Netherlands fact of the day"

"The country, which is a bit bigger than Maryland... has become the world’s second largest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United States... Dutch farms use only a half-gallon of water to grow about a pound of tomatoes, while the global average is more than 28 gallons..."

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/netherlands-fact-of-the-day-3.html

Netherlands fact of the day

by Tyler Cowen March 25, 2024 at 2:09 pm in Data Source Food and Drink

T"he country, which is a bit bigger than Maryland, not only accomplished this feat but also has become the world’s second largest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United States. Perhaps even more significant in the face of a warming planet: It is among the largest exporters of agricultural and food technology. The Dutch have pioneered cell-cultured meat, vertical farming, seed technology and robotics in milking and harvesting — spearheading innovations that focus on decreased water usage as well as reduced carbon and methane emissions…

The country has nearly 24,000 acres — almost twice the size of Manhattan — of crops growing in greenhouses. These greenhouses, with less fertilizer and water, can grow in a single acre what would take 10 acres of traditional dirt farming to achieve. Dutch farms use only a half-gallon of water to grow about a pound of tomatoes, while the global average is more than 28 gallons..."

Full article here from Washington Post (paywalled):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/netherlands-agriculture-technology/

ALSO (not paywalled):

Nitrogen wars: the Dutch farmers’ revolt that turned a nation upside-down

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/16/nitrogen-wars-the-dutch-farmers-revolt-that-turned-a-nation-upside-down

"In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to crack down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a warning to other countries about protecting the environment without losing public trust..."

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> Netherlands fact of the day"
>
> "The country, which is a bit bigger than Maryland... has become the world’s
> second largest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United
> States... Dutch farms use only a half-gallon of water to grow about a pound
> of tomatoes, while the global average is more than 28 gallons..."
>
> https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/netherlands-fact-of-the-day-3.html
>
> Netherlands fact of the day
>
> by Tyler Cowen March 25, 2024 at 2:09 pm in Data Source Food and Drink
>
> T"he country, which is a bit bigger than Maryland, not only accomplished this
> feat but also has become the world’s second largest exporter of agricultural
> products by value behind the United States. Perhaps even more significant in
> the face of a warming planet: It is among the largest exporters of
> agricultural and food technology. The Dutch have pioneered cell-cultured
> meat, vertical farming, seed technology and robotics in milking and
> harvesting — spearheading innovations that focus on decreased water usage as
> well as reduced carbon and methane emissions…
>
> The country has nearly 24,000 acres — almost twice the size of Manhattan — of
> crops growing in greenhouses. These greenhouses, with less fertilizer and
> water, can grow in a single acre what would take 10 acres of traditional dirt
> farming to achieve. Dutch farms use only a half-gallon of water to grow about
> a pound of tomatoes, while the global average is more than 28 gallons..."
>
>
> Full article here from Washington Post (paywalled):
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/netherlands-agriculture-technology/
>
>
> ALSO (not paywalled):
>
> Nitrogen wars: the Dutch farmers’ revolt that turned a nation upside-down
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/16/nitrogen-wars-the-dutch-farmers-revolt-that-turned-a-nation-upside-down
>
> "In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to crack
> down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a warning to
> other countries about protecting the environment without losing public
> trust..."
>

Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming that
produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this, the
right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.

On 2024-03-26 5:15 a.m., D wrote:
>

>> "In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to
>> crack down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a
>> warning to other countries about protecting the environment without
>> losing public trust..."
>>
>
> Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming
> that produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this,
> the right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.

We have had a lot of immigration of Dutch farmers to this area. One of
the major reasons for them leaving the Netherlands is the massive
regulations they face there.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-03-26 5:15 a.m., D wrote:
>>
>
>>> "In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to
>>> crack down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a
>>> warning to other countries about protecting the environment without losing
>>> public trust..."
>>>
>>
>> Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming that
>> produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this, the
>> right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.
>
> We have had a lot of immigration of Dutch farmers to this area. One of the
> major reasons for them leaving the Netherlands is the massive regulations
> they face there.

Sounds about right. And there's no sign of decreasing regulations. But its
not only farming. The EU just approved new "AI-regulations" to ensure yet
another area where the EU will be left in the dust by other nations. Too
bad for the young european, but at least they can all move to the US when
they decide to start companies in cutting edge science fields.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:29:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-26 5:15 a.m., D wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> "In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to
>>>> crack down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a
>>>> warning to other countries about protecting the environment without losing
>>>> public trust..."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming that
>>> produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this, the
>>> right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.
>>
>> We have had a lot of immigration of Dutch farmers to this area. One of the
>> major reasons for them leaving the Netherlands is the massive regulations
>> they face there.
>
>Sounds about right. And there's no sign of decreasing regulations. But its
>not only farming. The EU just approved new "AI-regulations" to ensure yet
>another area where the EU will be left in the dust by other nations. Too
>bad for the young european, but at least they can all move to the US when
>they decide to start companies in cutting edge science fields.

Sounds a lot like "many people"..Where is "this area" and what is
"a lot"?

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 09:41:09 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-26 5:15 a.m., D wrote:
>
>>> "In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to
>>> crack down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a
>>> warning to other countries about protecting the environment without
>>> losing public trust..."
>>
>> Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming
>> that produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this,
>> the right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.
>
>We have had a lot of immigration of Dutch farmers to this area. One of
>the major reasons for them leaving the Netherlands is the massive
>regulations they face there.

The Netherlands is the 133rd largest country in the world by total
area, but it's the world's fifth-largest dairy exporter. The country
has way too much agriculture for its size.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:15:08 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>
>> Netherlands fact of the day"
>>
>> "The country, which is a bit bigger than Maryland... has become the world’s
>> second largest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United
>> States... Dutch farms use only a half-gallon of water to grow about a pound
>> of tomatoes, while the global average is more than 28 gallons..."
>>
>> https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/netherlands-fact-of-the-day-3.html
>>
[...]
>>
>
>Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming that
>produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this, the
>right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.

While I am certain that you must be an acute and well informed
observer of EU and Dutch politics, it looks to me like you missed the
point. The Dutch farmers apparently do not concentrate on the volume
of food they produce but rather on the the return/price they get for
what they produce for export. That is without considering that their
best returns may not even be food crops. Live plants, flowers, seeds,
and similar could be the inccome drivers. Not sure who supplies all
the vegetation for the brown shops, but then that is not exported.

On 3/26/2024 3:23 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 09:41:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-26 5:15 a.m., D wrote:
>>
>>>> "In 2019, a looming crisis over pollution led the Dutch government to
>>>> crack down on farm emissions. The response was furious – and offers a
>>>> warning to other countries about protecting the environment without
>>>> losing public trust..."
>>>
>>> Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming
>>> that produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this,
>>> the right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.
>>
>> We have had a lot of immigration of Dutch farmers to this area. One of
>> the major reasons for them leaving the Netherlands is the massive
>> regulations they face there.
>
> The Netherlands is the 133rd largest country in the world by total
> area, but it's the world's fifth-largest dairy exporter. The country
> has way too much agriculture for its size.

Does seem to be out of balance with others. Should they close down the
agriculture land and build steel mills?

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:01:00 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/26/2024 3:23 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 09:41:09 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> We have had a lot of immigration of Dutch farmers to this area. One of
>>> the major reasons for them leaving the Netherlands is the massive
>>> regulations they face there.
>>
>> The Netherlands is the 133rd largest country in the world by total
>> area, but it's the world's fifth-largest dairy exporter. The country
>> has way too much agriculture for its size.
>
>Does seem to be out of balance with others. Should they close down the
>agriculture land and build steel mills?

Steel mills? The current government has been trying to reduce the
number of farmers, so they're all up in arms and voting for pro-farmer
parties that don't care about the environment. The reduction of the
number of farmers should have started decades ago and should have been
a gradual, much less painful process. But politicians don't think
further ahead than the next election.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, B. Server wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:15:08 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, GM wrote:
>>
>>> Netherlands fact of the day"
>>>
>>> "The country, which is a bit bigger than Maryland... has become the world’s
>>> second largest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United
>>> States... Dutch farms use only a half-gallon of water to grow about a pound
>>> of tomatoes, while the global average is more than 28 gallons..."
>>>
>>> https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/netherlands-fact-of-the-day-3.html
>>>
> [...]
>>>
>>
>> Not for long. The EU is working hard to shut down any type of farming that
>> produces meaningful amount of food. I'm convinced that due to this, the
>> right+nationalists will win in this junes EU-election.
>
> While I am certain that you must be an acute and well informed
> observer of EU and Dutch politics, it looks to me like you missed the
> point. The Dutch farmers apparently do not concentrate on the volume
> of food they produce but rather on the the return/price they get for
> what they produce for export. That is without considering that their
> best returns may not even be food crops. Live plants, flowers, seeds,
> and similar could be the inccome drivers. Not sure who supplies all
> the vegetation for the brown shops, but then that is not exported.

Well, first of all, I was talking EU in general, second of all, there have
been massive protests in the netherlands since farmers feel they cannot
make a living giving the eco-fascist rules. Plenty of protests along the
same general lines in many other countries as well.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:04:00 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, B. Server wrote:
>
>> While I am certain that you must be an acute and well informed
>> observer of EU and Dutch politics, it looks to me like you missed the
>> point. The Dutch farmers apparently do not concentrate on the volume
>> of food they produce but rather on the the return/price they get for
>> what they produce for export. That is without considering that their
>> best returns may not even be food crops. Live plants, flowers, seeds,
>> and similar could be the inccome drivers. Not sure who supplies all
>> the vegetation for the brown shops, but then that is not exported.
>
>Well, first of all, I was talking EU in general, second of all, there have
>been massive protests in the netherlands since farmers feel they cannot
>make a living giving the eco-fascist rules. Plenty of protests along the
>same general lines in many other countries as well.

In which country do you live?

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:04:00 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, B. Server wrote:
>>
>>> While I am certain that you must be an acute and well informed
>>> observer of EU and Dutch politics, it looks to me like you missed the
>>> point. The Dutch farmers apparently do not concentrate on the volume
>>> of food they produce but rather on the the return/price they get for
>>> what they produce for export. That is without considering that their
>>> best returns may not even be food crops. Live plants, flowers, seeds,
>>> and similar could be the inccome drivers. Not sure who supplies all
>>> the vegetation for the brown shops, but then that is not exported.
>>
>> Well, first of all, I was talking EU in general, second of all, there have
>> been massive protests in the netherlands since farmers feel they cannot
>> make a living giving the eco-fascist rules. Plenty of protests along the
>> same general lines in many other countries as well.
>
> In which country do you live?
>

It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:04:00 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, B. Server wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I am certain that you must be an acute and well informed
>>>> observer of EU and Dutch politics, it looks to me like you missed the
>>>> point. The Dutch farmers apparently do not concentrate on the volume
>>>> of food they produce but rather on the the return/price they get for
>>>> what they produce for export. That is without considering that their
>>>> best returns may not even be food crops. Live plants, flowers, seeds,
>>>> and similar could be the inccome drivers. Not sure who supplies all
>>>> the vegetation for the brown shops, but then that is not exported.
>>>
>>> Well, first of all, I was talking EU in general, second of all, there have
>>> been massive protests in the netherlands since farmers feel they cannot
>>> make a living giving the eco-fascist rules. Plenty of protests along the
>>> same general lines in many other countries as well.
>>
>> In which country do you live?
>>
>
>It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.

You don't want to say in which country you live?

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:04:00 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, B. Server wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While I am certain that you must be an acute and well informed
>>>>> observer of EU and Dutch politics, it looks to me like you missed the
>>>>> point. The Dutch farmers apparently do not concentrate on the volume
>>>>> of food they produce but rather on the the return/price they get for
>>>>> what they produce for export. That is without considering that their
>>>>> best returns may not even be food crops. Live plants, flowers, seeds,
>>>>> and similar could be the inccome drivers. Not sure who supplies all
>>>>> the vegetation for the brown shops, but then that is not exported.
>>>>
>>>> Well, first of all, I was talking EU in general, second of all, there have
>>>> been massive protests in the netherlands since farmers feel they cannot
>>>> make a living giving the eco-fascist rules. Plenty of protests along the
>>>> same general lines in many other countries as well.
>>>
>>> In which country do you live?
>>>
>>
>> It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.
>
> You don't want to say in which country you live?
>

No... I'm a privacy nut.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:52:01 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>> In which country do you live?
>>>
>>> It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.
>>
>> You don't want to say in which country you live?
>>
>
>No... I'm a privacy nut.

Yeah, because once we know you're Daniel from Bulgaria, we'll know
exactly who you are! Right. This explains your political ideas: you're
a mental patient.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:52:01 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In which country do you live?
>>>>
>>>> It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.
>>>
>>> You don't want to say in which country you live?
>>>
>>
>> No... I'm a privacy nut.
>
> Yeah, because once we know you're Daniel from Bulgaria, we'll know
> exactly who you are! Right. This explains your political ideas: you're
> a mental patient.
>

No Bruce, please try again. =)

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:09:48 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:52:01 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In which country do you live?
>>>>>
>>>>> It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.
>>>>
>>>> You don't want to say in which country you live?
>>>
>>> No... I'm a privacy nut.
>>
>> Yeah, because once we know you're Daniel from Bulgaria, we'll know
>> exactly who you are! Right. This explains your political ideas: you're
>> a mental patient.
>
>No Bruce, please try again. =)

Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.

In article <uu22bd$32qn6$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...

>
> Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.

and a recently-departed but equally obvious constructed-
persona with the same initial and inflated ego.

D is busily trying to establish a new back-ground/fake
socio-cultural authority. With equally little success.

Janet UK

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:09:48 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 18:52:01 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:50:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In which country do you live?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It used to be sweden, now it is eastern europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't want to say in which country you live?
>>>>
>>>> No... I'm a privacy nut.
>>>
>>> Yeah, because once we know you're Daniel from Bulgaria, we'll know
>>> exactly who you are! Right. This explains your political ideas: you're
>>> a mental patient.
>>
>> No Bruce, please try again. =)
>
> Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.

Please Bruce, just do me the favour. ;)

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 09:44:23 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <uu22bd$32qn6$1@dont-email.me>,
>Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>
>> Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.
>
> and a recently-departed but equally obvious constructed-
>persona with the same initial and inflated ego.

Who died? Donald? Or do you mean dsi1 left RFC?

>D is busily trying to establish a new back-ground/fake
>socio-cultural authority. With equally little success.

If you can't tell us in which country you live, there's something
shifty going on.

D wrote:

> No... I'm a privacy nut.

Don't be bothered by the nonsensical trolling of the likes of "Miss Brucie" and "WITCH Janet UK"...

I know by your syntax that you are *indeed* who you say you are - and I've been here for about 25 years, I can spot an imposter or a phony a thousand kilometres away...

;-)

--
GM

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Janet wrote:

> In article <uu22bd$32qn6$1@dont-email.me>,
> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>
>>
>> Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.
>
> and a recently-departed but equally obvious constructed-
> persona with the same initial and inflated ego.
>
> D is busily trying to establish a new back-ground/fake
> socio-cultural authority. With equally little success.
>
>
>
> Janet UK

I wouldn't be so sure Janet, I think my public education campaign has
gotten quite a few people here to reconsider Biden! =)

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 09:44:23 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <uu22bd$32qn6$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>>> Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.
>>
>> and a recently-departed but equally obvious constructed-
>> persona with the same initial and inflated ego.
>
> Who died? Donald? Or do you mean dsi1 left RFC?
>
>> D is busily trying to establish a new back-ground/fake
>> socio-cultural authority. With equally little success.
>
> If you can't tell us in which country you live, there's something
> shifty going on.
>

What would you say if I told you I'm your next door neighbour?

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, GM wrote:

> D wrote:
>
>> No... I'm a privacy nut.
>
> Don't be bothered by the nonsensical trolling of the likes of "Miss Brucie"
> and "WITCH Janet UK"...
>
> I know by your syntax that you are *indeed* who you say you are - and I've
> been here for about 25 years, I can spot an imposter or a phony a thousand
> kilometres away...
>
> ;-)
>
>

Thank you for the kind words! =) I find Bruce to be quite entertaining
from time to time, but have no yet made up my mind about Janet. ;)

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:24:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 09:44:23 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <uu22bd$32qn6$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>
>>>> Why? It's clear. You sound like Jebus.
>>>
>>> and a recently-departed but equally obvious constructed-
>>> persona with the same initial and inflated ego.
>>
>> Who died? Donald? Or do you mean dsi1 left RFC?
>>
>>> D is busily trying to establish a new back-ground/fake
>>> socio-cultural authority. With equally little success.
>>
>> If you can't tell us in which country you live, there's something
>> shifty going on.
>>
>
>What would you say if I told you I'm your next door neighbour?

That I don't live in Eastern Europe.