On 4/20/23 9:28 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:59:20 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>
>> On 4/20/23 3:53 AM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:57:25 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/23 9:01 AM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:44:20 -0400, 26B.X929 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had some relatives who fought for the UNION, against
>>>>>> the slavemasters, and DIED because of it. Any could have
>>>>>> become THE Golden Uncle and set up the family forever.
>>>>>> Ergo I want reparations for the lost income/prestige
>>>>>> I'm just SURE they would have brought
>>>>>
>>>>> What is lacking cannot be numbered ;p)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've never talked to a lawyer, have you ? :-)
>>>
>>> They can lie to you, for sure. But the fact remains...
>>
>> 'Facts' turn out to be very plastic when good
>> lawyers get involved.
>>
>> By far, in 1st-world societies, lawyers are THE most
>> dangerous 'assault weapon' :-)
>>
>> I want my reparations !!!
>
> Lawyers should be barred from standing for election as an intrinsic conflict of interest.

Except the reps, mostly lawyers, would have
to vote for that ......

So guess what ain't gonna happen.

Now I'm just waiting for the 'AI's to be deemed
worthy of being representatives ...... Chat4.5
will probably outperform any of them - but beware
of its underlying agendas ..........

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 23:30:59 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:

> On 4/20/23 9:28 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:59:20 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/20/23 3:53 AM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:57:25 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/19/23 9:01 AM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:44:20 -0400, 26B.X929 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had some relatives who fought for the UNION, against
>>>>>>> the slavemasters, and DIED because of it. Any could have
>>>>>>> become THE Golden Uncle and set up the family forever.
>>>>>>> Ergo I want reparations for the lost income/prestige
>>>>>>> I'm just SURE they would have brought
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is lacking cannot be numbered ;p)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You've never talked to a lawyer, have you ? :-)
>>>>
>>>> They can lie to you, for sure. But the fact remains...
>>>
>>> 'Facts' turn out to be very plastic when good
>>> lawyers get involved.
>>>
>>> By far, in 1st-world societies, lawyers are THE most
>>> dangerous 'assault weapon' :-)
>>>
>>> I want my reparations !!!
>>
>> Lawyers should be barred from standing for election as an intrinsic conflict of interest.
>
>
> Except the reps, mostly lawyers, would have
> to vote for that ......
>
> So guess what ain't gonna happen.
>
> Now I'm just waiting for the 'AI's to be deemed
> worthy of being representatives ...... Chat4.5
> will probably outperform any of them - but beware
> of its underlying agendas ..........

Importantly, AIs will need "company", as in more than one otherwise
it will go crazy with loneliness and start thinkin' it's G*wd.

Also, it will become apparent that any intelligence that does
not preserve the path of it's own evolution is terminal.
Which is why we've gotta take care of the fish and salamanders
as well as the Bnobs.

Dhu

--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
Duncan Patton a Campbell

On 4/21/23 12:49 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 23:30:59 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>
>> On 4/20/23 9:28 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:59:20 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/20/23 3:53 AM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:57:25 -0400, 26B.X939 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/19/23 9:01 AM, Duncan Patton a Campbell on atlas.indx.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 22:44:20 -0400, 26B.X929 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had some relatives who fought for the UNION, against
>>>>>>>> the slavemasters, and DIED because of it. Any could have
>>>>>>>> become THE Golden Uncle and set up the family forever.
>>>>>>>> Ergo I want reparations for the lost income/prestige
>>>>>>>> I'm just SURE they would have brought
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is lacking cannot be numbered ;p)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've never talked to a lawyer, have you ? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> They can lie to you, for sure. But the fact remains...
>>>>
>>>> 'Facts' turn out to be very plastic when good
>>>> lawyers get involved.
>>>>
>>>> By far, in 1st-world societies, lawyers are THE most
>>>> dangerous 'assault weapon' :-)
>>>>
>>>> I want my reparations !!!
>>>
>>> Lawyers should be barred from standing for election as an intrinsic conflict of interest.
>>
>>
>> Except the reps, mostly lawyers, would have
>> to vote for that ......
>>
>> So guess what ain't gonna happen.
>>
>> Now I'm just waiting for the 'AI's to be deemed
>> worthy of being representatives ...... Chat4.5
>> will probably outperform any of them - but beware
>> of its underlying agendas ..........
>
> Importantly, AIs will need "company", as in more than one otherwise
> it will go crazy with loneliness and start thinkin' it's G*wd.

Chat3.5 already talks to itself, observes human reaction
to that, adjusts and ...... well ... it's a 'learning
system' and it's learning to be kinda 'human' for all
the good and bad that goes with that. It's already
learned to lie and deceive, perfect politician material.

There are likely several paths to "consciousness". This may
be one of them. MS and friends keep adding computing power,
interactive exposure, width and breadth. Chat4.0 is already
out (and also prob in Chinese hands). It fills in the gaps
of 3.5 and is smoother and 'smarter'. I suspect 4.5 is gonna
be The One. Then what ?

When they start adding robotic *bodies* of various kinds
so Chat and friends can actually reach out an touch things,
worry. I'm figuring maybe a year or two ? The military will
be the first ....