The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
with other brands owned by the chain recently.

http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn

Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
doors are locked? No job?

Meanwhile, The Blooming Onion says it will open new stores in 2024.
Obviously not where the people who just lost their jobs without notice live.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
> with other brands owned by the chain recently.

> http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn

> Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
> they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
> doors are locked? No job?

> Meanwhile, The Blooming Onion says it will open new stores in 2024.
> Obviously not where the people who just lost their jobs without notice live.

> Jill
>
Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.

On 2024-02-29, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
> with other brands owned by the chain recently.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn
>
> Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
> they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
> doors are locked? No job?

Happens all the time, and not just in food service. My husband worked
for a tech startup. One day they called everyone into a meeting and
said "We're closing effective immediately and you've been working for
free for the last two weeks. Sorry about that."

> Meanwhile, The Blooming Onion says it will open new stores in 2024.
> Obviously not where the people who just lost their jobs without notice live.

Of course. They're closing stores that are not profitable and opening
stores where they think they can make money.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:12:22 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-29, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
>> with other brands owned by the chain recently.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn
>>
>> Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
>> they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
>> doors are locked? No job?
>
>Happens all the time, and not just in food service. My husband worked
>for a tech startup. One day they called everyone into a meeting and
>said "We're closing effective immediately and you've been working for
>free for the last two weeks. Sorry about that."

The joys of living in an unbridled capitalist country.

On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
>> with other brands owned by the chain recently.
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn
>
>> Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
>> they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
>> doors are locked? No job?
>
>> Meanwhile, The Blooming Onion says it will open new stores in 2024.
>> Obviously not where the people who just lost their jobs without notice live.
>
>> Jill
>>
> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.

I didn't find it terribly frustrating. It would be nice if the local
one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place. It's across the
street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's becoming
increasingly vegetarian.

In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly. A good Thai
or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
already have one of. Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-02-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:12:22 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-29, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
>>> with other brands owned by the chain recently.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn
>>>
>>> Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
>>> they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
>>> doors are locked? No job?
>>
>>Happens all the time, and not just in food service. My husband worked
>>for a tech startup. One day they called everyone into a meeting and
>>said "We're closing effective immediately and you've been working for
>>free for the last two weeks. Sorry about that."
>
> The joys of living in an unbridled capitalist country.

What happens in a bridled capitalist country when a company goes
belly-up? Does the government step in to cover their bills?

--
Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.

> I didn't find it terribly frustrating. It would be nice if the local
> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place. It's across the
> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's becoming
> increasingly vegetarian.

> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly. A good Thai
> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
> already have one of. Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>
Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets
with your approval.

On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>
>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>
>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>
> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
> your approval.

What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
were given no notice at all. Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.

Jill

On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>
>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating. It would be nice if the local
>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place. It's across the
>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's becoming
>> increasingly vegetarian.
>
>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly. A good Thai
>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>> already have one of. Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>
> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.

And that's exactly what I do.

> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets
> with your approval.

They aren't closing to please me. I don't know if my local Outback
is closing at all. If they're closing, they're closing because they
can't make a go of it here.

I'd much rather see a mom & pop place than another instance of a
soulless chain. The long-term success of the Japanese and Korean
restaurants (and the Japanese grocery) in that strip mall suggest
that a lot of Ann Arborites agree with me.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-02-29 10:14 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>
>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>
>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>
>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
>> your approval.
>
> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>
> Jill
That's pure, unadulterated capitalism for you!

Graham wrote:
....
> That's pure, unadulterated capitalism for you!

unemployment insurance...

songbird

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:40:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:12:22 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
>><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Happens all the time, and not just in food service. My husband worked
>>>for a tech startup. One day they called everyone into a meeting and
>>>said "We're closing effective immediately and you've been working for
>>>free for the last two weeks. Sorry about that."
>>
>> The joys of living in an unbridled capitalist country.
>
>What happens in a bridled capitalist country when a company goes
>belly-up? Does the government step in to cover their bills?

Maybe. Or the union. I've never heard of workers being told they
worked 2 weeks for free.

Years ago, a Canadian company bought a rural Australian chain. A year
later the Canadians closed it down. Workers got a week's notice. Some
of them had worked there all their life. Poor behaviour by the
Canadian mother company, but also by the Australians for allowing this
to happen. Unbridled capitalism.

On 2/29/2024 12:30 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-02-29 10:14 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>>
>>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>>
>>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>>
>>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets
>>> with your approval.
>>
>> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
>> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>>
>> Jill
> That's pure, unadulterated capitalism for you!

Didn't you ever work for someone who was paying you wages?

Jill

Graham wrote:

> On 2024-02-29 10:14 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>>
>>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>>
>>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>>
>>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
>>> your approval.
>>
>> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
>> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>>
>> Jill
> That's pure, unadulterated capitalism for you!

Yup, Graham, and it is the BEST system ever designed by mankind... captalism ENSURES the vast majority of us can access health, wealth, and "easy living" (compared to even the Kings of Old...)...

EVERYTHING man - made about you is the result of "pure, unadulterated capitalism"...

As for those who lost their jobs:

- they will qualify for Unemployment Insurance, SNAP (food stamps), and possibly other FREE government benefits, including jobs re-training...

And a SMART person who is currently employed should always have a "Plan B", in case they very suddenly find themselves unemployed...

Years ago I was let go from several jobs (layoffs due to governemnt funding cuts), and because of my "Plan B", I was able to find jobs in ONE day...

In any case, there are a plethora of food/beverage/service jobs out there, these laid - off people could get a job in a DAY if they so wanted...

Many restos around me and elsewhere in the states have had to cut back their hours, as they simply cannot find ANY help, even when paying $20.00+ (and good bennies) per hour...

VIVA CAPITALISM...!!!

:-P

--
GM

ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:

>> The Blooming Onion Corp shut down a bunch of Outback Steak House along
>> with other brands owned by the chain recently.

>> http://tinyurl.com/53u4psnn

>> Many of the employees said they were not notified of the restaurants
>> they worked in were closing. That sucks. Show up for work and the
>> doors are locked? No job?

>> Meanwhile, The Blooming Onion says it will open new stores in 2024.
>> Obviously not where the people who just lost their jobs without notice live.

>> Jill
>>
> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.

Years ago I ate at an Outback, was not impressed...

It's the same 0ld - same old mediocre chain resto stuff... everything is extremely processed and so tastes the same... and this is true from McDonalds all the way up the Cheesecake Factory...

Basically, it's La Sizzler with a (phony) "Down Under" marketing gimmick...

--
GM

On 2/29/2024 12:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>
>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>
>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>
>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
>> your approval.
>
> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>
> Jill

Would be good if they got severance of some sort.

If they gave them notice, would that be good for the customer? Would
the food and service still be good?

On 2024-02-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:40:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-29, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:12:22 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
>>><hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Happens all the time, and not just in food service. My husband worked
>>>>for a tech startup. One day they called everyone into a meeting and
>>>>said "We're closing effective immediately and you've been working for
>>>>free for the last two weeks. Sorry about that."
>>>
>>> The joys of living in an unbridled capitalist country.
>>
>>What happens in a bridled capitalist country when a company goes
>>belly-up? Does the government step in to cover their bills?
>
> Maybe. Or the union. I've never heard of workers being told they
> worked 2 weeks for free.

Engineers aren't paid at the end of every week the way waitresses
are. Heh, if they were, they might have worked only one week for
free.

As I recall, the management was hoping they'd get in a a big order
they were expecting and would be able to borrow against accounts
receivable to make the next payroll. The order fell through, and
they were tapped out. What else could they do? It was shitty,
and I knew the CEO personally. He was a nice guy in over his head.

Their CFO, though, was a piece of work. My husband had to tell
him "Put the money back into the retirement fund or I'm calling
the FBI."

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-02-29, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
> On 2/29/2024 12:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>>
>>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>>
>>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>>
>>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
>>> your approval.
>>
>> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
>> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Would be good if they got severance of some sort.

Good grief, Ed. They're food service workers. They might not even
have had any kind of benefits or paid vacation or sick time. The
manager probably got some kind of severance package, and he probably
knew in advance.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2/29/2024 4:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-02-29, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>> On 2/29/2024 12:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>>>
>>>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>>>
>>>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>>>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>>>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
>>>> your approval.
>>>
>>> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
>>> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Would be good if they got severance of some sort.
>
> Good grief, Ed. They're food service workers. They might not even
> have had any kind of benefits or paid vacation or sick time. The
> manager probably got some kind of severance package, and he probably
> knew in advance.
>
These days? Not likely. In the olden days when I worked as a server at
Red Lobster the company was owned by General Mills. Everyone got
company-paid life and health insurance and vacation/sick time. Back
then it could be a career track, if one was so inclined. I worked with
a line cook who later went through their management training program and
wound up being the general manager of his own store. Times have
changed. Service workers are deemed expendable.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
....
> wound up being the general manager of his own store. Times have
> changed. Service workers are deemed expendable.

not many people treat it as a career anyways just
like stocking supermarket shelves... you do it as
long as you have to and find something better just
like i only worked for the family business as a
grunt worker until i could get away to college.

songbird

On 2/29/2024 6:30 PM, songbird wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> ...
>> wound up being the general manager of his own store. Times have
>> changed. Service workers are deemed expendable.
>
> not many people treat it as a career anyways just
> like stocking supermarket shelves... you do it as
> long as you have to and find something better just
> like i only worked for the family business as a
> grunt worker until i could get away to college.
>
>
> songbird

Back then lots of people treated it as a career path. Restaurant
managers don't suddenly spring up out of nowhere. The ones I knew
started as grunt workers and moved up. Or moved on. Many of them were
also going to college at the time they were also doing the grunt work.

Jill

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, jmcquown wrote:

> On 2/29/2024 4:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-02-29, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>> On 2/29/2024 12:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 2/29/2024 11:52 AM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-29, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I read that yesterday, but frustratingly, they gave no locations,
>>>>>>> just a notice of *some* restaurants will be closing.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't find it terribly frustrating.  It would be nice if the local
>>>>>> one closed and a _good_ restaurant took its place.  It's across the
>>>>>> street from another chain steakhouse just outside a town that's
>>>>>> becoming increasingly vegetarian.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In the same strip mall as Outback are a Korean restaurant and a
>>>>>> Japanese restaurant at which we dine regularly.  A good Thai
>>>>>> or another Ethiopian place would be welcome, or something we don't
>>>>>> already have one of.  Afghan, Indonesian, Moroccan.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thus, you have a choice to eat at another place as everyone else does.
>>>>> Just because you don't like the food or atmosphere doesn't mean they
>>>>> should close to please you and open another restaurant that meets with
>>>>> your approval.
>>>>
>>>> What I find problematic is the people who worked in these restaurants
>>>> were given no notice at all.  Meanwhile, they still have bills to pay.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Would be good if they got severance of some sort.
>>
>> Good grief, Ed. They're food service workers. They might not even
>> have had any kind of benefits or paid vacation or sick time. The
>> manager probably got some kind of severance package, and he probably
>> knew in advance.
>>
> These days? Not likely. In the olden days when I worked as a server at Red
> Lobster the company was owned by General Mills. Everyone got company-paid
> life and health insurance and vacation/sick time. Back then it could be a
> career track, if one was so inclined. I worked with a line cook who later
> went through their management training program and wound up being the general
> manager of his own store. Times have changed. Service workers are deemed
> expendable.

Sounds very nostalgic! Are there larger chains today in the US working
like that?

I work in global IT and I always felt, apart from my first job at a
storage company based out of Boston, that it was a war of all against all.

No loyalty from the company with employees and not with the employees for
the company. Take what you can and change jobs before the next sweep of
the floor.

Ideally, the technique was to time your job change _with_ the sweep of the
floor, so you could get a nice 3-6 month package to see you off to your
new job.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:43:17 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> These days? Not likely. In the olden days when I worked as a server at Red
>> Lobster the company was owned by General Mills. Everyone got company-paid
>> life and health insurance and vacation/sick time. Back then it could be a
>> career track, if one was so inclined. I worked with a line cook who later
>> went through their management training program and wound up being the general
>> manager of his own store. Times have changed. Service workers are deemed
>> expendable.
>
>Sounds very nostalgic! Are there larger chains today in the US working
>like that?
>
>I work in global IT and I always felt, apart from my first job at a
>storage company based out of Boston, that it was a war of all against all.
>
>No loyalty from the company with employees and not with the employees for
>the company. Take what you can and change jobs before the next sweep of
>the floor.
>
>Ideally, the technique was to time your job change _with_ the sweep of the
>floor, so you could get a nice 3-6 month package to see you off to your
>new job.

Yup, that's unbridled capitalism for you: a very cold and nasty
system. You probably love it.