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* Not Enough Outlets for EVsDean Hoffman
+* Not Enough Outlets for EVsdanny burstein
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|`* Not Enough Outlets for EVsDean Hoffman
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|| | ||| `* Not Enough Outlets for EVsScott Lurndal
|| | |||  `* Not Enough Outlets for EVsEd Pawlowski
|| | |||   +- Not Enough Outlets for EVsScott Lurndal
|| | |||   `* Not Enough Outlets for EVstrader_4
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Re: Not Enough Outlets for EVs

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Subject: Re: Not Enough Outlets for EVs
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 by: T - Thu, 5 May 2022 19:18 UTC

On 5/5/22 07:40, Frank wrote:
>
> You cannot liquify hydrogen at the consumer level and high pressure
> tanks required.
Yo can not liquify natural gas at the comsumer level either.
The tank issue is already solved.
Here is Toyota's hydrogen tanks being tested:
Tank Safety: Hydrogen Tank Gunshot (3:19)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVeagFmmwA0
> I previously mentioned Nobel Prize winning chemist, George Olah's,
> suggestion that methanol be used in fuel cells.
You mentioned that to me before. The idea sound really good.
I forget where we get the methanol from.
>
> You could use other liquifiable hydrocarbons.  Greenies do not like this
> as you still emit carbon dioxide.  You can recycle carbon dioxide by
> hydrogenation.
>
> Here in DE we have carbon limits but our government has decreed natural
> gas is exempt and supported (and public got hosed on) funding fuel cell
> generated electricity from natural gas.
Natural Gas fuel cells sounds really great too. The issue
with carbon dioxide, which is political in nature only,
is still in the way. It is the greenies religion, whether
it is real or not.
I remember in one of the national parks, being driven
on a natural gas powered tour bus as a kid. Problem: the "odorant" in
the gas still got out a bit. The exhaust smelled like hell. Probably
incomplete combustion.
Hydrogen, when it catches fire rises safely away.
Unlike lithium batteries that take 24 hours to
safely go out and gasoline/liquids that say put.
I'd love it if Subi did a natural gas fuel cell or
a hydrogen fuel cell. Natural gas would be a lot
easier to find. Not sure the availability of methanol.
I'd go for that too, if I could find it.
But the price would have to come down substantially.
I really do like fuel cell technology.
Pollution wise, we are going to have to solve the supply
issues with hydrogen in the future. But we have
lot of time.

Re: Not Enough Outlets for EVs

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 by: T - Thu, 5 May 2022 19:21 UTC

On 5/5/22 08:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Makes sense if the methanol can be made in the needed quantities without
> harming something else.  The use of ethanol in gas has conflicting results.
>
> Should at least be seriously investigated.  We really do have to get off
> of oil at some point.
Methonol sound interesting. Like hydrogen, the
supply issue may be the hold back
Ethanol in gasoline is stupid. The energy you get out
of the ethanol is less than the petroleum energy used
to create it. And it goofs your car up too. I
get almost two extra miles per gallon running
pure gas.

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 by: Dean Hoffman - Thu, 5 May 2022 20:51 UTC

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:22:04 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 5/5/22 08:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Makes sense if the methanol can be made in the needed quantities without
> > harming something else. The use of ethanol in gas has conflicting results.
> >
> > Should at least be seriously investigated. We really do have to get off
> > of oil at some point.
> Methonol sound interesting. Like hydrogen, the
> supply issue may be the hold back
>
> Ethanol in gasoline is stupid. The energy you get out
> of the ethanol is less than the petroleum energy used
> to create it. And it goofs your car up too. I
> get almost two extra miles per gallon running
> pure gas.

The incentive for ethanol production is to add value to a bushel of corn.
The feed value doesn't change by running corn through an ethanol plant.
<https://farm-energy.extension.org/corn-for-biofuel-production/>
I haven't done a mile/dollar comparison of ethanol vs. regular gas. The gas with
ethanol was cheaper the last time I bothered to look at the local gas pump.
Corn has a lot of uses besides feeding Bessie the cow.
<https://www.farmprogress.com/vegetables/13-ways-corn-used-our-everyday-lives>

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 by: Frank - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:44 UTC

On 5/5/2022 3:18 PM, T wrote:
> On 5/5/22 07:40, Frank wrote:
>
>>
>> You cannot liquify hydrogen at the consumer level and high pressure
>> tanks required.
>
> Yo can not liquify natural gas at the comsumer level either.
>
> The tank issue is already solved.
>
> Here is Toyota's hydrogen tanks being tested:
>
> Tank Safety: Hydrogen Tank Gunshot (3:19)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVeagFmmwA0
>
>> I previously mentioned Nobel Prize winning chemist, George Olah's,
>> suggestion that methanol be used in fuel cells.
>
> You mentioned that to me before.  The idea sound really good.
> I forget where we get the methanol from.
>
>>
>> You could use other liquifiable hydrocarbons.  Greenies do not like
>> this as you still emit carbon dioxide.  You can recycle carbon dioxide
>> by hydrogenation.
>>
>> Here in DE we have carbon limits but our government has decreed
>> natural gas is exempt and supported (and public got hosed on) funding
>> fuel cell generated electricity from natural gas.
>
> Natural Gas fuel cells sounds really great too.  The issue
> with carbon dioxide, which is political in nature only,
> is still in the way.  It is the greenies religion, whether
> it is real or not.
>
> I remember in one of the national parks, being driven
> on a natural gas powered tour bus as a kid.  Problem: the "odorant" in
> the gas still got out a bit.  The exhaust smelled like hell.  Probably
> incomplete combustion.
>
> Hydrogen, when it catches fire rises safely away.
> Unlike lithium batteries that take 24 hours to
> safely go out and gasoline/liquids that say put.
>
> I'd love it if Subi did a natural gas fuel cell or
> a hydrogen fuel cell.  Natural gas would be a lot
> easier to find.  Not sure the availability of methanol.
> I'd go for that too, if I could find it.
>
> But the price would have to come down substantially.
>
> I really do like fuel cell technology.
>
> Pollution wise, we are going to have to solve the supply
> issues with hydrogen in the future.  But we have
> lot of time.
>
>
>
>
Delaware and Bloom Energy extol the use of fuel cells to generate
electricity here but there are conflicting reports:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2020/02/13/the-forbes-investigation-how-bloom-energy-blew-through-billions-promising-cheap-green-tech-that-falls-short/?sh=62b5e5a3e5fa

It definitely has caused a cost burden on us residents using electricity.

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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 2 May 2022 14:30:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
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>
>> I know. I remind people of that all the time when they start ranting about how
>> it will never work. Still, charging an EV and getting gas are not exactly the same
>> thing. You can't just bolt on the charging infrastructure to every existing station.
>>
>>
>Why not?
>Amazing how people can spot the negatives and never look at the solution.
>
>Unlike a gas station that needs tanks, charging stations can be located
>in other places. One of my favorite restaurants has one so I can have
>lunch and come out to a full charged car. Trader mentioned Target. I
>can shop and come out to a full charged car.
>
>Yes, it does take longer that pumping gas. It would be good for
>business at the coffee shop to have one for customer use too.

They have 2 at a little shopping center I never go to.

There are 3 bays at the parking garage closed to U of Maryland Hospital.

But the biggest difference is that everyone has to go to a gas station
for gas. With electric, 60 - 80% of people will be charging at home.
>
>I lived in Philly for 35 years. Yes some stations are small, others are
>just a spacious and anywhere in the world and could fit a charger or two.
>
>If I said I have a pound of solid gold here and all you have to do is
>pick it up, some would complain they have to pay a bridge toll to come
>get it so would not bother.

How much is the toll?

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On 5/1/22 19:50, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> This article says roughly 1/3 of the U.S. population lives in apartments or condos.
> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/extraordinarily-frustrated-renters-can-find-no-place-to-plug-in-electric-vehicles/ar-AAWLWzy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7e62f4b5d8646a5b7131c4b06aca0ce>

Oh joy. More footage on rolling fire bombs:

https://flagandcross.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-the-road-biden-should-watch-this/

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 12:18:13 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> On 5/1/22 19:50, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> > This article says roughly 1/3 of the U.S. population lives in apartments or condos.
> > <https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/extraordinarily-frustrated-renters-can-find-no-place-to-plug-in-electric-vehicles/ar-AAWLWzy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7e62f4b5d8646a5b7131c4b06aca0ce>
>
> Oh joy. More footage on rolling fire bombs:
>
> https://flagandcross.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-the-road-biden-should-watch-this/

Maybe you should watch some videos of the many gas powered vehicles that
catch fire and burn up every day around the world. And start getting some news from
places besides some unknown right wing religion website? Interesting how electric
vehicle problems from a couple of buses in Europe are a hot topic for websites like this.

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 by: Frank - Tue, 10 May 2022 12:33 UTC

On 5/10/2022 8:16 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 12:18:13 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>> On 5/1/22 19:50, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> This article says roughly 1/3 of the U.S. population lives in apartments or condos.
>>> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/extraordinarily-frustrated-renters-can-find-no-place-to-plug-in-electric-vehicles/ar-AAWLWzy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7e62f4b5d8646a5b7131c4b06aca0ce>
>>
>> Oh joy. More footage on rolling fire bombs:
>>
>> https://flagandcross.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-the-road-biden-should-watch-this/
>
> Maybe you should watch some videos of the many gas powered vehicles that
> catch fire and burn up every day around the world. And start getting some news from
> places besides some unknown right wing religion website? Interesting how electric
> vehicle problems from a couple of buses in Europe are a hot topic for websites like this.

All of the energy in a battery is self contained. The fire company
cannot even extinguish an electric car.

It takes oxygen for gasoline to continue burning.

I suspect you will not understand this because I wrote it.

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On 5/10/2022 8:16:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 12:18:13 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>> On 5/1/22 19:50, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> This article says roughly 1/3 of the U.S. population lives in apartments or condos.
>>> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/extraordinarily-frustrated-renters-can-find-no-place-to-plug-in-electric-vehicles/ar-AAWLWzy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7e62f4b5d8646a5b7131c4b06aca0ce>
>>
>> Oh joy. More footage on rolling fire bombs:
>>
>> https://flagandcross.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-the-road-biden-should-watch-this/
>
> Maybe you should watch some videos of the many gas powered vehicles that
> catch fire and burn up every day around the world. And start getting some news from
> places besides some unknown right wing religion website? Interesting how electric
> vehicle problems from a couple of buses in Europe are a hot topic for websites like this.

Ad hominem lefties love to call conservatives anti-vaxxers.
What derogatory name will Team_4 be calling people who choose IC engines?

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On 5/10/22 12:38, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> On 5/10/2022 8:16:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 12:18:13 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
>>> On 5/1/22 19:50, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> This article says roughly 1/3 of the U.S. population lives in
>>>> apartments or condos.
>>>> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/extraordinarily-frustrated-renters-can-find-no-place-to-plug-in-electric-vehicles/ar-AAWLWzy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b7e62f4b5d8646a5b7131c4b06aca0ce>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh joy. More footage on rolling fire bombs:
>>>
>>> https://flagandcross.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-the-road-biden-should-watch-this/
>>>
>>
>> Maybe you should watch some videos of the many gas powered vehicles that
>> catch fire and burn up every day around the world.   And start getting
>> some news from
>> places besides some unknown right wing religion website?  Interesting
>> how electric
>> vehicle problems from a couple of buses in Europe are a hot topic for
>> websites like this.
>
>
> Ad hominem lefties love to call conservatives anti-vaxxers.
> What derogatory name will Team_4 be calling people who choose IC engines?
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/10/918/516/hypocrisy-exposed-.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

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On 5/10/22 05:33, Frank wrote:
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>
> It takes oxygen for gasoline to continue burning.
>
> I suspect you will not understand this because I wrote it.
You just have to stand back and let them consume
themselves and hope there is no collateral damage.
And they keep reigniting, even when you think
they are out.

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This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car runs out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?

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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 02:46 UTC

On 8/17/2022 8:01 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
> This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car runs
> out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?
>

Thy are popping up every day and there are apps that will help you
locate them.
There is better coverage than there was gas stations in 1920. It is
growing every day.

A few times a year I travel between Florida and MA/CT. No problem,
plenty of chargers. I've not been to Montana so can't vouch for that.

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 by: rbowman - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 02:57 UTC

On 08/17/2022 08:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/17/2022 8:01 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
>> This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car
>> runs out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?
>>
>
> Thy are popping up every day and there are apps that will help you
> locate them.
> There is better coverage than there was gas stations in 1920. It is
> growing every day.
>
> A few times a year I travel between Florida and MA/CT. No problem,
> plenty of chargers. I've not been to Montana so can't vouch for that.

How many are functional? Some people attempting long trips have reported
many aren't working, are very slow, or may have long lines.

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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 03:44 UTC

On 8/17/2022 10:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 08/17/2022 08:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/17/2022 8:01 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
>>> This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car
>>> runs out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?
>>>
>>
>> Thy are popping up every day and there are apps that will help you
>> locate them.r
>> There is better coverage than there was gas stations in 1920.  It is
>> growing every day.
>>
>> A few times a year I travel between Florida and MA/CT.  No problem,
>> plenty of chargers.  I've not been to Montana so can't vouch for that.
>
> How many are functional? Some people attempting long trips have reported
> many aren't working, are very slow, or may have long lines.

I've not seen lines at all. Every time I've notices there were some
open. Older ones are still slow but newer ones much better. Give it
five years with new battery materials and chargers. They are talking 10
minutes for full charge.

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 by: rbowman - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 04:45 UTC

On 08/17/2022 09:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/17/2022 10:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 08/17/2022 08:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2022 8:01 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
>>>> This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car
>>>> runs out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thy are popping up every day and there are apps that will help you
>>> locate them.r
>>> There is better coverage than there was gas stations in 1920. It is
>>> growing every day.
>>>
>>> A few times a year I travel between Florida and MA/CT. No problem,
>>> plenty of chargers. I've not been to Montana so can't vouch for that.
>>
>> How many are functional? Some people attempting long trips have
>> reported many aren't working, are very slow, or may have long lines.
>
> I've not seen lines at all. Every time I've notices there were some
> open. Older ones are still slow but newer ones much better. Give it
> five years with new battery materials and chargers. They are talking 10
> minutes for full charge.

Unless you were actually driving an EV that's anecdotes baed on random
observation. I saw a charging station at the Casey Jones Museum in
Jackson TN. There were no lines and in fact nobody using the chargers.
Whoopee.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>On 08/17/2022 09:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/17/2022 10:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 08/17/2022 08:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2022 8:01 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
>>>>> This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car
>>>>> runs out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thy are popping up every day and there are apps that will help you
>>>> locate them.r
>>>> There is better coverage than there was gas stations in 1920. It is
>>>> growing every day.
>>>>
>>>> A few times a year I travel between Florida and MA/CT. No problem,
>>>> plenty of chargers. I've not been to Montana so can't vouch for that.
>>>
>>> How many are functional? Some people attempting long trips have
>>> reported many aren't working, are very slow, or may have long lines.
>>
>> I've not seen lines at all. Every time I've notices there were some
>> open. Older ones are still slow but newer ones much better. Give it
>> five years with new battery materials and chargers. They are talking 10
>> minutes for full charge.
>
>Unless you were actually driving an EV that's anecdotes baed on random
>observation.

Whereas your insinuation that some fraction, large or small,
of them are inoperative isn't based on anything at all.

"Some people" isn't a useful metric.

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 by: Ed Pawlowski - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:22 UTC

On 8/18/2022 12:45 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 08/17/2022 09:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/17/2022 10:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 08/17/2022 08:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2022 8:01 PM, Steve Mills wrote:
>>>>> This is what I'm afraid of. What if I go on a road trip and the car
>>>>> runs out of battery and theirs no EV charges nearby?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thy are popping up every day and there are apps that will help you
>>>> locate them.r
>>>> There is better coverage than there was gas stations in 1920.  It is
>>>> growing every day.
>>>>
>>>> A few times a year I travel between Florida and MA/CT.  No problem,
>>>> plenty of chargers.  I've not been to Montana so can't vouch for that.
>>>
>>> How many are functional? Some people attempting long trips have
>>> reported many aren't working, are very slow, or may have long lines.
>>
>> I've not seen lines at all.  Every time I've notices there were some
>> open.  Older ones are still slow but newer ones much better.  Give it
>> five years with new battery materials and chargers.  They are talking 10
>> minutes for full charge.
>
> Unless you were actually driving an EV that's anecdotes baed on random
> observation. I saw a charging station at the Casey Jones Museum in
> Jackson TN. There were no lines and in fact nobody using the chargers.
> Whoopee.
>

If you follow EV news at all, there has been articles about long drives.
It is not a perfect system yet but not impossible either.
Would I buy an EV? If I had two cars, yes, one would be. For a single
car, not yet but in 3 to 5 years, yes. Right now I take some trips of
1100 or 1400 miles one way. A month from today I'm starting a 6500 mile
trip.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877585/ev-1000-11-electric-cars-long-distance-race/

https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/electric-car-road-trip-charging-guide

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