On 3/19/2024 10:10 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:> Today, while perusing a new
grocery store ad, I noticed that wines that
> used to be sold in 1.75 liter bottles are now in 1.5 liter bottles.
>
> Thinking about wine got me thinking about wine spritzers, and it
> occurred to me that they could be made with a very dry wine, and
> sweetened with simple syrup made with allulose for a keto friendly
> beverage. Four ounces 13.5% sauv blanc + 1 ounce keto simple syrup + 7
> ounces sparkling water = a 12 ounce beverage that is 4.5% alcohol, which
> is about the ABV of light beer, with less than half the digestible carbs.
>

Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.

https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/

On 2024-03-19 11:31 a.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 3/19/2024 10:10 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:> Today, while perusing a new
> grocery store ad, I noticed that wines that
> > used to be sold in 1.75 liter bottles are now in 1.5 liter bottles.
> >
> > Thinking about wine got me thinking about wine spritzers, and it
> > occurred to me that they could be made with a very dry wine, and
> > sweetened with simple syrup made with allulose for a keto friendly
> > beverage.  Four ounces 13.5% sauv blanc + 1 ounce keto simple syrup + 7
> > ounces sparkling water = a 12 ounce beverage that is 4.5% alcohol, which
> > is about the ABV of light beer, with less than half the digestible
> carbs.
> >
>
> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>
> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>
Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.

On 2024-03-19 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-19 11:31 a.m., Ed P wrote:

>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>>
>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>
> Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.
>

I was looking at brandies on the LCBO site and was surprised to see
shrinkflation in 200 500 and 700 ml bottles.
The worst is Remy Martin Louis XIII $4,295.05 for a 700 ml.

https://www.lcbo.com/en/products/spirits/cognac-brandy?utm_medium=search_paid&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=20220720_brandy_intent_pm_ao~spirits_en&utm_content=kw_buy_brandy&gad_source=1&gclid=CKDViqWSgYUDFfGqxQIdTmkG5Q#t=clp-products-spirits-cognac_%26_brandy&sort=relevancy&layout=card

On 2024-03-19 2:22 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-19 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2024-03-19 11:31 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>
>>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>>>
>>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>>
>> Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.
>>
>
>
> I was looking at brandies on the LCBO site and was surprised to see
> shrinkflation in  200 500 and 700 ml bottles.
> The worst is Remy Martin Louis XIII $4,295.05 for a 700 ml.
>
There's a well-known cyder in the UK that is made in a hamlet next to my
home village.
I asked about it being imported to Canada, specifically Alberta, but
regulations prevent it as it comes in 500ml bottles.

On 3/19/2024 1:31 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 3/19/2024 10:10 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:> Today, while perusing a new
> grocery store ad, I noticed that wines that
> > used to be sold in 1.75 liter bottles are now in 1.5 liter bottles.
> >
> > Thinking about wine got me thinking about wine spritzers, and it
> > occurred to me that they could be made with a very dry wine, and
> > sweetened with simple syrup made with allulose for a keto friendly
> > beverage.  Four ounces 13.5% sauv blanc + 1 ounce keto simple syrup + 7
> > ounces sparkling water = a 12 ounce beverage that is 4.5% alcohol, which
> > is about the ABV of light beer, with less than half the digestible
> carbs.
> >
>
> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>
> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>

Wine *spritzers* are not traditionally made with sweet liquid added.
More like club soda.

Jill

Ed P wrote:
>
> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>
Why are these sizes named after divided kingdom Israelite and
Babylonia kings?

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:11:58 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-19 2:22 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-19 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-19 11:31 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>>
>>>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>>>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>>>
>>> Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was looking at brandies on the LCBO site and was surprised to see
>> shrinkflation in  200 500 and 700 ml bottles.
>> The worst is Remy Martin Louis XIII $4,295.05 for a 700 ml.
>>
>There's a well-known cyder in the UK that is made in a hamlet next to my
>home village.
>I asked about it being imported to Canada, specifically Alberta, but
>regulations prevent it as it comes in 500ml bottles.

Graham we have wonderful ciders in NS! If you can get it, try No
Boats on Sunday, I love it.

ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
>>
>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>
> Why are these sizes named after divided kingdom Israelite and
> Babylonia kings?

you'll get more for a bottle with a fancy name
invoking royalty other than bucketload (in other
words marketing...).

songbird

Graham wrote:
....
> Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.

you sure of that? perhaps the Romans had diffent
sized amphora...

songbird (surprised i spelled it right the first time
i've used it in eons...

On 2024-03-19 6:26 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:11:58 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-19 2:22 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-19 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-19 11:31 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>>>>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>>>>
>>>> Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was looking at brandies on the LCBO site and was surprised to see
>>> shrinkflation in  200 500 and 700 ml bottles.
>>> The worst is Remy Martin Louis XIII $4,295.05 for a 700 ml.
>>>
>> There's a well-known cyder in the UK that is made in a hamlet next to my
>> home village.
>> I asked about it being imported to Canada, specifically Alberta, but
>> regulations prevent it as it comes in 500ml bottles.
>
> Graham we have wonderful ciders in NS! If you can get it, try No
> Boats on Sunday, I love it.

This cyder (note spelling) was made by a family that came from the
Channel Islands in 1728. They planted
traditional Normandy apple varieties. When I was a teen, I used to
go there with a friend and buy cyder for 1s8d per quart.
The son of the family started to develop and expand the business
when he retired from the Royal Navy (a Lt. on the Royal Yacht).
It has been really successful and their various cyders are widely
available in the UK. They recently sold the company to Molson Coors.

On 3/19/2024 5:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/19/2024 1:31 PM, Ed P wrote:
>> On 3/19/2024 10:10 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:> Today, while perusing a
>> new grocery store ad, I noticed that wines that
>>  > used to be sold in 1.75 liter bottles are now in 1.5 liter bottles.
>>  >
>>  > Thinking about wine got me thinking about wine spritzers, and it
>>  > occurred to me that they could be made with a very dry wine, and
>>  > sweetened with simple syrup made with allulose for a keto friendly
>>  > beverage.  Four ounces 13.5% sauv blanc + 1 ounce keto simple syrup
>> + 7
>>  > ounces sparkling water = a 12 ounce beverage that is 4.5% alcohol,
>> which
>>  > is about the ABV of light beer, with less than half the digestible
>> carbs.
>>  >
>>
>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>
You don't drink the kind of wine that's sold in big bottles, or you
wouldn't have posted that.
>>
>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>
>
> Wine *spritzers* are not traditionally made with sweet liquid added.
> More like club soda.
>
They've also not been made with super dry wine, and the best ones are
made with semi-dry wines, or even sweet wines.
>
> Jill

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 20:29:01 -0500, BryanGSimmons
<bryangsimmons@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/19/2024 5:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/19/2024 1:31 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>> On 3/19/2024 10:10 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:> Today, while perusing a
>>> new grocery store ad, I noticed that wines that
>>>  > used to be sold in 1.75 liter bottles are now in 1.5 liter bottles.
>>>  >
>>>  > Thinking about wine got me thinking about wine spritzers, and it
>>>  > occurred to me that they could be made with a very dry wine, and
>>>  > sweetened with simple syrup made with allulose for a keto friendly
>>>  > beverage.  Four ounces 13.5% sauv blanc + 1 ounce keto simple syrup
>>> + 7
>>>  > ounces sparkling water = a 12 ounce beverage that is 4.5% alcohol,
>>> which
>>>  > is about the ABV of light beer, with less than half the digestible
>>> carbs.
>>>  >
>>>
>>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
> >
>You don't drink the kind of wine that's sold in big bottles, or you
>wouldn't have posted that.

What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.

songbird wrote:

> ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
>>
>> Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>>
>> Why are these sizes named after divided kingdom Israelite and
>> Babylonia kings?

> you'll get more for a bottle with a fancy name
> invoking royalty other than bucketload (in other
> words marketing...).

> songbird

Well, that's as good an answer as any!

Bruce wrote:
....
> What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.

nobody has gotten into the sizes of boxwines yet...

songbird

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 00:26:32 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>...
>> What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.
>
> nobody has gotten into the sizes of boxwines yet...

I bought a white boxwine a few years ago. It was 3 liters and I like
my wine, but I didn't finish it before it went off (in the fridge). I
buy cheap, but quaffable bottles.

On 3/20/2024 12:26 AM, songbird wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> ...
>> What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.
>
> nobody has gotten into the sizes of boxwines yet...
>
>
> songbird

Most are three liters. Some are decent wine too. I've bought Bota Box
and Black Box with good results. Keeps for a decent amount of time too.
It is not as good as a $45 bottle but my taste buds don't appreciate
very expensive wines. I stop at about $15

I used to have a box in the fridge at work and a couple of days a week
we'd have a glass with lunch.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 00:42:17 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/20/2024 12:26 AM, songbird wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>> ...
>>> What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.
>>
>> nobody has gotten into the sizes of boxwines yet...
>>
>>
>> songbird
>
>
>Most are three liters. Some are decent wine too. I've bought Bota Box
>and Black Box with good results. Keeps for a decent amount of time too.
>It is not as good as a $45 bottle but my taste buds don't appreciate
>very expensive wines. I stop at about $15
>
>I used to have a box in the fridge at work and a couple of days a week
>we'd have a glass with lunch.

I bought a nicer than normal French red (A$15) the other day and I
liked it just as much as my every day Australian plonk ($A6). I must
be a cheap date.

On 2024-03-20, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> This cyder (note spelling)

That spelling is not universal. However, I suspect you're indicating
this:

Cyder is made from a single pressing of vintage fruit, rather like
“extra virgin” olive oil. Cider, the drink almost given to agricultural
labourers well into living memory, was made from the cyder pulp being
re-pressed at the rate of 10 gallons of water to 1 cwt of pulp.
http://www.minchews.co.uk/cyder.htm

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:01:40 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-19 6:26 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:11:58 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-19 2:22 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-19 1:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-19 11:31 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Wine had always been 1.5, a magnum.
>>>>>> Liquor comes in 1.75, a handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.wineware.co.uk/blog/wine-bottle-sizes-guide_5967/
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes! Wine has always been sold in multiples of 750ml.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at brandies on the LCBO site and was surprised to see
>>>> shrinkflation in  200 500 and 700 ml bottles.
>>>> The worst is Remy Martin Louis XIII $4,295.05 for a 700 ml.
>>>>
>>> There's a well-known cyder in the UK that is made in a hamlet next to my
>>> home village.
>>> I asked about it being imported to Canada, specifically Alberta, but
>>> regulations prevent it as it comes in 500ml bottles.
>>
>> Graham we have wonderful ciders in NS! If you can get it, try No
>> Boats on Sunday, I love it.
>
>This cyder (note spelling) was made by a family that came from the
>Channel Islands in 1728. They planted
>traditional Normandy apple varieties. When I was a teen, I used to
>go there with a friend and buy cyder for 1s8d per quart.
>The son of the family started to develop and expand the business
>when he retired from the Royal Navy (a Lt. on the Royal Yacht).
>It has been really successful and their various cyders are widely
>available in the UK. They recently sold the company to Molson Coors.

We were surprised when we first came here there was only apple juice
(which tasted foul) and all the orchards in the valley didn't make
cider (NA spelling lol) It has totally changed now - many competing
brands.

On 2024-03-20 12:26 a.m., songbird wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> ...
>> What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.
>
> nobody has gotten into the sizes of boxwines yet...
>
>

Around here some are 3L and some are 4L. They are a pretty good deal for
mediocre everyday wines. I have had some that were crappy but I did find
a couple good whites. It's handy to be able to pour yourself a glass of
wine and leave the rest without having to worry about it turning.

On 2024-03-20 12:42 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Most are three liters.  Some are decent wine too.  I've bought Bota Box
> and Black Box with good results.  Keeps for a decent amount of time too.
> It is not as good as a $45 bottle but my taste buds don't appreciate
> very expensive wines. I stop at about $15

I have been getting a local Chardonnay that comes in a 4L box. It costs
about the same as three 750ml bottles.

>
> I used to have a box in the fridge at work and a couple of days a week
> we'd have a glass with lunch.

That would have been a definite no no for me.
Alcohol is funny stuff. If I have a beer with my lunch I am likely to
fall asleep in the afternoon. If I have a beer at night it is likely to
keep me awake.

On 2024-03-20 6:51 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:01:40 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>

>> This cyder (note spelling) was made by a family that came from the
>> Channel Islands in 1728. They planted
>> traditional Normandy apple varieties. When I was a teen, I used to
>> go there with a friend and buy cyder for 1s8d per quart.
>> The son of the family started to develop and expand the business
>> when he retired from the Royal Navy (a Lt. on the Royal Yacht).
>> It has been really successful and their various cyders are widely
>> available in the UK. They recently sold the company to Molson Coors.
>
> We were surprised when we first came here there was only apple juice
> (which tasted foul) and all the orchards in the valley didn't make
> cider (NA spelling lol) It has totally changed now - many competing
> brands.

There have been a few cider production facilities opening up around
here. I am seeing more and more cider available at the liquor store.
Maybe I should give it a try some day.

On 2024-03-20 3:57 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-20, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> This cyder (note spelling)
>
> That spelling is not universal. However, I suspect you're indicating
> this:
>
> Cyder is made from a single pressing of vintage fruit, rather like
> “extra virgin” olive oil. Cider, the drink almost given to agricultural
> labourers well into living memory, was made from the cyder pulp being
> re-pressed at the rate of 10 gallons of water to 1 cwt of pulp.
> http://www.minchews.co.uk/cyder.htm
>
Aspall always spelled it this way and I suspect that it was their 18C
spelling.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 07:51:30 -0300, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:01:40 -0600, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-03-19 6:26 p.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>> Graham we have wonderful ciders in NS! If you can get it, try No
>>> Boats on Sunday, I love it.
>>
>>This cyder (note spelling) was made by a family that came from the
>>Channel Islands in 1728. They planted
>>traditional Normandy apple varieties. When I was a teen, I used to
>>go there with a friend and buy cyder for 1s8d per quart.
>>The son of the family started to develop and expand the business
>>when he retired from the Royal Navy (a Lt. on the Royal Yacht).
>>It has been really successful and their various cyders are widely
>>available in the UK. They recently sold the company to Molson Coors.
>
>We were surprised when we first came here there was only apple juice
>(which tasted foul) and all the orchards in the valley didn't make
>cider (NA spelling lol) It has totally changed now - many competing
>brands.

Maybe it's the same situation as in Tasmania, "the Apple Isle". It's
impossible to compete with cheap labour countries just for apples, so
either you stop with apples altogether or you do something fancy with
them, like make cider or switch to trendy types.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 08:51:21 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-20 12:26 a.m., songbird wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>> ...
>>> What kind of guy drinks wine spritzers? Only a huge wimp.
>>
>> nobody has gotten into the sizes of boxwines yet...
>>
>>
>
>Around here some are 3L and some are 4L. They are a pretty good deal for
>mediocre everyday wines. I have had some that were crappy but I did find
>a couple good whites. It's handy to be able to pour yourself a glass of
>wine and leave the rest without having to worry about it turning.

Maybe you can't tell when it has turned.