What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?

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On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:

> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?

Podium is easier to spell.

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Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article <pm3rjgtqs0acvo1f4gclojvi4ca0bh40pf@4ax.com>,
hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>
> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?

A podium is a raised platform to elevate only one person.

A dais is a raised platform that may accommodate any number of
elevated personages.

Janet

[This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]

In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
says...
>
> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> > What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>
> Podium is easier to spell.

Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
buggered.

Janet

Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
> the cited author.]
>
> In article <pm3rjgtqs0acvo1f4gclojvi4ca0bh40pf@4ax.com>,
> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
> >
> > What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>
> A podium is a raised platform to elevate only one person.

That makes it yet another false friend between English and Dutch.

Jan

> A dais is a raised platform that may accommodate any number of
> elevated personages.
>
> Janet

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 07:24:54 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?

They are similar, but a dais is larger.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 18:43:25 +1100
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> > What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>
> Podium is easier to spell.
>
said you!

> --
> Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:13:40 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>[This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>the cited author.]
>
>In article <pm3rjgtqs0acvo1f4gclojvi4ca0bh40pf@4ax.com>,
>hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>>
>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>
> A podium is a raised platform to elevate only one person.
>
> A dais is a raised platform that may accommodate any number of
>elevated personages.

Thanks. That seems an interesting and useful distinction.

When a F1 driver achieves "a podium" as they say, there are actually
three podiums (podia?), but at different heights, each holding one
person.

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>[This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>the cited author.]
>
>In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
>says...
>>
>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>> > What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>
>> Podium is easier to spell.
>
>
> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
>buggered.

What IS the plural of "dais"?

And "podium", for that matter?

--
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Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
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On 13/09/2021 10:52, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>> the cited author.]
>>
>> In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>>
>>> Podium is easier to spell.
>>
>>
>> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
>> buggered.
>
> What IS the plural of "dais"?

"Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
you.

> And "podium", for that matter?

Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.

See also "predella" (plural "predelle").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predella

--
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On 13/09/21 20:52, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>> the cited author.]
>>
>> In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>>
>>> Podium is easier to spell.
>>
>>
>> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
>> buggered.
>
> What IS the plural of "dais"?

Daisies.

> And "podium", for that matter?

Either podios or podiatry. I'm not sure which.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

* J. J. Lodder:

> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>> the cited author.]
>>
>> In article <pm3rjgtqs0acvo1f4gclojvi4ca0bh40pf@4ax.com>,
>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>>>
>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>
>> A podium is a raised platform to elevate only one person.
>
> That makes it yet another false friend between English and Dutch.

And German.

Looking for "podium discussion" online, it's pretty clear that most of
these English texts were written by German speakers. It should be "panel
discussion" in most cases. The "Podium" in this context is the whole
stage. In other cases it could be a raised part of any size.

--
Was den Juengeren fehlt, sind keine Botschaften, es ist der Sinn
fuer Zusammenhaenge. [Young people aren't short of messages, but
of a sense for interconnections.]
-- Helen Feng im Zeit-Int erview

On 9/13/2021 2:16 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 13/09/21 20:52, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>>> the cited author.]
>>>
>>> In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>>>
>>>> Podium is easier to spell.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
>>> buggered.
>>
>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>
> Daisies.

.....give me your answers true.

--
Ken

On 9/13/2021 3:11 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 13/09/2021 10:52, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>>> the cited author.]
>>>
>>> In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>>>
>>>> Podium is easier to spell.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
>>> buggered.
>>
>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>
> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
> you.
>
>> And "podium", for that matter?
>
> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.

Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.

I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
that they will not be understood.

--
Ken

In article <iq9afdFmbjdU1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 9/13/2021 3:11 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > On 13/09/2021 10:52, Steve Hayes wrote:
> >> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
> >>> the cited author.]
> >>>
> >>> In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
> >>>>
> >>>> Podium is easier to spell.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're
> >>> properly buggered.
> >>
> >> What IS the plural of "dais"?
> >
> > "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai",
> > look you.
> >
> >> And "podium", for that matter?
> >
> > Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.

> Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
> correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
> dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.

> I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
> that they will not be understood.

Certainly in the theatre, 'rostra' is the plural of 'rostrum'.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

* Peter Moylan:

> On 13/09/21 20:52, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:15:50 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [This followup was posted to alt.usage.english and a copy was sent to
>>> the cited author.]
>>>
>>> In article <shkeje$pg3$2@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/09/21 16:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What, if anything, is the difference between "dais" and "podium"?
>>>>
>>>> Podium is easier to spell.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless talking about plurals of dais and podium, then you're properly
>>> buggered.
>>
>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>
> Daisies.

That's pushing it.

>> And "podium", for that matter?
>
> Either podios or podiatry. I'm not sure which.

Isn't podiatry when you molest children?

Nah, I was probably thinking of "pedagogy".

--
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Be afraid of the old - They'll inherit your souls
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:53:17 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>>
>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
>> you.
>>
>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>>
>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>
>
>Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
>correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>
>I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
>that they will not be understood.

Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
latter is from Greek.

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 9/14/2021 4:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?

>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is
>>> "dai", look you.

>>>> And "podium", for that matter?

>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.

>> Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like
>> the correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>> dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.

>> I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent
>> chance that they will not be understood.

> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
> latter is from Greek.

So is "podium", ultimately (the "o" gives it away). But the um/a
pattern in Latin is matched by the on/a pattern in Greek.

On 9/14/2021 1:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:53:17 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>>>
>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
>>> you.
>>>
>>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>>>
>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>>
>>
>>Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
>>correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>>dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>>
>>I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
>>that they will not be understood.
>
> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
> latter is from Greek.

"Media" and "criteria," along with "data" and "news" are English words
that are almost always used only in their plural.

--
Ken

On 9/14/2021 6:04 AM, CDB wrote:
> On 9/14/2021 4:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>
>>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is
>>>> "dai", look you.
>
>>>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>
>>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>
>>> Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like
>>> the correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>>> dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>
>>> I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent
>>> chance that they will not be understood.
>
>> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
>> latter is from Greek.
>
> So is "podium", ultimately

Ultimately, yes. But as I understand it, the word comes into English
from the Latin, which got it from Greek.

> (the "o" gives it away). But the um/a
> pattern in Latin is matched by the on/a pattern in Greek.
>

--
Ken

* Ken Blake:

> On 9/14/2021 1:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:53:17 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>>>>
>>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>>>
>>>
>>>Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
>>>correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>>>dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>>>
>>>I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
>>>that they will not be understood.
>>
>> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
>> latter is from Greek.
>
> "Media" and "criteria," along with "data" and "news" are English words
> that are almost always used only in their plural.

"Media" only in one of it's various meanings.

--
Americans are not that comfortable with being uncomfortable.
-- Veronica Osorio

On 9/14/2021 10:56 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 9/14/2021 1:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:53:17 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>>>>
>>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
>>> correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>>> dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>>>
>>> I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
>>> that they will not be understood.
>>
>> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
>> latter is from Greek.
>
> "Media" and "criteria," along with "data" and "news" are English words
> that are almost always used only in their plural.

I come across (and use) "[a/the] criterion" often enough.

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On 9/14/2021 12:13 PM, Tak To wrote:
> On 9/14/2021 10:56 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 9/14/2021 1:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:53:17 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
>>>> correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>>>> dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>>>>
>>>> I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
>>>> that they will not be understood.
>>>
>>> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
>>> latter is from Greek.
>>
>> "Media" and "criteria," along with "data" and "news" are English words
>> that are almost always used only in their plural.
>
> I come across (and use) "[a/the] criterion" often enough.

So do I. But my point is that most AmE speakers don't even realize that
"criteria" is the plural of "criterion."

--
Ken

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:56:32 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/14/2021 1:27 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 08:53:17 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> What IS the plural of "dais"?
>>>>
>>>> "Daises" or perhaps it is already plural and the singular is "dai", look
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>> And "podium", for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> Choose from "podiums" and "podia", both of which are used.
>>>
>>>
>>>Since "podium" apparently comes from the Latin, "podia" looks like the
>>>correct Latin plural. But although it's a choice in English
>>>dictionaries, I've never seen or heard it used in English.
>>>
>>>I always dislike plurals like that, since there's a excellent chance
>>>that they will not be understood.
>>
>> Like "this media" and "this criteria", though I'm pretty sure the
>> latter is from Greek.
>
>
>"Media" and "criteria," along with "data" and "news" are English words
>that are almost always used only in their plural.

The media are the massage.

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 12:46:31 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/14/2021 12:13 PM, Tak To wrote:
>> I come across (and use) "[a/the] criterion" often enough.
>
>
>So do I. But my point is that most AmE speakers don't even realize that
>"criteria" is the plural of "criterion."

Some people seem to think that "criterium" is the singular of
"criteria".

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk