On 5/18/2022 2:57 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 2:35 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Frank <Frank@frank..net> writes:
>>> On 5/18/2022 1:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Frank <"frank "@frank.net> writes:
>>>>> On 5/18/2022 12:25 PM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:05:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/18/2022 11:58 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 11:45:22 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2022 11:33 AM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2022 2:06 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/18/2022 9:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TANSTAAFL.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, you can escape Amazon Prime fees but you can't escape the
>>>>>>>>>>> Demoncrap's record-high gasoline prices.
>>>>
>>>> So the Troll rears his ugly mug again with a new name. As pointed
>>>> out by Bob:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pure republitard BS. This is not the Democrats fault.
>>>>>>>>>> Speculative energy
>>>>>>>>>> trading is the problem.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention supply chain issues related to Covid-19 (i.e. it
>>>> takes time
>>>> to ramp production back up) and the Russian war in Ukraine.  Both of
>>>> which have
>>>> had significant effect.   Then there are the record profits of the oil
>>>> companies (after all, their production costs haven't increased at the
>>>> same rate as the market price (which is based on scarcity)).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Veteran oil analyst Philip K Verleger has warned that supply
>>>>>>>>>> and demand
>>>>>>>>>> “fundamentals have been rendered almost irrelevant” for oil
>>>>>>>>>> prices, a
>>>>>>>>>> key determinant of the price of gasoline at the pump.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/gas-prices-why-are-they-so-high-traders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stopping Canadian pipeline, closing ANWR and tightening regs
>>>>>>>>> had nothing
>>>>>>>>> to do with it. Just wait until fall when you need to heat your
>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>> You will probably vote Republican.
>>>>
>>>> So Frank butts in with the typical pipeline, anwar and regs
>>>> dogwhistles, none
>>>> of which hold up to actual scrutiny of the facts, for example:
>>>>
>>>>      "There is a lot of uncertainty about whether or not the
>>>>       resources are present and whether or not the resources
>>>>       are of sufficient size to be deemed technically recoverable,
>>>>       Houseknecht said."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.alaskapublic.org/2016/12/07/how-much-oil-is-really-in-anwr/
>>>>
>>>>      USGS estimates between 4 an 18 billion barrels in ANWAR, based
>>>> on a single
>>>>      exploratory well drilled by Chevron/BP, who have never released
>>>> the
>>>>      results of the drill to anyone, even the government.
>>>>
>>>>      USA uses 20 million barrels of oil every day.   So ANWAR is a
>>>> 200 day
>>>>      supply at the low end, three years at the high end.
>>>>
>>>> The tar sands pipeline is an expensive boondoggle that would have
>>>> zero effect
>>>> on the price of gas at the gas station, and it wouldn't be finished
>>>> for years yet and has the worst ERORI of the oil sector.
>>>>
>>>> And it is Congress, not the President that must authorize drilling
>>>> in ANWAR, and they haven't for the last 30 years through both
>>>> democratic and republican administrations.
>>>>
>>>> But Frank and Facts don't mix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and what would you cut off?
>>>>
>>>> So Frank brings up Heating Oil as the next republican dogwhistle.
>>>>
>>>> There are 128.45 million households in the USA.  5.3 million are heated
>>>> with heating oil, a bit less than 5%.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/heating-oil/use-of-heating-oil.php
>>>>
>>>> Heating oil prices have gone up in the past, and we've survived it
>>>> just fine.   Just like the high gas prices in 2008 and 2012
>>>> (both higher when adjusted for inflation than
>>>> today.  Remember the delivery surcharges in those years?) were
>>>> survivable.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/204740/retail-price-of-gasoline-in-the-united-states-since-1990/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Open borders, rampant inflation and crime and fiasco in Afghanistan.  No
>>> thanks.  What else to we have to put up with?  No more dog whistles are
>>> welcome.
>>>
>>
>> Ok. So Frank _COMPLETELY_ ignores the facts and brings up additional
>> republican dogwhistles.
>>
>>     The border is not open
>>
>>     A COVID-19 policy invoked to allow border officials
>>     to quickly expel immigrants arriving at U.S. borders
>>     is scheduled to end May 23. Barring any change, immigrants
>>     may soon find it easier to request asylum and stay in the U.S.
>>     while their applications are pending. The impact on the number
>>     of people showing up at the border is difficult to predict. In
>>     some DHS scenarios, as many as 18,000 migrants a day might arrive
>>     at the southwest border, although one DHS official told Congress
>>     the number of migrants is expected to fall.
>>
>>     But even after the pandemic policy is over, many migrants can
>>     be quickly turned back or enter a long winding process if they
>>     are placed in removal proceedings or apply for asylum or other
>>     immigration protections.
>>
>>     The term "open border" can be subjective, but controls at the
>>     southern border are significant. They include nearly 20,000 Border
>>     Patrol agents and surveillance systems that rely on motion detectors
>>     and blimps that scan for low-flying aircrafts. And there are hundreds
>>     of miles of fencing at the southwest border.
>>
>>     "There's no such thing as an open border," Terence Garrett, political
>>     science professor at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, told
>>     PolitiFact in April.
>>
>>     In Biden's State of the Union Address, he talked about the importance
>>     of strengthening border controls.
>>
>>     "If we are to advance liberty and justice, we need to secure the
>>      border and fix the immigration system. We can do both," Biden said
>>      March 1, 2022. "At our border, we've installed new technology like
>>      cutting-edge scanners to better detect drug smuggling.  We've set up
>>      joint patrols with Mexico and Guatemala to catch more human
>> traffickers."
>>
>> Inflation is present, but not yet rampant, and it is a result of
>> amongst other things,
>> Covid-19, Trump's China Tarrifs, Trump's Canadian Lumber tarrifs, the
>> Russian
>> War in Ukraine and a seriously restricted supply line.
>>
>> and WTF does Afghanistan have to do with anything?  How, exactly was
>> fullfilling the commitment by Mr Trump to withdraw by a certain date
>> wrong?
>
> You guys are incredibly stupid.  It is amazing that you can even read
> and write.

They say Biden had 81 million votes. What they didn't tell us was that
80,999,990 were Duhminion bots. Apparently usenet has bots as well.

On 5/18/2022 11:41 PM, John A. Smith wrote:

>
> They say Biden had 81 million votes.  What they didn't tell us was that
> 80,999,990 were Duhminion bots.  Apparently usenet has bots as well.
>

Yes, just waiting for the evidence. The courts will fix it. Once
proven, Trump will be back the next day.

On 05/18/2022 09:37 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 2:06 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>> On 5/18/2022 9:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> williamsj47 <af7e0e00a6a288de303ee68b671fbbb2@example.com> writes:
>>>> Today for the firs time I was ordering over $100 worth of
>>>> merchandise and was still charged the "handling fee" no matter what
>>>> type shipping was requested. This seems like a ploy to force people
>>>> to join Prime. Did it for several years. Not going back. Kindle and
>>>> other services are also going down hill. Some people don't have
>>>> options. Happily, I do. Got the same merchandise from another
>>>> retailer, same prices but no shipping or handling fee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> For full context, visit
>>>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/amazon-shipping-and-handling-3181096-.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Typical home moaners post.
>>>
>>> TANSTAAFL.
>>
>>
>> LOL, you can escape Amazon Prime fees but you can't escape the
>> Demoncrap's record-high gasoline prices.
>>
>>
>> NATIONAL CRISIS: 9th Straight Day of All-Time Record High Gas Prices!
>> Price at Pump Hits $4.56 per Gallon — Fake News Media Silent!
>>
>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/national-crisis-9th-straight-day-time-record-high-gas-prices-price-pump-hits-4-56-per-gallon-fake-news-media-silent/
>>
>
> Just wait for the fall when your heating oil price tracks that of diesel
> fuel.

Propane is already over $4 a gallon.

On 05/18/2022 09:45 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 11:33 AM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 5/18/2022 2:06 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2022 9:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> williamsj47 <af7e0e00a6a288de303ee68b671fbbb2@example.com> writes:
>>>>> Today for the firs time I was ordering over $100 worth of
>>>>> merchandise and was still charged the "handling fee" no matter what
>>>>> type shipping was requested. This seems like a ploy to force people
>>>>> to join Prime. Did it for several years. Not going back. Kindle and
>>>>> other services are also going down hill. Some people don't have
>>>>> options. Happily, I do. Got the same merchandise from another
>>>>> retailer, same prices but no shipping or handling fee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> For full context, visit
>>>>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/amazon-shipping-and-handling-3181096-.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Typical home moaners post.
>>>>
>>>> TANSTAAFL.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, you can escape Amazon Prime fees but you can't escape the
>>> Demoncrap's record-high gasoline prices.
>>>
>>
>> Pure republitard BS. This is not the Democrats fault. Speculative
>> energy trading is the problem.
>>
>> "Veteran oil analyst Philip K Verleger has warned that supply and
>> demand “fundamentals have been rendered almost irrelevant” for oil
>> prices, a key determinant of the price of gasoline at the pump.
>>
>> He has pointed to a dramatic rise in speculation driven by artificial
>> intelligence rapidly buying and selling massive energy bets based on
>> minor or even nonexistent changes to real-world supplies. “Under these
>> circumstances, a change in [supply and demand] fundamentals that might
>> have moved prices by 50¢ or $1” will cause a change of as much as $10
>> a barrel of oil, he has written.
>>
>> Overall, global oil production is nearly 5m more barrels a day greater
>> in 2022 than in 2021, yet US politicians on both sides of the aisle
>> have called for even more drilling. Oil exports from Russia into the
>> global market have not been slowed by either the war or sanctions.
>> Instead, they’re rising and are expected to end April higher than at
>> any time since before the Covid pandemic, according to research firm
>> Kpler.
>>
>> “Crude is getting loaded on vessels and getting shipped. Which I think
>> is the story right now,” Reid L’Anson, senior commodity economist at
>> Kpler, told The Guardian.
>>
>> There are certainly other factors putting upward pressure on prices,
>> including fears that Russian supply could decline in the future. But
>> the price of oil, natural gas, and other vital fossil fuel commodities
>> are today primarily set by energy traders, whose actions are stoking
>> rising prices and volatility.
>>
>> Little physical oil actually changes hands with such trades, which
>> take place on two main exchanges in the US, CME Group and the
>> Intercontinental Exchange. Instead the trade is in futures contracts,
>> a commitment to purchase a set amount of oil in the future for a price
>> agreed in the present. But because the virtual trading has come to
>> dwarf the physical trade, it now determines the price of oil.
>>
>> Greenberger estimates that “something like 13 times the physical
>> amount of oil is traded” via these purely financial contracts. And
>> commercial trades – those based on the actual use of oil – have been
>> pushed out, he says, replaced almost entirely by speculators looking
>> to make a quick buck, which is in turn increasing excessive
>> speculation and volatility.
>>
>> According to data provided to the Guardian by CME Group, the amount of
>> crude oil futures contracts traded daily on its platform rose in 2022
>> over 2021, and is nearly double that of a decade ago.
>>
>> Rising prices and volatility have been on display since the day before
>> Russian troops went to war against Ukraine, when the price of a barrel
>> of oil was $90. Since the invasion, despite no change in supply, it
>> has vaulted to a $124, fallen to $95, shot back up to $114, before
>> sliding down to $103 a barrel today – over 60% higher than the price
>> one year ago.
>>
>> All the major oil companies, leading US banks, and lesser known
>> private trading houses led by Vitol, Trafigura, Mercuria, and
>> Glencore, are involved in speculative energy trading. Some have even
>> been found guilty of illegal trading over the years. But determining
>> their exact level of involvement is not easy, as there are few
>> reporting requirements allowing the public into this largely opaque
>> world.
>>
>> In a 2020 earnings call with analysts, Shell CEO Ben van Beurden
>> called Shell’s trading “core to the success of our company, it
>> actually makes the magic in many cases”. Shell typically earns as much
>> as $4bn annually from this trading.
>>
>> “We’re seeing just massive volatility, in terms of trading activity,
>> in terms of pricing, where you’ve got big bounces between prices, and
>> so something is wrong,” says Tyson Slocum, director of Public
>> Citizen’s Energy Program, a non-profit consumer advocacy organization.
>> Slocum, who also serves on the Energy and Environmental Markets
>> Advisory Committee to the CFTC, calls for greater regulation and
>> transparency into a broken system where “speculators are allowed to
>> reign free”.
>>
>> The CFTC itself was weakened by Trump and crippled by vacancies under
>> Biden, who left the majority of commission seats empty until late last
>> month.
>>
>> There’s just too much leeway for the big banks and the big
>> producers to manipulate if no one is looking and watching what they’re
>> doing
>>
>> Slocum argues that the federal government has ceded too much authority
>> to the futures exchanges. With profits based on volume of trades, they
>> have little incentive to reign in traders, including excessive
>> speculation, he alleges."
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/28/gas-prices-why-are-they-so-high-traders
>>
>
> Stopping Canadian pipeline, closing ANWR and tightening regs had nothing
> to do with it. Just wait until fall when you need to heat your home.
> You will probably vote Republican.

That won't do much good. We get an extra Representative this year for a
grand total of 2. Unless they manage to screw up they'll be Republicans.
The Democratic Senator doesn't go looking for a job until the next cycle.

Then there's the long list of so-called Republicans that need to go but
they're not from my state and I can't do anything.

On 05/18/2022 06:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 11:41 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> They say Biden had 81 million votes. What they didn't tell us was
>> that 80,999,990 were Duhminion bots. Apparently usenet has bots as well.
>>
>
> Yes, just waiting for the evidence. The courts will fix it. Once
> proven, Trump will be back the next day.

I just hope those 81 million people are happy.

On 5/18/2022 10:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 05/18/2022 06:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/18/2022 11:41 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> They say Biden had 81 million votes.  What they didn't tell us was
>>> that 80,999,990 were Duhminion bots.  Apparently usenet has bots as
>>> well.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, just waiting for the evidence.  The courts will fix it.  Once
>> proven, Trump will be back the next day.
>
> I just hope those 81 million people are happy.

It's relative. Could be better than it is, but still better than it
would have been.

So far, we've not shot missiles into Mexico.

On 05/18/2022 08:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 10:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 05/18/2022 06:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2022 11:41 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They say Biden had 81 million votes. What they didn't tell us was
>>>> that 80,999,990 were Duhminion bots. Apparently usenet has bots as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, just waiting for the evidence. The courts will fix it. Once
>>> proven, Trump will be back the next day.
>>
>> I just hope those 81 million people are happy.
>
> It's relative. Could be better than it is, but still better than it
> would have been.
>
> So far, we've not shot missiles into Mexico.

Unprovable assumption up the line of 'if we hadn't had the lock downs it
would have been a lot worse'. Mexico might even appreciate a few
Hellfire strikes on the Zetas.

On 5/19/2022 12:49 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 05/18/2022 08:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/18/2022 10:33 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 05/18/2022 06:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 5/18/2022 11:41 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They say Biden had 81 million votes.  What they didn't tell us was
>>>>> that 80,999,990 were Duhminion bots.  Apparently usenet has bots as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, just waiting for the evidence.  The courts will fix it.  Once
>>>> proven, Trump will be back the next day.
>>>
>>> I just hope those 81 million people are happy.
>>
>> It's relative.  Could be better than it is, but still better than it
>> would have been.
>>
>> So far, we've not shot missiles into Mexico.
>
> Unprovable assumption up the line of 'if we hadn't had the lock downs it
> would have been a lot worse'. Mexico might even appreciate a few
> Hellfire strikes on the Zetas.
>

Fine, but they should ask, we should not just launch.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 11:33:16 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 2:06 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
> > On 5/18/2022 9:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> williamsj47 <af7e0e00a6a288de...@example.com> writes:
> >>> Today for the firs time I was ordering over $100 worth of merchandise
> >>> and was still charged the "handling fee" no matter what type shipping
> >>> was requested. This seems like a ploy to force people to join Prime.
> >>> Did it for several years. Not going back. Kindle and other services
> >>> are also going down hill. Some people don't have options. Happily, I
> >>> do. Got the same merchandise from another retailer, same prices but
> >>> no shipping or handling fee.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> For full context, visit
> >>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/amazon-shipping-and-handling-3181096-.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Typical home moaners post.
> >>
> >> TANSTAAFL.
> >
> >
> > LOL, you can escape Amazon Prime fees but you can't escape the
> > Demoncrap's record-high gasoline prices.
> >
> Pure republitard BS. This is not the Democrats fault. Speculative energy
> trading is the problem.

Right, the same speculative trading that has existed in all commodity
markets for a hundred years is suddenly the problem. Not Biden killing
XL, which sent a powerful message to the world oil markets. Not Biden
trying to kill another existing pipeline from Canada. Not Biden going
extreme left with his anti-oil BS. Not the decline in drilling permits.
Not the disruption from the Ukraine war and the sharp increase in
demand since the economy rebounded from Covid. And what have
the Democrats done about this? Has Biden called the oil industry to
DC, met with them and asked what they need done to expedite increasing
oil output as quickly as possible? Hell no, he, like you, just points
the finger at any lame excuse and does nothing.

>
> "Veteran oil analyst Philip K Verleger has warned that supply and demand
> “fundamentals have been rendered almost irrelevant” for oil prices, a
> key determinant of the price of gasoline at the pump.
>
> He has pointed to a dramatic rise in speculation driven by artificial
> intelligence rapidly buying and selling massive energy bets based on
> minor or even nonexistent changes to real-world supplies. “Under these
> circumstances, a change in [supply and demand] fundamentals that might
> have moved prices by 50¢ or $1” will cause a change of as much as $10 a
> barrel of oil, he has written.
>
> Overall, global oil production is nearly 5m more barrels a day greater
> in 2022 than in 2021, yet US politicians on both sides of the aisle have
> called for even more drilling. Oil exports from Russia into the global
> market have not been slowed by either the war or sanctions. Instead,
> they’re rising and are expected to end April higher than at any time
> since before the Covid pandemic, according to research firm Kpler.
>
> “Crude is getting loaded on vessels and getting shipped. Which I think
> is the story right now,” Reid L’Anson, senior commodity economist at
> Kpler, told The Guardian.
>
> There are certainly other factors putting upward pressure on prices,
> including fears that Russian supply could decline in the future. But the
> price of oil, natural gas, and other vital fossil fuel commodities are
> today primarily set by energy traders, whose actions are stoking rising
> prices and volatility.
>
> Little physical oil actually changes hands with such trades, which take
> place on two main exchanges in the US, CME Group and the
> Intercontinental Exchange. Instead the trade is in futures contracts, a
> commitment to purchase a set amount of oil in the future for a price
> agreed in the present. But because the virtual trading has come to dwarf
> the physical trade, it now determines the price of oil.
>
> Greenberger estimates that “something like 13 times the physical amount
> of oil is traded” via these purely financial contracts.

Same thing with wheat, corn and Tbond futures for decades, funny how
there hasn't been this "problem" until now.

And commercial
> trades – those based on the actual use of oil – have been pushed out, he
> says, replaced almost entirely by speculators looking to make a quick
> buck, which is in turn increasing excessive speculation and volatility.

And for every entity on one side of these contracts, there is someone
on the other side taking the opposite position.

>
> According to data provided to the Guardian by CME Group, the amount of
> crude oil futures contracts traded daily on its platform rose in 2022
> over 2021, and is nearly double that of a decade ago.

This is like saying that GM stock price isn't a reasonable market price
because the trading has increased. Makes no sense.

>
> Rising prices and volatility have been on display since the day before
> Russian troops went to war against Ukraine, when the price of a barrel
> of oil was $90. Since the invasion, despite no change in supply, it has
> vaulted to a $124, fallen to $95, shot back up to $114, before sliding
> down to $103 a barrel today – over 60% higher than the price one year ago.
>
> All the major oil companies, leading US banks, and lesser known private
> trading houses led by Vitol, Trafigura, Mercuria, and Glencore, are
> involved in speculative energy trading. Some have even been found guilty
> of illegal trading over the years. But determining their exact level of
> involvement is not easy, as there are few reporting requirements
> allowing the public into this largely opaque world.
>
> In a 2020 earnings call with analysts, Shell CEO Ben van Beurden called
> Shell’s trading “core to the success of our company, it actually makes
> the magic in many cases”. Shell typically earns as much as $4bn annually
> from this trading.

Sure, by selling into it, hedging their future prices, figuring that oil
will come back down again and if it doesn't they still locked in a
good price.

This is typical lib BS, attack the free markets, instead of getting together
with the oil industry in a positive fashion to see what they need to boost
output. Hell, if Biden was an obvious fumbling old man, maybe even
Saudia Arabia would take his call and increase oil output. They took calls
from Trump, that's for sure.

On 5/18/2022 10:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 05/18/2022 09:37 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 5/18/2022 2:06 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2022 9:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> williamsj47 <af7e0e00a6a288de303ee68b671fbbb2@example.com> writes:
>>>>> Today for the firs time I was ordering over $100 worth of
>>>>> merchandise and was still charged the "handling fee" no matter what
>>>>> type shipping was requested. This seems like a ploy to force people
>>>>> to join Prime. Did it for several years. Not going back. Kindle and
>>>>> other services are also going down hill. Some people don't have
>>>>> options. Happily, I do. Got the same merchandise from another
>>>>> retailer, same prices but no shipping or handling fee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> For full context, visit
>>>>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/amazon-shipping-and-handling-3181096-.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Typical home moaners post.
>>>>
>>>> TANSTAAFL.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, you can escape Amazon Prime fees but you can't escape the
>>> Demoncrap's record-high gasoline prices.
>>>
>>>
>>> NATIONAL CRISIS: 9th Straight Day of All-Time Record High Gas Prices!
>>> Price at Pump Hits $4.56 per Gallon — Fake News Media Silent!
>>>
>>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/national-crisis-9th-straight-day-time-record-high-gas-prices-price-pump-hits-4-56-per-gallon-fake-news-media-silent/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Just wait for the fall when your heating oil price tracks that of diesel
>> fuel.
>
> Propane is already over $4 a gallon.

It was maybe a month ago I had our tank refilled and it was $4.95/gal.
I read main difference between heating oil and diesel is red dye added
to oil and about 48 cents tax on diesel. Since you have to have oil
delivered to your house that could put price on par. While maybe only
five percent heat with oil, majority (82%) are concentrated in north
east. Heat pumps here in northern DE are marginal and most use fossil
fuel. Someone said we will be shipping oil and natural gas to Europe
this fall due to the war in the Ukraine and all prices will go much higher.

On 5/19/2022 4:27 AM, Peeler wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 20:26:15 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
> troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
>
>
>> Propane is already over $4 a gallon.
>
> Good grief, is there nothing you will not babble about in your known senile
> mannner, blabbermouth?
>
We know that you are an expert on the subject of senility as obviously
evident in all your posts which demonstrate it.

On 5/19/2022 2:55 PM, Peeler wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 14:11:57 -0400, REAL dumb Frankie Boi blathered again:
>
>
>>> Good grief, is there nothing you will not babble about in your known senile
>>> mannner, blabbermouth?
>>>
>> We know that you are an expert on the subject of senility as obviously
>> evident in all your posts which demonstrate it.
>
> I'm happy to see that you felt personally addressed again when I mentioned
> the senility prevalent in this ng, REAL dumb Frankie Boi! You ARE aware that
> you senile asshole claimed already a dozen times that you had killfiled me,
> aren't you, senile idiot? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

I did k-f you in e-s which I usually use but sometimes visit aioe where
no one is k-f'ed. Just thought I'd jerk your chain which is ez.

On 05/19/2022 12:09 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 10:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 05/18/2022 09:37 AM, Frank wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2022 2:06 PM, John A. Smith wrote:
>>>> On 5/18/2022 9:54 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> williamsj47 <af7e0e00a6a288de303ee68b671fbbb2@example.com> writes:
>>>>>> Today for the firs time I was ordering over $100 worth of
>>>>>> merchandise and was still charged the "handling fee" no matter what
>>>>>> type shipping was requested. This seems like a ploy to force people
>>>>>> to join Prime. Did it for several years. Not going back. Kindle and
>>>>>> other services are also going down hill. Some people don't have
>>>>>> options. Happily, I do. Got the same merchandise from another
>>>>>> retailer, same prices but no shipping or handling fee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> For full context, visit
>>>>>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/amazon-shipping-and-handling-3181096-.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Typical home moaners post.
>>>>>
>>>>> TANSTAAFL.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL, you can escape Amazon Prime fees but you can't escape the
>>>> Demoncrap's record-high gasoline prices.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NATIONAL CRISIS: 9th Straight Day of All-Time Record High Gas Prices!
>>>> Price at Pump Hits $4.56 per Gallon — Fake News Media Silent!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/national-crisis-9th-straight-day-time-record-high-gas-prices-price-pump-hits-4-56-per-gallon-fake-news-media-silent/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just wait for the fall when your heating oil price tracks that of diesel
>>> fuel.
>>
>> Propane is already over $4 a gallon.
>
> It was maybe a month ago I had our tank refilled and it was $4.95/gal. I
> read main difference between heating oil and diesel is red dye added to
> oil and about 48 cents tax on diesel. Since you have to have oil
> delivered to your house that could put price on par. While maybe only
> five percent heat with oil, majority (82%) are concentrated in north
> east. Heat pumps here in northern DE are marginal and most use fossil
> fuel. Someone said we will be shipping oil and natural gas to Europe
> this fall due to the war in the Ukraine and all prices will go much higher.

You can thank the Jones Act for some of that.

https://transportationinstitute.org/5things/

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/jones-act-burden-america-can-no-longer-bear#conclusion

Verging on tl;dr but the takeaway is summed up in a tweet on the side bar

Oh? "A 99-year-old law prevents foreign tankers from shipping gas within
the US...So consumers in New England relied on importing liquefied
natural gas from Trinidad and Tobago and even Russia to keep prices in
check this past winter."

Not many oil or gas tankers meet the Jones criteria.

As the article points out 'protecting the US maritime industry' is a
farce. My BIL, even back in the '80's, only worked 6 months a year. The
Masters, Mates, and Pilots union was trying to spread the little work
there was around. He had his master's license but I don't think he ever
sailed higher than second mate.

When I was in high school I was interested in the engineering side
rather than the deck crew. Luckily I didn't go into a dying industry..

On 05/19/2022 12:11 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 4:27 AM, Peeler wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 20:26:15 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly
>> driveling,
>> troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
>>
>>
>>> Propane is already over $4 a gallon.
>>
>> Good grief, is there nothing you will not babble about in your known
>> senile
>> mannner, blabbermouth?
>>
> We know that you are an expert on the subject of senility as obviously
> evident in all your posts which demonstrate it.

Kindly don't reply to the asshole. He's in my bozo bin so I only see his
rants if someone is feeding the troll.