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 by: slider - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 15:48 UTC

Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline
project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany,
after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.

Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished in
September, but has stood idle pending certification by Germany and the
European Union. Mr Zelenskyy said: "Ukraine welcomes to decisions made
yesterday and today to introduce sanctions against the Russian federation
by the European Union, the USA, the UK and Canada.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1570664/ukraine-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-russia-sanction-germany-NordStream2-gas-vn

"We do expect further sanctions.

"It is also very important to see Germany's decision to halt the approval
of Nord Stream 2.

"It is very important to fully stop this project which is a weapon.

"Their weapon that is already being used against Ukraine, against the
whole of Europe."

The pipeline had been set to ease the pressure on European consumers
facing record energy prices amid a wider post-pandemic cost of living
crisis, and on governments that have already forked out billions to try to
cushion the impact on consumers.

But on Tuesday the European benchmark gas price, currently the Dutch March
contract, was up 9.8% at 78.95 euros per megawatt hour (MWh) at 1607 GMT,
much like the price for the fourth quarter, when Nord Stream 2 had been
expected to start.

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and now deputy chairman of its
Security Council, tried to rub salt in that wound.

"Welcome to the new world where Europeans will soon have to pay 2,000
euros per thousand cubic metres!" he tweeted - suggesting prices were set
to double.

President Vladimir Putin did pledge, however, that Russia would not
interrupt any of its existing gas supplies.

The Kremlin hoped the delay of Nord Stream 2 would be temporary, Interfax
news agency reported, citing Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov.

Germany gets half its gas from Russia and had argued that Nord Stream 2
was primarily a commercial project to diversify energy supplies for Europe.

But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition
within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds that
it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as denying
transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and making
it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.

### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and they
get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of abuse
coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion gas
bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real reason
a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?

and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia
billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we do
that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off altogether
on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us cheap
cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with such
heavy sanctions?)

fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our
proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))

fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping mad
about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all 'loans'
to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)

chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have never
come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more, MUCH
MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it MORE!

shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?

plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the ensuing war
anyway??

sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...

there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out
their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why not
instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean' with
russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for winding
ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this now?
(they called our bluff and we lost!)

and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little problem
doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the west is
thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them (really
don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna
eventually settle down to be!

and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard at the
moment everywhere!)

the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??

(damn maybe we do!)

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 by: chris rodgers - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:47 UTC

Listen to me cunt, and listen good.

You keep up with this shit aimed at Ukraine and supporting Russia, and
your address and your name will be posted on every Ukraine usenet
group as an enemy of their nation. And essentially, you will be
identified as a supporter of Putin and his aggression against men,
women and children who to this point, were living in peace. Quotations
and citations from your very own POASTS will be included.

I'm sure there are plenty of Ukrainians in London. It will only take
a GPS system to find their way to Hailsham Avenue, No. 7. You can
then discuss your views directly with those whose relatives and loved
ones are being killed by Russians in Kiev.

This has become deadly serious. A matter of life or death. If I
could, I would be there fighting with Zelensky and his other brave
compadres. They don't need fifth column CUNTS like you, you fucking
soft fat fuck, whiteanting them while they fight for their life.

Take a hint, CUNT

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 15:48:39 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline
>project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany,
>after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.
>
>Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished in
>September, but has stood idle pending certification by Germany and the
>European Union. Mr Zelenskyy said: "Ukraine welcomes to decisions made
>yesterday and today to introduce sanctions against the Russian federation
>by the European Union, the USA, the UK and Canada.
>
>https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1570664/ukraine-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-russia-sanction-germany-NordStream2-gas-vn
>
>"We do expect further sanctions.
>
>"It is also very important to see Germany's decision to halt the approval
>of Nord Stream 2.
>
>"It is very important to fully stop this project which is a weapon.
>
>"Their weapon that is already being used against Ukraine, against the
>whole of Europe."
>
>The pipeline had been set to ease the pressure on European consumers
>facing record energy prices amid a wider post-pandemic cost of living
>crisis, and on governments that have already forked out billions to try to
>cushion the impact on consumers.
>
>But on Tuesday the European benchmark gas price, currently the Dutch March
>contract, was up 9.8% at 78.95 euros per megawatt hour (MWh) at 1607 GMT,
>much like the price for the fourth quarter, when Nord Stream 2 had been
>expected to start.
>
>Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and now deputy chairman of its
>Security Council, tried to rub salt in that wound.
>
>"Welcome to the new world where Europeans will soon have to pay 2,000
>euros per thousand cubic metres!" he tweeted - suggesting prices were set
>to double.
>
>President Vladimir Putin did pledge, however, that Russia would not
>interrupt any of its existing gas supplies.
>
>The Kremlin hoped the delay of Nord Stream 2 would be temporary, Interfax
>news agency reported, citing Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov.
>
>Germany gets half its gas from Russia and had argued that Nord Stream 2
>was primarily a commercial project to diversify energy supplies for Europe.
>
>But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition
>within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds that
>it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as denying
>transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and making
>it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.
>
>### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and they
>get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of abuse
>coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion gas
>bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real reason
>a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?
>
>and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia
>billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we do
>that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off altogether
>on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us cheap
>cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with such
>heavy sanctions?)
>
>fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our
>proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))
>
>fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping mad
>about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all 'loans'
>to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)
>
>chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have never
>come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more, MUCH
>MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it MORE!
>
>shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?
>
>plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the ensuing war
>anyway??
>
>sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...
>
>there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out
>their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why not
>instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean' with
>russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for winding
>ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this now?
>(they called our bluff and we lost!)
>
>and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little problem
>doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the west is
>thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them (really
>don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna
>eventually settle down to be!
>
>and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard at the
>moment everywhere!)
>
>the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??
>
>(damn maybe we do!)

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 by: slider - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:08 UTC

### - does anyone know what this deranged simpleton is even TALKING
about???

am NOT on russia's side ffs, am deploring the political situation that's
leading us ALL into ww3 you fucking idiot! there's lies and war-propaganda
coming from BOTH sides you FOOL + fyi i even have friends here from
ukraine so i understand their pov!

now stop shit-stirring just coz YOU'RE having a panic attack!

the ONLY side am on is HUMANITY'S side ok? so stfu!

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:47:50 -0000, thang wrote:

> Listen to me cunt, and listen good.
>
> You keep up with this shit aimed at Ukraine and supporting Russia, and
> your address and your name will be posted on every Ukraine usenet
> group as an enemy of their nation. And essentially, you will be
> identified as a supporter of Putin and his aggression against men,
> women and children who to this point, were living in peace. Quotations
> and citations from your very own POASTS will be included.
>
> I'm sure there are plenty of Ukrainians in London. It will only take
> a GPS system to find their way to Hailsham Avenue, No. 7. You can
> then discuss your views directly with those whose relatives and loved
> ones are being killed by Russians in Kiev.
>
> This has become deadly serious. A matter of life or death. If I
> could, I would be there fighting with Zelensky and his other brave
> compadres. They don't need fifth column CUNTS like you, you fucking
> soft fat fuck, whiteanting them while they fight for their life.
>
> Take a hint, CUNT
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 15:48:39 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline
>> project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany,
>> after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern
>> Ukraine.
>>
>> Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished
>> in
>> September, but has stood idle pending certification by Germany and the
>> European Union. Mr Zelenskyy said: "Ukraine welcomes to decisions made
>> yesterday and today to introduce sanctions against the Russian
>> federation
>> by the European Union, the USA, the UK and Canada.
>>
>> https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1570664/ukraine-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-russia-sanction-germany-NordStream2-gas-vn
>>
>> "We do expect further sanctions.
>>
>> "It is also very important to see Germany's decision to halt the
>> approval
>> of Nord Stream 2.
>>
>> "It is very important to fully stop this project which is a weapon.
>>
>> "Their weapon that is already being used against Ukraine, against the
>> whole of Europe."
>>
>> The pipeline had been set to ease the pressure on European consumers
>> facing record energy prices amid a wider post-pandemic cost of living
>> crisis, and on governments that have already forked out billions to try
>> to
>> cushion the impact on consumers.
>>
>> But on Tuesday the European benchmark gas price, currently the Dutch
>> March
>> contract, was up 9.8% at 78.95 euros per megawatt hour (MWh) at 1607
>> GMT,
>> much like the price for the fourth quarter, when Nord Stream 2 had been
>> expected to start.
>>
>> Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and now deputy chairman of
>> its
>> Security Council, tried to rub salt in that wound.
>>
>> "Welcome to the new world where Europeans will soon have to pay 2,000
>> euros per thousand cubic metres!" he tweeted - suggesting prices were
>> set
>> to double.
>>
>> President Vladimir Putin did pledge, however, that Russia would not
>> interrupt any of its existing gas supplies.
>>
>> The Kremlin hoped the delay of Nord Stream 2 would be temporary,
>> Interfax
>> news agency reported, citing Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov.
>>
>> Germany gets half its gas from Russia and had argued that Nord Stream 2
>> was primarily a commercial project to diversify energy supplies for
>> Europe.
>>
>> But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition
>> within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds that
>> it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as
>> denying
>> transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and
>> making
>> it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.
>>
>> ### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and
>> they
>> get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of
>> abuse
>> coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion gas
>> bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real
>> reason
>> a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?
>>
>> and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia
>> billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we do
>> that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off altogether
>> on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us
>> cheap
>> cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with
>> such
>> heavy sanctions?)
>>
>> fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our
>> proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))
>>
>> fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping
>> mad
>> about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all
>> 'loans'
>> to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)
>>
>> chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have never
>> come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more, MUCH
>> MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it MORE!
>>
>> shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?
>>
>> plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the ensuing
>> war
>> anyway??
>>
>> sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...
>>
>> there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out
>> their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why not
>> instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean' with
>> russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for
>> winding
>> ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this
>> now?
>> (they called our bluff and we lost!)
>>
>> and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little problem
>> doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the west is
>> thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them
>> (really
>> don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna
>> eventually settle down to be!
>>
>> and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard at
>> the
>> moment everywhere!)
>>
>> the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??
>>
>> (damn maybe we do!)

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 by: chris rodgers - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:30 UTC

Got your attention, yes?

Tens of millions of right thinking people across the globe are
supporting Ukraine against this unhinged cunt in his bunker under the
Kremlin. You have shown your true colors. Read what you posted
below.

If throwing you to the dogs is one small part of the fight against
Putin that I can accomplish, then I will do it.

A word of caution. Examine every word you post about Ukraine. I
don't give a shit about anythiing else you post, but Ukraine is off
limits unless you support Ukraine, freedom, democracy and the West. If
I see the sort of crap you posted below (re-read it, idiot) then I
will take action. It will be completely legal action, just ensuring
you have a far wider audience for your actions, words and views
perhaps than you intended.

Pull your fucking head in.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:08:19 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>### - does anyone know what this deranged simpleton is even TALKING
>about???
>
>am NOT on russia's side ffs, am deploring the political situation that's
>leading us ALL into ww3 you fucking idiot! there's lies and war-propaganda
>coming from BOTH sides you FOOL + fyi i even have friends here from
>ukraine so i understand their pov!
>
>now stop shit-stirring just coz YOU'RE having a panic attack!
>
>the ONLY side am on is HUMANITY'S side ok? so stfu!
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:47:50 -0000, thang wrote:
>
>> Listen to me cunt, and listen good.
>>
>> You keep up with this shit aimed at Ukraine and supporting Russia, and
>> your address and your name will be posted on every Ukraine usenet
>> group as an enemy of their nation. And essentially, you will be
>> identified as a supporter of Putin and his aggression against men,
>> women and children who to this point, were living in peace. Quotations
>> and citations from your very own POASTS will be included.
>>
>> I'm sure there are plenty of Ukrainians in London. It will only take
>> a GPS system to find their way to Hailsham Avenue, No. 7. You can
>> then discuss your views directly with those whose relatives and loved
>> ones are being killed by Russians in Kiev.
>>
>> This has become deadly serious. A matter of life or death. If I
>> could, I would be there fighting with Zelensky and his other brave
>> compadres. They don't need fifth column CUNTS like you, you fucking
>> soft fat fuck, whiteanting them while they fight for their life.
>>
>> Take a hint, CUNT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 15:48:39 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline
>>> project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany,
>>> after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern
>>> Ukraine.
>>>
>>> Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished
>>> in
>>> September, but has stood idle pending certification by Germany and the
>>> European Union. Mr Zelenskyy said: "Ukraine welcomes to decisions made
>>> yesterday and today to introduce sanctions against the Russian
>>> federation
>>> by the European Union, the USA, the UK and Canada.
>>>
>>> https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1570664/ukraine-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-russia-sanction-germany-NordStream2-gas-vn
>>>
>>> "We do expect further sanctions.
>>>
>>> "It is also very important to see Germany's decision to halt the
>>> approval
>>> of Nord Stream 2.
>>>
>>> "It is very important to fully stop this project which is a weapon.
>>>
>>> "Their weapon that is already being used against Ukraine, against the
>>> whole of Europe."
>>>
>>> The pipeline had been set to ease the pressure on European consumers
>>> facing record energy prices amid a wider post-pandemic cost of living
>>> crisis, and on governments that have already forked out billions to try
>>> to
>>> cushion the impact on consumers.
>>>
>>> But on Tuesday the European benchmark gas price, currently the Dutch
>>> March
>>> contract, was up 9.8% at 78.95 euros per megawatt hour (MWh) at 1607
>>> GMT,
>>> much like the price for the fourth quarter, when Nord Stream 2 had been
>>> expected to start.
>>>
>>> Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and now deputy chairman of
>>> its
>>> Security Council, tried to rub salt in that wound.
>>>
>>> "Welcome to the new world where Europeans will soon have to pay 2,000
>>> euros per thousand cubic metres!" he tweeted - suggesting prices were
>>> set
>>> to double.
>>>
>>> President Vladimir Putin did pledge, however, that Russia would not
>>> interrupt any of its existing gas supplies.
>>>
>>> The Kremlin hoped the delay of Nord Stream 2 would be temporary,
>>> Interfax
>>> news agency reported, citing Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov.
>>>
>>> Germany gets half its gas from Russia and had argued that Nord Stream 2
>>> was primarily a commercial project to diversify energy supplies for
>>> Europe.
>>>
>>> But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition
>>> within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds that
>>> it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as
>>> denying
>>> transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and
>>> making
>>> it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.
>>>
>>> ### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and
>>> they
>>> get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of
>>> abuse
>>> coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion gas
>>> bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real
>>> reason
>>> a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?
>>>
>>> and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia
>>> billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we do
>>> that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off altogether
>>> on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us
>>> cheap
>>> cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with
>>> such
>>> heavy sanctions?)
>>>
>>> fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our
>>> proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))
>>>
>>> fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping
>>> mad
>>> about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all
>>> 'loans'
>>> to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)
>>>
>>> chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have never
>>> come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more, MUCH
>>> MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it MORE!
>>>
>>> shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?
>>>
>>> plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the ensuing
>>> war
>>> anyway??
>>>
>>> sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...
>>>
>>> there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out
>>> their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why not
>>> instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean' with
>>> russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for
>>> winding
>>> ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this
>>> now?
>>> (they called our bluff and we lost!)
>>>
>>> and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little problem
>>> doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the west is
>>> thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them
>>> (really
>>> don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna
>>> eventually settle down to be!
>>>
>>> and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard at
>>> the
>>> moment everywhere!)
>>>
>>> the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??
>>>
>>> (damn maybe we do!)


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 by: slider - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:39 UTC

### - go read a history book or 10 thang coz that's the ONLY place am
coming from!

plus we (the public) are currently being bombarded by both western AND
russian propaganda, and picking the 'truth' outta that morass of
public-manipulation is very difficult if not nigh impossible...

all WE can do, here... is to watch and speculate... meanwhile, the west is
winding everyone up to to go to... war ffs!

and believe me, THAT isn't gonna solve anything!

> Got your attention, yes?
>
> Tens of millions of right thinking people across the globe are
> supporting Ukraine against this unhinged cunt in his bunker under the
> Kremlin. You have shown your true colors. Read what you posted
> below.
>
> If throwing you to the dogs is one small part of the fight against
> Putin that I can accomplish, then I will do it.
>
> A word of caution. Examine every word you post about Ukraine. I
> don't give a shit about anythiing else you post, but Ukraine is off
> limits unless you support Ukraine, freedom, democracy and the West. If
> I see the sort of crap you posted below (re-read it, idiot) then I
> will take action. It will be completely legal action, just ensuring
> you have a far wider audience for your actions, words and views
> perhaps than you intended.
>
> Pull your fucking head in.
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:08:19 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ### - does anyone know what this deranged simpleton is even TALKING
>> about???
>>
>> am NOT on russia's side ffs, am deploring the political situation that's
>> leading us ALL into ww3 you fucking idiot! there's lies and
>> war-propaganda
>> coming from BOTH sides you FOOL + fyi i even have friends here from
>> ukraine so i understand their pov!
>>
>> now stop shit-stirring just coz YOU'RE having a panic attack!
>>
>> the ONLY side am on is HUMANITY'S side ok? so stfu!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:47:50 -0000, thang wrote:
>>
>>> Listen to me cunt, and listen good.
>>>
>>> You keep up with this shit aimed at Ukraine and supporting Russia, and
>>> your address and your name will be posted on every Ukraine usenet
>>> group as an enemy of their nation. And essentially, you will be
>>> identified as a supporter of Putin and his aggression against men,
>>> women and children who to this point, were living in peace. Quotations
>>> and citations from your very own POASTS will be included.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are plenty of Ukrainians in London. It will only take
>>> a GPS system to find their way to Hailsham Avenue, No. 7. You can
>>> then discuss your views directly with those whose relatives and loved
>>> ones are being killed by Russians in Kiev.
>>>
>>> This has become deadly serious. A matter of life or death. If I
>>> could, I would be there fighting with Zelensky and his other brave
>>> compadres. They don't need fifth column CUNTS like you, you fucking
>>> soft fat fuck, whiteanting them while they fight for their life.
>>>
>>> Take a hint, CUNT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 15:48:39 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline
>>>> project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany,
>>>> after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern
>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>
>>>> Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished
>>>> in
>>>> September, but has stood idle pending certification by Germany and the
>>>> European Union. Mr Zelenskyy said: "Ukraine welcomes to decisions made
>>>> yesterday and today to introduce sanctions against the Russian
>>>> federation
>>>> by the European Union, the USA, the UK and Canada.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1570664/ukraine-Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-russia-sanction-germany-NordStream2-gas-vn
>>>>
>>>> "We do expect further sanctions.
>>>>
>>>> "It is also very important to see Germany's decision to halt the
>>>> approval
>>>> of Nord Stream 2.
>>>>
>>>> "It is very important to fully stop this project which is a weapon.
>>>>
>>>> "Their weapon that is already being used against Ukraine, against the
>>>> whole of Europe."
>>>>
>>>> The pipeline had been set to ease the pressure on European consumers
>>>> facing record energy prices amid a wider post-pandemic cost of living
>>>> crisis, and on governments that have already forked out billions to
>>>> try
>>>> to
>>>> cushion the impact on consumers.
>>>>
>>>> But on Tuesday the European benchmark gas price, currently the Dutch
>>>> March
>>>> contract, was up 9.8% at 78.95 euros per megawatt hour (MWh) at 1607
>>>> GMT,
>>>> much like the price for the fourth quarter, when Nord Stream 2 had
>>>> been
>>>> expected to start.
>>>>
>>>> Dmitry Medvedev, Russia's former president and now deputy chairman of
>>>> its
>>>> Security Council, tried to rub salt in that wound.
>>>>
>>>> "Welcome to the new world where Europeans will soon have to pay 2,000
>>>> euros per thousand cubic metres!" he tweeted - suggesting prices were
>>>> set
>>>> to double.
>>>>
>>>> President Vladimir Putin did pledge, however, that Russia would not
>>>> interrupt any of its existing gas supplies.
>>>>
>>>> The Kremlin hoped the delay of Nord Stream 2 would be temporary,
>>>> Interfax
>>>> news agency reported, citing Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov.
>>>>
>>>> Germany gets half its gas from Russia and had argued that Nord Stream
>>>> 2
>>>> was primarily a commercial project to diversify energy supplies for
>>>> Europe.
>>>>
>>>> But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition
>>>> within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds
>>>> that
>>>> it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as
>>>> denying
>>>> transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and
>>>> making
>>>> it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.
>>>>
>>>> ### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and
>>>> they
>>>> get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of
>>>> abuse
>>>> coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion gas
>>>> bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real
>>>> reason
>>>> a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?
>>>>
>>>> and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia
>>>> billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we
>>>> do
>>>> that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off
>>>> altogether
>>>> on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us
>>>> cheap
>>>> cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with
>>>> such
>>>> heavy sanctions?)
>>>>
>>>> fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our
>>>> proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))
>>>>
>>>> fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping
>>>> mad
>>>> about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all
>>>> 'loans'
>>>> to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)
>>>>
>>>> chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have
>>>> never
>>>> come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more,
>>>> MUCH
>>>> MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it
>>>> MORE!
>>>>
>>>> shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?
>>>>
>>>> plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the ensuing
>>>> war
>>>> anyway??
>>>>
>>>> sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...
>>>>
>>>> there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out
>>>> their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why not
>>>> instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean' with
>>>> russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for
>>>> winding
>>>> ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this
>>>> now?
>>>> (they called our bluff and we lost!)
>>>>
>>>> and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little
>>>> problem
>>>> doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the west
>>>> is
>>>> thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them
>>>> (really
>>>> don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna
>>>> eventually settle down to be!
>>>>
>>>> and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard at
>>>> the
>>>> moment everywhere!)
>>>>
>>>> the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??
>>>>
>>>> (damn maybe we do!)


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 by: slider - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 12:04 UTC

### - have read ALL this again in fine detail thang and can't see what
you're going on about?

have clarified each block again for you anyway...

>>>>> But despite the potential benefits, the pipeline had faced opposition
>>>>> within the European Union and from the United States on the grounds
>>>>> that
>>>>> it would increase Europe's energy dependence on Russia as well as
>>>>> denying
>>>>> transit fees to Ukraine, host to another Russian gas pipeline, and
>>>>> making
>>>>> it more vulnerable to Russian invasion.
>>>>>
>>>>> ### - ukraine don't want the pipeline because it bypasses ukraine and
>>>>> they
>>>>> get billions in transit fees from the old one, this above torrent of
>>>>> abuse
>>>>> coming from the very same dudes who refused to pay their 3-billion
>>>>> gas
>>>>> bill, which 'they' were using as a weapon at the time + is the real
>>>>> reason
>>>>> a 2nd pipeline even became necessary?

### - don't you remember when this happened thang? a few years ago now,
they suddenly refused to pay and russia threatened to cut them off? caused
a bit of a flap at the time because europe gets 40% of their gas VIA that
pipeline...

>>>>> and while it makes sense to sanction the new pipeline costing russia
>>>>> billions in revenue, it's gonna cost europe even more billions if we
>>>>> do
>>>>> that?? and THAT'S providing russia doesn't cut the supply off
>>>>> altogether
>>>>> on the old pipeline too! (as in why should they continue to give us
>>>>> cheap
>>>>> cut-price gas - 40% of europe's needs - when we're hitting them with
>>>>> such
>>>>> heavy sanctions?)

### - i.e., am questioning the rational sense of blocking the gas?

>>>>> fuck me, come next winter we're likely all gonna be freezing our
>>>>> proverbial bollocks-off here mate! :)))
>>>>>
>>>>> fuel cost have ALREADY just doubled/trebled here and peeps is hopping
>>>>> mad
>>>>> about it! (don't worry though, our government's gonna give us all
>>>>> 'loans'
>>>>> to help pay for 'part' of it, geez how kind!)

### - i.e., they's saying now that by next year here, utility costs will
be as much as 50% of people's income!

>>>>> chit-chat about 're-routing' europe's gas supplies altogether have
>>>>> never
>>>>> come to anything, ANY alternative, WHATSOEVER, costing a lot more,
>>>>> MUCH
>>>>> MORE! beyond the point of ordinary people being able to afford it
>>>>> MORE!
>>>>>
>>>>> shooting ourselves in the foot we are!?
>>>>>
>>>>> plus who's to say the current pipeline wont get damaged in the
>>>>> ensuing
>>>>> war
>>>>> anyway??

### - iow: if we DON'T use russian gas it's gonna fuck europe's ecomomy
right up!

to which end they've NOW decided NOT to sanction the gas that's already
coming through!

nord stream 2 is out, but that hasn't even been opened yet anyway...

>>>>> sigh, what a miserable state of affairs we gots now then huh...

### - that's my 'personal' pov & position ok?

>>>>> there basically being nada we can do now to 'stop' russia sorting-out
>>>>> their 'own' security concerns (unless we attack them that is!) why
>>>>> not
>>>>> instead of tearing-off our shirts and getting all 'hard' & 'mean'
>>>>> with
>>>>> russia - which, let's face it, isn't gonna do fuck-all except for
>>>>> winding
>>>>> ourselves up... and start talking sensibly with russia about all this
>>>>> now?
>>>>> (they called our bluff and we lost!)

### - iow: from they've gone as far as actually attacking, they ain't
gonna just stop now...

>>>>> and coz russia ain't gonna stop now in 'making-sure' this little
>>>>> problem
>>>>> doesn't EVER arise AGAIN with ukraine? (ukraine as a pawn of the
>>>>> west is
>>>>> thus history!) that UNLESS we're actually planning to attack them
>>>>> (really
>>>>> don't recommend that one lol) then THAT'S the way it's ALL gonna
>>>>> eventually settle down to be!

### - iow: am just saying there that now they've started they're likely
gonna attempt to 'complete' the whatever move they've got planned, yes?

that the ONLY thing that might stop them now they've started is IF we
attack them in some way!

>>>>> and we NEED that fuckin' fuel! (and other shit too coz life is hard
>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> moment everywhere!)

### - this is correct, as borne out by the west's decision now NOT to
sanction the gas BECAUSE (as biden also said) that would make life more
difficult for europe!

>>>>> the ONLY alternative is a war then! and do we really want... that??
>>>>>
>>>>> (damn maybe we do!)

### - so are we gonna have ww3 'for real' over this or not??

imho we should seek dialogue NOT war!

so PLEASE now show me where ANYWHERE in the above where i was supporting
russia????

(i wasn't, not at all...)

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