yesterday. it was two eggs sunny side up,
i've not done that in so long that i barely
remember when it was (maybe 5 or more years
ago). fried in butter in the cast iron pan.
warmed the pan up enough to melt the butter
and then cracked the eggs in, fried just a
few moments until the bottoms set, but then
turned off the heat and covered for a few
minutes to just set the whites on top. before
covering i sprinkled with garlic salt (which
turned out to be a mistake). i made some
bacon crumbles more crispy in the microwave
and then the eggs and bacon went into a bowl
with some reheated pancakes from the day
before.

the combination of bacon, garlic salt and
butter on the eggs was way too much salt. oh
well, survived but i won't make that mistake
again.

some drops of sriracha hot sauce on the
eggs was the only condiment.

dessert was a cup of fake coffee (trying to
use the jar up) with enough creamer and brown
sugar in there to sweeten it. at the rate i'm
using up the jar of fake coffee i might make
it to retirement age before i finish it.

songbird

On 10/17/2023 8:45 AM, songbird wrote:
> yesterday. it was two eggs sunny side up, i've not done that in so
> long that i barely remember when it was (maybe 5 or more years ago).
> (snip)
> the combination of bacon, garlic salt and butter on the eggs was way
> too much salt. oh well, survived but i won't make that mistake
> again.
>
> some drops of sriracha hot sauce on the eggs was the only condiment.

I could never get behind siracha, there is something "off" about it. I
keep some kind of vinegar based hot sauce on hand.

Aside from coffee, breakfast/lunch today was a toasted bun, baked at the
local grocer, with a fried egg and two sliced Vienna sausages on it. I
fried the sausage slices in the skillet with the egg. They are salty
enough that I didn't need any seasoning on the egg.

> dessert was a cup of fake coffee (trying to use the jar up) with
> enough creamer and brown sugar in there to sweeten it. at the rate
> i'm using up the jar of fake coffee i might make it to retirement age
> before i finish it.

I'm a frugal person, and I surely don't consider myself wasteful, but it
just isn't worth it. Only actual ground coffee for me, please. Pass
that jar along to someone else, or keep the jar as an "emergency" back
up. Some people use instant coffee for baking.

Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/17/2023 8:45 AM, songbird wrote:
>> yesterday. it was two eggs sunny side up, i've not done that in so
>> long that i barely remember when it was (maybe 5 or more years ago).
>> (snip)
>> the combination of bacon, garlic salt and butter on the eggs was way
>> too much salt. oh well, survived but i won't make that mistake
>> again.
>>
>> some drops of sriracha hot sauce on the eggs was the only condiment.
>
> I could never get behind siracha, there is something "off" about it. I
> keep some kind of vinegar based hot sauce on hand.

it is fermented with a little sugar, salt, vinegar
and garlic. i can't taste the vinegar so i like it.
i'm not a fan of primarily vinegar tasting hot sauces
if i wanted vinegar flavored taco seasoning i'd just
put vinegar in the chili or whatever. for me the
whole thing behind a hot sauce is the chili flavor
and since i'm pretty much immune to garlic i don't
mind that either and of course the heat. i do not
taste the salt or the sugar at all and i normally
do not salt foods i make so they must not use too
much of it or i would notice. fermentation is
probably via the lactobacilli bacteria which is
normally found about anywhere. probably the only
reason they add the vinegar is to make sure it is
acidic enough to get things going with the
fermentation and the salt also helps with that and
from then on the acidity would increase as the
peppers ferment.

> Aside from coffee, breakfast/lunch today was a toasted bun, baked at the
> local grocer, with a fried egg and two sliced Vienna sausages on it. I
> fried the sausage slices in the skillet with the egg. They are salty
> enough that I didn't need any seasoning on the egg.
>
>> dessert was a cup of fake coffee (trying to use the jar up) with
>> enough creamer and brown sugar in there to sweeten it. at the rate
>> i'm using up the jar of fake coffee i might make it to retirement age
>> before i finish it.
>
> I'm a frugal person, and I surely don't consider myself wasteful, but it
> just isn't worth it. Only actual ground coffee for me, please. Pass
> that jar along to someone else, or keep the jar as an "emergency" back
> up. Some people use instant coffee for baking.

i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
while.

songbird

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>
> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
> while.
>
> songbird
>
I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??

I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
for caffeine.

On 2023-10-17, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> On 10/17/2023 8:45 AM, songbird wrote:
>> yesterday. it was two eggs sunny side up, i've not done that in so
>> long that i barely remember when it was (maybe 5 or more years ago).
>> (snip)
>> the combination of bacon, garlic salt and butter on the eggs was way
>> too much salt. oh well, survived but i won't make that mistake
>> again.
>>
>> some drops of sriracha hot sauce on the eggs was the only condiment.
>
> I could never get behind siracha, there is something "off" about it. I

It's fermented. And it has sugar and garlic.

I like it, but not as a general-purpose hot sauce. Come to think of
it, I really don't have a general-purpose hot sauce. I've got Frank's,
Tabasco (classic and chipotle), and sriracha in the fridge. Each one
has its uses; none is good for all.

> keep some kind of vinegar based hot sauce on hand.
>
> Aside from coffee, breakfast/lunch today was a toasted bun, baked at the
> local grocer, with a fried egg and two sliced Vienna sausages on it. I
> fried the sausage slices in the skillet with the egg. They are salty
> enough that I didn't need any seasoning on the egg.

Does frying improve Vienna sausages? Straight out of the can, they're
just disgusting. OTOH, I'm not that fond of hotdogs, either.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>>
>> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
>> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
>> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
>> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
>> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
>> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
>> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
>> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
>> while.
>>
>> songbird
>>
> I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
> of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
> tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
>
> I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
> can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
> not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
> for caffeine.

I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:26:04 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>>>
>>> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
>>> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
>>> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
>>> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
>>> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
>>> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
>>> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
>>> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> songbird
>>>
>> I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
>> of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
>> tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
>>
>> I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
>> can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
>> not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
>> for caffeine.
>
>I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
>don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
>only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
>bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
>was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
>it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.

Going from 5 cups or more to 4-5 cups isn't a drastic change.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> >>
> >> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
> >> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
> >> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
> >> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
> >> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
> >> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
> >> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
> >> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
> >> while.
> >>
> >> songbird
> >>
> > I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
> > of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
> > tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
> >
> > I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
> > can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
> > not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
> > for caffeine.
> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.

I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
>> >> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
>> >> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
>> >> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
>> >> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
>> >> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
>> >> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
>> >> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
>> >> while.
>> >>
>> >> songbird
>> >>
>> > I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
>> > of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
>> > tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
>> >
>> > I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
>> > can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
>> > not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
>> > for caffeine.
>> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
>> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
>> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
>> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
>> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
>> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.
>
>I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.

When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
US liquid gallons?

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
> >> >> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
> >> >> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
> >> >> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
> >> >> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
> >> >> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
> >> >> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
> >> >> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
> >> >> while.
> >> >>
> >> >> songbird
> >> >>
> >> > I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
> >> > of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
> >> > tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
> >> >
> >> > I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
> >> > can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
> >> > not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
> >> > for caffeine.
> >> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
> >> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
> >> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
> >> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
> >> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
> >> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.
> >
> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
> US liquid gallons?

A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
>> >> >> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
>> >> >> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
>> >> >> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
>> >> >> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
>> >> >> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
>> >> >> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
>> >> >> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
>> >> >> while.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> songbird
>> >> >>
>> >> > I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
>> >> > of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
>> >> > tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
>> >> >
>> >> > I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
>> >> > can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
>> >> > not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
>> >> > for caffeine.
>> >> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
>> >> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
>> >> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
>> >> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
>> >> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
>> >> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.
>> >
>> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
>> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
>> US liquid gallons?
>
>A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.

That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.

On 10/17/2023 3:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-10-17, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Aside from coffee, breakfast/lunch today was a toasted bun, baked at the
>> local grocer, with a fried egg and two sliced Vienna sausages on it. I
>> fried the sausage slices in the skillet with the egg. They are salty
>> enough that I didn't need any seasoning on the egg.
>
> Does frying improve Vienna sausages? Straight out of the can, they're
> just disgusting. OTOH, I'm not that fond of hotdogs, either.
>
I agree, Cindy. Canned Vienna sausages are disgusting. I don't see how
slicing and frying them could possibly be an improvement on the
hotdog-like extruded mush texture.

Jill

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:03:46 AM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/17/2023 8:45 AM, songbird wrote:
> > yesterday. it was two eggs sunny side up, i've not done that in so
> > long that i barely remember when it was (maybe 5 or more years ago).
> > (snip)
> > the combination of bacon, garlic salt and butter on the eggs was way
> > too much salt. oh well, survived but i won't make that mistake
> > again.
> >
> > some drops of sriracha hot sauce on the eggs was the only condiment.
> I could never get behind siracha, there is something "off" about it. I
> keep some kind of vinegar based hot sauce on hand.
>
> Aside from coffee, breakfast/lunch today was a toasted bun, baked at the
> local grocer, with a fried egg and two sliced Vienna sausages on it. I
> fried the sausage slices in the skillet with the egg. They are salty
> enough that I didn't need any seasoning on the egg.
> > dessert was a cup of fake coffee (trying to use the jar up) with
> > enough creamer and brown sugar in there to sweeten it. at the rate
> > i'm using up the jar of fake coffee i might make it to retirement age
> > before i finish it.
> I'm a frugal person, and I surely don't consider myself wasteful, but it
> just isn't worth it. Only actual ground coffee for me, please. Pass
> that jar along to someone else, or keep the jar as an "emergency" back
> up. Some people use instant coffee for baking.
>
Songbird has disgusting tastes, up there with
Bowser. Instant coffee isn't fit for a pig, and
non-dairy coffee creamer is exactly fit for a
pig, but not a human.

--Bryan

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> >> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
> >> >> >> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
> >> >> >> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
> >> >> >> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
> >> >> >> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
> >> >> >> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
> >> >> >> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
> >> >> >> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
> >> >> >> while.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> songbird
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
> >> >> > of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
> >> >> > tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
> >> >> > can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
> >> >> > not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
> >> >> > for caffeine.
> >> >> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
> >> >> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
> >> >> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
> >> >> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
> >> >> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
> >> >> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.
> >> >
> >> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
> >> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
> >> US liquid gallons?
> >
> >A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.

Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>>>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i love coffee but caffiene is not something i can
>>>>>>>> tolerate so the fake stuff is what i keep on hand for
>>>>>>>> me when i do want some coffee flavored something. it
>>>>>>>> works ok. i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
>>>>>>>> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
>>>>>>>> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
>>>>>>>> like to be dependent upon it. i wouldn't throw out
>>>>>>>> something i'm using even if i only use it once in a
>>>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> songbird
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
>>>>>>> of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
>>>>>>> tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
>>>>>>> can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
>>>>>>> not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
>>>>>>> for caffeine.
>>>>>> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
>>>>>> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
>>>>>> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
>>>>>> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
>>>>>> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
>>>>>> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
>>>> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
>>>> US liquid gallons?
>>>
>>> A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
>> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.
>
> Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.
>

Uncle, how do asians drink coffee?

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
>> >> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
>> >> US liquid gallons?
>> >
>> >A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
>> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.
>
>Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.
>
True. Maybe it's really weak coffee, more like tea. If you order tea
in the US, you get a soft drink and if you order coffee, you get tea.
I think I'm on to something!

On 10/17/2023 3:09 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>>
>> i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
>> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
>> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
>> like to be dependent upon it.
>>
> I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
> of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
> tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??

I suppose that some people are more susceptible to it than others. I
can drink as much or as little coffee as I want, whatever time of day I
want, and I've surely never had a headache or craved caffeine.

On 10/17/2023 6:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I
>>>> usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these
>>>> days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
>>> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language,
>>> 0.0066043 US liquid gallons?
>>
>> A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that
>> you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
>
> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.

That's not really a lot. I make/drink about 24 ounces of coffee per day
at home, which is close to twice what David's mug holds. My mug is
smaller, so I fill it up 4 different times, typically.

At work, the machine makes 72 ounces of coffee. Typically, I drink
about half of it, and other people consume the rest. Some days, I'm the
only one who drinks it, and I still come close to finishing the pot if
no one else is working on it, through the course of a 6+ hour day.

On 10/17/2023 3:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-10-17, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> I could never get behind siracha, there is something "off" about it. I
>
> It's fermented. And it has sugar and garlic.

Might be the ferment, I'm not sure. The sugar is off-putting for sure.
When I expect hot sauce, I expect savory.

> I like it, but not as a general-purpose hot sauce. Come to think of
> it, I really don't have a general-purpose hot sauce. I've got Frank's,
> Tabasco (classic and chipotle), and sriracha in the fridge. Each one
> has its uses; none is good for all.

I do have a little bottle of Tobasco on hand, but it lives in the spice
rack, and is not frequently used. I'd say the Franks would be my
all-purpose, I put that on everything (LOL). I've bought the store
brand Louisiana style hot sauce, and it's about the same to me.

>> Aside from coffee, breakfast/lunch today was a toasted bun, baked at the
>> local grocer, with a fried egg and two sliced Vienna sausages on it. I
>> fried the sausage slices in the skillet with the egg. They are salty
>> enough that I didn't need any seasoning on the egg.
>
> Does frying improve Vienna sausages? Straight out of the can, they're
> just disgusting. OTOH, I'm not that fond of hotdogs, either.

I certainly won't eat hot dogs, primarily for the ingredients. I slice
the little sausages down the middle length wise, and fry them until they
are browned on both sides. The texture is a lot better that way.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
> >> >> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
> >> >> US liquid gallons?
> >> >
> >> >A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
> >> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.
> >
> >Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.
> >
> True. Maybe it's really weak coffee, more like tea. If you order tea
> in the US, you get a soft drink and if you order coffee, you get tea.
> I think I'm on to something!

I make the coffee so there's no reason for the coffee to be weak. I have no idea where you come up with your crazy notions.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:26:11 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2023-10-17 3:09 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard heavy coffee drinkers say they
> > can't sleep late in the morning because it gives them a headache. No, it's
> > not sleeping late that gives them a busting head, it's their body screaming
> > for caffeine.
> >
> I was told to cut back on caffeine after my heart failure incident. I
> don't get headaches and never had an ongoing problem with them. I have
> only had a handful of headaches in my life. They probably weren't even
> bad ones compared to what I hear people who get them regularly. When I
> was working I 5 or more cups of coffee a day. I never got headaches from
> it. When I retired I cut back to 4-5. I just don't see the connection.
>
A hundred years ago I went on a diet plan that meant absolutely no caffeine..
That also meant no diet cokes as at that time they had not come out with diet
caffeine-free cokes. I did have an annoying headache for about 2 days that
Tylenol didn't diminish. Some of the participants were heavy, heavy coffee and
cola drinkers and a couple said their headaches were so bad they actually had
to miss work and stay in the bed.

All of my former bosses were constant coffee drinkers throughout the day. Every
one stated they could not sleep late on their days off because doing that would
give them raging headaches.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:54:39 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> On 10/17/2023 3:09 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:36:43 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> >>
> >> i can have a cup of regular coffee here or
> >> there but i can't make a habit of it as caffiene
> >> withdrawal headaches are just not worth it and i don't
> >> like to be dependent upon it.
> >>
> > I would venture to say if you limited yourself to one, perhaps two cups
> > of coffee per day, you'd not experience caffeine headaches. Have you
> > tried buying decaf ground, or whole bean, coffee??
> >
> I suppose that some people are more susceptible to it than others. I
> can drink as much or as little coffee as I want, whatever time of day I
> want, and I've surely never had a headache or craved caffeine.
>
But have you tried quitting coffee cold turkey? Just stop and not drink any
coffee at all?

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
>> >> >> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
>> >> >> US liquid gallons?
>> >> >
>> >> >A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
>> >> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.
>> >
>> >Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.
>> >
>> True. Maybe it's really weak coffee, more like tea. If you order tea
>> in the US, you get a soft drink and if you order coffee, you get tea.
>> I think I'm on to something!
>
>I make the coffee so there's no reason for the coffee to be weak. I have no idea where you come up with your crazy notions.

Nothing stops you from making weak American coffee. But things may
have improved. To quote Tom Waits:
"It's getting harder and harder to get a bad cup of coffee in the Los
Angeles area."

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:08:04 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
> >> >> >> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
> >> >> >> US liquid gallons?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
> >> >> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.
> >> >
> >> >Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.
> >> >
> >> True. Maybe it's really weak coffee, more like tea. If you order tea
> >> in the US, you get a soft drink and if you order coffee, you get tea.
> >> I think I'm on to something!
> >
> >I make the coffee so there's no reason for the coffee to be weak. I have no idea where you come up with your crazy notions.
> Nothing stops you from making weak American coffee. But things may
> have improved. To quote Tom Waits:
> "It's getting harder and harder to get a bad cup of coffee in the Los
> Angeles area."

The idea that I would make weak coffee is a silly notion. I don't do second rate work.

On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 00:55:48 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 6:08:04 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:26:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 16:05:56 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:07:46 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> >> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I'm trying to up my coffee consumption to 2 cups a day. I usually drink 3/4 of a mug of coffee. I'm up to 1.25 cups these days. I'm not quite there but remain hopeful.
>> >> >> >> When you say "cup" do you mean 250 ml or, in your language, 0.0066043
>> >> >> >> US liquid gallons?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >A mug of coffee would be about 12 - 14 oz. My target, in terms that you can understand, would be around 700 mL.
>> >> >> That's a lot of coffee. And those are huge cups at 350 ml.
>> >> >
>> >> >Wadda ya want? That's just how Americans drink coffee.
>> >> >
>> >> True. Maybe it's really weak coffee, more like tea. If you order tea
>> >> in the US, you get a soft drink and if you order coffee, you get tea.
>> >> I think I'm on to something!
>> >
>> >I make the coffee so there's no reason for the coffee to be weak. I have no idea where you come up with your crazy notions.
>> Nothing stops you from making weak American coffee. But things may
>> have improved. To quote Tom Waits:
>> "It's getting harder and harder to get a bad cup of coffee in the Los
>> Angeles area."
>
>The idea that I would make weak coffee is a silly notion. I don't do second rate work.
>
I'm sure you make the kind of coffee that you like. It would be silly
not to.