On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:

> Critical
>
> Race, and
>
> Theory?

Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists loosely
known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American academics decided to
apply it to race, and sp produced Critical Race Theory.

The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new meanings for
old terms and then claim that they are the only ones qualified to teach
this new discipline because they are the only ones who understand it.

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 10:32:08 -0000 (UTC), Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:
>
>> Critical
>>
>> Race, and
>>
>> Theory?
>
>Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists loosely
>known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American academics decided to
>apply it to race, and sp produced Critical Race Theory.

More. This from Wiki:

The Frankfurt School (German: Frankfurter Schule) was a school of
social theory and critical philosophy associated with the Institute
for Social Research, at Goethe University Frankfurt. Founded in the
Weimar Republic (1918–33), during the European interwar period
(1918–39), the Frankfurt School comprised intellectuals, academics,
and political dissidents dissatisfied with the contemporary
socio-economic systems (capitalist, fascist, communist) of the 1930s.
The Frankfurt theorists proposed that social theory was inadequate for
explaining the turbulent political factionalism and reactionary
politics occurring in 20th century liberal capitalist societies.
Critical of capitalism and of Marxism–Leninism as philosophically
inflexible systems of social organization, the School's critical
theory research indicated alternative paths to realizing the social
development of a society and a nation.

Sounds suspiciously like political and social consciousness.

>The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
>opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new meanings for
>old terms and then claim that they are the only ones qualified to teach
>this new discipline because they are the only ones who understand it.

The were looking for better systems in turbulent times.

* Steve Hayes:

> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:
>
>> Critical
>>
>> Race, and
>>
>> Theory?
>
> Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists loosely
> known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American academics decided to
> apply it to race, and sp produced Critical Race Theory.
>
> The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
> opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new meanings for
> old terms and then claim that they are the only ones qualified to teach
> this new discipline because they are the only ones who understand it.

Which also tells us that the detractors of "Critical Race Theory" have
no idea what it really is. They're just worried that race could be
discussed in a way that's "critical" of US history or present.

I liked this comment from the Political Gabfest podcast: "If your child
learns Critical Race Theory, be happy, because they made it into law
school." Two of the participants had had a course on it 20, 25 years ago
in law school, at which point, they said, it was neither new nor the
only game in town nor particularly controversial.

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On 22:59 19 Jun 2021, Quinn C said:

> * Steve Hayes:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:
>>
>>> Critical
>>>
>>> Race, and
>>>
>>> Theory?
>>
>> Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists
>> loosely known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American
>> academics decided to apply it to race, and sp produced Critical
>> Race Theory.
>>
>> The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
>> opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new
>> meanings for old terms and then claim that they are the only ones
>> qualified to teach this new discipline because they are the only
>> ones who understand it.
>
> Which also tells us that the detractors of "Critical Race Theory"
> have no idea what it really is. They're just worried that race could
> be discussed in a way that's "critical" of US history or present.

Structural racism permits observations and complaints but, even within
its own constructs, it offers no solutions.

Critical race theory demands social policies are based on the fact
that all races have the same intelligence (whereas all the testing
says not really) and that any disappointments in life outcomes must be
due to racism.

> I liked this comment from the Political Gabfest podcast: "If your
> child learns Critical Race Theory, be happy, because they made it
> into law school." Two of the participants had had a course on it 20,
> 25 years ago in law school, at which point, they said, it was
> neither new nor the only game in town nor particularly
> controversial.

Made it into law school? More likely made it on to a sociology
degree.

On 20 Jun 2021, Pamela wrote

> On 22:59 19 Jun 2021, Quinn C said:
>
>> * Steve Hayes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Critical
>>>>
>>>> Race, and
>>>>
>>>> Theory?
>>>
>>> Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists
>>> loosely known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American
>>> academics decided to apply it to race, and sp produced Critical
>>> Race Theory.
>>>
>>> The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
>>> opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new
>>> meanings for old terms and then claim that they are the only
>>> ones qualified to teach this new discipline because they are the
>>> only ones who understand it.
>>
>> Which also tells us that the detractors of "Critical Race Theory"
>> have no idea what it really is. They're just worried that race
>> could be discussed in a way that's "critical" of US history or
>> present.
>
> Structural racism permits observations and complaints but, even
> within its own constructs, it offers no solutions.
>
> Critical race theory demands social policies are based on the fact
> that all races have the same intelligence (whereas all the testing
> says not really) and that any disappointments in life outcomes
> must be due to racism.
>
>> I liked this comment from the Political Gabfest podcast: "If your
>> child learns Critical Race Theory, be happy, because they made it
>> into law school." Two of the participants had had a course on it
>> 20, 25 years ago in law school, at which point, they said, it was
>> neither new nor the only game in town nor particularly
>> controversial.
>
> Made it into law school? More likely made it on to a sociology
> degree.

Hmmm... Two participants in a podcast are cited as saying that they
took a course on Critical Race Theory at law school 20 or 25 years ago
-- where it was neither new nor particularly controversial -- but
you've decided that they must be wrong, and more likely were on a
sociology course.

I think I'll believe the law-school people.

On 13:33 20 Jun 2021, HVS said:

> On 20 Jun 2021, Pamela wrote
>
>> On 22:59 19 Jun 2021, Quinn C said:
>>
>>> * Steve Hayes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Critical
>>>>>
>>>>> Race, and
>>>>>
>>>>> Theory?
>>>>
>>>> Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists
>>>> loosely known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American
>>>> academics decided to apply it to race, and sp produced Critical
>>>> Race Theory.
>>>>
>>>> The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
>>>> opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new
>>>> meanings for old terms and then claim that they are the only
>>>> ones qualified to teach this new discipline because they are the
>>>> only ones who understand it.
>>>
>>> Which also tells us that the detractors of "Critical Race Theory"
>>> have no idea what it really is. They're just worried that race
>>> could be discussed in a way that's "critical" of US history or
>>> present.
>>
>> Structural racism permits observations and complaints but, even
>> within its own constructs, it offers no solutions.
>>
>> Critical race theory demands social policies are based on the fact
>> that all races have the same intelligence (whereas all the testing
>> says not really) and that any disappointments in life outcomes must
>> be due to racism.
>>
>>> I liked this comment from the Political Gabfest podcast: "If your
>>> child learns Critical Race Theory, be happy, because they made it
>>> into law school." Two of the participants had had a course on it
>>> 20, 25 years ago in law school, at which point, they said, it was
>>> neither new nor the only game in town nor particularly
>>> controversial.
>>
>> Made it into law school? More likely made it on to a sociology
>> degree.
>
> Hmmm... Two participants in a podcast are cited as saying that they
> took a course on Critical Race Theory at law school 20 or 25 years
> ago -- where it was neither new nor particularly controversial --
> but you've decided that they must be wrong, and more likely were on
> a sociology course.
>
> I think I'll believe the law-school people.

Wikipedia explains that "critical legal studies", which may once (20
or 25 years ago perhaps) have been taught in law school and was more
recently adopted by neo-Marxist activists who reworked the original
ideas into today's anti-white rhetoric. At least according to the
refernce to "Marxism and Educational Theory: Origins and Issues" by
Cole.

I would surprised to see critical race theory taught in a respectable
law schools today other than as something to avoid as it is claimed to
rely on "social constructionism, elevates storytelling over evidence
and reason, [and] rejects the concepts of truth and merit".

Onthe other hand maybe critical legal studies is still promoted by the
die-hard old "network of leftist law professors in the United States
who developed the realist indeterminacy thesis in the service of
leftist ideals".

Quotations from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_legal_studies

Pamela:

> Critical race theory demands social policies are based on
> the fact that all races have the same intelligence (where-
> as all the testing says not really)

Does this testing separate race itself from the social con-
ditions of its people? Does is separate adaptation to solv-
ing specific pre-defined tasks from a more general concept
of intelligence, perhaps incuding the potency to acquire
those abilities?

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* Pamela:

> On 13:33 20 Jun 2021, HVS said:
>
>> On 20 Jun 2021, Pamela wrote
>>
>>> On 22:59 19 Jun 2021, Quinn C said:
>>>
>>>> * Steve Hayes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 09:57:20 -0700, bozo de niro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Critical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Race, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Theory?
>>>>>
>>>>> Critical Theory was developed by a group of German sociologists
>>>>> loosely known as "the Frankfurt School". A croup of American
>>>>> academics decided to apply it to race, and sp produced Critical
>>>>> Race Theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> The chief advantage of this is that provides a lot of employment
>>>>> opportunities for academics who can invent new terms and new
>>>>> meanings for old terms and then claim that they are the only
>>>>> ones qualified to teach this new discipline because they are the
>>>>> only ones who understand it.
>>>>
>>>> Which also tells us that the detractors of "Critical Race Theory"
>>>> have no idea what it really is. They're just worried that race
>>>> could be discussed in a way that's "critical" of US history or
>>>> present.
>>>
>>> Structural racism permits observations and complaints but, even
>>> within its own constructs, it offers no solutions.
>>>
>>> Critical race theory demands social policies are based on the fact
>>> that all races have the same intelligence (whereas all the testing
>>> says not really) and that any disappointments in life outcomes must
>>> be due to racism.
>>>
>>>> I liked this comment from the Political Gabfest podcast: "If your
>>>> child learns Critical Race Theory, be happy, because they made it
>>>> into law school." Two of the participants had had a course on it
>>>> 20, 25 years ago in law school, at which point, they said, it was
>>>> neither new nor the only game in town nor particularly
>>>> controversial.
>>>
>>> Made it into law school? More likely made it on to a sociology
>>> degree.
>>
>> Hmmm... Two participants in a podcast are cited as saying that they
>> took a course on Critical Race Theory at law school 20 or 25 years
>> ago -- where it was neither new nor particularly controversial --
>> but you've decided that they must be wrong, and more likely were on
>> a sociology course.
>>
>> I think I'll believe the law-school people.
>
> Wikipedia explains that "critical legal studies", which may once (20
> or 25 years ago perhaps) have been taught in law school and was more
> recently adopted by neo-Marxist activists who reworked the original
> ideas into today's anti-white rhetoric. At least according to the
> refernce to "Marxism and Educational Theory: Origins and Issues" by
> Cole.
>
> I would surprised to see critical race theory taught in a respectable
> law schools today

The law school in question was Yale. I hear that's somewhat respectable.
One of the participants was Emily Bazelon, who's teaching at Yale Law
School besides her main journalistic work, and used to be editor of Yale
Law Journal and Legal Affairs, among other things.

> other than as something to avoid as it is claimed to
> rely on "social constructionism, elevates storytelling over evidence
> and reason, [and] rejects the concepts of truth and merit".

Yale law school still offers a course on Critical Race Theory.

Universities don't drop a course because "some people" criticize the
subject, or there wouldn't be much left to teach.

--
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My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

On 11:53 21 Jun 2021, Anton Shepelev said:
> Pamela:
>>
>>
>> Critical race theory demands social policies are based on the fact
>> that all races have the same intelligence (whereas all the
>> testing says not really)
>
> Does this testing separate race itself from the social con- ditions
> of its people? Does is separate adaptation to solv- ing specific
> pre-defined tasks from a more general concept of intelligence,
> perhaps incuding the potency to acquire those abilities?

Some of the tests are described here:

"The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done"

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black--test-score-gap-why-it-per
sists-and-what-can-be-done/

* HVS:

> On 20 Jun 2021, Pamela wrote
>
>> On 22:59 19 Jun 2021, Quinn C said:
>>
>>> I liked this comment from the Political Gabfest podcast: "If your
>>> child learns Critical Race Theory, be happy, because they made it
>>> into law school." Two of the participants had had a course on it
>>> 20, 25 years ago in law school, at which point, they said, it was
>>> neither new nor the only game in town nor particularly
>>> controversial.
>>
>> Made it into law school? More likely made it on to a sociology
>> degree.
>
> Hmmm... Two participants in a podcast are cited as saying that they
> took a course on Critical Race Theory at law school 20 or 25 years ago
> -- where it was neither new nor particularly controversial -- but
> you've decided that they must be wrong, and more likely were on a
> sociology course.
>
> I think I'll believe the law-school people.

Differential equations in an engineering course?? Nah, it must be
mathematics.

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