### - There's lots of ancient (mostly religious) practices such as this:
Shamans & holy men alike all accessing waking lucid dreaming states that
were most probably WILDS, especially when accessed immediately upon laying
down (as described below) instead of via deep sleep as dilds are.

The more 'volitional' aspects of WILD presumably more readily lending
itself to such practices, which necessarily became clothed with the
religious practices and descriptive language(s) of the times and cultures
concerned...

Enter lucid dreaming like a sleeping tiger

Chen Tuan (871-989) was a celebrated Taoist sage who lived a secluded life
in mountain caves in China, where he created kung fu and a method of
conscious dreaming. He was an ardent student of I Ching. He reputedly
wandered the country in disguise, and sometimes provided warnings of
impending events such as the flooding of the Yellow River.

Legend has it that Chen Tuan, won Mount Hua – sacred to the goddess, and
a center of Taoist practice up to the present day – at a chess game. Chen
Tuan, beat Zhao Kuangyin, who later made good on his promise to deliver
the mountain if he became emperor of the Tang dynasty Emperor, which he
did in 960-976. Chen Tuan presided over a revival of Taoist practices, and
is especially famous for his dream practice. There is a cave at the Jade
Clear Spring Monastery where he lived his later years, and today it is a
shrine with a statue of him in the classical dream practice pose (lying on
right side, right hand supporting the head, like a sleeping tiger). His
followers claimed he would lie in this position for days or even months
while he flew about in his dream body.

https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/dreamgates/2014/08/ennter-lucid-dreaming-like-a-sleeping-tiger.html

He taught that to dream well, we want to develop the practice of shifting
attention from the physical to the subtle. For neophytes, this is best
attempted when you are not so tired you’ll just crash. Preparation
includes releasing negative thoughts and emotions and bodily complaints..
There is a Taoist technique for that which centers on directing an “inner
smile” to complaining parts of the body.

When we dream, the Taoist master taught, we enter realities beyond the
physical. The core practice is to remain conscious as you relax your body
in sleep position. You issue yourself a “sleep command” directing where
you intend to go and what you intend to do. And you arrange your body in
bed in the posture of a sleeping tiger.

The instructions for that can be given as follows:

Lie on your right side. Extend your left arm along your left leg. Your
right hand may be cupped over your right ear, or tucked under the pillow..
Bend your right knee. Leave your left leg loosely extended. This posture
shifts breathing to the left nostril and this is believed to activate
right brain activity, facilitating strong visual and intuitive experiences
and smoothing the way to states of brainwave activity associated with
dreaming or meditation.

This posture is not unique to Taoists; it has been widely adopted and
recommended in many dreaming traditions, sometimes as an ideal posture for
entering death. The Buddha, at the moment of death, is depicted in Asian
art as lying in the posture of the sleeping tiger.

Like tigers, a dream master may take plenty of “power naps” in the course
of an day. This was a preferred technique of Chen Tuan. He would keep
visitors waiting while he grabbed fifteen minutes in the sleeping tiger
mode. Chen Tuan is revered in Taoist tradition as “Ancestral Teacher”. He
liked to call himself Fuyao Zi, which means “one who soars high through
the sky”, like a dragon or flying tiger.

***

### - note: have always personally found that laying on one's left side to
be more useful, even though many such ancient practices (such as as the
above one) typically recommend the opposite...

buddha himself apparently preferring the right side over the left so who
the hell am i to argue huh, excepting that personal experience still
suggests the WILDs produced on the left side are overall far more of a
volitional nature than when laying on the right, not to mention other
pretty amazing things too such as there being a midway point and all that
goes with it, something have never experienced 'except' while laying on
the left side, and have done plenty of both...

so who knows ;)

The fact you find the time to come on this dead NG and tout your
ridiculous opinions is indicative of the time you need to care for
your book sales.

Making lots of $$$ on that topic mate? I mean, in these times of war
and rumours of war, people really want to sleep and engage in self
controlled dreams.

People are more likely to be storing edibles and weapons and bottled
water and worrying about other things, like tactical nuclear war a
thousand KM away or right on your doorstep.

On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:16:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>### - There's lots of ancient (mostly religious) practices such as this:
>Shamans & holy men alike all accessing waking lucid dreaming states that
>were most probably WILDS, especially when accessed immediately upon laying
>down (as described below) instead of via deep sleep as dilds are.
>
>The more 'volitional' aspects of WILD presumably more readily lending
>itself to such practices, which necessarily became clothed with the
>religious practices and descriptive language(s) of the times and cultures
>concerned...
>
>
>Enter lucid dreaming like a sleeping tiger
>
>Chen Tuan (871-989) was a celebrated Taoist sage who lived a secluded life
>in mountain caves in China, where he created kung fu and a method of
>conscious dreaming. He was an ardent student of I Ching. He reputedly
>wandered the country in disguise, and sometimes provided warnings of
>impending events such as the flooding of the Yellow River.
>
>Legend has it that Chen Tuan, won Mount Hua – sacred to the goddess, and
>a center of Taoist practice up to the present day – at a chess game. Chen
>Tuan, beat Zhao Kuangyin, who later made good on his promise to deliver
>the mountain if he became emperor of the Tang dynasty Emperor, which he
>did in 960-976. Chen Tuan presided over a revival of Taoist practices, and
>is especially famous for his dream practice. There is a cave at the Jade
>Clear Spring Monastery where he lived his later years, and today it is a
>shrine with a statue of him in the classical dream practice pose (lying on
>right side, right hand supporting the head, like a sleeping tiger). His
>followers claimed he would lie in this position for days or even months
>while he flew about in his dream body.
>
>https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/dreamgates/2014/08/ennter-lucid-dreaming-like-a-sleeping-tiger.html
>
>He taught that to dream well, we want to develop the practice of shifting
>attention from the physical to the subtle. For neophytes, this is best
>attempted when you are not so tired you’ll just crash. Preparation
>includes releasing negative thoughts and emotions and bodily complaints.
>There is a Taoist technique for that which centers on directing an “inner
>smile” to complaining parts of the body.
>
>When we dream, the Taoist master taught, we enter realities beyond the
>physical. The core practice is to remain conscious as you relax your body
>in sleep position. You issue yourself a “sleep command” directing where
>you intend to go and what you intend to do. And you arrange your body in
>bed in the posture of a sleeping tiger.
>
>The instructions for that can be given as follows:
>
>Lie on your right side. Extend your left arm along your left leg. Your
>right hand may be cupped over your right ear, or tucked under the pillow.
>Bend your right knee. Leave your left leg loosely extended. This posture
>shifts breathing to the left nostril and this is believed to activate
>right brain activity, facilitating strong visual and intuitive experiences
>and smoothing the way to states of brainwave activity associated with
>dreaming or meditation.
>
>This posture is not unique to Taoists; it has been widely adopted and
>recommended in many dreaming traditions, sometimes as an ideal posture for
>entering death. The Buddha, at the moment of death, is depicted in Asian
>art as lying in the posture of the sleeping tiger.
>
>Like tigers, a dream master may take plenty of “power naps” in the course
>of an day. This was a preferred technique of Chen Tuan. He would keep
>visitors waiting while he grabbed fifteen minutes in the sleeping tiger
>mode. Chen Tuan is revered in Taoist tradition as “Ancestral Teacher”. He
>liked to call himself Fuyao Zi, which means “one who soars high through
>the sky”, like a dragon or flying tiger.
>
>***
>
>### - note: have always personally found that laying on one's left side to
>be more useful, even though many such ancient practices (such as as the
>above one) typically recommend the opposite...
>
>buddha himself apparently preferring the right side over the left so who
>the hell am i to argue huh, excepting that personal experience still
>suggests the WILDs produced on the left side are overall far more of a
>volitional nature than when laying on the right, not to mention other
>pretty amazing things too such as there being a midway point and all that
>goes with it, something have never experienced 'except' while laying on
>the left side, and have done plenty of both...
>
>so who knows ;)

### - smile, it's just a cc-copy of a facebook post to nearly 1,800
members in the WILDS & WILDing group, and to the 50,000+ members of the
Lucid Dreaming group who're all VERY interested indeed in such matters :)

fyi: books sales worldwide + that of reading in general rose markedly
during the pandemic and is still rising, you're purely hateful/negative
thinking (the opposite of rose-coloured glasses?) obviously blinding you
to the 'reality' of what's actually occurring in the world around you, or
you'd already know about that...

On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:35:57 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> The fact you find the time to come on this dead NG and tout your
> ridiculous opinions is indicative of the time you need to care for
> your book sales.
>
> Making lots of $$$ on that topic mate? I mean, in these times of war
> and rumours of war, people really want to sleep and engage in self
> controlled dreams.
>
> People are more likely to be storing edibles and weapons and bottled
> water and worrying about other things, like tactical nuclear war a
> thousand KM away or right on your doorstep.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:16:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ### - There's lots of ancient (mostly religious) practices such as this:
>> Shamans & holy men alike all accessing waking lucid dreaming states that
>> were most probably WILDS, especially when accessed immediately upon
>> laying
>> down (as described below) instead of via deep sleep as dilds are.
>>
>> The more 'volitional' aspects of WILD presumably more readily lending
>> itself to such practices, which necessarily became clothed with the
>> religious practices and descriptive language(s) of the times and
>> cultures
>> concerned...
>>
>>
>> Enter lucid dreaming like a sleeping tiger
>>
>> Chen Tuan (871-989) was a celebrated Taoist sage who lived a secluded
>> life
>> in mountain caves in China, where he created kung fu and a method of
>> conscious dreaming. He was an ardent student of I Ching. He reputedly
>> wandered the country in disguise, and sometimes provided warnings of
>> impending events such as the flooding of the Yellow River.
>>
>> Legend has it that Chen Tuan, won Mount Hua – sacred to the goddess,
>> and
>> a center of Taoist practice up to the present day – at a chess game.
>> Chen
>> Tuan, beat Zhao Kuangyin, who later made good on his promise to deliver
>> the mountain if he became emperor of the Tang dynasty Emperor, which he
>> did in 960-976. Chen Tuan presided over a revival of Taoist practices,
>> and
>> is especially famous for his dream practice. There is a cave at the Jade
>> Clear Spring Monastery where he lived his later years, and today it is a
>> shrine with a statue of him in the classical dream practice pose (lying
>> on
>> right side, right hand supporting the head, like a sleeping tiger). His
>> followers claimed he would lie in this position for days or even months
>> while he flew about in his dream body.
>>
>> https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/dreamgates/2014/08/ennter-lucid-dreaming-like-a-sleeping-tiger.html
>>
>> He taught that to dream well, we want to develop the practice of
>> shifting
>> attention from the physical to the subtle. For neophytes, this is best
>> attempted when you are not so tired you’ll just crash. Preparation
>> includes releasing negative thoughts and emotions and bodily
>> complaints.
>> There is a Taoist technique for that which centers on directing an
>> “inner
>> smile” to complaining parts of the body.
>>
>> When we dream, the Taoist master taught, we enter realities beyond the
>> physical. The core practice is to remain conscious as you relax your
>> body
>> in sleep position. You issue yourself a “sleep command” directing where
>> you intend to go and what you intend to do. And you arrange your body in
>> bed in the posture of a sleeping tiger.
>>
>> The instructions for that can be given as follows:
>>
>> Lie on your right side. Extend your left arm along your left leg. Your
>> right hand may be cupped over your right ear, or tucked under the
>> pillow.
>> Bend your right knee. Leave your left leg loosely extended. This
>> posture
>> shifts breathing to the left nostril and this is believed to activate
>> right brain activity, facilitating strong visual and intuitive
>> experiences
>> and smoothing the way to states of brainwave activity associated with
>> dreaming or meditation.
>>
>> This posture is not unique to Taoists; it has been widely adopted and
>> recommended in many dreaming traditions, sometimes as an ideal posture
>> for
>> entering death. The Buddha, at the moment of death, is depicted in Asian
>> art as lying in the posture of the sleeping tiger.
>>
>> Like tigers, a dream master may take plenty of “power naps” in the
>> course
>> of an day. This was a preferred technique of Chen Tuan. He would keep
>> visitors waiting while he grabbed fifteen minutes in the sleeping tiger
>> mode. Chen Tuan is revered in Taoist tradition as “Ancestral Teacher”.
>> He
>> liked to call himself Fuyao Zi, which means “one who soars high through
>> the sky”, like a dragon or flying tiger.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> ### - note: have always personally found that laying on one's left side
>> to
>> be more useful, even though many such ancient practices (such as as the
>> above one) typically recommend the opposite...
>>
>> buddha himself apparently preferring the right side over the left so who
>> the hell am i to argue huh, excepting that personal experience still
>> suggests the WILDs produced on the left side are overall far more of a
>> volitional nature than when laying on the right, not to mention other
>> pretty amazing things too such as there being a midway point and all
>> that
>> goes with it, something have never experienced 'except' while laying on
>> the left side, and have done plenty of both...
>>
>> so who knows ;)

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 11:13:23 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>### - smile, it's just a cc-copy of a facebook post to nearly 1,800
>members in the WILDS & WILDing group, and to the 50,000+ members of the
>Lucid Dreaming group who're all VERY interested indeed in such matters :)
>
>fyi: books sales worldwide + that of reading in general rose markedly
>during the pandemic and is still rising, you're purely hateful/negative
>thinking (the opposite of rose-coloured glasses?) obviously blinding you
>to the 'reality' of what's actually occurring in the world around you, or
>you'd already know about that...
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:35:57 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> The fact you find the time to come on this dead NG and tout your
>> ridiculous opinions is indicative of the time you need to care for
>> your book sales.
>>
>> Making lots of $$$ on that topic mate? I mean, in these times of war
>> and rumours of war, people really want to sleep and engage in self
>> controlled dreams.
>>
>> People are more likely to be storing edibles and weapons and bottled
>> water and worrying about other things, like tactical nuclear war a
>> thousand KM away or right on your doorstep.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:16:57 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ### - There's lots of ancient (mostly religious) practices such as this:
>>> Shamans & holy men alike all accessing waking lucid dreaming states that
>>> were most probably WILDS, especially when accessed immediately upon
>>> laying
>>> down (as described below) instead of via deep sleep as dilds are.
>>>
>>> The more 'volitional' aspects of WILD presumably more readily lending
>>> itself to such practices, which necessarily became clothed with the
>>> religious practices and descriptive language(s) of the times and
>>> cultures
>>> concerned...
>>>
>>>
>>> Enter lucid dreaming like a sleeping tiger
>>>
>>> Chen Tuan (871-989) was a celebrated Taoist sage who lived a secluded
>>> life
>>> in mountain caves in China, where he created kung fu and a method of
>>> conscious dreaming. He was an ardent student of I Ching. He reputedly
>>> wandered the country in disguise, and sometimes provided warnings of
>>> impending events such as the flooding of the Yellow River.
>>>
>>> Legend has it that Chen Tuan, won Mount Hua – sacred to the goddess,
>>> and
>>> a center of Taoist practice up to the present day – at a chess game.
>>> Chen
>>> Tuan, beat Zhao Kuangyin, who later made good on his promise to deliver
>>> the mountain if he became emperor of the Tang dynasty Emperor, which he
>>> did in 960-976. Chen Tuan presided over a revival of Taoist practices,
>>> and
>>> is especially famous for his dream practice. There is a cave at the Jade
>>> Clear Spring Monastery where he lived his later years, and today it is a
>>> shrine with a statue of him in the classical dream practice pose (lying
>>> on
>>> right side, right hand supporting the head, like a sleeping tiger). His
>>> followers claimed he would lie in this position for days or even months
>>> while he flew about in his dream body.
>>>
>>> https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/dreamgates/2014/08/ennter-lucid-dreaming-like-a-sleeping-tiger.html
>>>
>>> He taught that to dream well, we want to develop the practice of
>>> shifting
>>> attention from the physical to the subtle. For neophytes, this is best
>>> attempted when you are not so tired you’ll just crash. Preparation
>>> includes releasing negative thoughts and emotions and bodily
>>> complaints.
>>> There is a Taoist technique for that which centers on directing an
>>> “inner
>>> smile” to complaining parts of the body.
>>>
>>> When we dream, the Taoist master taught, we enter realities beyond the
>>> physical. The core practice is to remain conscious as you relax your
>>> body
>>> in sleep position. You issue yourself a “sleep command” directing where
>>> you intend to go and what you intend to do. And you arrange your body in
>>> bed in the posture of a sleeping tiger.
>>>
>>> The instructions for that can be given as follows:
>>>
>>> Lie on your right side. Extend your left arm along your left leg. Your
>>> right hand may be cupped over your right ear, or tucked under the
>>> pillow.
>>> Bend your right knee. Leave your left leg loosely extended. This
>>> posture
>>> shifts breathing to the left nostril and this is believed to activate
>>> right brain activity, facilitating strong visual and intuitive
>>> experiences
>>> and smoothing the way to states of brainwave activity associated with
>>> dreaming or meditation.
>>>
>>> This posture is not unique to Taoists; it has been widely adopted and
>>> recommended in many dreaming traditions, sometimes as an ideal posture
>>> for
>>> entering death. The Buddha, at the moment of death, is depicted in Asian
>>> art as lying in the posture of the sleeping tiger.
>>>
>>> Like tigers, a dream master may take plenty of “power naps” in the
>>> course
>>> of an day. This was a preferred technique of Chen Tuan. He would keep
>>> visitors waiting while he grabbed fifteen minutes in the sleeping tiger
>>> mode. Chen Tuan is revered in Taoist tradition as “Ancestral Teacher”.
>>> He
>>> liked to call himself Fuyao Zi, which means “one who soars high through
>>> the sky”, like a dragon or flying tiger.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ### - note: have always personally found that laying on one's left side
>>> to
>>> be more useful, even though many such ancient practices (such as as the
>>> above one) typically recommend the opposite...
>>>
>>> buddha himself apparently preferring the right side over the left so who
>>> the hell am i to argue huh, excepting that personal experience still
>>> suggests the WILDs produced on the left side are overall far more of a
>>> volitional nature than when laying on the right, not to mention other
>>> pretty amazing things too such as there being a midway point and all
>>> that
>>> goes with it, something have never experienced 'except' while laying on
>>> the left side, and have done plenty of both...
>>>
>>> so who knows ;)