200 packets of Cholula.
https://www.amazon.com/Cholula-Hot-Sauce-ORIGINAL-PACKS/dp/B01DQ7F42C

--Bryan

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:21:26 PM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 200 packets of Cholula.
> https://www.amazon.com/Cholula-Hot-Sauce-ORIGINAL-PACKS/dp/B01DQ7F42C
>
> --Bryan
>
Did you buy the packets instead of the bottle for camping trips?

On 12/15/2022 19:21, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> 200 packets of Cholula.
> https://www.amazon.com/Cholula-Hot-Sauce-ORIGINAL-PACKS/dp/B01DQ7F42C
>
> --Bryan

What a waste of packaging, when the sauce could simply be bottled
without introducing tons of throw-away plastic into the environment.

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 10:20:26 PM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 12/15/2022 19:21, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > 200 packets of Cholula.
> > https://www.amazon.com/Cholula-Hot-Sauce-ORIGINAL-PACKS/dp/B01DQ7F42C
> >
> > --Bryan
> What a waste of packaging, when the sauce could simply be bottled
> without introducing tons of throw-away plastic into the environment.
>
It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
$39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
or 62 cents per ounce?

--Bryan

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:27:12 AM UTC-5, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 10:20:26 PM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 12/15/2022 19:21, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > 200 packets of Cholula.
> > > https://www.amazon.com/Cholula-Hot-Sauce-ORIGINAL-PACKS/dp/B01DQ7F42C
> > >
> > > --Bryan
> > What a waste of packaging, when the sauce could simply be bottled
> > without introducing tons of throw-away plastic into the environment.
> >
> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> or 62 cents per ounce?
>
> --Bryan
I once emailed Liquid Smoke a request for samples due to a burn ban and I was a hiker.
They sent me case of asst glass bottles. I still have a couple.

Bryan Simmons wrote:
....
> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> or 62 cents per ounce?

it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
tacos.

songbird

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:28:06 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> ...
> > It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> > It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> > used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> > $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> > or 62 cents per ounce?
> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
> tacos.
>
If anyone could knock off Cholula cheaply, they
would.
>
> songbird

--Bryan

On 12/16/2022 8:02 AM, songbird wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> ...
>> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
>> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
>> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
>> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
>> or 62 cents per ounce?
>
> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
> tacos.

Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
evil.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 8:02 AM, songbird wrote:
> > Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > ...
> >> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> >> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> >> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> >> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> >> or 62 cents per ounce?
> >
> > it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
> > me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
> > tacos.
> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
> evil.
>
The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
or anything of the like is goofy.

--Bryan

On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>> On 12/16/2022 8:02 AM, songbird wrote:
>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
>>>> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
>>>> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
>>>> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
>>>> or 62 cents per ounce?
>>>
>>> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
>>> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
>>> tacos.
>> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
>> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
>> evil.
>>
> The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
> or anything of the like is goofy.
>
> --Bryan

I remember years ago, someone asked for a recipe to make your own
Diet Coke. Silly. Just buy some.

In my own experience, I like the "Jiffy Corn Bread." So darn cheap and
simple to buy a box and enjoy it. Why make cornbread from scratch just
to try to match that recipe?

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:38:02 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2022 8:02 AM, songbird wrote:
> >>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> >>>> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> >>>> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> >>>> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> >>>> or 62 cents per ounce?
> >>>
> >>> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
> >>> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
> >>> tacos.
> >> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
> >> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
> >> evil.
> >>
> > The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
> > or anything of the like is goofy.
> >
> > --Bryan
> I remember years ago, someone asked for a recipe to make your own
> Diet Coke. Silly. Just buy some.
>
> In my own experience, I like the "Jiffy Corn Bread." So darn cheap and
> simple to buy a box and enjoy it. Why make cornbread from scratch just
> to try to match that recipe?
>
There's no such thing as "Jiffy Corn Bread."
Jiffy is corn *muffin* mix. It is sweet. Sure,
folks usually put a little sugar in cornbread,
but not like in muffins.

--Bryan

On 12/16/2022 11:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2022 8:02 AM, songbird wrote:
>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
>>>>> It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
>>>>> used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
>>>>> $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
>>>>> or 62 cents per ounce?
>>>>
>>>> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
>>>> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
>>>> tacos.
>>> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
>>> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
>>> evil.
>>>
>> The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
>> or anything of the like is goofy.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I remember years ago, someone asked for a recipe to make your own
> Diet Coke. Silly.  Just buy some.
>
> In my own experience, I like the "Jiffy Corn Bread." So darn cheap and
> simple to buy a box and enjoy it. Why make cornbread from scratch just
> to try to match that recipe?
>
Perhaps because some of us don't want to "match" the Jiffy Corn Bread"
mix. If that is what we wanted to do we would just buy a box of it.
You like it, no biggie.

Jill

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:28:06 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> ...
> > It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> > It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> > used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> > $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> > or 62 cents per ounce?
> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
> tacos.

I've heard that mixing that hot chinese oil with ketchup makes a spicy out-of-this-world seafood sauce.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:37:58 -0500, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:

>On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
>>> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
>>> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
>>> evil.
>>>
>> The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
>> or anything of the like is goofy.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
>I remember years ago, someone asked for a recipe to make your own
>Diet Coke. Silly. Just buy some.
>
>In my own experience, I like the "Jiffy Corn Bread." So darn cheap and
>simple to buy a box and enjoy it. Why make cornbread from scratch just
>to try to match that recipe?
>
Maybe they don't want the crappy additives.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:48:22 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:28:06 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> ...
>> > It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
>> > It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
>> > used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
>> > $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
>> > or 62 cents per ounce?
>> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
>> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
>> tacos.
>
>I've heard that mixing that hot chinese oil with ketchup makes a spicy out-of-this-world seafood sauce.

Where would the spiciness come from?

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:37:58 -0500, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
>>>> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
>>>> evil.
>>>>
>>> The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
>>> or anything of the like is goofy.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> I remember years ago, someone asked for a recipe to make your own
>> Diet Coke. Silly. Just buy some.

Looks like a lot of hunting down lavender leaves and such.

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1013686-cola-syrup

On 2022-12-16, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 11:37:58 -0500, Gary <g.majors@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/16/2022 10:20 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:15:01 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Usually IS cheaper to make your own, assuming you are able to make it
>>>>> just as tasty and willing to spend the time. Commercial brands are not
>>>>> evil.
>>>>>
>>>> The idea of making your own Cholula/Tabasco/Frank's
>>>> or anything of the like is goofy.
>>>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>> I remember years ago, someone asked for a recipe to make your own
>>> Diet Coke. Silly. Just buy some.
>
> Looks like a lot of hunting down lavender leaves and such.
>
> https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1013686-cola-syrup

Gazing out window: Yep. Got lavender leaves.

Here's a recipe that doesn't need lavender leaves:

https://www.seriouseats.com/drink-the-book-natural-cola-homemade-coke-soda

--
Cindy Hamilton

Gary wrote:
....
> In my own experience, I like the "Jiffy Corn Bread." So darn cheap and
> simple to buy a box and enjoy it. Why make cornbread from scratch just
> to try to match that recipe?

we usually start with that and then Mom cuts it about half
with flour because it is too gritty for her. i don't have a
preference and will eat either version. normally use it for
making blueberry muffins.

songbird

Bruce wrote:
....
> Where would the spiciness come from?

some spices are fat soluble (including capsaicin).

songbird

Bruce wrote:
....
> Maybe they don't want the crappy additives.

i've seen much worse:

"WHEAT FLOUR, DEGERMED YELLOW CORN MEAL, SUGAR, LARD (HYDROGENATED LARD, BHT AND CITRIC ACID PRESERVATIVES), CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF: BAKING SODA, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID, WHEAT STARCH."

songbird

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 13:29:21 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>...
>> Maybe they don't want the crappy additives.
>
> i've seen much worse:
>
>"WHEAT FLOUR, DEGERMED YELLOW CORN MEAL, SUGAR, LARD (HYDROGENATED LARD, BHT AND CITRIC ACID PRESERVATIVES), CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF: BAKING SODA, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID, WHEAT STARCH."
>
That looks pretty awful. You'd think that bread was ok for
vegetarians.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 13:31:36 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>...
>> Where would the spiciness come from?
>
> some spices are fat soluble (including capsaicin).

Yes, but I commented on

>I've heard that mixing that hot chinese oil with ketchup makes a spicy out-of-this-world seafood sauce.

I don't see any spiciness in Chinese oil or ketchup, unless "hot"
isn't referring to the temperature of the oil.

--
Bruce
<https://emalm.com/?v=SQqZJ>

On 12/16/2022 1:29 PM, songbird wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> ...
>> Maybe they don't want the crappy additives.
>
> i've seen much worse:
>
> "WHEAT FLOUR, DEGERMED YELLOW CORN MEAL, SUGAR, LARD (HYDROGENATED LARD, BHT AND CITRIC ACID PRESERVATIVES), CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF: BAKING SODA, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID, WHEAT STARCH."
>
>
> songbird

Remember the slogan "Better living through chemistry"?

Monocalcium phosphate is an inorganic compound with the chemical formula
Ca(H₂PO₄)₂. It is commonly found as the monohydrate, Ca(H₂PO₄)₂·H₂O.
Both salts are colourless solids. They are used mainly as superphosphate
fertilizers and are also popular leavening agents.

Tricalcium phosphate is a calcium salt of phosphoric acid with the
chemical formula Ca₃(PO₄)₂. It is also known as tribasic calcium
phosphate and bone phosphate of lime. It is a white solid of low
solubility. Most commercial samples of "tricalcium phosphate" are in
fact hydroxyapatite.

See, this is good for you:
What is mononitrate used for?
Isosorbide mononitrate is used to prevent angina (chest pain) caused by
coronary artery disease (heart disease). It does not work fast enough to
relieve the pain of an angina attack that has already started.
Isosorbide mononitrate belongs to the group of medicines called nitrates

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:28:06 AM UTC-10, songbird wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> ...
> > It is actually cheaper per ounce than any other size.
> > It needs no refrigeration. 50 fl. oz. costs $14.39. I
> > used to buy the half gallons, which are 64 fl. oz. for
> > $39.95. Would you rather pay 29 cents per ounce,
> > or 62 cents per ounce?
> it's cheaper to make your own, that stuff is yick to
> me, but that is if i wanted vinegar that tasted like
> tacos.
>
>
> songbird

The Hawaiians make their own hot sauce using small Hawaiian peppers and water called "chili pepper water." It's not a sauce but an infusion. It's mild with a bite. Anybody can make chili pepper water. All you need is intensely hot peppers and water and salt. You can also add other stuff like vinegar and garlic. You don't need much peppers, just 3 or 5 or 6. You can add anything you want to it. I don't boil my chili pepper water. I just let it sit around and let time do the work.
This stuff goes good with beef stew and laulau.

https://onolicioushawaii.com/chili-pepper-water/

Ed Pawlowski wrote :

> On 12/16/2022 1:29 PM, songbird wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>> ...
>>> Maybe they don't want the crappy additives.
>>
>> i've seen much worse:
>>
>> "WHEAT FLOUR, DEGERMED YELLOW CORN MEAL, SUGAR, LARD (HYDROGENATED LARD, BHT AND CITRIC ACID PRESERVATIVES), CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF: BAKING SODA, TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, FOLIC ACID, WHEAT STARCH."
>>
>> songbird
>
> Remember the slogan "Better living through chemistry"?
>
> Monocalcium phosphate is an inorganic compound with the chemical formula
> Ca(H₂PO₄)₂. It is commonly found as the monohydrate, Ca(H₂PO₄)₂·H₂O.
> Both salts are colourless solids. They are used mainly as superphosphate
> fertilizers and are also popular leavening agents.
>
> Tricalcium phosphate is a calcium salt of phosphoric acid with the
> chemical formula Ca₃(PO₄)₂. It is also known as tribasic calcium
> phosphate and bone phosphate of lime. It is a white solid of low
> solubility. Most commercial samples of "tricalcium phosphate" are in
> fact hydroxyapatite.
>
> See, this is good for you:
> What is mononitrate used for?
> Isosorbide mononitrate is used to prevent angina (chest pain) caused by
> coronary artery disease (heart disease). It does not work fast enough to
> relieve the pain of an angina attack that has already started.
> Isosorbide mononitrate belongs to the group of medicines called nitrates

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