On 4/29/22 21:04, Bob F wrote:
> On 4/29/2022 2:06 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:39:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>> dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
>>>>>>>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation
>>>>>>>> guide?
>>>>>>> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need
>>>>>>> a fairly
>>>>>>> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since
>>>>>>> drain basket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage
>>>>>> disposals. I know
>>>>>> about putty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that
>>>>>> replaces the
>>>>>> putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can
>>>>>> verify that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra
>>>>>> washer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I quote one such review:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers
>>>>>> putty or silicone
>>>>>> for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns
>>>>>> out, Moen supplies
>>>>>> two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes
>>>>>> inside the
>>>>>> sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it
>>>>>> goes under the
>>>>>> sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
>>>>> That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Xeno
>>>>>
>>>> "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
>>>>
>>>> Most other drain kits require putty.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install
>>
>> Maybe you didn't catch my drift, but I was defending you. Maybe you
>> missed the post
>> where I even said "Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point."
>>
>> However, as long you commented, I'll respond.
>>
>>> They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My
>>> new belief at least.
>>
>> Wait... didn't you say the opposite in your first response?
>>
>> "Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."
>>
>> AFAIK it's been putty of some type since the dawn of plumbing. Not
>> because it's cheaper but
>> because it works.
>>
>>> You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut.
>>> If the top rotated
>>> as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.
>>
>> While I never suggested using putty on the bottom, I do not agree with
>> your "putty would
>> not be sold comment".
>>
>> The top absolutely does rotate. Just "Ask This Old House"
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWxn4kHzwY&t=260s
>>
>> If you ever installed a garbage disposal and wanted the text on the
>> drain to face forward,
>> you'd know that they do in fact rotate.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/uJmqF0J.jpg
>>
>>> If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.
>>
>> My comment related to the "error" was not a comment against the use of
>> a gasket. It was
>> that you created a lip that will catch debris on one side and may not
>> have fully sealed the
>> other side. That's why I said you got lucky.
>>
>> In addition, it appears from the image that you posted that part of
>> the drain is not fully seated
>> on the sink. It *can't* be because it is being held up by the gasket.
>> That's another reason why I
>> think you got lucky.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/HDXw5pD.jpg
>>
>> I've basically got nothing against the Moen gasket. Like I said, I may
>> even try it sometime. However,
>> I've also got no reason to change since I know that putty works and is
>> still the recommended method
>> for the types of drains that I've installed.
>
> I have never in my 72 years needed to do repairs because of failed putty
> in this situation. The stuff has worked as long as I've lived.
>
>

Is your sinks stainless steel? Mine flexes under pressure.
I presume that its the reason.

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 4:44:57 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> On 4/29/22 21:04, Bob F wrote:
> > On 4/29/2022 2:06 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:39:08 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:09:03 PM UTC-4, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
> >>>>> On 26/4/2022 7:06 am, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:06:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >>>>>>> Marilyn Manson <comawhit...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>> dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I made a thin string of plumber's putty around the top
> >>>>>>>>>>> of the sink and inserted the strainer.
> >>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Moen-22036-Composite-Assembly-Stainless/dp/B0012C52RQ
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not doubting you, but do you have a link to an installation
> >>>>>>>> guide?
> >>>>>>> Putty is necessary. I suspect the OP didn't use enough. You need
> >>>>>>> a fairly
> >>>>>>> thick bead, clean up any left after fully tightening the since
> >>>>>>> drain basket.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Trust me, I've installed quite a number of sink baskets/garbage
> >>>>>> disposals. I know
> >>>>>> about putty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Supposedly* the Moen 22036 comes with an extra rubber gasket that
> >>>>>> replaces the
> >>>>>> putty. Thing is, I can't find an installation guide so that I can
> >>>>>> verify that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thomas and many of the reviews/Q&A at Amazon discuss the extra
> >>>>>> washer:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I quote one such review:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "There has been lots of dispute about whether to use plumbers
> >>>>>> putty or silicone
> >>>>>> for installing this sort of drain assembly in a sink. But it turns
> >>>>>> out, Moen supplies
> >>>>>> two rubber washers and a fiber washer, and one rubber washer goes
> >>>>>> inside the
> >>>>>> sink, and the other rubber washer with the fiber washer under it
> >>>>>> goes under the
> >>>>>> sink. No putty, no silicone. Easy to install, no leaks."
> >>>>> That is pretty much it, no sealer needed.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Xeno
> >>>>>
> >>>> "That's pretty much it" for the *Moen* unit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Most other drain kits require putty.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kitchen+sink+drain+install
> >>
> >> Maybe you didn't catch my drift, but I was defending you. Maybe you
> >> missed the post
> >> where I even said "Maybe I'll try the Moen gasket style at some point."
> >>
> >> However, as long you commented, I'll respond.
> >>
> >>> They require putty because it is cheeper to not use a top gasket. My
> >>> new belief at least.
> >>
> >> Wait... didn't you say the opposite in your first response?
> >>
> >> "Moen makes them that way and a heck of a lot cheaper."
> >>
> >> AFAIK it's been putty of some type since the dawn of plumbing. Not
> >> because it's cheaper but
> >> because it works.
> >>
> >>> You cannot use putty on the bottom only due to rotation of the nut.
> >>> If the top rotated
> >>> as much as the bottom, putty would not be sold.
> >>
> >> While I never suggested using putty on the bottom, I do not agree with
> >> your "putty would
> >> not be sold comment".
> >>
> >> The top absolutely does rotate. Just "Ask This Old House"
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWxn4kHzwY&t=260s
> >>
> >> If you ever installed a garbage disposal and wanted the text on the
> >> drain to face forward,
> >> you'd know that they do in fact rotate.
> >>
> >> https://i.imgur.com/uJmqF0J.jpg
> >>
> >>> If you did not see my error of offset you might think other.
> >>
> >> My comment related to the "error" was not a comment against the use of
> >> a gasket. It was
> >> that you created a lip that will catch debris on one side and may not
> >> have fully sealed the
> >> other side. That's why I said you got lucky.
> >>
> >> In addition, it appears from the image that you posted that part of
> >> the drain is not fully seated
> >> on the sink. It *can't* be because it is being held up by the gasket.
> >> That's another reason why I
> >> think you got lucky.
> >>
> >> https://i.imgur.com/HDXw5pD.jpg
> >>
> >> I've basically got nothing against the Moen gasket. Like I said, I may
> >> even try it sometime. However,
> >> I've also got no reason to change since I know that putty works and is
> >> still the recommended method
> >> for the types of drains that I've installed.
> >
> > I have never in my 72 years needed to do repairs because of failed putty
> > in this situation. The stuff has worked as long as I've lived.
> >
> >
> Is your sinks stainless steel? Mine flexes under pressure.
> I presume that its the reason.

Stainless steel, in and of itself, is not reason, the thickness is what
matters.

SS sinks are available in various thicknesses from low end 22g to
commercial quality 14g.

16g to 18g is recommended for a typical home kitchen sink. Either
one of those can handle a garbage disposal without vibrating and can
support a heavy, high quality faucet.