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* Trump Crime Family Sold PardonsBradley K. Sherman
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|+* Re: Trump Crime Family Sold PardonsBradley K. Sherman
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|`- Re: Trump Crime Family Sold PardonsSiri Cruise
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 by: Bradley K. Sherman - Tue, 16 May 2023 00:59 UTC

People under oath say the strangest things:
|
| A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
| says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
| then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
| presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
| court documents.
| ...
<https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>

--bks

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 by: John Doe - Tue, 16 May 2023 03:04 UTC

In reply to "bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)" who wrote the following:

> People under oath say the strangest things:
> |
> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
> | court documents.
> | ...
> <https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>
>
> --bks

Yup. Even one of Trump's own former staffers claims Trump is the "most evil person I've ever met."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-most-evil-person-i-ve-ever-met-trump-s-former-staffer-shares-disturbing-observation/ss-AA1belLo

The better one knows Trump, generally, the more one despises him.

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 by: Gerald - Tue, 16 May 2023 03:07 UTC

>
>People under oath say the strangest things:
> |
> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
> | court documents.
> | ...
><https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>
>
> --bks
>
>

"And of Course . NONE of the Jan 6th Insurrectionists could afford it ,
so trump Pardoned ZERO of them"

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 by: NoBody - Sat, 20 May 2023 13:44 UTC

On 16 May 2023 00:59:09 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:

>People under oath say the strangest things:
> |
> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
> | court documents.
> | ...
><https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>
>
> --bks

How many levels of hearsay is this?

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 by: Bradley K. Sherman - Sat, 20 May 2023 13:56 UTC

Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> |
>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>> | court documents.
>> | ...
> ....
>How many levels of hearsay is this?

Just one. But it's one *under oath*.

--bks

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On 5/20/2023 6:44 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On 16 May 2023 00:59:09 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
>> People under oath say the strangest things:
>> |
>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>> | court documents.
>> | ...
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>
>>
>> --bks
>
> How many levels of hearsay is this?

Zero. The former aide is reporting on what she directly heard. That's not hearsay.

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 by: Jay Santos - Sat, 20 May 2023 15:08 UTC

On 5/20/2023 6:56 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> |
>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>> | court documents.
>>> | ...
>> ....
>> How many levels of hearsay is this?
>
> Just one. But it's one *under oath*.

No, there is *zero* hearsay. Once again, I have to instruct Kremlin Girl / Bit
of Nothingness, the illiterate ignorant mackerel-reeking cunt, on what is and
isn't hearsay.

Case 1:

Witness: "Donald Trump was offering to sell pardons for $2 million apiece."

Lawyer: "How do you know Trump was offering to sell pardons for $2 million
apiece?"

Witness: "Because Rudy Julieannie told me that Trump told him that."

Case 2:

Witness: "Rudy Julieannie said that he and Trump discussed selling pardons
for $2 million apiece."

Lawyer: "How do you know Rudy Julieannie said that?"

Witness: "Because he said it *to me*."

Case 1 is hearsay. The witness did not observe Trump offering to sell pardons,
nor did she witness talking about such an offer.

Case 2 is *not* hearsay. The witness is a *direct* witness to what Julieannie
said, because Julieannie said it *to the witness*. It is not hearsay.

That stinking mackerel-reeking cunt Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness does not
know what hearsay is, and because she is willfully and aggressively stupid, she
never will know.

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 by: Siri Cruise - Sat, 20 May 2023 20:14 UTC

NoBody wrote:
> On 16 May 2023 00:59:09 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
>> People under oath say the strangest things:
>> |
>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>> | court documents.
>> | ...
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>
>>
>> --bks
>
> How many levels of hearsay is this?

(A) Hearsay can be admitted a evidence in some circumstances.

(B) Intelligent and fair people are saying alleged.

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>
>People under oath say the strangest things:
> |
> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
> | court documents.
> | ...
><https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-trump-were-224039141.html>
>
> --bks
>
>

Did Trump trade any for homosexual acts again?

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 by: NoBody - Sun, 21 May 2023 14:11 UTC

On Sat, 20 May 2023 13:56:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

>Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> |
>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>> | court documents.
>>> | ...
>> ....
>>How many levels of hearsay is this?
>
>Just one. But it's one *under oath*.
>
> --bks

Unprovable hearsay under oath is supposed to mean something???

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 by: Timothy Parlatore - Sun, 21 May 2023 17:06 UTC

On 5/21/2023 7:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2023 13:56:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
> Sherman) wrote:
>
>> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> |
>>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>>> | court documents.
>>>> | ...
>>> ....
>>> How many levels of hearsay is this?
>>
>> Just one. But it's one *under oath*.
>>
>> --bks
>
> Unprovable hearsay under oath is supposed to mean something???

It's not hearsay.

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 by: Governor Swill - Sun, 21 May 2023 19:44 UTC

On Sun, 21 May 2023 10:06:14 -0700, Timothy Parlatore <jd@trump.org> wrote:

>On 5/21/2023 7:11 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 13:56:40 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>> Sherman) wrote:
>>
>>> Kremlin Girl <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>>>> | court documents.
>>>>> | ...
>>>> ....
>>>> How many levels of hearsay is this?
>>>
>>> Just one. But it's one *under oath*.
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> Unprovable hearsay under oath is supposed to mean something???
>
>It's not hearsay.

Correct. The aide was testifying as to what she was told by Giuliani.

Swill
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 by: Bradley K. Sherman - Mon, 19 Jun 2023 00:45 UTC

>>>>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>>>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>>>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>>>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>>>>> | court documents.

Confirmed by Mike Pence's chief of staff:
|
| Pence Chf of Staff Marc Short rips Trump for his pardons:
| "One of the most unseemly parts of our Admin was the
| pardons Trump gave to cocaine traffickers, family members,
| people guilty of violent crimes. It was indefensible.
| People giving $750K to lobbyists trying to get pardon."
|
| [33-second video at URL]
|
<https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1670504932682653697>

--bks

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 by: Lou Bricano - Mon, 19 Jun 2023 01:15 UTC

On 6/18/2023 5:45 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>>>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>>>>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>>>>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>>>>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>>>>>> | court documents.
>
> Confirmed by Mike Pence's chief of staff:
> |
> | Pence Chf of Staff Marc Short rips Trump for his pardons:
> | "One of the most unseemly parts of our Admin was the
> | pardons Trump gave to cocaine traffickers, family members,
> | people guilty of violent crimes. It was indefensible.
> | People giving $750K to lobbyists trying to get pardon."
> |
> | [33-second video at URL]
> |
> <https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1670504932682653697>

Of course Trump sold pardons. No one can seriously question that.
Unfortunately, there is no provision for revoking pardons, even if the president
acted corruptly in issuing them (Trump (the liar and thief) can *only* act
corruptly).

The constitutional power of the executive to grant pardons is beyond the
control of the judiciary. No court has the power to review grounds or
motives for the action of the executive in granting a pardon. The
constitutional power of the President to grant reprieves and pardons for
offenses against the U.S. is an unreviewable power.

https://pardonandparole.uslegal.com/issuance-and-revocation-of-pardon/

Sadly, only Chris Christie among the Republiscum/QAnon candidates for president
might attack Trump (the liar and thief) for his *corrupt* issuance of pardons.
None of the other toadies would dare do it.

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 by: Governor Swill - Mon, 19 Jun 2023 12:05 UTC

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 00:45:46 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

>>>>>>> | A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani
>>>>>>> | says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and
>>>>>>> | then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell
>>>>>>> | presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to
>>>>>>> | court documents.
>
>Confirmed by Mike Pence's chief of staff:
> |
> | Pence Chf of Staff Marc Short rips Trump for his pardons:
> | "One of the most unseemly parts of our Admin was the
> | pardons Trump gave to cocaine traffickers, family members,
> | people guilty of violent crimes. It was indefensible.
> | People giving $750K to lobbyists trying to get pardon."
> |
> | [33-second video at URL]
> |
><https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1670504932682653697>
>
> --bks

In the fifteenth century, the Church sold 'indulgences'. These were documents officially
certifying the bearer forgiven of all sin by the Pope and thereby allowed to go directly
to heaven on their death.

This practice was the finally nail that led to the Reformation and the destruction of the
Church's power over the people and states of Europe.

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