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by: henh...@gmail.com - Thu, 19 May 2022 17:10 UTC

recently i was wondering if [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression, and Net-searching got me nothing. Does it occur in Homer ?

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>>> Here are all (sic!) the possible meanings and translations of the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu].

---------- Remarkably; strange to say; marvelous to relate.

Etymology: [Latin.] wonderfully, amazingly; It's a miracle!

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Do some educated ppl say the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu]. ???

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by: Ed Cryer - Thu, 19 May 2022 19:24 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> recently i was wondering if [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression, and Net-searching got me nothing. Does it occur in Homer ?
>
> _________________________
>
>>>> Here are all (sic!) the possible meanings and translations of the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu].
>
> ---------- Remarkably; strange to say; marvelous to relate.
>
> Etymology: [Latin.] wonderfully, amazingly; It's a miracle!
>
> _________________________
>
> Do some educated ppl say the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu]. ???
θαῦμα ἰδέσθαι (Iliad, Book 5, line 711); which, given the missing
obsolete digamma, is a perfect hexameter ending, as is "mirabile dictu".
That opens the door in Greek for any other passive infinitive, just as
Latin can have "mirabile visu" or " mirabile auditu".
The grammar is different. How would you feel about Latin "mirabile videri"?
Ed

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by: henh...@gmail.com - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:49 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:25:00 PM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > recently i was wondering if [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression, and Net-searching got me nothing. Does it occur in Homer ?
> >
> > _________________________
> >
> >>>> Here are all (sic!) the possible meanings and translations of the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu].
> >
> > ---------- Remarkably; strange to say; marvelous to relate.
> >
> > Etymology: [Latin.] wonderfully, amazingly; It's a miracle!
> >
> > _________________________
> >
> > Do some educated ppl say the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu]. ???
> θαῦμα ἰδέσθαι (Iliad, Book 5, line 711); which, given the missing
> obsolete digamma, is a perfect hexameter ending, as is "mirabile dictu".
> That opens the door in Greek for any other passive infinitive, just as
> Latin can have "mirabile visu" or " mirabile auditu".
> The grammar is different. How would you feel about Latin "mirabile videri"?
>
> Ed

thank you!!!
in the Odyssey, Book 1 i don't see [θώϋμ, θώμ] but i see
https://sacred-texts.com/cla/homer/greek/ody01.htm
Τηλέμαχον θαύμαζον, ὃ θαρσαλέως ἀγόρευεν.
τὸν δ' αὖτ' Ἀντίνοος προσέφη, Εὐπείθεος υἱός:
"Τηλέμαχ', ἦ μάλα δή σε διδάσκουσιν θεοὶ αὐτοὶ
ὑψαγόρην τ' ἔμεναι καὶ θαρσαλέως ἀγορεύειν: 385
--------- which i guess is Telemachus marvelling.

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by: henh...@gmail.com - Sat, 21 May 2022 17:19 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 8:49:18 AM UTC-7, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:25:00 PM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> > henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > recently i was wondering if [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression, and Net-searching got me nothing. Does it occur in Homer ?
> > >
> > > _________________________
> > >
> > >>>> Here are all (sic!) the possible meanings and translations of the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu].
> > >
> > > ---------- Remarkably; strange to say; marvelous to relate.
> > >
> > > Etymology: [Latin.] wonderfully, amazingly; It's a miracle!
> > >
> > > _________________________
> > >
> > > Do some educated ppl say the word (sic!) [mirabile dictu]. ???
> > θαῦμα ἰδέσθαι (Iliad, Book 5, line 711); which, given the missing
> > obsolete digamma, is a perfect hexameter ending, as is "mirabile dictu"..
> > That opens the door in Greek for any other passive infinitive, just as
> > Latin can have "mirabile visu" or " mirabile auditu".
> > The grammar is different. How would you feel about Latin "mirabile videri"?
> >
> > Ed
> thank you!!!
>
> in the Odyssey, Book 1 i don't see [θώϋμ, θώμ] but i see
>
> https://sacred-texts.com/cla/homer/greek/ody01.htm
> Τηλέμαχον θαύμαζον, ὃ θαρσαλέως ἀγόρευεν.
>
> τὸν δ' αὖτ' Ἀντίνοος προσέφη, Εὐπείθεος υἱός:
> "Τηλέμαχ', ἦ μάλα δή σε διδάσκουσιν θεοὶ αὐτοὶ
> ὑψαγόρην τ' ἔμεναι καὶ θαρσαλέως ἀγορεύειν: 385
>
> --------- which i guess is Telemachus marvelling.

great Etym. trivia : The word [Escape] comes from the Vulgar Latin 'excappare', which
meant to "leave a pursuer with just one's cape" (Latin ex- "out of" + Late Latin cappa "hooded cloak")

pls share a great Etym. trivia (and/or morsel, gem) related to English and/or Latin.

i think i might have gone over this before but... i'd like to receive email from Mr.Ed if possible. HH (i'm assuming that my full email adrs is visible to all) HH

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[mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression ?	henh...@gmail.com
Re: [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression ?	Ed Cryer
Re: [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression ?	henh...@gmail.com
Re: [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression ?	henh...@gmail.com
Re: [mirabile dictu] came from a Greek expression ?	A.T. Murray