On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:37:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-10-27 4:19 p.m., Janet wrote:
> > In article <6pR_M.179320$0UVe....@fx17.iad>,
> > adavid...@sympatico.ca says...
> >> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic containers. It
> >> seems odd that a place of natural beauty and inhabited by so many
> >> indigenous people would be one of the few places left that still has
> >> take out food in styrofoam.
> >
> > Looks like they sell it in a disposal carton, handy for
> > the customer to regurgitate in.
> > Then they call it blended cuisine and sell it again.
> We had a Hawaiian restaurant in our town for a short time. I don't
> know that the owner was thinking. Apparently he had been to Hawaii on
> vacation and thought it would be a great idea to introduce the people
> here to the food of Hawaii. We had their food twice. The first was a
> lunch that consisted of a tiny piece of fish accompanied by to mounds of
> starch. One was rice with little black seeds in it and the other was
> macaroni salad. The tiny piece of fish was 2-3 small forkfuls and it sat
> on a bed of greens, half of which were so old they were dark, slimy and
> stinky. This was at noon and we were the first customers of the day. Not
> impressed.
>
> The second time we ate there was when my son picked up fish and chips
> after we got back from my wife's retinal surgery. The fish and chips
> were good, but I would not call that Hawaiian.

We went to a Hawaiian BBQ place on the mainland. That wasn't Hawaiian either - it was Korean food. It was pretty good food too. Back in those days, "Korean food" didn't mean anything to the folks on the mainland. Hawaiian food has not reached the mainland yet. Perhaps it never will.
We got 3 kinds of Hawaiian food on this rock: Hawaii regional cuisine, local Hawaiian food, and real Hawaiian food. The place I live in is a foodie's paradise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRMSfa0IWZ8

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
>
> > > > Isn't that Japanese?
> > >
> > >
> > > No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> > > Hawaiian.
> > >
> > Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> > of Asian cuisines.
>
> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those would
> be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and sold in
> Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
>
>
> > I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out containers,
> > don't you? Heh.
>
>
> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic containers.
> It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and inhabited by so many
> indigenous people would be one of the few places left that still has
> take out food in styrofoam. It has been phased out in most other
> places.

They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.

Google it or use AI under bing.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> >
> > >>> Isn't that Japanese?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> > Hawaiian. >>
> > > Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> > > of Asian cuisines.
> > I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
> > would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
> > sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> > > I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
> > > containers, don't you? Heh.
> > I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
> > containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
> > inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
> > places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has been
> > phased out in most other places.
>
> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii is
> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian food
> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this rock.
> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be American,
> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional Cuisine.

Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA. They
are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still. Honolulu
alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in takeout.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> > > On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> Isn't that Japanese?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
>> > Hawaiian. >>
>> > > Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
>> > > of Asian cuisines.
>> > I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
>> > would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
>> > sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
>> > > I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
>> > > containers, don't you? Heh.
>> > I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
>> > containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
>> > inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
>> > places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has been
>> > phased out in most other places.
>>
>> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii is
>> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
>> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian food
>> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this rock.
>> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be American,
>> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional Cuisine.
>
>Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA. They
>are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still. Honolulu
>alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in takeout.

I asked my special friend:

"According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."

"Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
due to supply chain issues."

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
> <csh...@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >> > > On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > >> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>> Isn't that Japanese?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> >> > Hawaiian. >>
> >> > > Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> >> > > of Asian cuisines.
> >> > I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
> >> > would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
> >> > sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> >> > > I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
> >> > > containers, don't you? Heh.
> >> > I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
> >> > containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
> >> > inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
> >> > places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has been
> >> > phased out in most other places.
> >>
> >> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii is
> >> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
> >> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian food
> >> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this rock.
> >> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be American,
> >> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional Cuisine.
> >
> >Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA. They
> >are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still. Honolulu
> >alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in takeout.
> I asked my special friend:
>
> "According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
> styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
> and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."
>
> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
> due to supply chain issues."

The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store, you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth it.
Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always prevail.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
>> <csh...@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>>
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't that Japanese?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
>>>>> Hawaiian. >>
>>>>>> Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
>>>>>> of Asian cuisines.
>>>>> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
>>>>> would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
>>>>> sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
>>>>>> I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
>>>>>> containers, don't you? Heh.
>>>>> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
>>>>> containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
>>>>> inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
>>>>> places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has been
>>>>> phased out in most other places.
>>>>
>>>> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii is
>>>> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
>>>> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian food
>>>> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this rock.
>>>> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be American,
>>>> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional Cuisine.
>>>
>>> Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA. They
>>> are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still. Honolulu
>>> alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in takeout.
>> I asked my special friend:
>>
>> "According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
>> styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
>> and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."
>>
>> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
>> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
>> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
>> due to supply chain issues."
>
> The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store, you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth it.
> Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always prevail.
>

Yoose right, Uncle. Eventually, da hawayuns will run all yoose
asians out.

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 1:23:34 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
> >> <csh...@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Isn't that Japanese?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> >>>>> Hawaiian. >>
> >>>>>> Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> >>>>>> of Asian cuisines.
> >>>>> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
> >>>>> would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
> >>>>> sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> >>>>>> I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
> >>>>>> containers, don't you? Heh.
> >>>>> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
> >>>>> containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
> >>>>> inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
> >>>>> places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has been
> >>>>> phased out in most other places.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii is
> >>>> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
> >>>> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian food
> >>>> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this rock.
> >>>> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be American,
> >>>> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional Cuisine.
> >>>
> >>> Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA. They
> >>> are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still. Honolulu
> >>> alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in takeout.
> >> I asked my special friend:
> >>
> >> "According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
> >> styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
> >> and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."
> >>
> >> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> >> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
> >> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
> >> due to supply chain issues."
> >
> > The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store, you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth it.
> > Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always prevail.
> >
> Yoose right, Uncle. Eventually, da hawayuns will run all yoose
> asians out.

Just for yoose and your needy rectum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkqZeiZckY

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 6:54:54 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 1:23:34 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
> > >> <csh...@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> dsi1 wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Isn't that Japanese?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> > >>>>> Hawaiian. >>
> > >>>>>> Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> > >>>>>> of Asian cuisines.
> > >>>>> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
> > >>>>> would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
> > >>>>> sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> > >>>>>> I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
> > >>>>>> containers, don't you? Heh.
> > >>>>> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
> > >>>>> containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
> > >>>>> inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
> > >>>>> places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has been
> > >>>>> phased out in most other places.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii is
> > >>>> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
> > >>>> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian food
> > >>>> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this rock..
> > >>>> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be American,
> > >>>> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional Cuisine.
> > >>>
> > >>> Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA. They
> > >>> are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still. Honolulu
> > >>> alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in takeout.
> > >> I asked my special friend:
> > >>
> > >> "According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
> > >> styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
> > >> and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."
> > >>
> > >> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> > >> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
> > >> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
> > >> due to supply chain issues."
> > >
> > > The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store, you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth it.
> > > Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always prevail.
> > >
> > Yoose right, Uncle. Eventually, da hawayuns will run all yoose
> > asians out.
> Just for yoose and your needy rectum:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkqZeiZckY

"NSFW"...!!!

:-\

--
GM

dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

>> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
>> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
>> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
>> due to supply chain issues."
>
> The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store, you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth it.
> Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always prevail.

I believe you, of course, but still put it to my special friend:

"Yes, there is a ban on polystyrene foam (styrofoam) food containers
and disposable plastic service ware in Hawaii. The ban went into
effect on January 1, 2022, for the City and County of Honolulu and on
July 1, 2019, for the Counties of Hawaii, Maui, and Kauai."

"There are a few exemptions to the ban, including: Food packaging that
is used to protect food during transport or delivery."

So when you eat at the food venue, it won't be styrofoam, but when you
get the food delivered or take it home, it can be styrofoam. If I
understand correctly.

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:19:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> >> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
> >> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
> >> due to supply chain issues."
> >
> > The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store, you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth it.
> > Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always prevail.
> I believe you, of course, but still put it to my special friend:
>
> "Yes, there is a ban on polystyrene foam (styrofoam) food containers
> and disposable plastic service ware in Hawaii. The ban went into
> effect on January 1, 2022, for the City and County of Honolulu and on
> July 1, 2019, for the Counties of Hawaii, Maui, and Kauai."
>
> "There are a few exemptions to the ban, including: Food packaging that
> is used to protect food during transport or delivery."
>
> So when you eat at the food venue, it won't be styrofoam, but when you
> get the food delivered or take it home, it can be styrofoam. If I
> understand correctly.

We were talking about food being in plastic take-out/disposable containers. The photos of food served on disposable containers just upsets the spiteful/angry/petty members of rfc. Why is that? I do not know. If these fools want to believe that we're still using plastic take-out containers, it's their right. As it goes, what rfc knows about Hawaii is pretty much less than zero. That's the breaks.
This is supposed to be a newsgroup focusing on food, not food containers. The chicken or asparagus or mushroom I bought from Times Supermarket all came in non-biodegradable packaging. My guess is that selling meats and produce in biodegradable containers would be a health-hazard.
I don't know what kind of packaging delivery food comes in - unless you're talking about pizza. In that case, it's cardboard. Here's a plate of gizzards as served in Montana. It's certainly shameful that this sort of thing is happening on the mainland. One day, the laws will be changed so that serving gizzards on any kind of plate would be illegal.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/w3tH4XENN5i1ebpw5

Bruce wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
> <cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
>
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >> > > On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > >> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>> Isn't that Japanese?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> >> > Hawaiian. >>
> >> > > Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all
> sorts >> > > of Asian cuisines.
> >> > I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
> >> > would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
> >> > sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> >> > > I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
> >> > > containers, don't you? Heh.
> >> > I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
> >> > containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
> >> > inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
> >> > places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has
> been >> > phased out in most other places.
> >>
> >> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii
> is >> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
> >> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian
> food >> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this
> rock. >> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be
> American, >> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional
> Cuisine.
> >
> > Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA.
> > They are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still.
> > Honolulu alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in
> > takeout.
>
> I asked my special friend:
>
> "According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
> styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
> and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."
>
> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
> due to supply chain issues."

Honolulu tops any city and most states for take out styrofoam. Yes,
'banned' but not enforced on oahu which is why we see so much of it
from David's food pictures.

Bruce wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> >> industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of
> polystyrene >> foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been
> temporarily delayed >> due to supply chain issues."
> >
> > The ban might have been temporarily delayed due to supply chain
> > issues but went into full effect nearly 2 years ago. It's been
> > tough going for us natives. If you want a bag at the grocery store,
> > you have to pay 15 cents for a paper bag. A lot of the
> > biodegradable takeout containers just fall apart after half an
> > hour. Auew - what a mess! Hopefully, in the end, it'll all be worth
> > it. Da Hawaiians OTOH, will prevail. Da Hawaiians will always
> > prevail.
>
> I believe you, of course, but still put it to my special friend:
>
> "Yes, there is a ban on polystyrene foam (styrofoam) food containers
> and disposable plastic service ware in Hawaii. The ban went into
> effect on January 1, 2022, for the City and County of Honolulu and on
> July 1, 2019, for the Counties of Hawaii, Maui, and Kauai."
>
> "There are a few exemptions to the ban, including: Food packaging that
> is used to protect food during transport or delivery."
>
> So when you eat at the food venue, it won't be styrofoam, but when you
> get the food delivered or take it home, it can be styrofoam. If I
> understand correctly.

Exactly. Here, it's almost all metal (aluminium) trays with cardboard
lids or waxed double-layered cardboard.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 6:39:22 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:56:19 +0000, "cshenk"
> > <csh...@virginia-beach.net> wrote:
> >
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 6:18:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> > On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > >> > > On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> > >> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> Isn't that Japanese?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> > >> > Hawaiian. >>
> > >> > > Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all
> > sorts >> > > of Asian cuisines.
> > >> > I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those
> > >> > would be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and
> > >> > sold in Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> > >> > > I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out
> > >> > > containers, don't you? Heh.
> > >> > I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic
> > >> > containers. It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and
> > >> > inhabited by so many indigenous people would be one of the few
> > >> > places left that still has take out food in styrofoam. It has
> > been >> > phased out in most other places.
> > >>
> > >> There are no places serving food in Styrofoam around here. Hawaii
> > is >> one of the few states that has banned that sort of thing. One of
> > >> these days, the rest of the mainland will follow suit. Hawaiian
> > food >> is one of the cuisines that local cooks have to learn on this
> > rock. >> There are several distinct types of cooking. They would be
> > American, >> Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Hawaiian, and Hawaii Regional
> > Cuisine.
> > >
> > > Try again. Oahu styrofoam tops any state in the rest of the USA.
> > > They are still working on it and Oahu has an exemption still.
> > > Honolulu alone dwarfs any other state in the US on styrofoam use in
> > > takeout.
> >
> > I asked my special friend:
> >
> > "According to a recent study, the US state that uses the most
> > styrofoam is California. This is likely due to its large population
> > and its status as a major hub for food service and packaging."
> >
> > "Hawaii uses a lot of styrofoam, especially in the food service
> > industry. In fact, the state of Hawaii banned the use of polystyrene
> > foam food containers in 2019, but the ban has been temporarily delayed
> > due to supply chain issues."
> Honolulu tops any city and most states for take out styrofoam. Yes,
> 'banned' but not enforced on oahu which is why we see so much of it
> from David's food pictures.

That's not true at all. The food joints don't use non-biodegradable plastic containers because the fines are quite substantial. You just think that the containers are Styrofoam but they're not. Are you an expert on bio-degradable materials/containers? I don't think so.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ht3ZuvB41GMr2EB88

https://photos.app.goo.gl/euss7XPVeaUeYFzw9

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:16:08 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 6:39:22 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Honolulu tops any city and most states for take out styrofoam. Yes,
> > 'banned' but not enforced on oahu which is why we see so much of it
> > from David's food pictures.
> That's not true at all. The food joints don't use non-biodegradable plastic containers because the fines are quite substantial. You just think that the containers are Styrofoam but they're not. Are you an expert on bio-degradable materials/containers? I don't think so.
>
Mrs. Shinklehooper is stupid.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ht3ZuvB41GMr2EB88
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/euss7XPVeaUeYFzw9
>
That looks like a piece of pineapple with a rotten place on it.

--Bryan

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT), "bryang...@gmail.com"
<bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:16:08 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 6:39:22 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> > Honolulu tops any city and most states for take out styrofoam. Yes,
>> > 'banned' but not enforced on oahu which is why we see so much of it
>> > from David's food pictures.
>> That's not true at all. The food joints don't use non-biodegradable plastic containers because the fines are quite substantial. You just think that the containers are Styrofoam but they're not. Are you an expert on bio-degradable materials/containers? I don't think so.
>>
>Mrs. Shinklehooper is stupid.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ht3ZuvB41GMr2EB88
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/euss7XPVeaUeYFzw9
>>
>That looks like a piece of pineapple with a rotten place on it.

Huh?

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:48:05 AM UTC-10, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:16:08 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 6:39:22 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > > Honolulu tops any city and most states for take out styrofoam. Yes,
> > > 'banned' but not enforced on oahu which is why we see so much of it
> > > from David's food pictures.
> > That's not true at all. The food joints don't use non-biodegradable plastic containers because the fines are quite substantial. You just think that the containers are Styrofoam but they're not. Are you an expert on bio-degradable materials/containers? I don't think so.
> >
> Mrs. Shinklehooper is stupid.
> >
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ht3ZuvB41GMr2EB88
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/euss7XPVeaUeYFzw9
> >
> That looks like a piece of pineapple with a rotten place on it.
>
> --Bryan

I'd like to see how you'd look after sitting in a car for 3 hours in the hot Hawaiian sun, wiseguy.

On 10/29/2023 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
>>
>>>>> Isn't that Japanese?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
>>>> Hawaiian.
>>>>
>>> Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
>>> of Asian cuisines.
>>
>> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those would
>> be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and sold in
>> Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
>>
>>
>>> I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out containers,
>>> don't you? Heh.
>>
>>
>> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic containers.
>> It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and inhabited by so many
>> indigenous people would be one of the few places left that still has
>> take out food in styrofoam. It has been phased out in most other
>> places.
>
> They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
> styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
> for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
> areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.
>
> Google it or use AI under bing.

Why would anyone bother to Google it or use AI to figure it out?
Everyone is aware David frequently posts pics of food in take-out
styrofoam containers. He's obviously not part of the solution. Perhaps
you should send him a link to some bento boxes for his take-out food. Heh.

Jill

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:49:17 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/29/2023 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >>> On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Isn't that Japanese?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> >>>> Hawaiian.
> >>>>
> >>> Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> >>> of Asian cuisines.
> >>
> >> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those would
> >> be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and sold in
> >> Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out containers,
> >>> don't you? Heh.
> >>
> >>
> >> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic containers.
> >> It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and inhabited by so many
> >> indigenous people would be one of the few places left that still has
> >> take out food in styrofoam. It has been phased out in most other
> >> places.
> >
> > They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
> > styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
> > for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
> > areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.
> >
> > Google it or use AI under bing.
> Why would anyone bother to Google it or use AI to figure it out?
> Everyone is aware David frequently posts pics of food in take-out
> styrofoam containers. He's obviously not part of the solution. Perhaps
> you should send him a link to some bento boxes for his take-out food. Heh..
>
> Jill

We see that the milk of human kindness drips from Jill like the pus from a whore's syphilis chancre...

--
GM

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:49:17 PM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/29/2023 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2023-10-27 10:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >>> On 10/27/2023 9:41 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-10-27 6:35 a.m., Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Isn't that Japanese?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No. It is Hawaiian. David lives in Hawaii, so all his food is
> >>>> Hawaiian.
> >>>>
> >>> Hawaiian food (with the exception of poi) is a blend of all sorts
> >>> of Asian cuisines.
> >>
> >> I imagine there are some dishes that are traditional, so those would
> >> be traditional Hawaiian dishes, but all the food made and sold in
> >> Hawaii would be Hawaiian.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I do love seeing pics of food in styrofoam take-out containers,
> >>> don't you? Heh.
> >>
> >>
> >> I never had much appreciation for food service in plastic containers.
> >> It seems odd that a place of natural beauty and inhabited by so many
> >> indigenous people would be one of the few places left that still has
> >> take out food in styrofoam. It has been phased out in most other
> >> places.
> >
> > They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
> > styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
> > for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
> > areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.
> >
> > Google it or use AI under bing.
> Why would anyone bother to Google it or use AI to figure it out?
> Everyone is aware David frequently posts pics of food in take-out
> styrofoam containers. He's obviously not part of the solution. Perhaps
> you should send him a link to some bento boxes for his take-out food. Heh..
>
> Jill

I post a lot of pictures of food that I cook up myself. You just think it's take out because I know how to use a camera and how to plate food. Any pictures that I post in take out containers taken within the last few years are not styrofoam containers. Yoose knuckleheads can't get it through yoose thick skulls that styrofoam take-out containers are illegal in Hawaii. That's all I'm going to say about your particularly dumb beliefs.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:49:10 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 10/29/2023 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
>> styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
>> for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
>> areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.
>>
>> Google it or use AI under bing.
>
>Why would anyone bother to Google it or use AI to figure it out?
>Everyone is aware David frequently posts pics of food in take-out
>styrofoam containers. He's obviously not part of the solution. Perhaps
>you should send him a link to some bento boxes for his take-out food. Heh.
>
Is it possible that it looks like styrofoam but isn't? There is such a
thing as plant-based plastic.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:11:00 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:49:10 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >On 10/29/2023 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >> They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
> >> styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
> >> for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
> >> areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.
> >>
> >> Google it or use AI under bing.
> >
> >Why would anyone bother to Google it or use AI to figure it out?
> >Everyone is aware David frequently posts pics of food in take-out
> >styrofoam containers. He's obviously not part of the solution. Perhaps
> >you should send him a link to some bento boxes for his take-out food. Heh.
> >
> Is it possible that it looks like styrofoam but isn't? There is such a
> thing as plant-based plastic.

To some people, everything is Styrofoam. Here are some containers made from bagasse. It's horrible stuff. When exposed to water, it turns all limp. It makes take-out an unpleasant experience. OTOH, new packaging materials such as chitin and mycelium based materials are pretty darn exciting.

https://www.amazon.com/Compostable-Containers-3-Compartment-Eco-Friendly-Biodegradable/dp/B07XV8KDKD

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:02:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:11:00 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:49:10 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >On 10/29/2023 5:51 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> They are still working on it. Hawaii tracks as highest abusers of
>> >> styrofoam takeout out in the USA. Here, you only see them if you ask
>> >> for a doggie bag (and non-plastic ones are gaining ground fast). A few
>> >> areas banned it in Hawaii but David lives on Oahu, land of styrofoam.
>> >>
>> >> Google it or use AI under bing.
>> >
>> >Why would anyone bother to Google it or use AI to figure it out?
>> >Everyone is aware David frequently posts pics of food in take-out
>> >styrofoam containers. He's obviously not part of the solution. Perhaps
>> >you should send him a link to some bento boxes for his take-out food. Heh.
>> >
>> Is it possible that it looks like styrofoam but isn't? There is such a
>> thing as plant-based plastic.
>
>To some people, everything is Styrofoam. Here are some containers made from bagasse. It's horrible stuff. When exposed to water, it turns all limp. It makes take-out an unpleasant experience. OTOH, new packaging materials such as chitin and mycelium based materials are pretty darn exciting.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Compostable-Containers-3-Compartment-Eco-Friendly-Biodegradable/dp/B07XV8KDKD
>
Exactly.

In article <48f63df8-8ecf-40dd-84c2-
09e2756822f4n@googlegroups.com>, dsi123@hawaiiantel.

> I post a lot of pictures of food that I cook up myself.
>You just think it's take out because I know how to use a
>camera and how to plate food.

If you serve (and photograph) your food in a
takeaway/disposable/throwaway container you most
certainly don't "know how to plate food".

Just a cheap slob with no style.
Janet UK

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 3:08:54 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article <48f63df8-8ecf-40dd-84c2-
> 09e275...@googlegroups.com>, dsi123@hawaiiantel.
> > I post a lot of pictures of food that I cook up myself.
> >You just think it's take out because I know how to use a
> >camera and how to plate food.
> If you serve (and photograph) your food in a
> takeaway/disposable/throwaway container you most
> certainly don't "know how to plate food".
>
> Just a cheap slob with no style.
>
> Janet UK

I will serve some food on disposable/plastic takeaway containers when I make a meal for my wife to take to work. Lately, I've been serving meals at home on paper plates recently but my wife thinks that a good idea. I might be a cheap slob but I certainly do have some style and ability. I'm not a nasty, bitter, old lady with aspirations/pretensions of class and style. In my world, being rude and nasty means you ain't got no class at all.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nyHfP67FZGENP85U7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PwTgsiRJPmjMousq9

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:08:47 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <48f63df8-8ecf-40dd-84c2-
>09e2756822f4n@googlegroups.com>, dsi123@hawaiiantel.
>
>> I post a lot of pictures of food that I cook up myself.
>>You just think it's take out because I know how to use a
>>camera and how to plate food.
>
> If you serve (and photograph) your food in a
>takeaway/disposable/throwaway container you most
>certainly don't "know how to plate food".
>
> Just a cheap slob with no style.

I'm sure the food's a lot more interesting than your English stuff.