On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> excellent article.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>
"Create a free account, or log in."

Pfftt.

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
> >
> > excellent article.
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
> >
> "Create a free account, or log in."
>
> Pfftt.

"Who loves ya, baby...???"

Joan, as a subscriber, I can gift ya with free articles, this link might work for you. Below is the text for all the
other peeps...

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The Salmon on Your Plate Has a Troubling Cost. These Farms Offer Hope.

Land-based aquaculture is still coming into its own, but it stands to upend an industry plagued by environmental concerns.

By Melissa Clark

Melissa Clark, a columnist for the Food section, has reported extensively on the environmental impact of seafood. She reported from Auburn, N.Y.

Oct. 16, 2023

"A revolution in the way Americans eat salmon is quietly being fomented inside a former factory building on the industrial edges of Auburn, a small city in the Finger Lakes region of New York.

At LocalCoho, one of the country’s few sustainable salmon farms, 50,000 silvery coho salmon glide through concrete tanks filled with freshwater that recirculates through biofilters every half-hour. To mimic a marine environment, the lights are kept a dim, deep aqua blue that makes the salmon seem to glow.

In this eerie twilight, Andre Bravo, the chief operating officer, has carefully tended these fish since they first arrived, as a mound of glistening orange roe large enough to top a thousand blini if they hadn’t been destined for piscine adulthood. It takes them 18 months to reach full size — about 6½ pounds — at which point they can be sold to high-end restaurants and retailers like FreshDirect, where fillets sell for about $17 a pound.

That LocalCoho is able to raise these complex creatures on land is a radical change, one poised to turn an industry rife with environmental concerns on its head.

Image

In a large room under blue lights, coho salmon glide in concrete tanks, surrounding by pipes and other equipment to keep the water recirculating.
LocalCoho’s salmon are raised in freshwater tanks using a recirculating water system that eliminates waste every 30 minutes. That waste can be used as fertilizer.Credit...Amrita Stuetzle for The New York Times

Salmon is the second-most-popular seafood in the United States, where the average American consumes more than three pounds a year. (Shrimp is No. 1, with average annual consumption reaching nearly six pounds in 2021.)

About 10 to 20 percent of this is wild Pacific salmon, most of which comes from well-managed fisheries in Alaska. But the rest is imported farmed fish raised in open net-pens in the ocean, a much-criticized system made even more problematic by rising water temperatures and other climate challenges.

Now, several land-based farms across the country are beginning to offer a more climate-stable alternative to traditional salmon aquaculture — one that’s cleaner, more ecologically responsible and potentially has a lower carbon footprint.

So far, their fish is available only in local markets, most of them in Florida, New York and Wisconsin. But experts say that land-based farming is the future of salmon aquaculture in America — and the world, as similar businesses gain footing in countries like Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Poland and Japan.

In the next two decades, they say, land-raised fish will become a significant part of America’s salmon supply. Worldwide, the field is drawing investments from companies involved in ocean farming, including the industry giants Grieg Seafood and Mitsubishi (which owns Cermaq Global, a company that has salmon farms in Norway, Chile, and Canada).

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About 99 percent of the world’s salmon farming takes place in open net-pens, which allow water to flow between farms and the marine environment. This free exchange has been at the heart of many of the industry’s issues, worsened by severe crowding that pollutes the surrounding ecosystem with excrement and other effluvia, and promotes the spread of diseases and pests like sea lice, resulting in the need for antibiotics and pesticides.

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Three gutted, head-on coho salmon shimmer, silver-skinned, on a bed of ice.
Most farmed salmon is flown in from abroad. Land-based salmon farms are able to supply fresh fish locally within a day or two or harvest.Credit...Amrita Stuetzle for The New York Times

In the 2022 book “Salmon Wars: The Dark Underbelly of Your Favorite Fish,” Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins compare this kind of aquaculture to factory farming. (Mr. Frantz is a former staff reporter and editor at The New York Times; Ms. Collins has contributed to The Times.)

“Most salmon farms are like floating feedlots,” Ms. Collins said.

The system is also susceptible to large-scale escapes, she said, which can wreak havoc on the fragile population of wild fish.

The 2017 escape of at least 250,000 fish from a Cooke Aquaculture farm in Puget Sound led Washington State to join California and Oregon in banning ocean-based aquaculture of nonnative species, like Atlantic salmon. And this past August in Iceland, a Norwegian-owned farm lost thousands of Atlantic salmon, whose escape carries the added threat that the farmed fish will interbreed with the endangered local wild Atlantic salmon. Studies have shown that the spawn of interbred fish have a compromised ability to survive in the wild.

“Every place where Atlantic salmon is raised in net-pens, the wild population has declined by as much as 70 percent,” Ms. Collins said..

But because of warming ocean temperatures, the number of feasible sites to build new ocean-based salmon farms is decreasing; even though the industry wants to expand its open net-pen operations, there’s limited space to do so.

Another major concern is the industry’s carbon footprint. Because it’s most valuable when sold fresh, most of America’s farmed salmon, imported from Chile and Norway, is flown in. Only 2 percent is farmed domestically. (Wild Pacific salmon, which is flash-frozen and shipped by boat, has a much lower environmental cost.)

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A man in a black and white shirt leans on a blue tank filled with swimming salmon, his reflection is visible in the water.
Brian Vinci is the director of the Conservation Fund’s Freshwater Institute, which has been researching land-based aquaculture technology since 1990. Salmon-specific research began in 2008.Credit...Jennifer Chase for The New York Times

Brian Vinci, the director of the Conservation Fund’s Freshwater Institute, a nonprofit conservation program that works with the federal Department of Agriculture, said land-based farms were the most realistic way forward to increase food security and provide high-quality protein to Americans without increasing dependence on imported seafood.

A 2016 study he co-wrote compared the carbon emissions of Norwegian salmon raised in ocean net-pens and flown to the United States with that of land-raised salmon sold within 250 miles of production. The local salmon’s total carbon cost was less than half of the Norwegian import’s. This percentage shrinks even more when the energy-intensive recirculating aquaculture systems, or R.A.S., at the heart of these farms runs on a renewable energy source, such as hydropower — or perhaps one day, biogas made from fish feces.

But these farms face steep challenges to making a profit.

“You need to get everything 100 percent right to make money,” Mr. Vinci said, and that’s a tall order when new technology is involved.

Atlantic Sapphire, the nation’s largest land-based salmon farm, has been plagued with setbacks since it built its $250 million farm in Homestead, Fla., in 2017.

Despite this, the company, whose salmon is marketed under the brand Bluehouse and sold in Publix Super Markets, has managed to raise $120 million so far this year.

Damien Claire, the chief sales and marketing officer, estimates that Atlantic Sapphire will break even in 2024, with an expected harvest of 10,000 metric tons of salmon, assuming no new big problems arise. It plans to scale up to 220,000 metric tons within the next decade.

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A hand sheathed in an orange glove uses a large set of tweezers to handle delicate salmon eggs, which are a darker shade of orange.

At Bluehouse Salmon In Homestead, Fla., Atlantic salmon eggs are incubated until they hatch, then spend the first stages of their life cycle in freshwater. They are later moved to saltwater tanks.Credit...Martina Tuaty for The New York Times

If this does come to pass, it will go a long way in meeting U.S. demand for farmed salmon: 500,000 to 700,000 metric tons per year.

Mr. Vinci believes this goal is very attainable: The federal government, he noted, has invested tens of millions of dollars in researching recirculating aquaculture systems.

“Land-based technology is already viable,” he said. “We are 25 to 30 years away from replacing 50 to 70 percent of our imported farmed salmon with domestically raised fish.”

On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> excellent article.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>
> "Create a free account, or log in."
>
> Pfftt.

Funny. That was my reaction too.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>> excellent article.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>>
>> "Create a free account, or log in."
>>
>> Pfftt.
>
>Funny. That was my reaction too.

What a coincidence!!!

On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>>
>>>> excellent article.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>>>
>>> "Create a free account, or log in."
>>>
>>> Pfftt.
>>
>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
>
> What a coincidence!!!

This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
wallet is too tight.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 12:12:44 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
>>
>> What a coincidence!!!
>
>This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
>the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
>this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
>subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
>wallet is too tight.

Says the man whose wallet can only be opened with a crowbar.

Michael Trew wrote:

> This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it.

Simply untrue, a quick goog:

"What is The New York Times digital revenue?

New York Times Revenue Rises 6.3% - The New York Times

Revenue from digital and print subscriptions was $409.6 million, up 6.8 percent. Digital advertising
revenue increased 6.5 percent for the quarter, to $73.8 million, while print advertising
decreased 8.6 percent, to $44 million. Aug 8, 2023..."

>The internet has done this to us.

NO, the internet has led to plethora of news sources - but then you dwell in "1948 World"...

In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
> subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
> wallet is too tight.

Mine's not - I pay $72.00 per year for the "Evanston Now" news site...

https://evanstonnow.com/

"Your best source of community news since 2006..."

I contribute about $100.00 per year to the excellent local site "Wirepoints':

https://wirepoints.org/

"Connecting the dots between our economy government and people"

$60.00 per year for "Real Clear Politics"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

"Mission Statement - To cover the news fairly and honestly.

To present our audience with informed viewpoints spanning the ideological spectrum in ways that help facilitate meaningful discourse on governance, campaigns, elections, and public policy...

To resist attempts at censoring what Americans are allowed to see, read, watch, hear, say, and write..."

I subscribe to Matt Taibbi's superb "Racket News" @ $50.00 per year:

https://www.racket.news/

I grew up an admirer of investigative reporters like the great Seymour Hersh, narrative journalists like
Rolling Stone’s Hunter Thompson, and independent muckrakers like I.F. Stone (I was fortunate to win
the 2020 Izzy Award for independent journalism, named after Stone). I try to take a little from each
model, trying to report on complex topics like finance, congressional procedure and military contracting
in clear, accessible language...

With the Substack model, I’m trying to emulate the pure independence of Stone, who provided critical information about the American government for decades with just a printing press and a small base of subscribers...

As a subscriber, you will get access to earlier serialized books, The Business Secrets of Drug-Dealing: Adventures of the Unidentified Black Male and Hate Inc.: How, And Why, The Press Makes Us Hate One Another..."

My NY Times, WSJ, and New York Mag subscriptions cost me four bucks per month each, so
that's $144.00...

A Portland social worker has an excellent Substack, I pay $90.00 per year for that,
it's worth twice as much:

https://truthonthestreets.substack.com/

"My name is Kevin Dahlgren. I am a freelance journalist, a drug and alcohol counselor, homelessness
consultant, former cartoonist and cat lover. I live in Portland Oregon and have worked in social services
for over twenty five years.

I have been very vocal ever since. I entered social services with the genuine intent to make a
difference. I quickly learned this was near impossible. Our social service system is extremely
dysfunctional, has become very radicalized and at times corrupt. What once was a cause has
now become a multibillion dollar industry.

It is why I decided to start this newsletter. I also have a very active Twitter account where over the last
year few years I have interviewed hundreds of homeless. I started interviewing them when I realized
nobody was really was listening to the experts with actual results..."

This is a true "Golden Era" for journalism...

Many of the above news outlets would have never even been remotely viable in the prehistoric "print age" of
journalism...

I am happy to spend the money I do on these subs - it's not much, considering all the journalistic riches they
allow me access to....

My NY Times, WSJ, and New York Mag subscriptions cost me four bucks per month each, so
that's $144.00... plus the above subs I mentioned...

--
GM

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 12:12:44 -0400, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47?PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> excellent article.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>>>>
>>>> "Create a free account, or log in."
>>>>
>>>> Pfftt.
>>>
>>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
>>
>> What a coincidence!!!
>
>This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
>the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
>this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
>subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
>wallet is too tight.

Depends of the paper, I have always found the UK's The Guardian a good
paper and pay for a monthly subscription to it.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 12:59:16 PM UTC-5, lucr...@florence..it wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 12:12:44 -0400, Michael Trew

> >This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
> >the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
> >this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
> >subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
> >wallet is too tight.
> Depends of the paper, I have always found the UK's The Guardian a good
> paper and pay for a monthly subscription to it.

A leftist rag, just like the NY Times has become...

However I have a cheap Times sub, as "The Newspaper of Record" I can see what Our Rulers consider
"news" - more often than not it's like a pad "Onion" parody...

At least for that four bux per month I can access the full NY Times archive back to 1851... I'm
a history buff so's I'm glad to pay it...

Once in a ***great*** while the Times might have a fine article - the last I remember was from
this last Spring, it was about the fine offerings on the dining cars of some premium Central European trains
in Czechia, Germany, Austria, Hungary. Poland...

But such well - researched and informative articles are *exceedlingly* rare in the Times these daze...

BTW, 50 - odd years ago I "splurged" and subscribed to the weekly airmail edition of what had recently been
The *Manchester* Guardian, it was a treat to read...

"On 24 August 1959, The Manchester Guardian changed its name to The Guardian. This change
reflected the growing prominence of national and international affairs in the newspaper. In September
1961, The Guardian, which had previously only been published in Manchester, began to be printed in London..."

--
GM

On 10/17/2023 12:12 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> excellent article.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>>>>
>>>> "Create a free account, or log in."
>>>>
>>>> Pfftt.
>>>
>>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
>>
>> What a coincidence!!!
>
> This is precisely the issue with the modern public.  Journalism is on
> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it.  The internet has done
> this to us.  In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
> subscription to support local and national journalists.  Now, everyone's
> wallet is too tight.

Correct. I do get the local paper but read it on line. The local paper
in most cases is not owned by the local sources but are part of a
conglomerate. The Sarasota Herald was founded in 1925 but is now a part
of the NY Times-Halifax Group. They are owned by Gannett. Gannett was
acquired by GateHouse Media Inc.

Bruce wrote:
....
> Says the man whose wallet can only be opened with a crowbar.

we joke here about moths flying out of my
wallet when i open it. i don't really have to
that often as i hate shopping and a lot of
things i just have autopay.

songbird

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:31:42 AM UTC-5, Bering Sea Bar & Brig@MarthaStewart.GoodThing wrote:
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:52:12 PM UTC-7, itsjoan...@webtv..net wrote:
> >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
> > >
> > "Create a free account, or log in."
> >
> > Pfftt.
> >
> Just turn off java script.
>
I don't jump through hoops, create accounts, sign in, or anything else to
be able to view and/or read articles or pictures.

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 1:31:42 AM UTC-5, Bering Sea Bar & Br...@MarthaStewart.GoodThing wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 1:52:12 PM UTC-7, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
> > > >
> > > "Create a free account, or log in."
> > >
> > > Pfftt.
> > >
> > Just turn off java script.
> >
> I don't jump through hoops, create accounts, sign in, or anything else to
> be able to view and/or read articles or pictures.

As I do...

And the worst is "We see you are using an ad blocker... to access this article, please disable
your ad blocker..."

NOPE...!!!

--
GM

On 2023-10-17, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
> On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> excellent article.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>>>>
>>>> "Create a free account, or log in."
>>>>
>>>> Pfftt.
>>>
>>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
>>
>> What a coincidence!!!
>
> This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
> this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
> subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
> wallet is too tight.

I pay for my subscriptions to the Ann Arbor News, Detroit Free Press,
and Washington Post. I'm not about to pay for the Times as well.

--
Cindy Hamilton

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> ><adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > excellent article.
> > > > >
> > > > >
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
> > > > >
> > > > "Create a free account, or log in."
> > > >
> > > > Pfftt.
> > >
> > > Funny. That was my reaction too.
> >
> > What a coincidence!!!
>
> This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has
> done this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a
> newspaper subscription to support local and national journalists.
> Now, everyone's wallet is too tight.

Not actually. The problem is too many 'pay me' sites. Paying _1_ site
is ok, paying 15 is not.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 21:32:04 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
>> ><adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>> > > > On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > excellent article.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>> > > > >
>> > > > "Create a free account, or log in."
>> > > >
>> > > > Pfftt.
>> > >
>> > > Funny. That was my reaction too.
>> >
>> > What a coincidence!!!
>>
>> This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
>> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has
>> done this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a
>> newspaper subscription to support local and national journalists.
>> Now, everyone's wallet is too tight.
>
>Not actually. The problem is too many 'pay me' sites. Paying _1_ site
>is ok, paying 15 is not.

How about 2 or 3? Where do you draw the line?

On 2023-10-17 1:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-10-17, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>> On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> excellent article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Create a free account, or log in."
>>>>>
>>>>> Pfftt.
>>>>
>>>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
>>>
>>> What a coincidence!!!
>>
>> This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
>> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
>> this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
>> subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
>> wallet is too tight.
>
> I pay for my subscriptions to the Ann Arbor News, Detroit Free Press,
> and Washington Post. I'm not about to pay for the Times as well.
>
It's obvious from my reply upthread that I subscribe to the NYT. I also
subscribe to the WaPo.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 2:47:05 PM UTC-7, Graham wrote:
> On 2023-10-17 1:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2023-10-17, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> >> On 10/16/2023 6:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:42:17 -0400, Dave Smith
> >>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2023-10-16 4:52 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 2:45:47 PM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> excellent article.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/dining/farm-raised-salmon-sustainability.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> "Create a free account, or log in."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pfftt.
> >>>>
> >>>> Funny. That was my reaction too.
> >>>
> >>> What a coincidence!!!
> >>
> >> This is precisely the issue with the modern public. Journalism is on
> >> the decline, because no one wants to pay for it. The internet has done
> >> this to us. In the past, people didn't blink at paying for a newspaper
> >> subscription to support local and national journalists. Now, everyone's
> >> wallet is too tight.
> >
> > I pay for my subscriptions to the Ann Arbor News, Detroit Free Press,
> > and Washington Post. I'm not about to pay for the Times as well.
> >
> It's obvious from my reply upthread that I subscribe to the NYT. I also
> subscribe to the WaPo.

I turn off javascript on my phone and get them Free. I'll keep js on for Bloomberg.