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Re: OT. Covid Vaccine Effectiveness

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 by: trader_4 - Fri, 20 May 2022 12:29 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 7:30:30 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 3:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
> >> and/or well-being , and react accordingly . I promise not to kill 'em
> >> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
> >> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
> >> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
> >> the truth will come out .
> >
> > When Bill Gates lands his black helicopter at your place and jabs you
> > with his mind-control chips, I hope you give him "a taste of the grape".
> >
> > You already don't have the immune system you were born with, BTW.
> >
> Bill won't land here , too hilly . He'll send his minions in their
> white suits with the blue helmets .
> Yes , I DO know that . My immune system has been improved and
> strengthened by exposure to many different threats - which it has
> successfully fought off on it's own . I don't go running to the doctor
> every time I stub my toe like many people do . OHMYGOD , Johnny has a
> sniffle ! HURRY , get him to the emergency room !
> --
> Snag
> My rights don't end
> where your fears begin .

You sound like the type that winds up in the ER on death's door with advanced
cancer or a stroke from high blood pressure, conditions that could have been
treated or cured with modern medicine.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 7:34:10 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
> >> impact on avoiding long Covid? We know it's not very effective in preventing
> >> infection. You may not hear anything about possible long
> >> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
> >> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
> >> message. You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
> >> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
> >> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
> >> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
> >> second booster for everyone. My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
> >> month ago whether it was worth it or not. She said, we don't know, wait and see.
> >
> > I don't live in New York City. It might have peaked here (too early to
> > tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
> >
> > My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
> > it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
> > prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
> >
> Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
> --
> Snag

Some important facts you left out. Yes, it's true that the current vaccines
are not highly effective in preventing infection against the latest variant.
But they are highly effective in preventing serious cases, hospitalizations
and deaths. And they were highly effective in preventing symptomatic
infection too with previous variants. They saved a lot of hospitalizations
and deaths, saved our hospitals from being overwhelmed.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 7:58:37 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> > On 5/20/2022 3:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
> >>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly . I promise not to kill 'em
> >>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
> >>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
> >>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
> >>> the truth will come out .
> >>
> >> When Bill Gates lands his black helicopter at your place and jabs you
> >> with his mind-control chips, I hope you give him "a taste of the grape".
> >>
> >> You already don't have the immune system you were born with, BTW.
> >>
> >
> > Bill won't land here , too hilly . He'll send his minions in their
> > white suits with the blue helmets .
> > Yes , I DO know that . My immune system has been improved and
> > strengthened by exposure to many different threats - which it has
> > successfully fought off on it's own . I don't go running to the doctor
> > every time I stub my toe like many people do . OHMYGOD , Johnny has a
> > sniffle ! HURRY , get him to the emergency room !
> Did you receive any childhood vaccinations? Polio? Smallpox?
>
> --
> Cindy Hamilton

Obviously he did. Those vaccines cause brain damage, you know.

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 by: Snag - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:13 UTC

On 5/20/2022 6:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 3:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly . I promise not to kill 'em
>>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>>> the truth will come out .
>>>
>>> When Bill Gates lands his black helicopter at your place and jabs you
>>> with his mind-control chips, I hope you give him "a taste of the grape".
>>>
>>> You already don't have the immune system you were born with, BTW.
>>>
>>
>> Bill won't land here , too hilly . He'll send his minions in their
>> white suits with the blue helmets .
>> Yes , I DO know that . My immune system has been improved and
>> strengthened by exposure to many different threats - which it has
>> successfully fought off on it's own . I don't go running to the doctor
>> every time I stub my toe like many people do . OHMYGOD , Johnny has a
>> sniffle ! HURRY , get him to the emergency room !
>
> Did you receive any childhood vaccinations? Polio? Smallpox?
>

Polio , yes . Smallpox I was already immune - as was my father , and
is my oldest son . I had no control over decisions my parents made when
I was a small child - did you ? LOOK AT THE VAERS DATA and you'll see we
NEVER had this many reactions to any vaccine except the Covid ones . You
choose your poison , I'll choose mine .
--
Snag
My rights don't end
where your fears begin .

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 by: Snag - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:16 UTC

On 5/20/2022 6:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
>>>> impact on avoiding long Covid? We know it's not very effective in preventing
>>>> infection. You may not hear anything about possible long
>>>> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
>>>> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
>>>> message. You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
>>>> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
>>>> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
>>>> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
>>>> second booster for everyone. My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
>>>> month ago whether it was worth it or not. She said, we don't know, wait and see.
>>>
>>> I don't live in New York City. It might have peaked here (too early to
>>> tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
>>>
>>> My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
>>> it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
>>> prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
>>>
>>
>> Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
>> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
>
> That gives me a 20% chance of not getting it, or not getting a severe
> enough case for it to be a problem. I'll take those odds.
>

And I'll keep my natural immunity from having a (mild) case because
it gives me a 98% chance of not catching it again .
--
Snag
My rights don't end
where your fears begin .

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 by: rbowman - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:38 UTC

On 05/20/2022 05:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
>>>> impact on avoiding long Covid? We know it's not very effective in preventing
>>>> infection. You may not hear anything about possible long
>>>> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
>>>> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
>>>> message. You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
>>>> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
>>>> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
>>>> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
>>>> second booster for everyone. My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
>>>> month ago whether it was worth it or not. She said, we don't know, wait and see.
>>>
>>> I don't live in New York City. It might have peaked here (too early to
>>> tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
>>>
>>> My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
>>> it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
>>> prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
>>>
>>
>> Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
>> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
>
> That gives me a 20% chance of not getting it, or not getting a severe
> enough case for it to be a problem. I'll take those odds.
>

Bad math...

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 by: Pthirus Pubis - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:40 UTC

On 5/20/2022 9:16:26 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 6:59 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
>>>>> impact on avoiding long Covid?  We know it's not very effective in preventing
>>>>> infection.    You may not hear anything about possible long
>>>>> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
>>>>> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
>>>>> message.  You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
>>>>> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
>>>>> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
>>>>> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
>>>>> second booster for everyone.  My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
>>>>> month ago whether it was worth it or not.   She said, we don't know, wait and see.
>>>>
>>>> I don't live in New York City.  It might have peaked here (too early to
>>>> tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
>>>>
>>>> My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
>>>> it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
>>>> prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
>>>>
>>>
>>>     Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
>>> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
>>
>> That gives me a 20% chance of not getting it, or not getting a severe
>> enough case for it to be a problem.  I'll take those odds.
>>
>
>   And I'll keep my natural immunity from having a (mild) case because it gives me a 98% chance of not catching it again .

Bingo!

New Study Finds mRNA Vaccines Actually Hurt Long-Term Immunity to Covid Compared to the Unvaccinated

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/new-study-finds-mrna-vaccines-actually-hurt-long-term-immunity-covid-compared-unvaccinated/

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 by: Cindy Hamilton - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:48 UTC

On 2022-05-20, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@devnull.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
>>>> impact on avoiding long Covid? We know it's not very effective in preventing
>>>> infection. You may not hear anything about possible long
>>>> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
>>>> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
>>>> message. You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
>>>> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
>>>> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
>>>> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
>>>> second booster for everyone. My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
>>>> month ago whether it was worth it or not. She said, we don't know, wait and see.
>>>
>>> I don't live in New York City. It might have peaked here (too early to
>>> tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
>>>
>>> My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
>>> it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
>>> prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
>>>
>>
>> Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
>> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
>
> That gives me a 20% chance of not getting it, or not getting a severe
> enough case for it to be a problem. I'll take those odds.

It occurred to me later that your 80/20 statistic was interesting, but
not much more so than the number of COVID patients with blue eyes.

The real figures of interest: how many vaccinated people ended up with
negative outcomes (serious COVID or death)?

<https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination>

You can see an increase among vaccinated patients when omicron caused a
surge in cases, but a huge spike among the unvaccinated.

There's a 10x risk of dying from COVID among the unvaccinated.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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 by: Pthirus Pubis - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:53 UTC

On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
> vaccines if Trump had won?

President Trump did win...but the election was stolen. Biden's 81 million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.

The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.

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On 5/20/2022 1:40 PM, Pthirus Pubis wrote:

>>    And I'll keep my natural immunity from having a (mild) case because
>> it gives me a 98% chance of not catching it again .
>
>
> Bingo!
>
> New Study Finds mRNA Vaccines Actually Hurt Long-Term Immunity to Covid
> Compared to the Unvaccinated
>
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/new-study-finds-mrna-vaccines-actually-hurt-long-term-immunity-covid-compared-unvaccinated/
>

Yes, but you have to have Covid first. Keep that study in proper
context. The vaccine can prevent you from getting it in the first place.

Some people were not eligible for the study because they died from it.

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 by: Frank - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:21 UTC

On 5/20/2022 1:53 PM, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>> vaccines if Trump had won?
>
> President Trump did win...but the election was stolen.  Biden's 81
> million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.
>
> The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been
> voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.
>
>

Traitor is one of those duped by the media. Any republican would be
nuts to talk to Woodward who lies along with the rest of the media.

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 by: Frank - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:26 UTC

On 5/20/2022 9:13 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 6:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2022 3:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-20, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>      I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my
>>>>> life
>>>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly . I promise not to kill 'em
>>>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>>>> the truth will come out .
>>>>
>>>> When Bill Gates lands his black helicopter at your place and jabs you
>>>> with his mind-control chips, I hope you give him "a taste of the
>>>> grape".
>>>>
>>>> You already don't have the immune system you were born with, BTW.
>>>>
>>>
>>>     Bill won't land here , too hilly . He'll send his minions in their
>>> white suits with the blue helmets .
>>>      Yes , I DO know that . My immune system has been improved and
>>> strengthened by exposure to many different threats - which it has
>>> successfully fought off on it's own . I don't go running to the doctor
>>> every time I stub my toe like many people do . OHMYGOD , Johnny has a
>>> sniffle ! HURRY , get him to the emergency room !
>>
>> Did you receive any childhood vaccinations?  Polio?  Smallpox?
>>
>
>   Polio , yes . Smallpox I was already immune - as was my father , and
> is my oldest son . I had no control over decisions my parents made when
> I was a small child - did you ? LOOK AT THE VAERS DATA and you'll see we
> NEVER had this many reactions to any vaccine except the Covid ones . You
> choose your poison , I'll choose mine .

I get all offered and worst problem ever was a slightly sore arm. Did
have an infection from a shot in my eye for AMD and that took four extra
needles in the eye to clear up but I see fine and still get the shot
every three months.

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 by: micky - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:27 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 20:16:56 -0000 (UTC), Roger
Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:

>On 2022-05-19, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@devnull.com> wrote:
>> I'm more worried about the long-term effects of COVID than I am of the
>> vaccine.
>
>I've had the Red China virus and I've had colds in the past that were worse.
>It was a big nothing burger.
>
>> I've resumed masking, and I'm glad I got that fourth dose.
>
>LOL! Trying to stop the spread of a virus with a mask is like trying to
>stop a swarm of gnats with a chain link fence.

No, it's like trying to stop a swarm of gnats sitting on a herd of
bulls.

> If you can breathe through
>a mask it's not going to do diddly squat.

You really must learn to read.

>As far as the so-called "vaccines" (which are really experimental gene
>therapy), the only way anyone is going to get that poison into my veins
>would be to kill me first.

Hehe. Don't tempt them.

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 by: micky - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:32 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:57:09 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>
>There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>just thought about that.

I might remember that one.

>> I promise not to kill 'em
>>unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>the truth will come out .
>
>Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.

Whatever happened to her? I googled muggles midwest and didnt'
find anything. I can't remember what state she lived in.

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In <iWmXYghQJwfmuPQeDDiqlnwgwlJBOtpT@news.usenet.farm> Pthirus Pubis <pthirus.pubis@monday.day> writes:

>On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>> vaccines if Trump had won?

>President Trump did win...but the election was stolen. Biden's 81 million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.

>The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.

Hey "pubis". Do your parents know you put down those
beer cans long enough to tap into their computer?

Oh, yeah, I guess they'll find out when they have
to clean the booze off the keyboard.

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 by: micky - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:34 UTC

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 20 May 2022 05:33:19 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 7:34:10 AM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 3:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On 2022-05-19, trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And where's the data that shows getting the second booster has a meaningful
>> >> impact on avoiding long Covid? We know it's not very effective in preventing
>> >> infection. You may not hear anything about possible long
>> >> term effects from repeatedly being vaccinated because we've just started doing it
>> >> and I doubt there is much interest in even looking for it, because it doesn't fit the
>> >> message. You know I'm not anti-vaccine, but when this latest wave is still at
>> >> relatively low levels and is showing signs of peaking in NYC where it started
>> >> and yet another vaccine is coming in just a few months, I'm not seeing a great
>> >> benefit. Even CDC must have some concerns because they are not recommending the
>> >> second booster for everyone. My doctor agreed when I asked her about a
>> >> month ago whether it was worth it or not. She said, we don't know, wait and see.
>> >
>> > I don't live in New York City. It might have peaked here (too early to
>> > tell), but it was still on the uptick when I got my booster on April 10.
>> >
>> > My husband's allergist (whom he sees every week) strongly recommended
>> > it for him, and I'd be a fool to risk his life when a little jab might
>> > prevent me getting it and transmitting it to him.
>> >
>> Except that it WON'T keep you from getting it . Where have you been ,
>> reports are saying that over 80% of cases are among the multiple jabbed .
>> --
>> Snag
>
>Some important facts you left out. Yes, it's true that the current vaccines
>are not highly effective in preventing infection against the latest variant.
>But they are highly effective in preventing serious cases, hospitalizations
>and deaths. And they were highly effective in preventing symptomatic
>infection too with previous variants. They saved a lot of hospitalizations
>and deaths, saved our hospitals from being overwhelmed.

People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.

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On 5/20/2022 7:32 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:57:09 -0500, Jim Joyce
> <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>> and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>>
>> There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>> country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>> just thought about that.
>
> I might remember that one.
>
>>> I promise not to kill 'em
>>> unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>> welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>> instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>> the truth will come out .
>>
>> Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
>
> Whatever happened to her? I googled muggles midwest and didnt'
> find anything. I can't remember what state she lived in.

OK.

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 by: Dean Hoffman - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:44 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:32:23 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:57:09 -0500, Jim Joyce
> <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
> >>and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
> >
> >There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
> >country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
> >just thought about that.
> I might remember that one.
> >> I promise not to kill 'em
> >>unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
> >>welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
> >>instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
> >>the truth will come out .
> >
> >Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
> Whatever happened to her? I googled muggles midwest and didnt'
> find anything. I can't remember what state she lived in.

She was still kicking last summer.
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair/c/mRwLO-OXetg>

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 by: Jim Joyce - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:30 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 10:21:56 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

>On 5/20/2022 1:53 PM, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>>> vaccines if Trump had won?
>>
>> President Trump did win...but the election was stolen.  Biden's 81
>> million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.
>>
>> The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been
>> voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.
>>
>>
>
>Traitor is one of those duped by the media. Any republican would be
>nuts to talk to Woodward who lies along with the rest of the media.

Trump talked to Woodward. Some of the recordings have been released.

Is Trump nuts for talking to Woodward?

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 by: Frank - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:42 UTC

On 5/20/2022 11:30 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 10:21:56 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/2022 1:53 PM, Pthirus Pubis wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2022 8:25:57 AM, trader_4 wrote:
>>>> What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>>>> vaccines if Trump had won?
>>>
>>> President Trump did win...but the election was stolen.  Biden's 81
>>> million votes are as fake as a twitter bot.
>>>
>>> The experimental myocarditis clot-shots and the masks would have been
>>> voluntary since neither one is particularly effective.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Traitor is one of those duped by the media. Any republican would be
>> nuts to talk to Woodward who lies along with the rest of the media.
>
> Trump talked to Woodward. Some of the recordings have been released.
>
> Is Trump nuts for talking to Woodward?
>

People do make mistakes and obviously my comment was extreme.

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 by: Randy Patzkowski - Fri, 20 May 2022 16:48 UTC

On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
> People are too worried about hospitalization and death. If the
> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.

I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
OTOH, the tyrannical Constitution-hatin' democrats will likely be mandating a monkeypox clot-shot soon.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/convene-emergency-meeting-monkeypox-uk-cases-double-20/

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 by: Bob F - Fri, 20 May 2022 22:19 UTC

On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death.  If the
>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
>
> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.

Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.

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 by: Jim Joyce - Fri, 20 May 2022 22:39 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 05:25:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
<trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:57:15 PM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>> >and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>> There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>> country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>> just thought about that.
>
>I know that episode, it;s the one where Andy goes out there with
>the pretty county nurse.

That's the one. :-)

>> > I promise not to kill 'em
>> >unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>> >welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>> >instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>> >the truth will come out .
>> Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
>
>Did anyone figure out for sure what happened to her?

I don't know if anyone knew her real name. She used to go by Jenn, then
later Maggie/Muggles, no last name. Hard to say if either of those names
was real.

>What do you think would have happened with these people and the
>vaccines if Trump had won? It seems pretty good bet that Trump would
>have pushed the vaccines, he sure was trying to take all the credit for
>then in his last couple of months. Remember the victory lap at the WH,
>the one that the CEOs of the vaccine companies refused to attend?
>Trump was desperate to get the economy booming, so I would expect
>that he would want as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
>And he surely doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything other than
>himself, so it would have been interesting to see how this would have
>played out. My bet, Trump would have pushed the vaccine, would have
>gotten publicly vaccinated and the Trumpets would have fallen right in
>line and eagerly taken the Trump miracle vaccine.
>
>Also interesting, I'm reading Woodward's book, Rage, about Trump
>up to just before the election. Nothing much really new there that is
>big, except that Woodward heard from those in the WH the theory that
>China deliberately allowed the virus to spread outside China to screw
>the rest of the world. He asked Trump about that and Trump said he
>was actually the leader of that group. Another interesting thing that
>I had not heard before was that on a visit to Pearl Harbor, Kelly and others
>were shocked that Trump knew little about the history there either.
>If you want a movie to go with that one, Trump sounds like Bluto played
>by Belushi in Animal House. He was making a rambling speech where
>he said something like, "did we give up when the Germans bombed
>Pearl Harbor"?

There should be some kind of aptitude test before we award someone with
the title of President.

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 by: Jim Joyce - Fri, 20 May 2022 22:40 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 17:32:13 +0300, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:57:09 -0500, Jim Joyce
><none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:07:02 -0500, Snag <snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take any attempt to vaccinate me as an attempt upon my life
>>>and/or well-being , and react accordingly .
>>
>>There's an episode of Andy Griffith that directly deals with an ignorant
>>country bumpkin who's afraid to get an immunization. I don't know why I
>>just thought about that.
>
>I might remember that one.
>
>>> I promise not to kill 'em
>>>unless I have to ... Those of you who have chosen to take the shot are
>>>welcome to do so . I prefer to keep the immune system I was born with
>>>instead of buying it from Big Pharma . Don't believe me ? Just wait ,
>>>the truth will come out .
>>
>>Muggles used to say the same thing about her immune system.
>
>Whatever happened to her? I googled muggles midwest and didnt'
>find anything. I can't remember what state she lived in.

She claimed that Tulsa, Oklahoma, was her home.

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 by: Frank - Fri, 20 May 2022 22:44 UTC

On 5/20/2022 6:19 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 4:48 PM, Randy Patzkowski wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 10:34:41 AM, micky wrote:
>>> People are too worried about hospitalization and death.  If the
>>> Republicans want me hospitalized or dead, that's what matters.
>>
>> I don't know of any real Republicans who mandated masks or clot-shots.
>
> Of course. If a Repub believes in taking proper steps to lessen peoples
> risk, they are not a "real Repub" by the current definition of your sort
> of repub. "real repubs" march in step with trump and his tards.

Do not equate republicans with how you commies behave.

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