|
| Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
| in school
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/>

--bks

In article <tv6ue3$8d9$1@panix3.panix.com>,
bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

> |
> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
> | in school
> | ...
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods
> -school-gop/>
>
> --bks

Fitting. Desantis is living a waking comma.

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bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote in
news:tv6ue3$8d9$1@panix3.panix.com:

> |
> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
> | in school
> | ...
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-
> periods-school-gop/>
>
> --bks

Don't all girls with problem periods
talk to the school nurse? And now doing
that is a crime?

On 19 Mar 2023 12:16:03 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:

> |
> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
> | in school
> | ...
><https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/>
>
> --bks

Paywalled of course. Here's a source that shows it is discussed at
the appropriate age, not when libs think it should be taught.

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Legislation moving in the Florida House would
ban discussion of menstrual cycles and other human sexuality topics in
elementary grades.

The bill sponsored by Republican Rep. Stan McClain would restrict
public school instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted
diseases and related topics to grades 6 through 12. McClain confirmed
at a recent committee meeting that discussions about menstrual cycles
would also be restricted to those grades."

https://abc7chicago.com/florida-period-bill-to-ban-talk-rep-stan-mcclain-law/12975303/

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 06:14:08 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <tv6ue3$8d9$1@panix3.panix.com>,
> bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
>> | in school
>> | ...
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods
>> -school-gop/>
>>
>> --bks
>
>Fitting. Desantis is living a waking comma.

Once again in English please <eyeroll>.

Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> |
>> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
>> | in school
>> | ...
>><https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/>
> ...
>Paywalled of course. ...

Don't be such a cheapskate, Kremlin Girl.

--bks

In article <bp7e1i1b7o5567n3j4h7vfsm97v3d3c2c4@4ax.com>,
NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 19 Mar 2023 12:16:03 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
> > |
> > | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
> > | in school
> > | ...
> ><https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-period
> >s-school-gop/>
> >
> > --bks
>
> Paywalled of course. Here's a source that shows it is discussed at
> the appropriate age, not when libs think it should be taught.

So the cons get to arbitrarily decide "the appropriate age."

And of course they've fixed it so 12 or 13-year-olds will have to carry
a pregnancy to full term.

> "TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Legislation moving in the Florida House would
> ban discussion of menstrual cycles and other human sexuality topics in
> elementary grades.
>
> The bill sponsored by Republican Rep. Stan McClain would restrict
> public school instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted
> diseases and related topics to grades 6 through 12. McClain confirmed
> at a recent committee meeting that discussions about menstrual cycles
> would also be restricted to those grades."
>
> https://abc7chicago.com/florida-period-bill-to-ban-talk-rep-stan-mcclain-law/1
> 2975303/

On 3/19/23 9:14 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <tv6ue3$8d9$1@panix3.panix.com>,
> bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
>> | in school
>> | ...
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods
>> -school-gop/>
>>
>> --bks
>
> Fitting. Desantis is living a waking comma.

The biggest problem with Republicans is their Puritan/theocratic
instinct. There are issues that, no matter how they feel about
them, they just ought to STAY OUT OF. The USA isn't about banning,
or legalizing, everything YOU, personally, like or don't like.
The idea is to put up with a lot of shit from others so they will
put up with YOUR shit. It's called "freedom".

The other day I saw a news story from the UK. Some guy loved
those little electric micro-scooters. Well, he CRASHED one and
kinda hurt himself. NOW he wants to BAN THEM ALL. He "doesn't
get it" ........

The Wokies are just as bad as Republicans, maybe - ok surely -
worse when it comes to the urge to legally bludgeon everything,
every idea, every philosophy, THEY personally dislike. They
don't "get it" either.

Countries where you can silence, or just put your foot on
the neck of, anybody who disagrees with your POV are SHIT
COUNTRIES - echoes of the BAD BAD BAD Old Days.

Now is the DeSantis/Florida POV *all* theocracy ? Of course
not. Those they are trying to knock back a notch are people
who are MUCH more keen on censorship/oppression/persecution
of 'free speech'. So, we're seeing kind of a small evil to
counter a bigger evil. A lot fewer would disagree about
limiting the scope of NAZI, KKK or jihadi propaganda in
public schools. THEY should not be free - indeed govt
subsidized - to brainwash the kiddies either because the
bad exceeds the good. You NEVER get a good country by
letting extremists dominate and brainwash the kiddies.

Maybe the 'grade schools' need to be whittled down to
just the "Three R's" and 'civics' - nothing else ?
No 'art' or 'literature' or 'history'- nothing
sociopolitical ? More STEM than anything else ? Seems
like anything else is just TOO easy to 'tilt', 'spin',
into a political crusade these days.

Now I went to the grades back in the Cold War days - and
YES they tilted anything outside of STEM to fit the
philosophy of the moment. 'Civics' (required) was at
least half one book - "Americanism -vs- Communism". Of
course everybody WAS expecting the bombs to fall at
any minute (and it almost came true, several times).
Of interest however was that "1984" was also required
reading. Is it still - or have the Wokies forbidden it
because it describes their campaigns and methods so
exactly ???

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:41:54 -0400, "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> wrote:

> Maybe the 'grade schools' need to be whittled down to
> just the "Three R's" and 'civics' - nothing else ?

The rest of your post is a bit of a mix but I won't argue with this. Civics was dropped
from schools decades ago and IMO that's one of the reasons America is in such a mess now.
Too many people don't give a shit about current events to understand what's going on in
the world and why.

There's an old saying, "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?"

The world was much larger then and less connected. In our modern times, what we do really
does affect the price of tea in China which, in turn, affects our daily lives.

But you can't get isolationists to believe it and today, sadly, conservatism is the home
of isolationists who think America is the do all and be all of everything.

Swill
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NoBody wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2023 12:16:03 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
>> | in school
>> | ...
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/>
>>
>> --bks
>
> Paywalled of course. Here's a source that shows it is discussed at

Uh, no, it isn't. Perhaps you aren't smart enough...

> the appropriate age, not when libs think it should be taught.
>
>
> "TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Legislation moving in the Florida House would
> ban discussion of menstrual cycles and other human sexuality topics in
> elementary grades.
>
> The bill sponsored by Republican Rep. Stan McClain would restrict
> public school instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted
> diseases and related topics to grades 6 through 12. McClain confirmed
> at a recent committee meeting that discussions about menstrual cycles
> would also be restricted to those grades."
>
> https://abc7chicago.com/florida-period-bill-to-ban-talk-rep-stan-mcclain-law/12975303/
>

In article <tvbbj8$3te6b$2@dont-email.me>,
Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Uh, no, it isn't. Perhaps you aren't smart enough...

Florida said DeSantis was their best. That explains Florida.

https://www.thebulwark.com/three-things-the-house-gop-should-look-
into/

Print

As Republicans start yanking the reins of power in the U.S. House
of Representatives, we have entered a new era of investigations.
No longer are resources being squandered on trivialities like the
January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol and the threat it posed to
American democracy. Now the focus is on things the GOP cares
about.

Many of their concerns may seem a bit ironic. Like labeling
Hunter Biden a grifter while pretending that Donald Trump Jr. is
not. Or claiming that Joe Biden but not Trump Sr. mismanaged the
COVID-19 pandemic. Or that Biden bears sole responsibility for
our military’s disastrous rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan, even
though Trump gave the order for it after negotiating with the
Taliban and tried to accelerate the timeline following his
election loss. And then there’s the committee looking into
whether Biden has weaponized the federal government against his
political rivals, which Trump did all the time.

No matter. But in the “anything goes” ethos of the current
political environment, we might as well cast a wide net. Here are
three other things that really ought to be looked into.
Podcast episode cover image
Podcast · March 20 2023
Susan Glasser: Trump 2024 Is Scarier than Trump 2020
Trump’s rhetoric is more apocalyptic and more confrontational,
and the party still can’t renounce its…
Why Isn’t This Woman a National Hero?

Emily Kohrs burst into the public eye like a firecracker. She’s
the foreperson of the Georgia special grand jury that spent
nearly eight months investigating whether Donald Trump and others
broke the law in their efforts to subvert that state’s 2020
election result. She gave a series of interviews last week in
which she revealed that the special grand jury recommended more
than a dozen indictments. Asked whether Trump was on the list,
she teased, “I don’t think you will be shocked.”

And, in one of the clips for which she’s been unfairly mocked,
Kohrs said “I’m not going to speak on exact indictments,” then
made this face:

Kohrs’s mugging for the camera and generally squirrelly demeanor
are distracting and have alarmed some commentators, and her
revelation that jurors attended an ice cream social put on by the
district attorney’s office raised concerns about chumminess. But
it’s worth noting that she actually has been careful to observe
her responsibilities as a member of the jury.

Here’s what we know about Emily Kohrs. She’s a 30-year-old
Atlanta-area resident. She didn’t vote in the 2020 election
that’s at the center of the special grand jury’s work, nor in the
2016 election before it. She was between jobs when she reported
for jury duty and ended up spending the better part of a year
seeing evidence and hearing the testimony of 75 witnesses. And
she is deeply grateful to have done so.

“I loved being a part of this process,” Kohrs told CNN, in an
interview everyone should watch: “I think it’s a privilege to be
able to actually be a part of the system for once and making it
work.” She said having “the curtain lifted just a little bit and
let us peek in as regular people has been amazing. And I’m so
glad that I did it.”

Indeed, Kohrs said the selection of “regular people” like herself
to serve on the grand jury demonstrates a commitment to fairness:

If they had wanted someone who was just going to support
their opinions, they could have gone and hired a bunch of legal
experts. There were all kinds of choices that could have been
made there. But they chose to get a random sampling of the
population of the area, and I think that speaks really strongly
to them trying to avoid bias in any way, in trying to avoid
politics.

Kohrs said the grand jury “heard a lot of very compelling things”
and admitted she would be “sad” and “frustrated” if nothing came
of its recommended indictments. “This was too much, too much
information, too much of my time, too much of everyone’s time,
too much of their time, too much argument in court about getting
people to appear before us. There was just too much for this to
just be, ‘Oh, okay, we’re good, bye.’ ”

Trump, in a typically blustery Truth Social post, blasted Kohrs
for “going around and doing a Media Tour revealing, incredibly,
the Grand Jury’s inner workings & thoughts,” which she did not
do. He called it “an illegal Kangaroo Court,” adding “All I did
is make TWO PERFECT PHONE CALLS!!!”—a reference to his attempts
to pressure Georgia state officials to “find 11,780 votes” that
didn’t, and still don’t, exist.

Some commentators have raised concerns that Kohrs may have
“complicated” the investigation by speaking out, as though Trump
might otherwise have conceded that it was a fair process.
“Several legal experts said they were surprised and concerned by
Kohrs’s unusually candid commentary,” reported the Washington
Post. And yet, as the paper went on to say, “Some scholars
familiar with Georgia criminal procedure said Kohrs did not
appear to violate any state laws by divulging details of the
case.”

Watch the interview and see that Kohrs is always measured and
reflective and careful not to cross the lines she’s been asked
not to cross. She is bright and articulate and, like the others
who served as grand jurors and alternates, she gave a
considerable chunk of her life to hear evidence in this
historically momentous case and do her duty as a citizen to
render a fair assessment.

“I think we were empaneled to find facts,” Kohrs said in response
to the sadly inevitable question as to whether she feared for her
safety. “And I think we did our best to find those facts and
share those facts with the district attorney and her office.”

Congress needs to hold immediate hearings in which we get to hear
more from Emily Kohrs.
Is Ron DeSantis a Sadistic Torturer?

The newly published March issue of Harper’s magazine contains an
explosive transcript of an interview of Mansoor Adayfi, a former
detainee at Guantánamo Bay, conducted by an Iraq War veteran
named Mike Prysner. It aired on the Eyes Left podcast last
November.

Adayfi, of Yemen, spent 14 years at the U.S. naval base in Cuba
without ever being charged with a crime; he was released to
Serbia in 2016. In the podcast interview, he describes in
sickening detail the response in 2006 to a prisoner hunger strike
by U.S. military personnel, including a Navy JAG lawyer in his
late twenties named Ron DeSantis.

DeSantis, now the Republican governor of Florida with his eye on
the White House, initially presented as being on the prisoners’
side, Adayfi says. He would ask the detainees if there were any
issues they wanted to report (“I’m here to ensure that you are
treated humanely”) only to later use the information he gathered
against them by supplying it to their interrogators.

That was by no means the worst of it. The response of the
administration to the hunger strike was to nasally force-feed the
prisoners with cans of Ensure, a nutritional shake. Detainees
were restrained in a feeding chair, tied at the head, shoulders,
wrists, thighs, and legs, and then had metal-tipped feeding tubes
painfully inserted into their noses, causing them to bleed. And
through it all, Adayfi relates:

Ron DeSantis was there watching us. We were crying,
screaming. We were tied to the feeding chair. And he was
watching. He was laughing. Our stomachs could not hold this
amount of Ensure. They poured one can after another. So when he
approached me, I said, “This is the way we are treated!” He said,
“You should eat.” I threw up in his face. Literally on his face.

This comeuppance, comments Prysner, “was well deserved. A JAG
lawyer at the time, [DeSantis] would have been well aware this
was a violation of international law. There is no question that
it was torture.”

Adayfi alleges that the Ensure was laced with “some kind of
laxative” so he and the other prisoners were “shitting ourselves
all the time.” After these sessions, “we were moved to solitary
confinement—really cold cells. It was like five times a day. It
wasn’t feeding. It was just torture. Five times a day.”

He says the guards also beat them, with DeSantis standing by. In
Adayfi’s words:

And if we screamed or were bleeding out of our nose and
mouth, they were like, “Eat.” The only word they told you was
“eat.” We were beaten all day long. Whatever you were doing—they
just beat you. Pepper spray, beating, sleep deprivation. That
continued for three months. And he was there. He was one of the
people that supervised the torture, the abuses, the beatings. All
the time at Guantánamo.

Prysner: “So Ron DeSantis was actually supervising torture,
beatings? He was supervising these force-feedings?”

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:42:53 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 19 Mar 2023 12:16:03 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
>> | in school
>> | ...
>><https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/>
>>
>> --bks
>
>Paywalled of course. Here's a source that shows it is discussed at
>the appropriate age, not when libs think it should be taught.

There's a Firefox extension that allows you to view paywalled sites. A version for Chrome
exists as well and since MS Edge is Chrome powered, it might work for it too. In any
case, here's the text you missed.

As Florida Republicans are introducing and advancing a wave of bills on gender and
diversity that are likely to be signed into law by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), one GOP lawmaker
acknowledged this week that his proposed sexual health bill would ban girls from talking
about their menstrual cycles in school.

During a Florida House Education Quality Subcommittee hearing Wednesday, state Rep. Ashley
Gantt (D) questioned her Republican colleague, state Rep. Stan McClain, on his proposed
legislation that would restrict certain educational materials used in state schools, which
Democrats and critics have likened to banning books. House Bill 1069 would also require
that instruction on sexual health, such as health education, sexually transmitted diseases
and human sexuality, “only occur in grades 6 through 12,” which prompted Gantt to ask
whether the proposed legislation would prohibit young girls from talking about their
periods in school when they first start having them.

“So if little girls experience their menstrual cycle in fifth grade or fourth grade, will
that prohibit conversations from them since they are in the grade lower than sixth grade?”
Gantt asked.

McClain responded, “It would.”

The GOP lawmaker representing Ocala, Fla., later clarified that it “would not be the
intent” of the bill to punish girls if they came to teachers with questions or concerns
about their menstrual cycle, adding that he’d be “amenable” to amendments if they were to
come up. The bill ended up passing, 13-5, on Wednesday in a party-line vote, as GOP
legislators make up a supermajority in the chamber.

McClain did not immediately respond to a request for comment early Friday. Gantt decried
the bill to The Washington Post as “egregious.”

“I thought it was pretty remarkable that the beginning of a little girl’s menstrual cycle
was not contemplated as they drafted this bill,” she said on Friday.

Gantt was echoed by advocates such as Annie Filkowski, the policy and political director
of the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, who told The Post that “young
Floridians will suffer if this legislation becomes law.”

“This bill shines a bright light on Florida’s political leaders’ perpetual thirst for
power and control,” Filkowski said in a statement, adding that it was “ridiculous” to
prohibit young girls from discussing menstruation with their teachers.

McClain’s proposed legislation is among a spate of new Republican-sponsored bills that
could reshape K-12 and higher education in Florida. Bills filed by GOP state
representatives and senators in recent weeks range from requiring teachers to use pronouns
matching children’s sex as assigned at birth to establishing a universal school-choice
voucher program. Other proposed legislation would eliminate college majors in gender
studies, cut diversity efforts at universities and job protections for tenured faculty,
strengthen parents’ ability to veto K-12 class materials and extend a ban on teaching
about gender and sexuality — from third grade up to eighth grade.

Democrats, free-speech advocates and LGBTQ groups say the Republican bills would restrict
educators’ ability to instruct children honestly.

Even with the blowback, Florida Republicans advanced two bills Monday that would ban
gender-affirming care for minors and eliminate diversity programs in colleges. Another
proposal was advanced Tuesday that would ban classroom lessons on gender identity and
sexual orientation through the eighth grade. The expansion of the controversial bill,
which critics have labeled “Don’t Say Gay,” has vocal support from DeSantis, a potential
Republican presidential candidate in 2024.

Menarche, when girls first start to menstruate, typically occurs between the ages of 10
and 16, according to medical literature. Doctors, parents and studies from around the
world have reported a surge in early puberty cases for girls during the pandemic, with
some girls getting their periods as young as 8.

Restricting girls from talking about their periods in school is not the only item in
McClain’s bill, which was introduced last month. The bill calls for schools to teach how
“sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth” and “these reproductive
roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.” Part of the proposed legislation would
require that the Florida Education Department approve all education materials used in
sexual health. It would also give parents the right to limit the kinds of library books
their children can check out.

On Wednesday, Gantt denounced McClain’s bill, and the limits around what educational
materials can be accessed by children, as a form of “book banning” that would weaken
students’ education, according to the News Service of Florida.

“I hope that we all understand that we are taking away the ability for our children to be
critical thinkers, by telling them we want to protect their innocence,” Gantt, who
represents Miami, said during the hearing. “They’re going to be adults one day, and they
need to be informed adults.”

McClain rebutted the claims against and criticism of the bill, arguing that “a lot of the
things that were brought forward were misinformation.”

“This idea that book banning is taking place, and all of that, is a myth and is not true,”
McClain said. “Members, what we’re trying to do is ensure that our parents continue to
have the opportunity to know what materials are being used to instruct [their children]
and to have the ability to challenge that.”

The bill next heads to the floor of the state House. If it passes the
Republican-controlled chamber, it still needs to pass through the state Senate before it
is likely signed into law by DeSantis.

Whether any amendments will be made to the bill to allow for young girls to talk about
their periods in school remains unclear, Gantt told The Post. She again criticized the
bill for not preparing children to eventually become informed adults.

“We don’t get do-overs with children, we don’t get that opportunity again,” she said. “So
why are we implementing or proposing policies from stopping little girls from
understanding their body?”

Hannah Natanson, Lori Rozsa and Susan Svrluga contributed to this report.
correction

A previous version of this article incorrectly attributed information about the typical
age of menarche to the National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health.
The article has been corrected.

>
>
>"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Legislation moving in the Florida House would
>ban discussion of menstrual cycles and other human sexuality topics in
>elementary grades.
>
>The bill sponsored by Republican Rep. Stan McClain would restrict
>public school instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted
>diseases and related topics to grades 6 through 12. McClain confirmed
>at a recent committee meeting that discussions about menstrual cycles
>would also be restricted to those grades."
>
>https://abc7chicago.com/florida-period-bill-to-ban-talk-rep-stan-mcclain-law/12975303/

Swill
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Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

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Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:42:53 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 19 Mar 2023 12:16:03 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> |
>>> | Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods
>>> | in school
>>> | ...
>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> Paywalled of course. Here's a source that shows it is discussed at
>> the appropriate age, not when libs think it should be taught.
>
> There's a Firefox extension that allows you to view paywalled sites. A version for Chrome
> exists as well and since MS Edge is Chrome powered, it might work for it too. In any
> case, here's the text you missed.

You're too kind to it. The site isn't paywalled, NoBrain is just
too stupid to work his browser.