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* Tomatoes, v2021Drew Lawson
+* Re: Tomatoes, v2021Ralph Mowery
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 by: Drew Lawson - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:16 UTC

So I went out to the garden to check on just how much of a disaster
it is (and it is), and discovered a double handful of ripe Black
Plum tomatoes.

I'd expected the tomatoes to be struggling, as I still haven't
cleared the tall weeds that are near them. But they seem to be
thriving on the neglect. Two of the cages appear to have leaf spot,
but also have healthy new growth. So now that I've sprayed for the
fungus they should recover nicely.

Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.

I also want to experiment with some small batches of ketchup. I
bought a bottle months ago and it is so sweet that I can't use it.

Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
didn't look long.)

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 by: Ralph Mowery - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 23:32 UTC

In article <sda6bg$cj$1@raid.furrfu.com>, drew@furrfu.invalid says...
>
> Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
> for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
> I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
> use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
> pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.
>
>

Some how it seems that tomatoes all want to start getting ripe about the
same time for me

I start some seeds for about 4 plants almost a month eairly than the
others. When I transplant them all abot the same time, it seems that
they all start putting out ripe tomatoes within a few days of each
other.

This year it was 2 early girls and 2 celeberties. They may have put out
some sooner, but a skunk got the ones on the bottom. I think it was a
skunk as that is what I caught in my trap I put out after the tomaotes
started getting gone and all the leaves were eaten off my couple of
cucumber plants. First one of those I have seen around here.

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 by: Drew Lawson - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:13 UTC

In article <MPG.3b62786f8bd13c4b9898d1@news.eternal-september.org>
Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:
>In article <sda6bg$cj$1@raid.furrfu.com>, drew@furrfu.invalid says...
>>
>> Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
>> for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
>> I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
>> use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
>> pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.
>
>Some how it seems that tomatoes all want to start getting ripe about the
>same time for me

Same for me, but the blame is likely my own. These (only 6 plants
for once) are all traditional sauce varieties. You want those to
gang up (usually). More for the large pot.

If only I could learn how to get the relish cucumbers to do the
same.

>This year it was 2 early girls and 2 celeberties.

Ahh, Celebrity was my gateway tomato. We spent about 15-20 happy
years together. I may plant again next year. Made good sandwiches.

Then I wanted big batches of slow-cooked pasta sauce. Because
cooking down the sauce for a single lasagne took way too long. So
may as well cook sauce for 20 lasagnes and pressure-can the lot.

This year, I have experimental "grape" tomatoes and "currant"
tomatoes planted in an attempt to be subversive. Outside my pasta
sauce, I am the only one in the family who will eat tomatoes.

I'm hoping that if I plant the nasty sweet kind, I can lure in the
grandkids. "You like grapes, why not try cherries . . . and then
plums."

Bwah-hah-hah-hah!

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 by: Ralph Mowery - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 03:43 UTC

In article <sdak7m$19qi$1@raid.furrfu.com>, drew@furrfu.invalid says...
>
> I'm hoping that if I plant the nasty sweet kind, I can lure in the
> grandkids. "You like grapes, why not try cherries . . . and then
> plums."
>
>

For a good number of years my grandson starting about age 4 loved the
small cherrie type tomatoes. He would eat them like candy maybe 6 to10
at a time. I planted the Reponsal ( misspelled it) type. Those things
produced like mad and the vines grew out the top of a 6 foot cage and to
the side about 3 or 4 feet.

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 by: songbird - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 11:20 UTC

Drew Lawson wrote:
> So I went out to the garden to check on just how much of a disaster
> it is (and it is), and discovered a double handful of ripe Black
> Plum tomatoes.
>
> I'd expected the tomatoes to be struggling, as I still haven't
> cleared the tall weeds that are near them. But they seem to be
> thriving on the neglect. Two of the cages appear to have leaf spot,
> but also have healthy new growth. So now that I've sprayed for the
> fungus they should recover nicely.

it's been such a strange year this season that i'm glad to see
anything on the tomato plants at all. it will be two weeks or
longer yet before we start seeing ripening. disease pressure
here also is starting off. i won't spray or pull leaves off or
mulch, i've tried all those approaches and it makes no sense for
me to bother. the plants all end up looking bad by the end of
the season but they've got fruits and we get results enough and
that is fine for me. i don't want to use fungicides in general
because all you are really doing is selecting for fungi that
can survive being poisoned and that's not a good thing. the
best soil community creatures for dealing with fungi are worms
as they are bacteria factories and the bacteria and fungi have
been in competition for millions of years. i vastly prefer to
let them keep sorting it out. :)

i hope for resistant plants enough instead and in past years
we've had some that have done better than other years. the
past two years the plants weren't as resistant as the plants
we previously (all are beefsteak varieties).

> Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
> for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
> I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
> use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
> pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.

we had flowers pretty quickly after the plants went in the
ground but i removed the first flowers as those tomatoes are
usually very hard to pick off the plants as they are so wedged
in the branches and the tomato cages. this is the first time
in many years i did that just to see if it makes that much of
a difference. the plants are putting on some fruits now so
the bees have been doing their thing. i see some of the native
bees working those flowers, but also some good rains will ding
the flowers enough to get them to set fruits. and in a pinch
if it is hot and dry i'll give the plants a good watering as
we have to keep some water on the clay soil here or it will
start cracking and it puts too much stress on the plants
(which leads to BER later).

it's raining now so it's all working out ok so far.

> I also want to experiment with some small batches of ketchup. I
> bought a bottle months ago and it is so sweet that I can't use it.
>
>
> Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
> vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
> And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
> didn't look long.)

cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

beans i need to pick and cook some up, but i'm not picking
in the rain. Monday it is.

the chipmunks got most of my pea seed harvest. they hadn't
bothered these peas at all when i planted them last year so i
wasn't thinking i had to keep that close an eye on them and i
had a nice crop of seeds drying down on the plants. had i
known i could have picked the pods a few weeks ago and dried
them inside where it is safer... :( ah, well, learned that
lesson...

i was really disappointed the other day when i went to
pick some fresh pods for eating and saw all the damage of the
little boogers eating all the seeds out of the pods and
leaving all those pods behind. i salvaged what i could and
got enough seeds to dry down all the way and so i can
replant for next year but i was really looking forwards to
having enough seeds to share with other people. i really
like these peas -- so do the critters. now that the pea
pods and seeds are gone to tempt them i hope they don't
switch over to the beans, but i'll have to keep an eye on
things and have the air rifle handy. i've kept the
population down to a reasonable size this year so this
caught me by surprise. always sumpthin'... :) we've had
moles running all over this year under the mulch and
gravel and it's hard to trap those when you don't really
have any open garden spaces nearby that they've gone into.

songbird

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 07:20:08 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
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> it's been such a strange year this season that i'm glad to see
>anything on the tomato plants at all. it will be two weeks or
>longer yet before we start seeing ripening. disease pressure
>here also is starting off. i won't spray or pull leaves off or
>mulch, i've tried all those approaches and it makes no sense for
>me to bother. the plants all end up looking bad by the end of
>the season but they've got fruits and we get results enough and
>that is fine for me. i don't want to use fungicides in general
>because all you are really doing is selecting for fungi that
>can survive being poisoned and that's not a good thing. the
>best soil community creatures for dealing with fungi are worms
>as they are bacteria factories and the bacteria and fungi have
>been in competition for millions of years. i vastly prefer to
>let them keep sorting it out. :)
>
> i hope for resistant plants enough instead and in past years
>we've had some that have done better than other years. the
>past two years the plants weren't as resistant as the plants
>we previously (all are beefsteak varieties).

Bad year for that cursed wilt. I have switched over a lot of my tomato
growing to various cherries to try to let the crop beat out the worst
of the wilt.

I know there is nothing I have tried over the past 35 years that will
eliminate it in any natural way. Been there. Done that. Lots of times.
The weather seems to have as much bearing on it as anything. And yes,
as does variety, but even that varies by the year.

I save seeds from those varieties that seem to do best and sometimes
Mother Nature cooperates the next year or two, and sometimes not.

The weather has been chaotic enough there that there is some BER on
one variety . Again, I find the cherries do not suffer from that in my
garden. Maybe just luck.

>
> cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
>more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
>any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

Weather had not been kind to the cukes this year, either, except one
odd variety of Italian cukes that are the size of a softball.

https://carosellopugliese.blogspot.com/2020/02/carosello-tondo-barese-coltivato-nel.html

Green beans are ok, both the bush and long reds. Nice, yellow
peppers, too.

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 by: Drew Lawson - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:09 UTC

In article <88lqsh-bj2.ln1@anthive.com>
songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
>Drew Lawson wrote:

>> Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
>> vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
>> And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
>> didn't look long.)
>
> cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
>more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
>any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

My trouble with cucumbers is that I don't get a lot at one time.
The primary goal is relish, so I need enough for a batch while they
are still young and firm. Since I haven't managed that, I get
watery relish.

I'm hoping I have enough planted this year.

> the chipmunks got most of my pea seed harvest. they hadn't

Ten years ago it was rare for me to see a chipmunk. Now there are
at least two burrows I know of in our yard, and I see them all over
the neigborhood. As yet they haven't caused me troubles, so I still
think they are cute.

And they give the cats something to watch through the windows.

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Subject: Re: Tomatoes, v2021
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 09:50:14 -0400
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 by: songbird - Sun, 25 Jul 2021 13:50 UTC

Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article <88lqsh-bj2.ln1@anthive.com>
> songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
>>Drew Lawson wrote:
>
>>> Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
>>> vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
>>> And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
>>> didn't look long.)
>>
>> cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
>>more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
>>any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.
>
> My trouble with cucumbers is that I don't get a lot at one time.
> The primary goal is relish, so I need enough for a batch while they
> are still young and firm. Since I haven't managed that, I get
> watery relish.
>
> I'm hoping I have enough planted this year.

two years ago we had 15 cucumber plants. i put up
about 100 quarts of dill pickles and gave away many
hundreds of pounds of cucumbers, i also did make some
sweet pickles because Mom uses those in a few recipes
of hers. last year we had 4 cucumber plants and that
was even too many so this year we just decided to give
them a pass and use the space for other things instead.

>> the chipmunks got most of my pea seed harvest. they hadn't
>
> Ten years ago it was rare for me to see a chipmunk. Now there are
> at least two burrows I know of in our yard, and I see them all over
> the neigborhood. As yet they haven't caused me troubles, so I still
> think they are cute.
>
> And they give the cats something to watch through the windows.

we have semi-feral or neighbor's cats that come through
for hunting. i rarely see them leaving without something
in their mouth.

some years ago it was way too busy around here with
chipmunks running all over the place so we set up traps
for them which really worked. within a few weeks i'd
trapped over 50 of them. they will always be around
but i don't want that many - i'd never get a strawberry
if i had that many raiding the patch.

songbird

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