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(May 30, 2022 / JNS) For the past three months, I have resisted the urge
to write about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It was just too
disturbing. Covid wasn’t bad enough, so we needed a war too? War is ugly,
cruel, terrible and barbaric. I have watched the genocide and devastation
of Ukraine along with everybody else. I am sickened and distressed by it
like everybody else. And I am most disturbed because I see very few
diplomatic efforts to end the war. I ask myself, as Michael Goodwin put it
in the New York Post, “Are we on the verge of sleepwalking into World War
III?”

In his book The Sleepwalkers, Christopher Clark describes how World War I
began even though no European leader wanted war or thought that war would
be the result of their actions. In general, war results from a series of
cumulative miscalculations.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/its-time-for-the-u-s-to-negotiate-an-end-to-the-russia-ukraine-war/

The war in Ukraine is a senseless one, and it has upset the New World
Order that emerged after the end of the Cold War. It has thrust us back to
the “Old World Order” in which Russia was ruled by the likes of Stalin and
Khrushchev. Europe’s 30-year calm has been shattered.

There is plenty of blame to go around, and historians will no doubt spend
decades in the attempt to assign it. Mistakes have been made. But now is
the time to negotiate a settlement between Putin and Zelensky.

My grandfather came from Zhitomer and fought for the Russians in the
Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5. His life was saved by U.S. President
Theodore Roosevelt, who negotiated the peace treaty that ended the war.
President Joe Biden must now do the same: negotiate peace between Russia
and Ukraine in order to save lives. Otherwise, we risk sleepwalking into
World War III. As Henry Kissinger recently said, we are at a “turning
point.”

As Dominic Green wrote in the New York Post, “Either the Biden
administration can push for negotiations, define the terms of a peace deal
and secure the foundations of a 21st century security system in Europe, or
it can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and pursue an open-ended and
uncontrollable conflict with Russia that will cost thousands of Ukrainian
lives, reverse America’s gains and consume America’s global strategy.”

If Biden thinks that Putin can be defeated, this would be the exact kind
of miscalculation that could lead to World War III. As Green put it, “The
closer America gets to defeating Russia in Ukraine, the closer America
gets to losing in Ukraine. While it is imperative for the stability of
Europe that Putin does not win outright in Ukraine, it is vital that he
not lose too badly. If he wins, he will be emboldened, but if he loses, he
will be enraged—and regain the initiative. Putin is not mad but wicked.”

In the Russo-Japanese War, both Russia and Japan made territorial claims
on Manchuria and Korea. Casualties were high on both sides. The Russians
lost 60,000 men and the Japanese lost 41,000. Throughout the war American
public opinion tended to side with Japan, just as American public opinion
sides with Ukraine today. The Japanese asked Roosevelt to negotiate a
peace agreement and representatives of the two nations met in Portsmouth,
New Hampshire in 1905. There, Roosevelt negotiated a treaty that gave
Japan control of Korea and much of south Manchuria. Russia, which lost the
war, was not required to pay Japan’s war costs. Both sides conceded on
certain issues, but also came away with an accomplishment.

Although the situations are different, it is now up to the Biden
administration to end the Russia-Ukraine war in a similar way: each side
will give something up, but also walk away with something. This must be
done before the war spirals out of control and the world sleepwalks into
World War III. There is bipartisan support for the negotiation of such a
settlement. Biden must seize the moment before it is too late.

### - surely all this only even started because the US singularly refused
to negotiate?

i.e., the russians cited sticking to the minsk agreement to obviate the
problem and the US said there is no agreement, thus leaving russia little
alternative but to sort out their own security concerns... everything
we're experiencing today being the direct result of that decision...

iow: ALL this 'extra' suffering on top of covid COULD have been completely
avoided if saner minds had prevailed at the time??

unfortunately, the west's 'plan' (for world domination) apparently doesn't
include either russia or china in their grand scheme of future things,
rather the opposite actually: we want to be rid of them altogether! and
that's prolly not very practical or even very realistic without there
first being a huge war...

(perhaps when whole economies start crashing they'll be more inclined to
rethink the situation huh, unfortunately that's also when the real wars
usually begin rather than anyone having to change their plans... coz we
'only' learn things the hard way...)

> ### - surely all this only even started because the US singularly refused
> to negotiate?

Propaganda runs deep.
In USA, if an emergency alert was sent out
advising an attack by interdimensional unicorns
was imminent, the people would take to the streets
armed with everything from hair spray to machetes.
GOD = Government now. No thinking allowed citizen!

>
> i.e., the russians cited sticking to the minsk agreement to obviate the
> problem and the US said there is no agreement, thus leaving russia little
> alternative but to sort out their own security concerns... everything
> we're experiencing today being the direct result of that decision...

We are in a revolution here. A form of colliding tidal forces.
The Russians were preparing to fight the USA for ten years.
The USA was figuring out how men could have babies.
> iow: ALL this 'extra' suffering on top of covid COULD have been completely
> avoided if saner minds had prevailed at the time??
>
> unfortunately, the west's 'plan' (for world domination) apparently doesn't
> include either russia or china in their grand scheme of future things,
> rather the opposite actually: we want to be rid of them altogether! and
> that's prolly not very practical or even very realistic without there
> first being a huge war...

It's about 80 to 20 as: Eurasian Alliances Vs Western Alliances.
The Americans are cursed by the after effects of nuclear genocide.

Theme = Omnipotence Creates Exhaustion.
The political class in USA is spent and empty.
No vision, no ideals, no plan, just a deep set paranoia.
Liberals, conservatives, swing vote independents backed war.
Now the devil wants his due, humiliation and defeat of the False God USA.

>
> (perhaps when whole economies start crashing they'll be more inclined to
> rethink the situation huh, unfortunately that's also when the real wars
> usually begin rather than anyone having to change their plans... coz we
> 'only' learn things the hard way...)

On Tue, 31 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
<intraphase@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> ### - surely all this only even started because the US singularly refused
>> to negotiate?
>
>Propaganda runs deep.
>In USA, if an emergency alert was sent out
>advising an attack by interdimensional unicorns
>was imminent, the people would take to the streets
>armed with everything from hair spray to machetes.
>GOD = Government now. No thinking allowed citizen!
>
>>
>> i.e., the russians cited sticking to the minsk agreement to obviate the
>> problem and the US said there is no agreement, thus leaving russia little
>> alternative but to sort out their own security concerns... everything
>> we're experiencing today being the direct result of that decision...
>
>We are in a revolution here. A form of colliding tidal forces.
>The Russians were preparing to fight the USA for ten years.
>The USA was figuring out how men could have babies.

You are so full of shit mate. Stuck in your little one bedroom flat
while you pontificate on those who have made relative successes of
their lives. Sucking on the teat of government welfare while you
berate and chastise those whose succour you take with ingratitude.

You are the shit which needs to be cleansed from the system. How have
you ever been productive - remember JFK - ask not what your country
can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

All you can do is condemn those without whom you could not survive.
Fucking parasitic scum. Reminds me of a sassenach called Brian who
does the same - I wonder how he has contributed to the overall wealth
of his country?

>
>> iow: ALL this 'extra' suffering on top of covid COULD have been completely
>> avoided if saner minds had prevailed at the time??
>>
>> unfortunately, the west's 'plan' (for world domination) apparently doesn't
>> include either russia or china in their grand scheme of future things,
>> rather the opposite actually: we want to be rid of them altogether! and
>> that's prolly not very practical or even very realistic without there
>> first being a huge war...
>
>It's about 80 to 20 as: Eurasian Alliances Vs Western Alliances.
>The Americans are cursed by the after effects of nuclear genocide.
>
>Theme = Omnipotence Creates Exhaustion.
>The political class in USA is spent and empty.
>No vision, no ideals, no plan, just a deep set paranoia.
>Liberals, conservatives, swing vote independents backed war.
>Now the devil wants his due, humiliation and defeat of the False God USA.
>
>>
>> (perhaps when whole economies start crashing they'll be more inclined to
>> rethink the situation huh, unfortunately that's also when the real wars
>> usually begin rather than anyone having to change their plans... coz we
>> 'only' learn things the hard way...)

You won't need to worry. You don't own anything at all. The results
of a life well spent :)
>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:40:53 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>(May 30, 2022 / JNS) For the past three months, I have resisted the urge
>to write about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It was just too
>disturbing. Covid wasn’t bad enough, so we needed a war too? War is ugly,
>cruel, terrible and barbaric. I have watched the genocide and devastation
>of Ukraine along with everybody else. I am sickened and distressed by it
>like everybody else. And I am most disturbed because I see very few
>diplomatic efforts to end the war. I ask myself, as Michael Goodwin put it
>in the New York Post, “Are we on the verge of sleepwalking into World War
>III?”
>
>In his book The Sleepwalkers, Christopher Clark describes how World War I
>began even though no European leader wanted war or thought that war would
>be the result of their actions. In general, war results from a series of
>cumulative miscalculations.
>
>https://www.jns.org/opinion/its-time-for-the-u-s-to-negotiate-an-end-to-the-russia-ukraine-war/
>
>The war in Ukraine is a senseless one, and it has upset the New World
>Order that emerged after the end of the Cold War. It has thrust us back to
>the “Old World Order” in which Russia was ruled by the likes of Stalin and
>Khrushchev. Europe’s 30-year calm has been shattered.
>
>There is plenty of blame to go around, and historians will no doubt spend
>decades in the attempt to assign it. Mistakes have been made. But now is
>the time to negotiate a settlement between Putin and Zelensky.
>
>My grandfather came from Zhitomer and fought for the Russians in the
>Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5. His life was saved by U.S. President
>Theodore Roosevelt, who negotiated the peace treaty that ended the war.
>President Joe Biden must now do the same: negotiate peace between Russia
>and Ukraine in order to save lives. Otherwise, we risk sleepwalking into
>World War III. As Henry Kissinger recently said, we are at a “turning
>point.”
>
>As Dominic Green wrote in the New York Post, “Either the Biden
>administration can push for negotiations, define the terms of a peace deal
>and secure the foundations of a 21st century security system in Europe, or
>it can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian and pursue an open-ended and
>uncontrollable conflict with Russia that will cost thousands of Ukrainian
>lives, reverse America’s gains and consume America’s global strategy.”
>
>If Biden thinks that Putin can be defeated, this would be the exact kind
>of miscalculation that could lead to World War III. As Green put it, “The
>closer America gets to defeating Russia in Ukraine, the closer America
>gets to losing in Ukraine. While it is imperative for the stability of
>Europe that Putin does not win outright in Ukraine, it is vital that he
>not lose too badly. If he wins, he will be emboldened, but if he loses, he
>will be enraged—and regain the initiative. Putin is not mad but wicked.”
>
>In the Russo-Japanese War, both Russia and Japan made territorial claims
>on Manchuria and Korea. Casualties were high on both sides. The Russians
>lost 60,000 men and the Japanese lost 41,000. Throughout the war American
>public opinion tended to side with Japan, just as American public opinion
>sides with Ukraine today. The Japanese asked Roosevelt to negotiate a
>peace agreement and representatives of the two nations met in Portsmouth,
>New Hampshire in 1905. There, Roosevelt negotiated a treaty that gave
>Japan control of Korea and much of south Manchuria. Russia, which lost the
>war, was not required to pay Japan’s war costs. Both sides conceded on
>certain issues, but also came away with an accomplishment.
>
>Although the situations are different, it is now up to the Biden
>administration to end the Russia-Ukraine war in a similar way: each side
>will give something up, but also walk away with something. This must be
>done before the war spirals out of control and the world sleepwalks into
>World War III. There is bipartisan support for the negotiation of such a
>settlement. Biden must seize the moment before it is too late.
>
>### - surely all this only even started because the US singularly refused
>to negotiate?

You fucking stick man. It started because people in Ukraine didn't
want to live on their knees.

You are indeed a fucking dog. Mr # 7...

>
>i.e., the russians cited sticking to the minsk agreement to obviate the
>problem and the US said there is no agreement, thus leaving russia little
>alternative but to sort out their own security concerns... everything
>we're experiencing today being the direct result of that decision...

Eat shit.

>
>iow: ALL this 'extra' suffering on top of covid COULD have been completely
>avoided if saner minds had prevailed at the time??
>
>unfortunately, the west's 'plan' (for world domination) apparently doesn't
>include either russia or china in their grand scheme of future things,
>rather the opposite actually: we want to be rid of them altogether! and
>that's prolly not very practical or even very realistic without there
>first being a huge war...

Right. That's the way you want it, cunt. Let the games begin...

The west's plan for world domination. That statement makes you my
enemy pal.

>
>(perhaps when whole economies start crashing they'll be more inclined to
>rethink the situation huh, unfortunately that's also when the real wars
>usually begin rather than anyone having to change their plans... coz we
>'only' learn things the hard way...)

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:43:54 AM UTC-5, o'Mahoney wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2022 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT), LowRider44M
>
> >
> >> ### - surely all this only even started because the US singularly refused
> >> to negotiate?
> >
> >Propaganda runs deep.
> >In USA, if an emergency alert was sent out
> >advising an attack by interdimensional unicorns
> >was imminent, the people would take to the streets
> >armed with everything from hair spray to machetes.
> >GOD = Government now. No thinking allowed citizen!
> >
> >>
> >> i.e., the russians cited sticking to the minsk agreement to obviate the
> >> problem and the US said there is no agreement, thus leaving russia little
> >> alternative but to sort out their own security concerns... everything
> >> we're experiencing today being the direct result of that decision...
> >
> >We are in a revolution here. A form of colliding tidal forces.
> >The Russians were preparing to fight the USA for ten years.
> >The USA was figuring out how men could have babies.

> You are so full of shit mate. Stuck in your little one bedroom flat
> while you pontificate on those who have made relative successes of
> their lives.

If you really believed that you wouldn't have spent the last 20 years
of your life here slagging people off. Your the rot, your the cancer.
When you doxxed Brian you crossed a line you can never come back from. ...[] * []...
All your material success is a torment and torture to you that is why
you fear death, because the poverty is within you and your amazed and
stumped to understand that poverty of soul is the real challenge.
Your success means nothing when it all comes crashing down.
Your little psychotic break fearing the nukes were going to fly was
laughable at best. A few puffs of ganga and your locked in the very abyss
you tried to create for others.

>Sucking on the teat of government welfare while you
> berate and chastise those whose succour you take with ingratitude.

Succor, not succour Thang. You have not paid your rent for the
Sun, the Moon and The Earth, and that flesh suit your so fond of.
Everyone knows the cliche:
If you take all the water out of a human body you have one cup
of powder, if you take all the spaces out between the atoms, electron,
protons and neutrons you have a single grain of sand illuminated by
the tidal forces of Eternal Infinite (outward) and Infinite Eternal (inward).
A zero dimensional point, made one dimensional by the haze of info
breathing in and out. You are a single point of light, that is infinite
within and sizeless without... Back to the rent, welfare issue...
If you see from 120K overview, somebody confiscated 30 trillion
dollars from the Americans and lit it on fire, once the blaze was hot
the corpses of sixty million decapitated and dismembered Americans
were placed on the fire, a most lovely and beautiful funeral pyre it is.

You traded eternal life for trinkets and baubles.
Your so deep in the mirage you have to believe.
That's one of the reasons you can't leave this group.
Your trapped in an overturned car, in a river, breathing
from an air pocket, scratching at roof liner, trying not to
panic. But panic you do, when you feel yourself alone
within that one point of light, trapped with every other version
of yourself. Forever at war, just like this world. You became
this world, your identity subsumed by the machinations of rival
ant mounds and termite mounds, and the enlightened one, the beehives.
You have created nothing within your self, you are an orphan because you
betrayed yourself.

Ponder this: Thy neighbor is thy self.
It means you can not destroy other only self.
Your my doppelganger in that sense, rich with toys
but bereft of food, water, and shelter inside your version of
infinite totality verses eternal totality. Your dead inside
because you committed the one unforgivable sin.
You betrayed yourself. So you linger here hoping to
find a way back home, when your supposed to be building
a boat and setting sail inward to build a core, something
to honorably distract the eternal and infinite until you can
achieve a balance and go back and rescue your earlier selves.

>
> You are the shit which needs to be cleansed from the system.

Your a snitch and a rat, your no plumber or house painter.
Post your name and address and I'll be there within 72 hours.
That's what you need right, an enemy. That's why I giggled you
thinking I'm a hippie. See getting you to Dox me was the trap.
You played the role of predator doxxing Brian and I played
the role of super predator, watching, waiting, circling...
preparing to make an irreversible. decision.

Post your details and this welfare sucking, hippie bitch,
psycho asshole shall arrive 72 hours later and solve the problem.
Your not going to because you are afraid of me in a way that
you've never been afraid before.

You see for Brian this is proof that I could never have controlled
the situation from long ago. The only way you can control other
is to lose power over self. That is why your are powerless.
You can not flee this battlefield
You can not reveal your identity
Your death shall arrive unexpectedly, and those two statements
shall remain as "Absolute Truth."
You painted yourself into a corner bragging about ganga.
Then saying Brian owed you fifty bucks for not posting a picture.
That's how you eventually end up doxxing him.

Here in this group is nothing but mental chess. That's all.
You showed up with a gun and I called your bluff and took it.
I started beating the crap out of him, until I triggered a different
part of you consciousness to engage. I played him to play you.

Call my bluff: identify yourself.
It's called a "Perfectionist Failure Binding" in psychology, in this group
of mental chess it's called, "Zugzwang"
What is the meaning of zugzwang in chess?
Zugzwang: a situation in which the obligation to make a move
in one's turn is a serious, often decisive, disadvantage.

> How have
> you ever been productive - remember JFK - ask not what your country
> can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

That's why I shot him. I wrote the "Magic Bullet Theory"
You seek to relitigate the entire Kennedy to Lennon deletion.
You don't have ships, math engines, math fabrics, or access
to the core. Your a temporal jurisdiction, that failed to use a human
brain to produce a human mind, your a lobster in a lobster pot.
There are four ships-equations parked above your house,
When you make your next move they shall respond and make a move.

Call my bluff: identify yourself.

>
> All you can do is condemn those without whom you could not survive.
> Fucking parasitic scum. Reminds me of a sassenach called Brian who
> does the same - I wonder how he has contributed to the overall wealth
> of his country?

Your trapped on this Earth for a reason. You substitute country for family
and self as an form immanence, the hive mind of moral calculus applied to tribal politics.
Because you believed, you betrayed your family, and they betrayed you.
Mental chess in this group is the pressure release valve you found.

Immanence, in philosophy and theology, a term applied,
in contradistinction to “transcendence,” to the fact or condition of being
entirely within something (from Latin immanere, “to dwell in, remain”).

Your little ganga inspired panic was really me touching you and infecting
you with a dose of Clarity-Vitality-Integrity. Before I came here you were
the Titanic resting on the ocean floor. I infused calibrated momentums
with a set of specialized math engines and raised you up 23 lightmachs
off the ocean floor to study the wreckage. There was a gash in the data fields
that serve as a hull barrier. Your cosmos equation committed suicide.
Hiroshima=Sodom / Nagasaki=Gomorrah. Your inability to fathom the
basics of: Eternal Infinite Vs. Infinite Eternal as outward verses inward
caused you to play with matches in the closet, and burn your house down.
This civilization is a five year old child on life support in the intensive care
unit of a hospital ship equation. I am the Pilot-Captain-Navigator.

You got out played because I took "Absolute Responsibility."

If this civilization fails I shall salvage the raw materials and recycle them
using a bound infinite constellation of math engines designed for the task.
To me you are a queen bee in a sick blighted hive labeled Australia 2022.

The ultimate welfare queen. Queen Thang
P.S. When reminding Brian of how I used him as a Rook,
try to focus on my accusations of necrophilia when he was
digging up corpses in his basement for sex. If not that please
remind him of the accusations of human cannibalism whereby
he was ignoring the high quality legs and rump roasts already
in the freezer for the foolish obsession of acquiring the ultimate
crown roast. He got so fixated he failed to purchase, "A Fine Chianti"
and the crown roast was a diminished quest.

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Subject	Author
It’s time for the U.S. to negotiate an end	slider
Re: It’s time for the U.S. to negotiate an end to	LowRider44M
Re: It?s time for the U.S. to negotiate an end to the Russia-Ukraine war	o'Mahoney
Re: It’s time for the U.S. to negotiate an end to	LowRider44M
no time for sympathy	chris rodgers
Re: no time for sympathy	LowRider44M
Re: It?s time for the U.S. to negotiate an end to the Russia-Ukraine war	o'Mahoney