> ruled the islands and an Irish businessman who became one of Hawaii’s
>> largest landowners, died on Sunday. She was 96.
>
> I don't get it. Was she Hawaiian or Irish? Was she a businessman
> or was he a businesswoman?
>
> But I'm pretty sure they wont allow any Japanese haole peasant
> occupy the palace.
>
> -sw

Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.

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 by: Leonard Blaisdell - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:22 UTC

On 2022-12-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Most people have 2 parents.

Today, one can identify as both a man and a woman. It takes a man and a
woman to create a child. So...having sex with oneself can create a
child. Let's call them clones. It didn't used to be that way, but
"science" has evolved.
One member of our Supreme Court can't argue that point. Can you?

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 by: Bruce - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:54 UTC

On 16 Dec 2022 09:22:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2022-12-15, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Most people have 2 parents.
>
>
>Today, one can identify as both a man and a woman. It takes a man and a
>woman to create a child. So...having sex with oneself can create a
>child. Let's call them clones. It didn't used to be that way, but
>"science" has evolved.
>One member of our Supreme Court can't argue that point. Can you?

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'd only worry about things that
affect your daily life.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

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 by: songbird - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 13:27 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:
....
> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.

that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
things that aren't really important to the reply.

usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.

songbird

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 by: jmcquown - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 16:19 UTC

On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
> ...
>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>
> that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>
> usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>
>
> songbird

No, he's talking about the visual font change.

Jill

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 by: Cindy Hamilton - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 16:40 UTC

On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>> ...
>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>
>> that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>
>> usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>>
>>
>> songbird
>
>
> No, he's talking about the visual font change.

What visual font change? I didn't see it in slrn nor at
Google Groups.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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 by: Gary - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 16:43 UTC

On 12/16/2022 11:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
>>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>>
>>> that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>>
>>> usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird
>>
>>
>> No, he's talking about the visual font change.
>
> What visual font change? I didn't see it in slrn nor at
> Google Groups.

It was different. Rather than posting in plain text, it was posted using
HTML. That's my guess.

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 by: jmcquown - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 16:57 UTC

On 12/16/2022 11:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
>>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>>
>>> that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>>
>>> usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird
>>
>>
>> No, he's talking about the visual font change.
>
> What visual font change? I didn't see it in slrn nor at
> Google Groups.
>
The font looked different on my screen but still perfectly readable.

Jill

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 by: S Viemeister - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:44 UTC

On 16/12/2022 16:40, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
>>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>>
>>> that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>>
>>> usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird
>>
>>
>> No, he's talking about the visual font change.
>
> What visual font change? I didn't see it in slrn nor at
> Google Groups.
>
I sometimes see it.

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 by: jmcquown - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:49 UTC

On 12/16/2022 1:44 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 16/12/2022 16:40, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts?  I don't know
>>>>> how
>>>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>>>
>>>>     that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>>>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>>>
>>>>     usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     songbird
>>>
>>>
>>> No, he's talking about the visual font change.
>>
>> What visual font change?  I didn't see it in slrn nor at
>> Google Groups.
>>
> I sometimes see it.

Same here. It's not often enough to bother me. It is still legible but
appears as a different type font.

Jill

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Gary wrote:
....
> It was different. Rather than posting in plain text, it was posted using
> HTML. That's my guess.

not here, i would only see it as text.

songbird

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 by: heyjoe - Fri, 16 Dec 2022 21:44 UTC

Cindy Hamilton wrote :

> What visual font change? I didn't see it in slrn nor at
> Google Groups.

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5"

--
Growing old happens.
Growing up is optional.

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 by: Hank Rogers - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 00:19 UTC

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 1:44 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 16/12/2022 16:40, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts?  I
>>>>>> don't know how
>>>>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>>>>
>>>>>     that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>>>>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>     usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     songbird
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, he's talking about the visual font change.
>>>
>>> What visual font change?  I didn't see it in slrn nor at
>>> Google Groups.
>>>
>> I sometimes see it.
>
> Same here.  It's not often enough to bother me.  It is still
> legible but appears as a different type font.
>
> Jill

I use the Dataw Royal font. It renders perfectly.

Quit whining your majesty.

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 by: Michael Trew - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 01:47 UTC

On 12/16/2022 11:57, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 11:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-12-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2022 8:27 AM, songbird wrote:
>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> Why do you do this to the font on some of your posts? I don't know how
>>>>> to fix it, and it's rather difficult to look at.
>>>>
>>>> that's called properly quoting a post and editing out
>>>> things that aren't really important to the reply.
>>>>
>>>> usenet ettiquette from a forgotten age.

Pardon? I always snip irrelevant things, but I try to leave enough for
context. That had no relevance to my question.

I didn't know how to change the font back to normal.

>>> No, he's talking about the visual font change.
>>
>> What visual font change? I didn't see it in slrn nor at
>> Google Groups.

It was visible in Thunderbird. From time to time, random Steve posts
have a different font, for no apparent reason.

> The font looked different on my screen but still perfectly readable.

Readable, but I didn't like it; it wasn't easy on the eyes.

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 by: songbird - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:19 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:
....
> Pardon? I always snip irrelevant things, but I try to leave enough for
> context. That had no relevance to my question.
>
> I didn't know how to change the font back to normal.

if there is a setting that allows you to read plain text
only (and to ignore HTML) that might then prevent things
from changing.

....

songbird

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 by: Hank Rogers - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:43 UTC

songbird wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
> ...
>> Pardon? I always snip irrelevant things, but I try to leave enough for
>> context. That had no relevance to my question.
>>
>> I didn't know how to change the font back to normal.
>
> if there is a setting that allows you to read plain text
> only (and to ignore HTML) that might then prevent things
> from changing.
>
> ...
>
> songbird
>

Exactly. I can vouch that seamonkey has that ability, so
thunderbird too, since the former uses older thunderbird code.

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 by: Michael Trew - Sun, 18 Dec 2022 00:50 UTC

On 12/16/2022 21:43, Hank Rogers wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't know how to change the font back to normal.
>>
>> if there is a setting that allows you to read plain text only (and
>> to ignore HTML) that might then prevent things from changing.
>
> Exactly. I can vouch that seamonkey has that ability, so thunderbird
> too, since the former uses older thunderbird code.

Thanks guys, I dug though Tools > Options > etc. until I found the
option to "allow messages to use other fonts" -- then turned it off.

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 by: songbird - Sun, 18 Dec 2022 16:15 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:
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> Thanks guys, I dug though Tools > Options > etc. until I found the
> option to "allow messages to use other fonts" -- then turned it off.

welcome.

on some systems there is a global override for fonts because if
you can't see for shit and have them shown as extra large just to
be able to read at all you don't want someone else to come along
and turn them back to tiny and unreadable all over again.

songbird (thankful for larger more energy efficient monitors


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