“'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
Politico - May 18, 2022
-- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:58:17 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> “'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
> Politico - May 18, 2022
> -- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420

Just declaring victory didn't work for Trump. That was one of the most
despicable and saddest things he did, going out at 1AM election night,
when none of the key states had been called yet, but he had a lead and
demanding that all counting stop, that any further counting is fraud.
At that point there were millions of ballots, 30% or more of the vote that
had not been counted. So Trump wanted to abort the election and deny
the votes of those Americans. And everyone including Trump knew for weeks
before the election that the absentee ballots would be heavily weighted
Democrat. That's because Trump for months said those ballots are fraud,
so Republicans avoided them, Democrats used them. I know a Republican
so far down the rabbit hole that they would not drop off their ballot here
in a GOP township at the drop box at the municipal building. They drove
15 miles to drop it off at the county election office drop box. And they
would not have used an absentee ballot at all if we had in person voting
in 2020 in NJ. So the absentee ballots that we knew were heavily Democrat
weighted get counted last, Trump loses and he starts his sore loser,
stolen election lies.

On 5/20/2022 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:58:17 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
>> “'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
>> Politico - May 18, 2022
>> -- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420
>
> Just declaring victory didn't work for Trump. That was one of the most
> despicable and saddest things he did, going out at 1AM election night,
> when none of the key states had been called yet, but he had a lead and
> demanding that all counting stop, that any further counting is fraud.
> At that point there were millions of ballots, 30% or more of the vote that
> had not been counted.

I saw last night on the news that 38% of the people still thing Trump
won. In spite of 26 state audits and 60 tossed court cases.

What is just as scary is that so many people believe what the shyster
tells them instead of looking at the facts and making a rational decision.

Mist be a defect in the human brain. That ability to lie and have
followers is how many dictators came to power and how some religions
function. People just let others think for them.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:58:14 -0700 (PDT), bruce
bowser <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>“'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
>Politico - May 18, 2022
>-- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420

I forget who Oz was running against, including who is almost tied with
him for 1st, but whoever voted for that other guy ought to be pretty
disgusted with Stumpie.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:11:59 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 8:45 AM, trader_4 wrote:
> > On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:58:17 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> >> “'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
> >> Politico - May 18, 2022
> >> -- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420
> >
> > Just declaring victory didn't work for Trump. That was one of the most
> > despicable and saddest things he did, going out at 1AM election night,
> > when none of the key states had been called yet, but he had a lead and
> > demanding that all counting stop, that any further counting is fraud.
> > At that point there were millions of ballots, 30% or more of the vote that
> > had not been counted.
> I saw last night on the news that 38% of the people still thing Trump
> won. In spite of 26 state audits and 60 tossed court cases.
>
> What is just as scary is that so many people believe what the shyster
> tells them instead of looking at the facts and making a rational decision..
>
> Mist be a defect in the human brain. That ability to lie and have
> followers is how many dictators came to power and how some religions
> function. People just let others think for them.

The latest allegations are in the movie that just came out. What it amounts to
is interesting. They bought cell phone location data that shows were cell phones
were during the election period. That you can just buy this data, which shows
the cellphone location but not the person's name, or I assume number. They
screened for phones that were near drop boxes ten times or more and near
some suspect non-profits 5 or more times. The implication being that these
were paid mules dropping off ballots illegally. It is illegal to be harvesting
ballots, even if they are legitimate, in most of the states they looked at. And
they looked at the highly contested counties. So they found 2000 of these
that met the metrics. There is also an unidentified person claiming that
this was happening.

Question is, what does it all mean? These drop offs are at spots where
there is high traffic, eg outside a municipal building entrance. So that someone's
cell phone passed there then times doesn't mean much, could be a municipal
worker. Could be a food delivery person that went there and also delivered to
the suspect non-profit. But it is interesting and it would be good if someone
could track these people down, which would be possible with info from the
phone company. Whether there is enough there to get a warrant, which AFAIK
would be requied, IDK. Certainly doesn't seem like election officials are going
to be eager to pursue it. And finally, even if there was some fraud, we know some
happens in every election and even if some of this was fraud, that's a long way
from proving it would have changed the result.

Here is a story:
https://fox11online.com/news/election/2000-mules-movie-documentary-film-dinesh-dsouza-2020-presidential-election-donald-trump-joe-biden-associated-press-fact-check

They also found a couple of people who said they fit the pattern, but had
valid explanations of why. But the Trumpets don't want to hear any of that,
just the movie put forth is all the "evidence" they need.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:14:49 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:58:14 -0700 (PDT), bruce
> bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >“'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
> >Politico - May 18, 2022
> >-- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420
> I forget who Oz was running against, including who is almost tied with
> him for 1st, but whoever voted for that other guy ought to be pretty
> disgusted with Stumpie.

The sad thing here is that in almost all these primaries the alternates to the
Trump endorsement are still on the Trump train to hell anyway. He just choose
the one he figured likely to win and who did the most Trump ass kissing. His
guy in Ohio, Vance, who won, was a never Trumper in 2016 with no experience..
So after 4 years, losing the WH, Senate and House, with it ending in the despicable
Trump sore loser incited insurrection, with Trump having proven how right we
never Trumpers had been all along, almost all of these Republicans still want more.
With the Democrats committing suicide at every turn, the GOP will win big in
Nov and Trump will take credit and be even more in control.

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:02:24 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:14:49 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
> > In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 19 May 2022 21:58:14 -0700 (PDT), bruce
> > bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >“'Dr. Oz should declare victory. It makes it much harder for them to cheat with the ballots that they ‘just happened to find,’” Trump said"
> > >Politico - May 18, 2022
> > >-- https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/trump-dr-oz-should-declare-victory-pennsylvania-00033420
> > I forget who Oz was running against, including who is almost tied with
> > him for 1st, but whoever voted for that other guy ought to be pretty
> > disgusted with Stumpie.
>
> The sad thing here is that in almost all these primaries the alternates to the
> Trump endorsement are still on the Trump train to hell anyway.

There's always an organized-crime friendly party in every country. No way to avoid that.