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 by: Eli Kesef - Sat, 18 Sep 2021 23:32 UTC

Bs"d

So I slaughtered hundreds of people with the Englund gambit. It is just that lately it seems that nobody is falling for it. And the Englund is one trap that if the enemy doesn't fall for it, you end up with a rotten position.
So I thought, let's switch to the Budapest gambit for a while, and see what happens. It has a handful of traps in it, and you don't end up with a rotten position if the enemy doesn't fall for it. Like the Englund, you can only play it if the enemy starts out with d4, and cooperates to get the Budapest on the board.
So I gave it a try. And lo and behold, the first try was a great success. No mate within 10 moves, but the opponent had to give up his queen for a horse and a bishop. On move 8. https://lichess.org/M7g5N4zgxk3e

He played on to the mate in move 38, but I was 6 points ahead, so I was enjoying myself. I sacrificed a pawn on move 2, as opposed to move 1 in the Englund. But I got the pawn back, with interest. The interest being the queen of enemy, for only a horse and bishop.

I've got to try this more often.

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 by: William Hyde - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 22:22 UTC

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:32:36 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
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> So I slaughtered hundreds of people with the Englund gambit. It is just that lately it seems that nobody is falling for it. And the Englund is one trap that if the enemy doesn't fall for it, you end up with a rotten position.
> So I thought, let's switch to the Budapest gambit for a while, and see what happens. It has a handful of traps in it, and you don't end up with a rotten position if the enemy doesn't fall for it. Like the Englund, you can only play it if the enemy starts out with d4, and cooperates to get the Budapest on the board.
> So I gave it a try. And lo and behold, the first try was a great success. No mate within 10 moves, but the opponent had to give up his queen for a horse and a bishop. On move 8. https://lichess.org/M7g5N4zgxk3e

A fun little trap.

Have you considered the Albin counter gambit? It's very, very tricky. I don't know if today it is regarded as absolutely satisfactory, but it was played by the likes of Lasker, so it can't be too bad. It may not be quite as sound as the Budapest, but is, I think, a bit trappier. And far sounder than the Englund.

I can say from experience that even a 2000 player facing someone booked up in it has his work cut out for him.

On the white side, have you considered the Blackmar-Diemer? It's not considered to be utterly sound but it has its devotees and there is quite a bit of literature on it. I had a strong friend, who, as black, always transposed to the QGD so as to deny anyone the chance to play the BD against him.

William Hyde

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 by: Eli Kesef - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 06:47 UTC

Bs”d

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:22:16 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:32:36 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > So I slaughtered hundreds of people with the Englund gambit. It is just that lately it seems that nobody is falling for it. And the Englund is one trap that if the enemy doesn't fall for it, you end up with a rotten position.
> > So I thought, let's switch to the Budapest gambit for a while, and see what happens. It has a handful of traps in it, and you don't end up with a rotten position if the enemy doesn't fall for it. Like the Englund, you can only play it if the enemy starts out with d4, and cooperates to get the Budapest on the board.
> > So I gave it a try. And lo and behold, the first try was a great success. No mate within 10 moves, but the opponent had to give up his queen for a horse and a bishop. On move 8. https://lichess.org/M7g5N4zgxk3e
> A fun little trap.
>
> Have you considered the Albin counter gambit? It's very, very tricky. I don't know if today it is regarded as absolutely satisfactory, but it was played by the likes of Lasker, so it can't be too bad. It may not be quite as sound as the Budapest, but is, I think, a bit trappier. And far sounder than the Englund.

Bs"d

The Albin counter gambit was one of the first traps I learned, about 35 years ago. I tried it several times, both on the club and online, but I never was able to catch anybody with it, so I quit playing it. Also, the Englund became my favoured reply to d5. And it did have some succes on the club with the Budapest gambit, so I never actually caught somebody with the Albin counter gambit trap.
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> I can say from experience that even a 2000 player facing someone booked up in it has his work cut out for him.
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> On the white side, have you considered the Blackmar-Diemer? It's not considered to be utterly sound but it has its devotees and there is quite a bit of literature on it. I had a strong friend, who, as black, always transposed to the QGD so as to deny anyone the chance to play the BD against him.

I always start with e4, because I hate closed positions. But I once learned the Halosar trap, and for that you have to start with the Blackmar-Diemer.. I tried it once against a Russian in the park, and the result was spectacular. I played that game over in Lichess. Was not so hard, because it was only 10 moves, and a game like that you just don't forget. I uploaded it into my imported games, you can see it here: https://lichess.org/ioWa92Bk#15
I think it is a VERY good trap, because almost all the moves of the enemy are so obvious and good looking for him. After I give him the pawn on e4, I start attacking his pawn on e4 with Nc3. Then of course he protects it with Nf6. Very logical move. Then I play f3, and that is a golden opportunity for the enemy to get rid of that almost indefensible double pawn, so of course he will do exf3. Then I do a weird thing, I take with the queen in stead of with the horse on g1. That looks weird, the opponent thinks I don't know what I'm doing, because he can take yet another pawn on d4 with his queen, and as the saying goes: "Pawns they will devour always!". So he took the pawn with his queen. Then I attack his queen with Be3, and his queen has to move. And the place where you want him, on b4, looks very good to the enemy, because then he is yet again attacking something. So I do the long castling. (not the long rooking) And by doing that I give him the opportunity to skewer my queen and castle. That is simple to see, and who would not want to do that? They think my queen has to move, and they pick up my castle, and have good profit. Considering my play so far they just think I'm a rotten player, and they happily skewer me. And the move I play then, Nb5, must be a horrible shock for them. I sacrifice my queen, and go for a walk with my horse.
It is easy enough to see that taking the queen would lead to an immediate mate, so that Russian played Na6, to prevent the horse mating him on c7. Then my queen smacks in on b7 attacking the castle and the horse. Then he played castle to b8, trying to chase away my queen with his castle, realizing I could take his horse, but thinking that he then could take my horse on b4, and getting rid of the mate threat. However, what he overlooked was that I could again sacrifice my queen, that is two queen sacrifices in a game of ten moves, :D because if he takes the queen with the horse, the mate with my horse on c7 is back on the table. And since there were no other options to stop the check, and mate in one is unavoidable, he resigned.
A kiebitzing Russian said: “Don’t give up, you can take the queen with your horse!” but my enemy pointed out that that would lead to mate in one, then the kiebitzer said: “Very good! Very good!”

Games like that you don’t forget.

And that even though I didn’t play any chess. Just played over the moves that I learned by heart.

Opening traps are an enormous amount of fun!

Maybe I should try that Halosar more often.

https://tinyurl.com/trappish

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Bs¨d

So I got myself a Boden-Kieseritzky gambit, which made me come out of the opening with a castle more than the enemy: https://lichess.org/8Y5b65PVJL2D

Thank God for trappy gambits!

https://tinyurl.com/trappy-gambit

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On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 1:06:36 AM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> Just played another game against Sidonio, 1800+. He played a Caro-Kann against me, so I played my trap against him, and it didn't really go all the way according to the book. I was wondering why. Then I saw that this was the 13th game I was playing against Sidionio. After the game was over, I saw that he was a fanatic Caro-Kann player, and I saw that I slaughtered him three times with my Caro-Kann trap.
> For the connoisseur, here are the games:
>
> https://lichess.org/xPsP3V6i#25
> https://lichess.org/5LGZwtc6#25
> https://lichess.org/ZkrXST2r#23
>
> So after biting the dust three times against the same opening trap, he got the hang of it, and didn't fall for it anymore.
>
> Still he came out of the opening with a lousy position, and I managed to take him down in 16 moves: https://lichess.org/lSNNhmba#35
>
> All is well that ends well.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/CaKa-trap

Bs¨d

Sidonio is unlucky against me. Just met him again, but now Sidonio, who was then rated 1823, had white, so no Caro-Kann.

So of course I went for the Stafford gambit, so I played the Russian defense, but the enemy didn´t cooperate, and no Stafford gambit materialized.. In stead he came at me with a Fried Liver. But, like I told you guys before, those two grand masters gave me a very trappy answer for when somebody is trying to fry my liver. So I played the usual crazy looking answer to his attempted Fried Liver, and he proceeded to smack in with his horse on f7, forking my queen and castle. The result was that I mated him on move 8: https://lichess.org/NRGgn6QkiMHd

Personally I think that that was a very satisfactory refutation of his Fried Liver.

Thank God for opening traps.

https://tinyurl.com/Hallel-starry3

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On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:47:27 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs”d
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:22:16 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:32:36 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > > Bs"d
> > >
> > > So I slaughtered hundreds of people with the Englund gambit. It is just that lately it seems that nobody is falling for it. And the Englund is one trap that if the enemy doesn't fall for it, you end up with a rotten position.
> > > So I thought, let's switch to the Budapest gambit for a while, and see what happens. It has a handful of traps in it, and you don't end up with a rotten position if the enemy doesn't fall for it. Like the Englund, you can only play it if the enemy starts out with d4, and cooperates to get the Budapest on the board.
> > > So I gave it a try. And lo and behold, the first try was a great success. No mate within 10 moves, but the opponent had to give up his queen for a horse and a bishop. On move 8. https://lichess.org/M7g5N4zgxk3e
> > A fun little trap.
> >
> > Have you considered the Albin counter gambit? It's very, very tricky. I don't know if today it is regarded as absolutely satisfactory, but it was played by the likes of Lasker, so it can't be too bad. It may not be quite as sound as the Budapest, but is, I think, a bit trappier. And far sounder than the Englund.
> Bs"d
>
> The Albin counter gambit was one of the first traps I learned, about 35 years ago. I tried it several times, both on the club and online, but I never was able to catch anybody with it, so I quit playing it. Also, the Englund became my favoured reply to d5. And it did have some succes on the club with the Budapest gambit, so I never actually caught somebody with the Albin counter gambit trap.

You may want to reconsider. The Albin is not a trap, but an opening with many traps in it. Evading the first does not mean white is out of the woods..

Or as an FM friend of mine put it, while playing another master "He didn't fall for my first cheapo, but he did fall for the second". In the lingo of the times, cheapo = trap. The FM had a third lined up, which he got to play in a later game.

While browsing old chess magazines last night, I ran across an Albin game, Taylor-Tasev, Canada 1983. Taylor was a solid 2300 at the time, Tasev about 2000. One hundred and fifty games were submitted for the brilliancy prize in this event, but the judges said that Tasev's win was by far the best.

Of course if he doesn't fall for one of the many traps you may find yourself having to play a full game. But perhaps, like Mr Tasev, you'll find a way to win anyway.

William Hyde

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On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:36:17 AM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> So I bought myself a second hand chess book for next to nothing; "Teach Yourself Chess" by IM Bill Hartston, 2 times winner of the British Championship, and the first one to stack the pieces from an entire chess set on top of a single white castle.
>
> Parts of the book looks like rats have been eating it, but everything is still very well readable, thank God.
>
> It's a very nice book, you can teach yourself chess with it, and it has about everything, openings, endgames, tactics, history of chess, illustrative games, very nice book for a beginner or club player: https://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-Chess-McGraw-Hill/dp/0844230502
>
> So in that book I found an interesting gambit in the Italian opening, (aka giuoco piano) where you gambiteer not one, but two pawns. And it has a wonderful trap in it.
> So I spent my free Saturday learning that trap with all its variations by heart, and after the sun had set, I cranked up my computer, and gave it a shot on Lichess. It took a few games, but lo and behold, after I played the bishop opening, my favorite, some opponent turned it into the Italian opening. So I offered him a pawn, and he took it. I offered him a second pawn, and he took it. Then I offered him a castle, but he didn't take it. Didn't make a difference though, because it was too late already. He fought hard, but to no avail; he came out of the opening with a bishop missing: https://lichess.org/Ig4sFrqZMgJ0
> And from there it was all downhill, I exchanged everything, got myself an exchange on top of it, got into and endgame with a castle more, and the enemy surrendered unconditionally.
>
> Great trap! I want to try that more often.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/trappish

Bs"d

So I had an 1831 and I played the Italian opening against him, and he responded in kind, the usual Italian defense. And again I tried the trap that I got from above book, and again it worked like a charm. The enemy came out of the opening with a castle missing: https://lichess.org/lWIHEADlGWKD

He could have gotten away with only giving up a horse or bishop for two pawns, but he was kind enough to give me a whole castle, which I gratefully accepted.

You don't give the enemy just a pawn, you give him TWO pawns, and then usually he chokes on 'm.

Opening traps a beautiful things.

HalleluJah!!

https://tinyurl.com/beerklem

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 08:57 UTC

Bs"d

So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, which I learned from 2 grandmasters. Those 2 grandmasters wrote the book "222 Opening Traps after 1.e4": https://www.edition-olms.com/buecher/222-opening-traps-after-1-e4/ and I bought that book, and so I learned that trap from them two grandmasters.

But o horror, I saw the same trap on youtube, free for the whole world. Terrible! The genie is out of the bottle! Almost 70,000 people have watched that youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt01xy_ytg Now everybody can learn that trap for free! That's not the way it should be....

And even worse, another trap of mine I found on youtube, it has almost TWO MILLION views! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vhu9qDkkws Looks like everybody and his mother is learning opening traps.
That must be why I have so few people falling for my opening traps lately. Terrible!
Youtube is riddled with opening traps.

Well, something good came out of it; I learned a few more good variations of that anti-Fried Liver.

But it looks like the era where you could trap people left and right with simple traps is over. Everybody is jumping on the trap train. :(

Who said life is easy....

https://tinyurl.com/lifes-fault

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 16:19 UTC

On 10/5/2021 1:57 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, which I learned from 2 grandmasters. Those 2 grandmasters wrote the book "222 Opening Traps after 1.e4": https://www.edition-olms.com/buecher/222-opening-traps-after-1-e4/ and I bought that book, and so I learned that trap from them two grandmasters.
>
> But o horror, I saw the same trap on youtube, free for the whole world. Terrible! The genie is out of the bottle! Almost 70,000 people have watched that youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt01xy_ytg Now everybody can learn that trap for free! That's not the way it should be....

There is no Fried Liver Attack or attempted Fried Liver Attack in that game.

The fried liver attack is

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5

That move is *not* the Fried Liver Attack. It's one of the two main
lines in that position; the other is 4. d4. As far as I know, 4. Ng5
has no name.

4. ... d5
5. exd5 Nxd5

Generally considered a poor move. Fairly standard is (or at least used
to be) Na5, but Nd4 (the Fritz Variation) or g5 (the Ulvestad Variation)
are also good. I used to almost always play the Fritz.

6. Nxf7

It's *that* move, the sacrifice of the knight, that gets the name "Fried
Liver Attack" (translated from the Italian "Fegatello."

Back in my day, 5. Nxf7 was usually considered a poor move and the
correct move was instead 6. d4. I might be wrong, but I think there have
been recent improvements in the Fried Liver Attack, and it's more
playable than was thought then.

--
Ken

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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:31 UTC

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:19:11 PM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/5/2021 1:57 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > Bs"d
> >
> > So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, which I learned from 2 grandmasters. Those 2 grandmasters wrote the book "222 Opening Traps after 1.e4": https://www.edition-olms.com/buecher/222-opening-traps-after-1-e4/ and I bought that book, and so I learned that trap from them two grandmasters.
> >
> > But o horror, I saw the same trap on youtube, free for the whole world. Terrible! The genie is out of the bottle! Almost 70,000 people have watched that youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt01xy_ytg Now everybody can learn that trap for free! That's not the way it should be....

Bs"d

I'm confused here. First you say this:
> There is no Fried Liver Attack or attempted Fried Liver Attack in that game.
>
> The fried liver attack is
>
> 1. e4 e5
> 2. Nf3 Nc6
> 3. Bc4 Nf6
> 4. Ng5

So far I can agree with you.

But then you say:

> That move is *not* the Fried Liver Attack. It's one of the two main
> lines in that position; the other is 4. d4. As far as I know, 4. Ng5
> has no name.

First you say 4. Ng5 is the Fried liver, next you say: "4. Ng5 is NOT the Fried Liver, it has no name." ????

https://tinyurl.com/chess-complex

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 19:07 UTC

On 10/5/2021 10:31 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:19:11 PM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/5/2021 1:57 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> > Bs"d
>> >
>> > So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, which I learned from 2 grandmasters. Those 2 grandmasters wrote the book "222 Opening Traps after 1.e4": https://www.edition-olms.com/buecher/222-opening-traps-after-1-e4/ and I bought that book, and so I learned that trap from them two grandmasters.
>> >
>> > But o horror, I saw the same trap on youtube, free for the whole world. Terrible! The genie is out of the bottle! Almost 70,000 people have watched that youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt01xy_ytg Now everybody can learn that trap for free! That's not the way it should be....
>
> Bs"d
>
> I'm confused here. First you say this:
>> There is no Fried Liver Attack or attempted Fried Liver Attack in that game.
>>
>> The fried liver attack is
>>
>> 1. e4 e5
>> 2. Nf3 Nc6
>> 3. Bc4 Nf6
>> 4. Ng5
>
> So far I can agree with you.

There's nothing to agree with so far. I haven't made any point yet.

> But then you say:
>
>> That move is *not* the Fried Liver Attack. It's one of the two main
>> lines in that position; the other is 4. d4. As far as I know, 4. Ng5
>> has no name.
>
> First you say 4. Ng5 is the Fried liver,

No, I did not say that. Read more carefully. What I said is that the line

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d5
5. exd5 Nxd5
6. Nxf7

is the Fried Liver Attack.

It's the sixth White move, Nxf7, that makes that line the Fried Liver
Attack, not 4. Ng5.

> next you say: "4. Ng5 is NOT the Fried Liver,

Correct; it's not.

> it has no name."

"...as far as I know." It's simply one of the two most common white
fourth moves in the two Knight's Defense, the other, as I said, is 4.
d4. I'll grant you the possibility that someone has given 4. Ng5 a name
that I'm not aware of.

Also note that if white plays 4. Ng5, black does not have to play 4...d5
or 4...Nxe4. Another possibility is 4...Bc5, which is called the
Wilkes-Barre Variation or the Traxler Counterattack.

--
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 by: Eli Kesef - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 20:22 UTC

On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:07:21 PM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/5/2021 10:31 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:19:11 PM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> On 10/5/2021 1:57 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> >> > Bs"d
> >> >
> >> > So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, which I learned from 2 grandmasters. Those 2 grandmasters wrote the book "222 Opening Traps after 1.e4": https://www.edition-olms.com/buecher/222-opening-traps-after-1-e4/ and I bought that book, and so I learned that trap from them two grandmasters.
> >> >
> >> > But o horror, I saw the same trap on youtube, free for the whole world. Terrible! The genie is out of the bottle! Almost 70,000 people have watched that youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt01xy_ytg Now everybody can learn that trap for free! That's not the way it should be....
> >
> > Bs"d
> >
> > I'm confused here. First you say this:
> >> There is no Fried Liver Attack or attempted Fried Liver Attack in that game.
> >>
> >> The fried liver attack is
> >>
> >> 1. e4 e5
> >> 2. Nf3 Nc6
> >> 3. Bc4 Nf6
> >> 4. Ng5
> >
> > So far I can agree with you.
> There's nothing to agree with so far. I haven't made any point yet.
> > But then you say:
> >
> >> That move is *not* the Fried Liver Attack. It's one of the two main
> >> lines in that position; the other is 4. d4. As far as I know, 4. Ng5
> >> has no name.
> >
> > First you say 4. Ng5 is the Fried liver,
> No, I did not say that. Read more carefully. What I said is that the line
> 1. e4 e5
> 2. Nf3 Nc6
> 3. Bc4 Nf6
> 4. Ng5 d5
> 5. exd5 Nxd5
> 6. Nxf7
>
> is the Fried Liver Attack.
>
> It's the sixth White move, Nxf7, that makes that line the Fried Liver
> Attack, not 4. Ng5.
> > next you say: "4. Ng5 is NOT the Fried Liver,
> Correct; it's not.
>
>
> > it has no name."
>
>
> "...as far as I know." It's simply one of the two most common white
> fourth moves in the two Knight's Defense, the other, as I said, is 4.
> d4. I'll grant you the possibility that someone has given 4. Ng5 a name
> that I'm not aware of.
>
> Also note that if white plays 4. Ng5, black does not have to play 4...d5
> or 4...Nxe4. Another possibility is 4...Bc5, which is called the
> Wilkes-Barre Variation or the Traxler Counterattack.

Bs"d

OK, I got the picture.

So I think it is reasonably safe to say it is an attempted Fried Liver. He is trying to go for it. And that's what I said in my post: "So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver".

An attempted Fried Liver is I think not so wrong.

Anyway, this was not about semantics, it's about that trap when the opponent answers the two horses defense with horse g5, trying to smack in on f7.

It's a nice trap, I caught some people with it already, it's just that it is publicized on youtube, waking up the whole chess world to that trap, spoiling it for me.

And I hate facing the Traxler when I attempt the Fried Liver, even though nowadays I make it the Lollie attack, because I first play 6. d4, which according to Bobby Fischer makes the attack much stronger.

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 22:21 UTC

On 10/5/2021 1:22 PM, Eli Kesef wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:07:21 PM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/5/2021 10:31 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 7:19:11 PM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:
>> >> On 10/5/2021 1:57 AM, Eli Kesef wrote:
>> >> > Bs"d
>> >> >
>> >> > So I told you guys about the crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, which I learned from 2 grandmasters. Those 2 grandmasters wrote the book "222 Opening Traps after 1.e4": https://www.edition-olms.com/buecher/222-opening-traps-after-1-e4/ and I bought that book, and so I learned that trap from them two grandmasters.
>> >> >
>> >> > But o horror, I saw the same trap on youtube, free for the whole world. Terrible! The genie is out of the bottle! Almost 70,000 people have watched that youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyt01xy_ytg Now everybody can learn that trap for free! That's not the way it should be....
>> >
>> > Bs"d
>> >
>> > I'm confused here. First you say this:
>> >> There is no Fried Liver Attack or attempted Fried Liver Attack in that game.
>> >>
>> >> The fried liver attack is
>> >>
>> >> 1. e4 e5
>> >> 2. Nf3 Nc6
>> >> 3. Bc4 Nf6
>> >> 4. Ng5
>> >
>> > So far I can agree with you.
>> There's nothing to agree with so far. I haven't made any point yet.
>> > But then you say:
>> >
>> >> That move is *not* the Fried Liver Attack. It's one of the two main
>> >> lines in that position; the other is 4. d4. As far as I know, 4. Ng5
>> >> has no name.
>> >
>> > First you say 4. Ng5 is the Fried liver,
>> No, I did not say that. Read more carefully. What I said is that the line
>> 1. e4 e5
>> 2. Nf3 Nc6
>> 3. Bc4 Nf6
>> 4. Ng5 d5
>> 5. exd5 Nxd5
>> 6. Nxf7
>>
>> is the Fried Liver Attack.
>>
>> It's the sixth White move, Nxf7, that makes that line the Fried Liver
>> Attack, not 4. Ng5.
>> > next you say: "4. Ng5 is NOT the Fried Liver,
>> Correct; it's not.
>>
>>
>> > it has no name."
>>
>>
>> "...as far as I know." It's simply one of the two most common white
>> fourth moves in the two Knight's Defense, the other, as I said, is 4.
>> d4. I'll grant you the possibility that someone has given 4. Ng5 a name
>> that I'm not aware of.
>>
>> Also note that if white plays 4. Ng5, black does not have to play 4...d5
>> or 4...Nxe4. Another possibility is 4...Bc5, which is called the
>> Wilkes-Barre Variation or the Traxler Counterattack.
>
> Bs"d
>
> OK, I got the picture.

Good, glad to hear it.

> So I think it is reasonably safe to say it is an attempted Fried Liver.

No. There's no way you can know that. If the game goes

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. Ng5 d5
5. exd5

white doesn't know what black might play next. Yes, some players might
play 5...Nx5 and give him the opportunity to play the Fried Liver
Attack, but most players with opening knowledge would play 5...Na5. And
some players (me, for example) would play 5...Nd4, the Fritz variation.
And so on.

Moreover, even if black plays 5...Nxd5, there's no way you can know that
white will reply with 6. Nxf7, the Fried Liver Attack. He might, but he
might not. He might well prefer to play the theoretically better 6. d4

> Anyway, this was not about semantics, it's about that trap when the opponent answers the two horses defense with horse g5, trying to smack in on f7.

Yes, I understood your point. I was simply commenting on your misuse of
the term "Fried Liver Attack" and trying to educate you on what that meant.

> It's a nice trap, I caught some people with it already, it's just that it is publicized on youtube, waking up the whole chess world to that trap, spoiling it for me.
>
> And I hate facing the Traxler when I attempt the Fried Liver,

Yes, the Traxler can be very dangerous.

> even though nowadays I make it the Lollie attack, because I first play 6. d4, which according to Bobby Fischer makes the attack much stronger.

As I said, 6.d4 was widely believed to be much sounder than the Fried
Liver Attack. Is it still considered better? Probably, but I'm not up on
the latest opening research so I can't be sure.

By the way, in all the years I knew Bobby Fischer, I can't remember his
ever playing 3. Bc4. Did he ever play it? Perhaps, but I either never
saw him play it or don't remember, so it certainly wasn't a standard
opening for him, so I'd be wary of putting too much credence on what he
said about lines that result from it. He was much more likely to play
the Ruy Lopez, and especially the exchange variation.

--
Ken

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On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 1:21:58 AM UTC+3, Ken Blake wrote:

> By the way, in all the years I knew Bobby Fischer, I can't remember his
> ever playing 3. Bc4. Did he ever play it? Perhaps, but I either never
> saw him play it or don't remember, so it certainly wasn't a standard
> opening for him, so I'd be wary of putting too much credence on what he
> said about lines that result from it. He was much more likely to play
> the Ruy Lopez, and especially the exchange variation.

Bs"d

Here is a game of Bobby playing the Italian opening with 4. Ng5: https://books.google.co.il/books?id=kQ3fAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT81&lpg=PT81&dq=Bobby+Fischer,+e4+e5+Nf3+Nc6+Bc4&source=bl&ots=wSRD1nyszr&sig=ACfU3U2TRPdulVrdj7Qv3phbAFbsszjm6w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwzrSWw7TzAhWymFwKHW2LC9AQ6AF6BAgYEAM#v=onepage&q=Bobby%20Fischer%2C%20e4%20e5%20Nf3%20Nc6%20Bc4&f=false

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On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 11:19:15 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
>
> This could have been a sudden death on move 8, if only the enemy would have taken my queen: https://lichess.org/9pfIupxohrku
>
> He didn't take my queen, so I took his queen, on move 8, after which he resigned. Any chance that this would qualify as a "sudden death on move 8"?
>
> He died on move 8. Quite suddenly.
>
> But it wasn't mate.
>
> Difficult, difficult.
>
> Just to be on the safe side I didn't post it under "Sudden Death on move 8". I want to keep that thread pure and undiluted.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/dev-Stafford

Bs"d

For those amongst us who think that in this game https://lichess.org/9pfIupxohrku the enemy blundered horribly in taking the bishop on move 8, causing by that the loss of his queen, they are wrong. If he would have kept on protecting his queen by not taking the bishop but moving the king to e2, then Bg4+ would have followed, after which the white king has no choice than to capture the bishop on f2, and then he would have anyway lost his queen with Qxd1.
So it would only have delayed the inevitable with one move.

Just saying.

https://tinyurl.com/beerklem

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Bs"d

So I switched from the Englund gambit to the Budapest gambit. It is not as spectacular as the Englund when that leads to a mate on move 8, but sometimes it works nicely. Like in this freshly played game: https://lichess..org/PDZoXjYnmQah Here the enemy had to part with his queen on move 8, and got in return only two light pieces. And I got the invested pawn back, plus one pawn interest, so I was 4 points ahead. He still had 4 light pieces and two castles, so there was a lot of play left for him, and I had to proceed with extreme caution. But simply exchanging everything I could exchange worked very well, and victory was mine. HalleluJah!!

https://is.gd/trappy_gamb

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Bs"d

The Stafford gambit claimed a new victim. No mate in 8, but the enemy had to part with an exchange in the opening: https://lichess.org/sq2dRBDwBAhp
After the gambit he pushed his e pawn forward, attacking my horse. My horse jumped to e4, having a beautiful nice forward position. Unfortunately he didn't play d3, because then you can get this beautiful line in which the enemy loses his queen on move 9: https://lichess.org/wCjvJb0r/black#20

In stead of d3 he played d4, protecting his e5 pawn, after which my queen moved to h4, threatening mate on f2. Then he played the natural but horrible move g3, after which my horse smacked in on g3, winning back my gambiteerd pawn. Of course he couldn't take with hxg3, because he would immediately lose his castle on h1, so he took the longer route, and took my horse with fxg3, after which my queen checked him on e4, and next move the queen picked up the castle on h1. The rest was smooth sailing. The enemy fought on until the mate on move 79. :D

The Stafford gambit did it again!

https://tinyurl.com/keep-calm-play

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On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 1:06:36 AM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
> Bs"d
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> Just played another game against Sidonio, 1800+. He played a Caro-Kann against me, so I played my trap against him, and it didn't really go all the way according to the book. I was wondering why. Then I saw that this was the 13th game I was playing against Sidionio. After the game was over, I saw that he was a fanatic Caro-Kann player, and I saw that I slaughtered him three times with my Caro-Kann trap.
> For the connoisseur, here are the games:
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> https://lichess.org/xPsP3V6i#25
> https://lichess.org/5LGZwtc6#25
> https://lichess.org/ZkrXST2r#23
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> So after biting the dust three times against the same opening trap, he got the hang of it, and didn't fall for it anymore.
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> Still he came out of the opening with a lousy position, and I managed to take him down in 16 moves: https://lichess.org/lSNNhmba#35
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> All is well that ends well.
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> https://tinyurl.com/CaKa-trap

Bs"d

I run into Sidonio again. This time I had black, so no Caro-Kann trap. But fortunately, he tried a Fried Liver on me, and my new anti-Fried Liver defense, which I learned from those two GM's, came through again: https://lichess.org/TG3d0Ear/black

Sidonio came out of the opening with a horse missing, and on move 24 he resigned.

This interesting crazy looking answer to an attempted Fried Liver, or, to keep Ken happy and to avoid a new debate about what is and what isn't a Fried Liver, this answer to an attempt to smack a horse in on f7, supported by a bishop on c4 which also attacks f7, that answer actually seems to have a name, that name being the Ponziani-Steinitz gambit.

Sidonio was kind enough to blunder away a horse in this weird opening, something I really appreciate. The playing goes just much more relaxed when you're a horse ahead.

http://tiny.cc/sacc-opp

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Bs"d

I had a nice fishing pole trap: https://lichess.org/6AoCNvvKjPtT

On move 12 the enemy had won two horses of mine, was 5 points ahead, and resigned.

I had to play a bit weird, so it was not too obvious that I was blundering away a horse, otherwise people get suspicious. And it worked.

After that a Staffford gambit in which the enemy had to part with an exchange in the opening: https://lichess.org/CceVSOGEu1Xz He first blundered away a queen and requested a take back. After sending him this link: https://tinyurl.com/pick-pocket I gave him his take back. After another request for take back, after he blundered away his bishop, I sent him the same link, and refused the take back. There are limits.

https://tinyurl.com/svindle

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Bs"d

Got an interesting Stafford gambit, https://lichess.org/rvHDcefBDVQ9 with a line of play that is found on one of the youtubes of IM Eric Rosen. He is a big fan of the Stafford gambit, and he gave me many more trappy lines.

It took 18 moves to make the enemy resign, but it was worth it. I sacrificed a horse, got it back, with the enemy king in the middle of the board, where he made the fatal mistake, which was going to cost him his queen, so he surrendered.

https://tinyurl.com/Deadly-Staff

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On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 1:48:52 AM UTC+2, Eli Kesef wrote:
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> Got an interesting Stafford gambit, https://lichess.org/rvHDcefBDVQ9 with a line of play that is found on one of the youtubes of IM Eric Rosen. He is a big fan of the Stafford gambit, and he gave me many more trappy lines.
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> It took 18 moves to make the enemy resign, but it was worth it. I sacrificed a horse, got it back, with the enemy king in the middle of the board, where he made the fatal mistake, which was going to cost him his queen, so he surrendered.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/Deadly-Staff

Bs"d

Got a kind of the same Stafford gambit, in which the king goes for a walk over the whole board to the other side of the board.

This time the enemy decided to exchange queens, apparently not realizing that that would cost him a full castle. I did sacrifice a horse, but had already won that back. So I was a full rook ahead, with the enemy king ending up on the other side of the board.

Amazing that Stafford gambit!

https://tinyurl.com/Deadly-Staff

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 2:21:31 PM UTC+3, Eli Kesef wrote:
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> So I switched from the Englund gambit to the Budapest gambit. It is not as spectacular as the Englund when that leads to a mate on move 8, but sometimes it works nicely. Like in this freshly played game: https://lichess.org/PDZoXjYnmQah Here the enemy had to part with his queen on move 8, and got in return only two light pieces. And I got the invested pawn back, plus one pawn interest, so I was 4 points ahead. He still had 4 light pieces and two castles, so there was a lot of play left for him, and I had to proceed with extreme caution. But simply exchanging everything I could exchange worked very well, and victory was mine. HalleluJah!!
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> https://is.gd/trappy_gamb

Bs"d

I tried the Budapest gambit quite a few times, but it just doesn't happen often enough. So I switched back to the Englund gambit, prepared to deal with the rotten positions if the enemy doesn't fall for the trap, but lo and behold, the first time I tried, the enemy did fall for the trap: https://lichess.org/4fjRvNI81RFv
The enemy was an 1876, not exactly a grandmaster, but far from a novice. And he fell for the trap.
He didn't take the shortest route, the one of the mate in 8 moves, but he had to part with a horse and a pawn in the opening anyway. So even though I started my very first move by giving him a free pawn, I ended up with a pawn more than him, and a horse to boot.
He reacted in weird way to my attack, and I had to win his horse in weird way, by me sacrificing my queen, and winning his queen two moves later, by means of horse fork. And then later I made yet another horse fork, on move 12, and then the enemy surrendered.

Those are the games I like. :D

Because of the double fork I feel forced to post this game also in the horse fork thread.

https://lichess.org/4fjRvNI81RFv

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Bs"d

I moved away from the Englund gambit, because nobody was falling for it anymore. Went to the Budapest gambit, came back to the Englund, and now they are dropping like flies against the Englund. Just had a guy who didn't make it past move. On move 8 he was already 3 points behind: https://lichess.org/nSjfKJQhVUSx And he was about to lose another 8 points, making a grand total of 11, so he surrendered.

Like I said before; things come in waves. But so do dry spells. But now I'm on top of a wave with the Englund.

https://tinyurl.com/destroy-opp-Engl

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Bs"d

So after watching a youtube of IM Eric Rosen on the Stafford gambit, looking for more inspiration, I got it! The more inspiration I mean.

He showed a 3 second piece not about the Stafford, but about the Englund. Off topic, so it was very short, but long enough for me.

It was a very crude trap, played early in the Englund. The first time I tried it, the enemy didn't fall for it, but now the second time, with a 1720 player, I had the premove enabled, so it looked like I was blundering a piece because of premove. The enemy took a pawn of me, and another one, then a horse of me, en then he lost his queen: https://lichess.org/aVmjXHZd4V0k

Then I wasn't paying attention and he locked in and almost won my queen, but with luck and bad play of the enemy I got out of it, with a lot more material and went on to slaughter the enemy.

https://tinyurl.com/trappish

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Bs"d

And yet another innocent victim of my Caro-Kann trap: https://lichess.org/53pTreMHH8CM

Unfortunately, the enemy didn't go all the way, so no early mate around move 10, but I came out of the opening with an exchange and a pawn more, and that led to victory on move 41.

https://tinyurl.com/Op-trap-C-K

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