Vladimir Putin yesterday warned a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine
joins NATO and accused the West of 'complete disregard for our concerns'
hours after talks with French President Emmanuel Macron in Moscow.

The Russian strongman said he wanted to 'stress one more time' that 'if
Ukraine joins NATO... the European countries will be automatically pulled
into a war conflict with Russia'.

He said states would not 'even have time to blink' before invoking Article
5 of NATO which demands collective defense of members.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10488413/Vladimir-Putin-warns-nuclear-war-break-Ukraine-joins-NATO.html

Putin also said he recognised Moscow's military might was 'incomparable'
with NATO but warned Russia 'is one of the leading nuclear states' and
that there would be 'no winners' in a hot war.

His comments came after lengthy negotiations with Macron over the crisis
in Ukraine, which Putin described as 'constructive' after using the
familiar 'ty' form of 'you' to address the French President, seen as a
sign of a good rapport between the leaders.

Putin has spent months massing some 135,000 troops backed by tanks and
artillery on Ukraine's borders, sparking repeated warnings from Washington
that he is about to invade.

It comes after it emerged Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has 'no
plans' to take part in the Munich Security Conference set to take place on
February 18-20, Kommersant reported.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has already confirmed Putin will not
attend the two day summit, an annual cross-Atlantic conference held in
Munich since 1963 that focuses on international security issues.

Putin claimed his Moscow talks with President Emmanuel Macron were
constructive but said: 'I want to stress it one more time,

'I've been saying it, but I'd very much want you to finally hear me, and
to deliver it to your audience in print, TV and online.

'Do you understand it or not, that if Ukraine joins NATO and attempts to
bring Crimea back by military means, the European countries will be
automatically pulled into a war conflict with Russia?'

Putin warned: 'Of course the [military] potential of NATO and Russia are
incomparable. We understand it.

'But we also understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear states,
and by some modern components it even outperforms many.

'There will be no winners. And you will be pulled into this conflict
against your will.

'You won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5
(collective defence of NATO members)….

'Mr President Macron, of course, doesn't want this. And I don't want it.
And I don't want it….which is why he is here, torturing me for six
straight hours.'

Putin said that for 30 years Russia had tried to persuade the West against
a NATO eastward move but there was 'just a complete disregard for our
concerns, demands, and proposals'.

The threats came after new footage emerged appearing to show Russia's
deployment of 'unstoppable' Kinzhal nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles
in the country's westernmost territory Kaliningrad, fewer than 800 miles
from Britain.

Other video purports to show one of two MiG-31K deployed in western
exclave Kaliningrad wedged between NATO countries Poland and Lithuania
with a Baltic Sea coast, within striking distance of Ukraine and less than
800 miles from the UK.

The warplane is reported to be deployed with the new ultra high speed
Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles.

The 24-foot-long, one-ton Kinzhal - or Dagger - can carry conventional or
nuclear warheads, and Russia boasts it has no match among Western defences.

The hypersonic Kinzhal has a range of 1,250 miles and could pummel
Ukrainian troops and defences without flying close to the country.

It appears that the MiG-31Ks capable of carrying the thousand-pound
warheads were redeployed from Nizhny Novgorod, east of Moscow, to
Chernyakhovsk air base in Kaliningrad region in recent days.

Russia is believed to have around 20 Kinzhal-compatible MiG-31Ks in total.

In the Black Sea, Russia's hi-tech Ivan Khurs intelligence ship was seen
just 20 nautical miles from Ukrainian naval port Odessa amid fears that an
invasion could include a maritime assault.

Russia has rejected the deployment of UN peacekeepers on the borders of
rebel-held Donbas.

Senior diplomat Pyotr Ilyichev, head of the Russian foreign ministry's
international organisations department, said: 'No, there is no need.
Peacekeepers will not resolve anything in the intra-Ukrainian conflict.

'The Ukrainians need to talk to the LPR and DPR [the people's republics of
Luhansk and Donetsk].'

Russia has said that upcoming trips to Moscow by Foreign Secretary Liz
Truss and Defence Secretary Ben Wallace are unlikely to improve relations.

Russian ambassador to London Andrei Klein said: 'So far I am not at all
under the impression that this could be a step towards a better
relationship, and I am basing this on the statements being made by both
Liz Truss and Ben Wallace.'

### - so are we listening... now??

coz russia obviously ain't fuckin' about!!!

biden's threat to, erm, ensure the nord stream pipeline comes to an end
(obviously by blowing it up, either at the german end or in russia itself)
not exactly helping any to stabilise relations? hah!

russia now 'openly' talking about the risk of 'nuclear' war bringing
everything into the realm of stark reality - an in: is THAT what we really
WANT???

he's quite right, however, about it being 'nato' that is bringing strike
weapons & nukes to russia's doorstep rather than it being the other way
around, ukraine being one of russia's last red lines in the sand... cross
THAT line and they feel they HAVE to act!

and by loading ukraine up with heavy weapons we've already crossed it!

and THAT'S why they're massing there!!!

sigh, it's hard to see the west being sensible (or even rational) about
all this?

we're following our own many-decades planned script to the letter...
unfortunately that script leads to disaster when russia fights back, coz
make no mistake we're the aggressors here in the same way russia was the
aggressor when they put missiles in cuba that time?

and now WE'RE doing EXACTLY the same thing to THEM and expecting them to
just... roll-over???

they wont ya know... any more than WE did in Oct 1962!

they'll fight! - and once it starts there'll be just no stopping it!

it'll get dark & dirty on BOTH sides!

and then we're ALL screwed...

https://youtu.be/Ek0SgwWmF9w?t=26

m...m...m... madness :)

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 3:17:40 AM UTC-8, slider wrote:
> Vladimir Putin yesterday warned a nuclear war could break out if Ukraine
> joins NATO and accused the West of 'complete disregard for our concerns'
> hours after talks with French President Emmanuel Macron in Moscow.
>
> The Russian strongman said he wanted to 'stress one more time' that 'if
> Ukraine joins NATO... the European countries will be automatically pulled
> into a war conflict with Russia'.
>
> He said states would not 'even have time to blink' before invoking Article
> 5 of NATO which demands collective defense of members.
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10488413/Vladimir-Putin-warns-nuclear-war-break-Ukraine-joins-NATO.html
>
> Putin also said he recognised Moscow's military might was 'incomparable'
> with NATO but warned Russia 'is one of the leading nuclear states' and
> that there would be 'no winners' in a hot war.
>
> His comments came after lengthy negotiations with Macron over the crisis
> in Ukraine, which Putin described as 'constructive' after using the
> familiar 'ty' form of 'you' to address the French President, seen as a
> sign of a good rapport between the leaders.
>
> Putin has spent months massing some 135,000 troops backed by tanks and
> artillery on Ukraine's borders, sparking repeated warnings from Washington
> that he is about to invade.
>
> It comes after it emerged Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has 'no
> plans' to take part in the Munich Security Conference set to take place on
> February 18-20, Kommersant reported.
>
> Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has already confirmed Putin will not
> attend the two day summit, an annual cross-Atlantic conference held in
> Munich since 1963 that focuses on international security issues.
>
> Putin claimed his Moscow talks with President Emmanuel Macron were
> constructive but said: 'I want to stress it one more time,
>
> 'I've been saying it, but I'd very much want you to finally hear me, and
> to deliver it to your audience in print, TV and online.
>
> 'Do you understand it or not, that if Ukraine joins NATO and attempts to
> bring Crimea back by military means, the European countries will be
> automatically pulled into a war conflict with Russia?'
>
> Putin warned: 'Of course the [military] potential of NATO and Russia are
> incomparable. We understand it.
>
> 'But we also understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear states,
> and by some modern components it even outperforms many.
>
> 'There will be no winners. And you will be pulled into this conflict
> against your will.
>
> 'You won't even have time to blink your eye when you execute Article 5
> (collective defence of NATO members)….
>
> 'Mr President Macron, of course, doesn't want this. And I don't want it.
> And I don't want it….which is why he is here, torturing me for six
> straight hours.'
>
> Putin said that for 30 years Russia had tried to persuade the West against
> a NATO eastward move but there was 'just a complete disregard for our
> concerns, demands, and proposals'.
>
> The threats came after new footage emerged appearing to show Russia's
> deployment of 'unstoppable' Kinzhal nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles
> in the country's westernmost territory Kaliningrad, fewer than 800 miles
> from Britain.
>
> Other video purports to show one of two MiG-31K deployed in western
> exclave Kaliningrad wedged between NATO countries Poland and Lithuania
> with a Baltic Sea coast, within striking distance of Ukraine and less than
> 800 miles from the UK.
>
> The warplane is reported to be deployed with the new ultra high speed
> Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles.
>
> The 24-foot-long, one-ton Kinzhal - or Dagger - can carry conventional or
> nuclear warheads, and Russia boasts it has no match among Western defences.
>
> The hypersonic Kinzhal has a range of 1,250 miles and could pummel
> Ukrainian troops and defences without flying close to the country.
>
> It appears that the MiG-31Ks capable of carrying the thousand-pound
> warheads were redeployed from Nizhny Novgorod, east of Moscow, to
> Chernyakhovsk air base in Kaliningrad region in recent days.
>
> Russia is believed to have around 20 Kinzhal-compatible MiG-31Ks in total..
>
> In the Black Sea, Russia's hi-tech Ivan Khurs intelligence ship was seen
> just 20 nautical miles from Ukrainian naval port Odessa amid fears that an
> invasion could include a maritime assault.
>
> Russia has rejected the deployment of UN peacekeepers on the borders of
> rebel-held Donbas.
>
> Senior diplomat Pyotr Ilyichev, head of the Russian foreign ministry's
> international organisations department, said: 'No, there is no need.
> Peacekeepers will not resolve anything in the intra-Ukrainian conflict.
>
> 'The Ukrainians need to talk to the LPR and DPR [the people's republics of
> Luhansk and Donetsk].'
>
> Russia has said that upcoming trips to Moscow by Foreign Secretary Liz
> Truss and Defence Secretary Ben Wallace are unlikely to improve relations..
>
> Russian ambassador to London Andrei Klein said: 'So far I am not at all
> under the impression that this could be a step towards a better
> relationship, and I am basing this on the statements being made by both
> Liz Truss and Ben Wallace.'
>
> ### - so are we listening... now??
>
> coz russia obviously ain't fuckin' about!!!
>
> biden's threat to, erm, ensure the nord stream pipeline comes to an end
> (obviously by blowing it up, either at the german end or in russia itself)
> not exactly helping any to stabilise relations? hah!
>
> russia now 'openly' talking about the risk of 'nuclear' war bringing
> everything into the realm of stark reality - an in: is THAT what we really
> WANT???
>
> he's quite right, however, about it being 'nato' that is bringing strike
> weapons & nukes to russia's doorstep rather than it being the other way
> around, ukraine being one of russia's last red lines in the sand... cross
> THAT line and they feel they HAVE to act!
>
> and by loading ukraine up with heavy weapons we've already crossed it!
>
> and THAT'S why they're massing there!!!
>
> sigh, it's hard to see the west being sensible (or even rational) about
> all this?
>
> we're following our own many-decades planned script to the letter...
> unfortunately that script leads to disaster when russia fights back, coz
> make no mistake we're the aggressors here in the same way russia was the
> aggressor when they put missiles in cuba that time?
>
> and now WE'RE doing EXACTLY the same thing to THEM and expecting them to
> just... roll-over???
>
> they wont ya know... any more than WE did in Oct 1962!
>
> they'll fight! - and once it starts there'll be just no stopping it!
>
> it'll get dark & dirty on BOTH sides!
>
> and then we're ALL screwed...
>
> https://youtu.be/Ek0SgwWmF9w?t=26
>
> m...m...m... madness :)
stock market is already eatin' shit
we lost 20K (on paper) in January for the IRA stocks
son of a bitch, thanx world leaders

>> m...m...m... madness

> stock market is already eatin' shit
> we lost 20K (on paper) in January for the IRA stocks
> son of a bitch, thanx world leaders

### - it's actually gettin' quite bad innit huh: their worst hockey game
ever...

plus any minute now they's prolly gonna start pushin' & shovin' each other
up against the glass (yeah? yeah!) and then tryin' to gouge each others
eyes out i shouldn't wonder, followed by: omg look what they fucking
done!? ok now it's OUR turn! team effort everyone!)

if'n there 'were' any stocks/bonds or whatever in the draw (there ain't
thank god) then i'd sell 'em right now and get the hell outta dodge
paper-wise...

and then buy... i dunno... tins of beans maybe?

coz might be gonna needs 'em! haha :)))

(just couldn't leave it alone could they huh, and now we gots ALL this...
gee thanks leaders is right!)