On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:02:46 PM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote in alt.usage.english:
> On 2023-10-23 18:52:45 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
> > On 23-Oct-23 18:25, lar3ryca wrote:
> >> On 2023-10-23 10:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment.."
> >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
> >>>>
> >>>> chiefly Australia
> >>>> : a pump usually at a service station for dispensing liquid fuels,
> >>>> especially gasoline
> >>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowsers
> >>>>
> >>>> It's interestingly odd that Forbes would use an obscure Australian
> >>>> trademark, which, as far as I can tell, is essentially local slang,
> >>>> for something that happened in Putin's War in Ukraine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Makes no sense to me for them to use Australian slang in such an article.
> >>>> But maybe the slang [bowsers] is more well known than I think it may be?
> >>>>
> >>>> [bowsers] Is the author misusing the trademark or is it familiar to you?
> >>>
> >>> Fuel bowsers are common in the British forces. Common name for
> >>> refuelling trucks. See also airports.
> >>
> >> That's also what the RCAF calls them.
> >>
> > I'm sure this is a repeat from a few months back.
> > Someone made assumptions about "Bowser" being a very obscure term, and
> > the whole thing was fully explained back then.
>
> I have to confess that the only Bowser I know of is Bruce.

Yes, but we'd all rather you talk about the best café in the EU for home-brewed beer or for French brewed coffee.

bruce bowser wrote:

> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:02:46 PM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote in alt.usage.english:
> > On 2023-10-23 18:52:45 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
> > > On 23-Oct-23 18:25, lar3ryca wrote:
> > >> On 2023-10-23 10:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> > >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> > >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> > >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> > >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
> > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> chiefly Australia
> > >>>> : a pump usually at a service station for dispensing liquid fuels,
> > >>>> especially gasoline
> > >>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowsers
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's interestingly odd that Forbes would use an obscure Australian
> > >>>> trademark, which, as far as I can tell, is essentially local slang,
> > >>>> for something that happened in Putin's War in Ukraine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Makes no sense to me for them to use Australian slang in such an article.
> > >>>> But maybe the slang [bowsers] is more well known than I think it may be?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [bowsers] Is the author misusing the trademark or is it familiar to you?
> > >>>
> > >>> Fuel bowsers are common in the British forces. Common name for
> > >>> refuelling trucks. See also airports.
> > >>
> > >> That's also what the RCAF calls them.
> > >>
> > > I'm sure this is a repeat from a few months back.
> > > Someone made assumptions about "Bowser" being a very obscure term, and
> > > the whole thing was fully explained back then.
> >
> > I have to confess that the only Bowser I know of is Bruce.
>
> Yes, but we'd all rather you talk about the best café in the EU for home-brewed beer or for French brewed coffee.

bb, some people may call this “Black Privilege” when some people of color take things that don’t
belong to them...

When I say people of color I mean white, black, brown, red, purple, green or whatever color they identify
with on any given day...

--
GM

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> bruce bowser wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:02:46 PM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote in alt.usage.english:
> > > On 2023-10-23 18:52:45 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
> > > > On 23-Oct-23 18:25, lar3ryca wrote:
> > > >> On 2023-10-23 10:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> > > >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> > > >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> > > >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> > > >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
> > > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> chiefly Australia
> > > >>>> : a pump usually at a service station for dispensing liquid fuels,
> > > >>>> especially gasoline
> > > >>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowsers
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It's interestingly odd that Forbes would use an obscure Australian
> > > >>>> trademark, which, as far as I can tell, is essentially local slang,
> > > >>>> for something that happened in Putin's War in Ukraine.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Makes no sense to me for them to use Australian slang in such an article.
> > > >>>> But maybe the slang [bowsers] is more well known than I think it may be?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [bowsers] Is the author misusing the trademark or is it familiar to you?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Fuel bowsers are common in the British forces. Common name for
> > > >>> refuelling trucks. See also airports.
> > > >>
> > > >> That's also what the RCAF calls them.
> > > >>
> > > > I'm sure this is a repeat from a few months back.
> > > > Someone made assumptions about "Bowser" being a very obscure term, and
> > > > the whole thing was fully explained back then.
> > >
> > > I have to confess that the only Bowser I know of is Bruce.
> >
> > Yes, but we'd all rather you talk about the best café in the EU for home-brewed beer or for French brewed coffee.
> bb, some people may call this “Black Privilege”

That doesn't exist anymore. Not even on the basketball court. Especially after the 1960's Bill Russell's Boston Celtics 11 ring championships. Michael Jordan only got 6 rings. Top that? Ha, please.

bruce bowser wrote:

> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-4, GM wrote:
> > bruce bowser wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 3:02:46 PM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote in alt.usage.english:
> > > > On 2023-10-23 18:52:45 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
> > > > > On 23-Oct-23 18:25, lar3ryca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2023-10-23 10:40, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> > > > >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> > > > >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> > > > >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> > > > >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
> > > > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> chiefly Australia
> > > > >>>> : a pump usually at a service station for dispensing liquid fuels,
> > > > >>>> especially gasoline
> > > > >>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowsers
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> It's interestingly odd that Forbes would use an obscure Australian
> > > > >>>> trademark, which, as far as I can tell, is essentially local slang,
> > > > >>>> for something that happened in Putin's War in Ukraine.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Makes no sense to me for them to use Australian slang in such an article.
> > > > >>>> But maybe the slang [bowsers] is more well known than I think it may be?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> [bowsers] Is the author misusing the trademark or is it familiar to you?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Fuel bowsers are common in the British forces. Common name for
> > > > >>> refuelling trucks. See also airports.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That's also what the RCAF calls them.
> > > > >>
> > > > > I'm sure this is a repeat from a few months back.
> > > > > Someone made assumptions about "Bowser" being a very obscure term, and
> > > > > the whole thing was fully explained back then.
> > > >
> > > > I have to confess that the only Bowser I know of is Bruce.
> > >
> > > Yes, but we'd all rather you talk about the best café in the EU for home-brewed beer or for French brewed coffee.
> > bb, some people may call this “Black Privilege”
> That doesn't exist anymore. Not even on the basketball court. Especially after the 1960's Bill Russell's Boston Celtics 11 ring championships. Michael Jordan only got 6 rings. Top that? Ha, please.

Is that 'tin-eared' or subtle, bb...???

;-D

--
GM

> > >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> > >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> > >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> > >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
> > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/

The US is getting in some real world/war testing of its cluster munitions in the Ukraine. I thought they were illegal but it seems to be the next big thing in killing, maiming, and incapacitating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcTBjApdSDQ&t=259s

On 2023-10-28 5:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>>>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large
>>>>>>> installations crowded with unprotected equipment. An
>>>>>>> airfield, for example, with its fragile airplanes,
>>>>>>> helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
>>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
>
>>>>>>>
> The US is getting in some real world/war testing of its cluster
> munitions in the Ukraine. I thought they were illegal but it seems to
> be the next big thing in killing, maiming, and incapacitating.
>

There are a number of countries who have banned cluster munitions. The
US is not one of them, and neither are Russia or the Ukraine.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 18:15:07 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-10-28 5:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large
>>>>>>>> installations crowded with unprotected equipment. An
>>>>>>>> airfield, for example, with its fragile airplanes,
>>>>>>>> helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
>>>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
>>
>>>>>>>>
>> The US is getting in some real world/war testing of its cluster
>> munitions in the Ukraine. I thought they were illegal but it seems to
>> be the next big thing in killing, maiming, and incapacitating.
>
>There are a number of countries who

/that

>have banned cluster munitions.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-10-28 5:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large
>>>>>>>> installations crowded with unprotected equipment. An
>>>>>>>> airfield, for example, with its fragile airplanes,
>>>>>>>> helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
>>>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>> The US is getting in some real world/war testing of its cluster
>> munitions in the Ukraine. I thought they were illegal but it
>> seems to
>> be the next big thing in killing, maiming, and incapacitating.
>>
>
>
> There are a number of countries who have banned cluster
> munitions. The US is not one of them, and neither are Russia or
> the Ukraine.
>

Good thing, else you'd have to arrest them.

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 2:47:24 PM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> > > >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> > > >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> > > >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
> > > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
> The US is getting in some real world/war testing of its cluster munitions in the Ukraine. I thought they were illegal but it seems to be the next big thing in killing, maiming, and incapacitating.

Who used it first? The Russkies or Ukraine? If one uses it, the other has to. Right?

On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 6:07:47 PM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 2:47:24 PM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > >>> On 23/10/2023 17:34, Ken Blake wrote:
> > > > >>>> "A submunition warhead is perfect for striking large installations
> > > > >>>> crowded with unprotected equipment. An airfield, for example, with its
> > > > >>>> fragile airplanes, helicopters, fuel [bowsers] and support equipment."
> > > > >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/
> > The US is getting in some real world/war testing of its cluster munitions in the Ukraine. I thought they were illegal but it seems to be the next big thing in killing, maiming, and incapacitating.
> Who used it first? The Russkies or Ukraine? If one uses it, the other has to. Right?

It doesn't matter who uses it first. The only thing that matters is that it's a highly cost-effective tool.