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Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!

Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!

W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
Olaf Scholz.

Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis

https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/

According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.

Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.

The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”

Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.

“His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.

Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.

Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.

https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/

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 by: Hreczecha - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 22:47 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-5, Basia wrote:
> Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
>
> Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
>
> W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> Olaf Scholz.
>
> Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
> According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
>
> According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
>
> Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
>
> The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
>
> Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
>
> “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
>
> Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
>
> Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
Co za bzdura. Zelenski mogl najwyzej rozpoczac negocjacje w sprawie ewwntualnego wstapienie do NATO.

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 by: a a - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 22:53 UTC

On Monday, 4 April 2022 at 00:28:30 UTC+2, Basia wrote:
> Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
>
> Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
>
> W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> Olaf Scholz.
>
> Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
> According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
>
> According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
>
> Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
>
> The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
>
> Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
>
> “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
>
> Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
>
> Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
znów de deluzje

A co ma Scholz do gadania w sprawie Nato ?
Nato to chamerykanski biznes, zarządzany za oceanem

Wlaczając Ukraine do Nato, zasoby gazu i ropy na Ukrainie zostaja udostępnione Hameryce
a wojska pilnuja biznesu, bo taka jest ich rola w czasie pokoju i taka doktryna:"

najpierw wojska
a potem biznesy i banki

Zatem Scholz nic nie ma do gadania, bo Mimce nadal obowiązuja traktaty kapitulacyjne z 1945 roku i formalnie podlegają wladzy zwierzchniej w Waszyngtonie.

Ale pogadac sobie oczywiście moga i pomarzyć

Mimce mają sluchac rozkazów a nie kombinowac.

Na Ukrainie jest więcej gazu niż w Norwegii i każda wojna jest o paliwa,
bo gazu zabrakło w Katarze, Norwegii i głupkowego za oceanem.

Ale, że tak będzie szef NASA pisał 5 lat temu, że nadchodzi minimum aktywności słońca, zero plam na słoncu i związane z tym mrozy i oziębienie, czyli sezon grzewczy się wydłuży o 2 miesiące

a dodatkowo mieliśmy 2 lata zarazy i wiercenia za gazem, ropą odbywały się wirtualnie, w pracy zdalnej, czyli z domu.

A w domu można sobie wywiercić, ale dziurę w brzuchu

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 by: Russet Bulba - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 22:59 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
>
> Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
>
> W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> Olaf Scholz.
>
> Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
> According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
>
> According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
>
> Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
>
> The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
>
> Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
>
> “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
>
> Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
>
> Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/

Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp. Nie od Ukrainy zalezy, czy bedzie ona w NATO, czy tez nie. To jest ekskluzywna NATO decyzja.. A kazdy moze do NATO takie petycje kierowac. Nie ma potrzeby na jakies nowe gwarancje suwerennosci i integralnosci terytorialnej Ukrainy. Te sa w prawie miedzynarodowym, jak i zostaly dane Ukrainie przez Rosje, USA oraz UK w porozumieniu budapesztanskim. Ponadto, zadania w stosunku do Zachodu zostaly tak sformulowane przez Putina, aby byly one dla Zachodu nie do przyjecie, a powodem, iz planowal on aneksje Ukrainy i wcielenie do Rosji, co jest 100% jasne, jak sie wyslucha jego lutowych wystapien, kiedy to nie zostawia co do tego zadnych watpliwosci.Mozliwosc jakiegokolwiek porozumienia z jakiejkolwiek strony zostala rowniez odrzucona przez Putina w jego slynnym opieprzu dla szefa swojego wywiadu, kiedy bylo jasne, iz decyzja inwazji zostala juz podjeta i Putin nie mial zadnego zamiaru sie z niej wycofac. Wszystko na pokaz publiczny. Powodem inwazji byla chec Putina odbudowy Imperium w chwili najwiekszej slabosci Zachodu, tak jak on przed ta inwazja swiatowa sytuacje pojmowal.

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 by: Basia - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 23:13 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:47:06 PM UTC-7, Hreczecha wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-5, Basia wrote:
> > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> >
> > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> >
> > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > Olaf Scholz.
> >
> > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> >
> > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >
> > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> >
> > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> >
> > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> >
> > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security..”
> >
> > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> >
> > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> >
> > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> >
> > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> >
> > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
> Co za bzdura. Zelenski mogl najwyzej rozpoczac negocjacje w sprawie ewwntualnego wstapienie do NATO.

Czekam na potwierdzenie wiadomosci,
nie moge wprost uwierzyc. Wiele site'ow
powiela ale nie widze linku do oryginalu.

Mozliwe ze zdjete i wyciszone, badz co badz,
wiadomosc o niebywalym znaczeniu.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> >
> > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> >
> > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > Olaf Scholz.
> >
> > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> >
> > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >
> > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> >
> > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> >
> > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> >
> > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security..”
> >
> > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> >
> > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> >
> > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> >
> > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> >
> > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
> Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.

Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.

Do dziela Bulbo!

Basia (Ona/Jej)

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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > >
> > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > >
> > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > Olaf Scholz.
> > >
> > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > >
> > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > >
> > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > >
> > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > >
> > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > >
> > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr.. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > >
> > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > >
> > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > >
> > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > >
> > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > >
> > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >
> > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
>
> Do dziela Bulbo!
>
> Basia (Ona/Jej)

Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?

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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > >
> > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > >
> > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > >
> > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > >
> > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > >
> > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > >
> > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > >
> > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > >
> > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > >
> > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > >
> > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > >
> > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > >
> > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > >
> > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> >
> > Do dziela Bulbo!
> >
> > Basia (Ona/Jej)
>
> Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?

I jak dorobienie geby Basi zmieni
fakty o Zelenskim?

Trela jest za glupi by zrozumiec,
Bulba najwyrazniej tez. Ulepieni
zostali obydwaj do wirtualnej
manipulacji, i beda tkwic w
wirtualnym swiecie, probowac
kontrolowac, wypaczac.

Artykul jest nie o problemach
z przyjeciem czy nie przyjeciem
do NATO Zelenskiego ale
o jego odrzuceniu oferty pokojowej
zlozonej przez Olafa Scholza.

To wstrzasajaca wiadomosc,
jezeli prawdziwa.

Basia (Ona/Jej)

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On Monday, 4 April 2022 at 01:38:13 UTC+2, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > >
> > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > >
> > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > >
> > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > >
> > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > >
> > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > >
> > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > >
> > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > >
> > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > >
> > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > >
> > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > >
> > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > >
> > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > >
> > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> >
> > Do dziela Bulbo!
> >
> > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?
gdyby w Europie panował porządek jak w Chinach, to każdy by mial dobrą pracę, byl zdrowy, wyspany, szczęśliwy, zajmowal się rodziną i nie sprzedawał jadu.

W Europce wojna się nigdy nie skoćzyła, jedni sraja miliardami a inni żyją na swoim śmietniku od urodzenia
bo Brokselka to dziki kraj, patologiczny, skorumpowany,
\vipy nic nie robią od 100 lat a żyją dostatnio jak Marsjanie
a 90% biedaków żyje od 1. do 1. i wyjada resztki ze śmietnika

Afryka dzisiaj to potęga gospodarcza, handlowa, przemyslowa,
Azja to potega
a Brókselka codziennie się zwija z ujemnym przyrostem natural;nym od 30 lat

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Subject: Re: Zelenski nie chcial pokoju!
From: cyrylmet...@gmail.com (Russet Bulba)
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 by: Russet Bulba - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 00:10 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > > >
> > > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > > >
> > > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > > >
> > > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > >
> > > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > > >
> > > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > > >
> > > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > > >
> > > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > > >
> > > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > >
> > > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> > >
> > > Do dziela Bulbo!
> > >
> > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> >
> > Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?
> I jak dorobienie geby Basi zmieni
> fakty o Zelenskim?
>
> Trela jest za glupi by zrozumiec,
> Bulba najwyrazniej tez. Ulepieni
> zostali obydwaj do wirtualnej
> manipulacji, i beda tkwic w
> wirtualnym swiecie, probowac
> kontrolowac, wypaczac.
>
> Artykul jest nie o problemach
> z przyjeciem czy nie przyjeciem
> do NATO Zelenskiego ale
> o jego odrzuceniu oferty pokojowej
> zlozonej przez Olafa Scholza.
>
> To wstrzasajaca wiadomosc,
> jezeli prawdziwa.
>
> Basia (Ona/Jej)

Co mialby Scholtz miec do zaoferowania? Niemieckie gwarancje dla Ukrainy? Na bazie czegoz. Putin z ta wojna szykowal sie juz od lat, a na serio od listopada ubieglego roku. Jego celem byla aneksja Ukrainy i ponowna przebudowa Europy. De fakto zredukowanie Europy Zachodniej do podmiotu dla Rosji i wypchniecie USA z kontynentu. I w jaki sposob Putinowi mozna bylo i mozna zreszta wierzyc? Dla niego licza sie tylko rozpoznawalne dla niego fakty, a wiec slabosc i uleglosc Europy Zachodniej eobec Rosji glownie wskutek energetycznego uzaleznienia i unikanie starcia z Rosja. Tak tez czylal Bidena po jego slabosci wobec Nordsream 2 i rasowym burdelem wewnatrz USA. Tak wiec Ukraina byla przesadzona w takim zrozumieniu przez Putina sytuacji i Zelenski i tym wiedzial nie chcial byc Hacha i tu cala roznica.

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 by: Basia - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 00:33 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > >
> > > > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > > > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > > > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > > > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > > > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > > > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > > > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> > > >
> > > > Do dziela Bulbo!
> > > >
> > > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> > >
> > > Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?
> > I jak dorobienie geby Basi zmieni
> > fakty o Zelenskim?
> >
> > Trela jest za glupi by zrozumiec,
> > Bulba najwyrazniej tez. Ulepieni
> > zostali obydwaj do wirtualnej
> > manipulacji, i beda tkwic w
> > wirtualnym swiecie, probowac
> > kontrolowac, wypaczac.
> >
> > Artykul jest nie o problemach
> > z przyjeciem czy nie przyjeciem
> > do NATO Zelenskiego ale
> > o jego odrzuceniu oferty pokojowej
> > zlozonej przez Olafa Scholza.
> >
> > To wstrzasajaca wiadomosc,
> > jezeli prawdziwa.
> >
> > Basia (Ona/Jej)
>
> Co mialby Scholtz miec do zaoferowania? Niemieckie gwarancje dla Ukrainy?

Rzekomo Putyn i Biden mieli byc sygnotariuszami,
taka widzialam tresc podana przez jednego komentatora.

Trzeba poczekac, to nie ucieknie jezeli prawda.

> Na bazie czegoz. Putin z ta wojna szykowal sie juz od lat, a na serio od listopada ubieglego roku. Jego celem byla aneksja Ukrainy i ponowna przebudowa Europy. De fakto zredukowanie Europy Zachodniej do podmiotu dla Rosji i wypchniecie USA z kontynentu. I w jaki sposob Putinowi mozna bylo i mozna zreszta wierzyc? Dla niego licza sie tylko rozpoznawalne dla niego fakty, a wiec slabosc i uleglosc Europy Zachodniej eobec Rosji glownie wskutek energetycznego uzaleznienia i unikanie starcia z Rosja. Tak tez czylal Bidena po jego slabosci wobec Nordsream 2 i rasowym burdelem wewnatrz USA. Tak wiec Ukraina byla przesadzona w takim zrozumieniu przez Putina sytuacji i Zelenski i tym wiedzial nie chcial byc Hacha i tu cala roznica.

Bedzie wiele opinii, Zelenski to przeciez
kukielka, aktor, komik, odgrawajacy role
jaka Mu mocodawcy napisali. Jest wiadome
ze prywatnie NATO powiedzialo mu ze Ukraina
nigdy nie zostanie przyjeta do ale by
publicznie nalegal o przyjecie (wywiad
z Zakaria bodajze).

To samo pewnie z reakcja na propozycje
pokojowa Scholza. Samemu moze wyskoczyl
z atomowkami Ukrainy, chociaz tez watpliwe,
ktos mu kazal tak mowic.

Basia

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 by: Russet Bulba - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 00:51 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > > > > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > > > > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > > > > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > > > > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > > > > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > > > > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do dziela Bulbo!
> > > > >
> > > > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> > > >
> > > > Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?
> > > I jak dorobienie geby Basi zmieni
> > > fakty o Zelenskim?
> > >
> > > Trela jest za glupi by zrozumiec,
> > > Bulba najwyrazniej tez. Ulepieni
> > > zostali obydwaj do wirtualnej
> > > manipulacji, i beda tkwic w
> > > wirtualnym swiecie, probowac
> > > kontrolowac, wypaczac.
> > >
> > > Artykul jest nie o problemach
> > > z przyjeciem czy nie przyjeciem
> > > do NATO Zelenskiego ale
> > > o jego odrzuceniu oferty pokojowej
> > > zlozonej przez Olafa Scholza.
> > >
> > > To wstrzasajaca wiadomosc,
> > > jezeli prawdziwa.
> > >
> > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> >
> > Co mialby Scholtz miec do zaoferowania? Niemieckie gwarancje dla Ukrainy?
> Rzekomo Putyn i Biden mieli byc sygnotariuszami,
> taka widzialam tresc podana przez jednego komentatora.
>
> Trzeba poczekac, to nie ucieknie jezeli prawda.
> > Na bazie czegoz. Putin z ta wojna szykowal sie juz od lat, a na serio od listopada ubieglego roku. Jego celem byla aneksja Ukrainy i ponowna przebudowa Europy. De fakto zredukowanie Europy Zachodniej do podmiotu dla Rosji i wypchniecie USA z kontynentu. I w jaki sposob Putinowi mozna bylo i mozna zreszta wierzyc? Dla niego licza sie tylko rozpoznawalne dla niego fakty, a wiec slabosc i uleglosc Europy Zachodniej eobec Rosji glownie wskutek energetycznego uzaleznienia i unikanie starcia z Rosja. Tak tez czylal Bidena po jego slabosci wobec Nordsream 2 i rasowym burdelem wewnatrz USA. Tak wiec Ukraina byla przesadzona w takim zrozumieniu przez Putina sytuacji i Zelenski i tym wiedzial nie chcial byc Hacha i tu cala roznica.
> Bedzie wiele opinii, Zelenski to przeciez
> kukielka, aktor, komik, odgrawajacy role
> jaka Mu mocodawcy napisali. Jest wiadome
> ze prywatnie NATO powiedzialo mu ze Ukraina
> nigdy nie zostanie przyjeta do ale by
> publicznie nalegal o przyjecie (wywiad
> z Zakaria bodajze).
>
> To samo pewnie z reakcja na propozycje
> pokojowa Scholza. Samemu moze wyskoczyl
> z atomowkami Ukrainy, chociaz tez watpliwe,
> ktos mu kazal tak mowic.
>
> Basia

Losy ludzkie i spoleczenstw dziwnymi czasem chadzaja drogami. Sa na ogol zdeterminowane lecz nie koniecznie tak jak to nam sie wydaje. Oto niezly przyklad historyczny:

Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (/ˈklɔːdiəs/ KLAW-dee-əs; 1 August 10 BC – 13 October AD 54) was the fourth Roman emperor, ruling from AD 41 to 54. A member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, Claudius was born to Drusus and Antonia Minor at Lugdunum in Roman Gaul, where his father was stationed as a military legate. He was the first Roman emperor to be born outside Italy. Nonetheless, Claudius was an Italic of Sabine origins.[5] Because he was afflicted with a limp and slight deafness due to sickness at a young age, he was ostracized by his family and was excluded from public office until his consulship (which was shared with his nephew, Caligula, in 37).
Claudius's infirmity probably saved him from the fate of many other nobles during the purges throughout the reigns of Tiberius and Caligula, as potential enemies did not see him as a serious threat. His survival led to him being declared emperor by the Praetorian Guard after Caligula's assassination, at which point he was the last adult male of his family. Despite his lack of experience, Claudius proved to be an able and efficient administrator. He expanded the imperial bureaucracy to include freedmen, and helped to restore the empire's finances after the excess of Caligula's reign. He was also an ambitious builder, constructing many new roads, aqueducts, and canals across the Empire. During his reign the Empire started its successful conquest of Britain.

Polecam I, Claudius.

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abjjkst@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>
>Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
>
>Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
>
>W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
>oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
>Olaf Scholz.
>
>Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
>
>https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
>According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
>
>According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
>
>Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
>
>The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and
>Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
>
>Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement
>and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
>
>“His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
>
>Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
>
>Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the
>Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
>
>https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/

Pani Basiu,
Nawet jesli to jest prawda, to przeciez zadna rewelacja i kazdy kto
umie wyciagac LOGICZNE wnioski postapil by dokladnie tak samo jak
Zalenski.
Faktem jest ze Putin nie dotrzymuja zadnych umow - podpisal Budapest
Memorandum ktore bez zadnych wyrzutow sumienia zlamal.
Teraz Zelenski rozmawia z Sholtzem, ale Zelenski wie ze Putin kupil
poprzedniego niemieckiego kanclerza - Schrödera, wiec ma uzsadnione
obawy ze Putin kupil rowniez Sholtza.
Sholtz mowi - powiedz ze nie chcesz isc do NATO - co Zelenski odbiera
ze ma szanse wstapic do NATO i tak uchronic sie przed Rosja, bo Sholtz
reprezentuje interesy Putina i chce oddac Ukraine Rosji.
A wiec LOGICZNA odpowiedz - a ja nie chce oddac Ukrainy Rosji, chce
wstapic do NATO i uratowac Ukraine.

Inna mozliwosc - Zelemski jest Pani wiernym czytelnikiem i uwierzyl
Pani teorii o germanizacji Zachodu i nie chcial miec wspolego z
Germanami.

zalek

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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:58:30 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
>
> Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
>
> W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> Olaf Scholz.
>
> Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
>
> https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.

Because they were just about to be accepted into NATO ?

> According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.

You mean the same peace that was offered to Ukraine for giving up the Soviet nuclear weapons in 1994, the peace guaranteed by Russia,
US, UK , France and China - the famous Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.?

Piotr

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 by: Piotr - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 01:28 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:24:17 PM UTC-2:30, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abj...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:

> Pani Basiu,
> Nawet jesli to jest prawda, to przeciez zadna rewelacja i kazdy kto
> umie wyciagac LOGICZNE wnioski postapil by dokladnie tak samo jak
> Zalenski.
> Faktem jest ze Putin nie dotrzymuja zadnych umow - podpisal Budapest
> Memorandum ktore bez zadnych wyrzutow sumienia zlamal.
> Teraz Zelenski rozmawia z Sholtzem, ale Zelenski wie ze Putin kupil
> poprzedniego niemieckiego kanclerza - Schrödera, wiec ma uzsadnione
> obawy ze Putin kupil rowniez Sholtza.
> Sholtz mowi - powiedz ze nie chcesz isc do NATO - co Zelenski odbiera
> ze ma szanse wstapic do NATO i tak uchronic sie przed Rosja, bo Sholtz
> reprezentuje interesy Putina i chce oddac Ukraine Rosji.
> A wiec LOGICZNA odpowiedz - a ja nie chce oddac Ukrainy Rosji, chce
> wstapic do NATO i uratowac Ukraine.
>
> Inna mozliwosc - Zelemski jest Pani wiernym czytelnikiem i uwierzyl
> Pani teorii o germanizacji Zachodu i nie chcial miec wspolego z
> Germanami.

Prosze tez nie zapominac o "MuZydach" pana Edzia. Oraz o jego "jurnych Semitach z dlugimi..."
przesladowanych przez "wyuzdane suki niemieckie"!

> zalek

Piotr

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poniedziałek, 4 kwietnia 2022 o 02:51:01 UTC+2 cyrylme...@gmail.com napisał(a):
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > > > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > > > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > > > > > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > > > > > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > > > > > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > > > > > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > > > > > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > > > > > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do dziela Bulbo!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> > > > >
> > > > > Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?
> > > > I jak dorobienie geby Basi zmieni
> > > > fakty o Zelenskim?
> > > >
> > > > Trela jest za glupi by zrozumiec,
> > > > Bulba najwyrazniej tez. Ulepieni
> > > > zostali obydwaj do wirtualnej
> > > > manipulacji, i beda tkwic w
> > > > wirtualnym swiecie, probowac
> > > > kontrolowac, wypaczac.
> > > >
> > > > Artykul jest nie o problemach
> > > > z przyjeciem czy nie przyjeciem
> > > > do NATO Zelenskiego ale
> > > > o jego odrzuceniu oferty pokojowej
> > > > zlozonej przez Olafa Scholza.
> > > >
> > > > To wstrzasajaca wiadomosc,
> > > > jezeli prawdziwa.
> > > >
> > > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> > >
> > > Co mialby Scholtz miec do zaoferowania? Niemieckie gwarancje dla Ukrainy?
> > Rzekomo Putyn i Biden mieli byc sygnotariuszami,
> > taka widzialam tresc podana przez jednego komentatora.
> >
> > Trzeba poczekac, to nie ucieknie jezeli prawda.
> > > Na bazie czegoz. Putin z ta wojna szykowal sie juz od lat, a na serio od listopada ubieglego roku. Jego celem byla aneksja Ukrainy i ponowna przebudowa Europy. De fakto zredukowanie Europy Zachodniej do podmiotu dla Rosji i wypchniecie USA z kontynentu. I w jaki sposob Putinowi mozna bylo i mozna zreszta wierzyc? Dla niego licza sie tylko rozpoznawalne dla niego fakty, a wiec slabosc i uleglosc Europy Zachodniej eobec Rosji glownie wskutek energetycznego uzaleznienia i unikanie starcia z Rosja. Tak tez czylal Bidena po jego slabosci wobec Nordsream 2 i rasowym burdelem wewnatrz USA. Tak wiec Ukraina byla przesadzona w takim zrozumieniu przez Putina sytuacji i Zelenski i tym wiedzial nie chcial byc Hacha i tu cala roznica.
> > Bedzie wiele opinii, Zelenski to przeciez
> > kukielka, aktor, komik, odgrawajacy role
> > jaka Mu mocodawcy napisali. Jest wiadome
> > ze prywatnie NATO powiedzialo mu ze Ukraina
> > nigdy nie zostanie przyjeta do ale by
> > publicznie nalegal o przyjecie (wywiad
> > z Zakaria bodajze).
> >
> > To samo pewnie z reakcja na propozycje
> > pokojowa Scholza. Samemu moze wyskoczyl
> > z atomowkami Ukrainy, chociaz tez watpliwe,
> > ktos mu kazal tak mowic.
> >
> > Basia
> Losy ludzkie i spoleczenstw dziwnymi czasem chadzaja drogami. Sa na ogol zdeterminowane lecz nie koniecznie tak jak to nam sie wydaje. Oto niezly przyklad historyczny:
>
> Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (/ˈklɔːdiəs/ KLAW-dee-əs; 1 August 10 BC – 13 October AD 54) was the fourth Roman emperor, ruling from AD 41 to 54. A member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, Claudius was born to Drusus and Antonia Minor at Lugdunum in Roman Gaul, where his father was stationed as a military legate. He was the first Roman emperor to be born outside Italy. Nonetheless, Claudius was an Italic of Sabine origins.[5] Because he was afflicted with a limp and slight deafness due to sickness at a young age, he was ostracized by his family and was excluded from public office until his consulship (which was shared with his nephew, Caligula, in 37).
> Claudius's infirmity probably saved him from the fate of many other nobles during the purges throughout the reigns of Tiberius and Caligula, as potential enemies did not see him as a serious threat. His survival led to him being declared emperor by the Praetorian Guard after Caligula's assassination, at which point he was the last adult male of his family. Despite his lack of experience, Claudius proved to be an able and efficient administrator.. He expanded the imperial bureaucracy to include freedmen, and helped to restore the empire's finances after the excess of Caligula's reign. He was also an ambitious builder, constructing many new roads, aqueducts, and canals across the Empire. During his reign the Empire started its successful conquest of Britain.
>
> Polecam I, Claudius.

Seneka - Udynienie Klaudiusza

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 by: Russet Bulba - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 01:52 UTC

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:10:45 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:49:00 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 4:38:13 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 8:22:24 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:59:40 PM UTC-7, cyrylme...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> > > > > > > Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > > > > > > oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > > > > > > Olaf Scholz.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jakie tam znow rewelacje od Basi, ruskiego spiocha na scp.
> > > > > Jezeli chesz to mozesz sobie Basie
> > > > > personalnie atakowac do woli, ...tak
> > > > > reaguje obecnie Trela, ...nie zmienisz
> > > > > tym jednak rzeczywistosci, obnazysz
> > > > > aby swoje swinstwo, z ktorym sie
> > > > > tak dlugo chowales na polskiej grupie.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do dziela Bulbo!
> > > > >
> > > > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> > > >
> > > > Przeciez Basia sie ze swoimi sympatiami i usilowaniami siania misinformacji obecnie nie kryje, jakby wyszla z szafy w momencie najazdu Putina, wiec o co sie jeszcze obrazac?
> > > I jak dorobienie geby Basi zmieni
> > > fakty o Zelenskim?
> > >
> > > Trela jest za glupi by zrozumiec,
> > > Bulba najwyrazniej tez. Ulepieni
> > > zostali obydwaj do wirtualnej
> > > manipulacji, i beda tkwic w
> > > wirtualnym swiecie, probowac
> > > kontrolowac, wypaczac.
> > >
> > > Artykul jest nie o problemach
> > > z przyjeciem czy nie przyjeciem
> > > do NATO Zelenskiego ale
> > > o jego odrzuceniu oferty pokojowej
> > > zlozonej przez Olafa Scholza.
> > >
> > > To wstrzasajaca wiadomosc,
> > > jezeli prawdziwa.
> > >
> > > Basia (Ona/Jej)
> >
> > Co mialby Scholtz miec do zaoferowania? Niemieckie gwarancje dla Ukrainy?
> Rzekomo Putyn i Biden mieli byc sygnotariuszami,
> taka widzialam tresc podana przez jednego komentatora.
>
> Trzeba poczekac, to nie ucieknie jezeli prawda.
> > Na bazie czegoz. Putin z ta wojna szykowal sie juz od lat, a na serio od listopada ubieglego roku. Jego celem byla aneksja Ukrainy i ponowna przebudowa Europy. De fakto zredukowanie Europy Zachodniej do podmiotu dla Rosji i wypchniecie USA z kontynentu. I w jaki sposob Putinowi mozna bylo i mozna zreszta wierzyc? Dla niego licza sie tylko rozpoznawalne dla niego fakty, a wiec slabosc i uleglosc Europy Zachodniej eobec Rosji glownie wskutek energetycznego uzaleznienia i unikanie starcia z Rosja. Tak tez czylal Bidena po jego slabosci wobec Nordsream 2 i rasowym burdelem wewnatrz USA. Tak wiec Ukraina byla przesadzona w takim zrozumieniu przez Putina sytuacji i Zelenski i tym wiedzial nie chcial byc Hacha i tu cala roznica.
> Bedzie wiele opinii, Zelenski to przeciez
> kukielka, aktor, komik, odgrawajacy role
> jaka Mu mocodawcy napisali. Jest wiadome
> ze prywatnie NATO powiedzialo mu ze Ukraina
> nigdy nie zostanie przyjeta do ale by
> publicznie nalegal o przyjecie (wywiad
> z Zakaria bodajze).
>
> To samo pewnie z reakcja na propozycje
> pokojowa Scholza. Samemu moze wyskoczyl
> z atomowkami Ukrainy, chociaz tez watpliwe,
> ktos mu kazal tak mowic.
>
> Basia
Scltz i jego akcje sa bez wartosci w tym ukladzie. Liczy sie tylko sila. Jak NATO sie nie chce angazoeac, jest to tylko Ukraina. Gdy Putinowi uda sie z Ukraina, beda dalsze problemy i Chiny sie uaktywnia w Azji.

https://youtu.be/fypBI2ovxP8

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On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:54:17 PM UTC-7, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abj...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> >
> >Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> >
> >W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> >oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> >Olaf Scholz.
> >
> >Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> >
> >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >
> >According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> >
> >According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> >
> >Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017..
> >
> >The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and
> >Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> >
> >Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement
> >and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> >
> >“His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> >
> >Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> >
> >Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the
> >Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> >
> >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>
> Pani Basiu,
>
> Nawet jesli to jest prawda, to przeciez zadna rewelacja i kazdy kto
> umie wyciagac LOGICZNE wnioski postapil by dokladnie tak samo jak
> Zalenski.
> Faktem jest ze Putin nie dotrzymuja zadnych umow - podpisal Budapest
> Memorandum ktore bez zadnych wyrzutow sumienia zlamal.
> Teraz Zelenski rozmawia z Sholtzem, ale Zelenski wie ze Putin kupil
> poprzedniego niemieckiego kanclerza - Schrödera, wiec ma uzsadnione
> obawy ze Putin kupil rowniez Sholtza.
> Sholtz mowi - powiedz ze nie chcesz isc do NATO - co Zelenski odbiera
> ze ma szanse wstapic do NATO i tak uchronic sie przed Rosja, bo Sholtz
> reprezentuje interesy Putina i chce oddac Ukraine Rosji.
> A wiec LOGICZNA odpowiedz - a ja nie chce oddac Ukrainy Rosji, chce
> wstapic do NATO i uratowac Ukraine.

Na logike czysta wywod jest niby OK,
panie Zalku, ...tylko ze Zelensky po
spotkaniu z Scholzem, w obliczu wojny,
oglosil ze wcale nie jest zainteresowany
przyjeciem "in-the-forseeable-future"
do NATO.

Panski wywod opiera sie na automatycznym
zalozeniu ze Zelenski jako Prezydent Ukrainy
chcial uniknac wojny. Zgodzi sie pan
chyba ze to zalozenie moze byc niech tylko
teoretycznie ale bledne.

Czy istnieja jakies dowody ktore wskazywalyby
w miare jednoznacznie ze Zelenski chcial
uniknac wojny?

Jezeli nie to pozostaje opcja druga,
ktora podal pan chyba dla drwiny, nie?

Scholz, Zelenskiy play down talk of NATO membership for Ukraine
February 14, 2022

KYIV — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought Monday to tamp down tension with Russia by suggesting that NATO membership for Ukraine was not on their agenda.

At a press conference in Kyiv, Scholz and Zelenskiy played down the likelihood of Ukraine joining the military alliance in the foreseeable future. With more than 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine’s border, Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared that any further NATO expansion to the east would be “unacceptable” and demanded “security guarantees” for Moscow.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraines-nato-membership-not-on-the-agenda-says-scholz/

> Inna mozliwosc - Zelemski jest Pani wiernym czytelnikiem i uwierzyl
> Pani teorii o germanizacji Zachodu i nie chcial miec wspolego z
> Germanami.
>
> zalek

Basia

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On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 11:56:54 PM UTC-3, Basia wrote:
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:54:17 PM UTC-7, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abj...@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> > >
> > >Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> > >
> > >W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> > >oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> > >Olaf Scholz.
> > >
> > >Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> > >
> > >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> > >
> > >According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> > >
> > >According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> > >
> > >Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> > >
> > >The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and
> > >Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> > >
> > >Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement
> > >and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> > >
> > >“His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> > >
> > >Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> > >
> > >Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the
> > >Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> > >
> > >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >
> > Pani Basiu,
> >
> > Nawet jesli to jest prawda, to przeciez zadna rewelacja i kazdy kto
> > umie wyciagac LOGICZNE wnioski postapil by dokladnie tak samo jak
> > Zalenski.
> > Faktem jest ze Putin nie dotrzymuja zadnych umow - podpisal Budapest
> > Memorandum ktore bez zadnych wyrzutow sumienia zlamal.
> > Teraz Zelenski rozmawia z Sholtzem, ale Zelenski wie ze Putin kupil
> > poprzedniego niemieckiego kanclerza - Schrödera, wiec ma uzsadnione
> > obawy ze Putin kupil rowniez Sholtza.
> > Sholtz mowi - powiedz ze nie chcesz isc do NATO - co Zelenski odbiera
> > ze ma szanse wstapic do NATO i tak uchronic sie przed Rosja, bo Sholtz
> > reprezentuje interesy Putina i chce oddac Ukraine Rosji.
> > A wiec LOGICZNA odpowiedz - a ja nie chce oddac Ukrainy Rosji, chce
> > wstapic do NATO i uratowac Ukraine.
> Na logike czysta wywod jest niby OK,
> panie Zalku, ...tylko ze Zelensky po
> spotkaniu z Scholzem, w obliczu wojny,
> oglosil ze wcale nie jest zainteresowany
> przyjeciem "in-the-forseeable-future"
> do NATO.
>
> Panski wywod opiera sie na automatycznym
> zalozeniu ze Zelenski jako Prezydent Ukrainy
> chcial uniknac wojny. Zgodzi sie pan
> chyba ze to zalozenie moze byc niech tylko
> teoretycznie ale bledne.
>
> Czy istnieja jakies dowody ktore wskazywalyby
> w miare jednoznacznie ze Zelenski chcial
> uniknac wojny?
>
> Jezeli nie to pozostaje opcja druga,
> ktora podal pan chyba dla drwiny, nie?
>
> Scholz, Zelenskiy play down talk of NATO membership for Ukraine
> February 14, 2022
>
> KYIV — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought Monday to tamp down tension with Russia by suggesting that NATO membership for Ukraine was not on their agenda.
>
> At a press conference in Kyiv, Scholz and Zelenskiy played down the likelihood of Ukraine joining the military alliance in the foreseeable future. With more than 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine’s border, Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared that any further NATO expansion to the east would be “unacceptable” and demanded “security guarantees” for Moscow.
>
> https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraines-nato-membership-not-on-the-agenda-says-scholz/
> > Inna mozliwosc - Zelemski jest Pani wiernym czytelnikiem i uwierzyl
> > Pani teorii o germanizacji Zachodu i nie chcial miec wspolego z
> > Germanami.
> >
> > zalek
> Basia

Polska mowiac, ze nie odda nawet guzika, tez zapewne chciala wojny. O czym mial Zelenski mowic z Putinem? O utracie niepodleglosci przez Ukraine? Putin dazyl do wchloniecia Ukrainy przez lata. Ma to i swoj proces na Bialorusi.., gdzie sa tylko pozory bialoruskiej niepodleglosci. Putin nie jest az tak inwentywnym i w zwiazku z tym przypomina Hitlera gdy wchlanial Czechoslowacje. Az do zludzenia w tym wzgledzie.

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 by: ZalekBl...@hotmail.com - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 16:16 UTC

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 19:56:53 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abjjkst@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:54:17 PM UTC-7, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abj...@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
>> >
>> >Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
>> >
>> >W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
>> >oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
>> >Olaf Scholz.
>> >
>> >Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
>> >
>> >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>> >
>> >According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
>> >
>> >According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
>> >
>> >Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
>> >
>> >The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and
>> >Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
>> >
>> >Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement
>> >and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
>> >
>> >“His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
>> >
>> >Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
>> >
>> >Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the
>> >Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
>> >
>> >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
>>
>> Pani Basiu,
>>
>> Nawet jesli to jest prawda, to przeciez zadna rewelacja i kazdy kto
>> umie wyciagac LOGICZNE wnioski postapil by dokladnie tak samo jak
>> Zalenski.
>> Faktem jest ze Putin nie dotrzymuja zadnych umow - podpisal Budapest
>> Memorandum ktore bez zadnych wyrzutow sumienia zlamal.
>> Teraz Zelenski rozmawia z Sholtzem, ale Zelenski wie ze Putin kupil
>> poprzedniego niemieckiego kanclerza - Schrödera, wiec ma uzsadnione
>> obawy ze Putin kupil rowniez Sholtza.
>> Sholtz mowi - powiedz ze nie chcesz isc do NATO - co Zelenski odbiera
>> ze ma szanse wstapic do NATO i tak uchronic sie przed Rosja, bo Sholtz
>> reprezentuje interesy Putina i chce oddac Ukraine Rosji.
>> A wiec LOGICZNA odpowiedz - a ja nie chce oddac Ukrainy Rosji, chce
>> wstapic do NATO i uratowac Ukraine.
>
>Na logike czysta wywod jest niby OK,
>panie Zalku, ...tylko ze Zelensky po
>spotkaniu z Scholzem, w obliczu wojny,
>oglosil ze wcale nie jest zainteresowany
>przyjeciem "in-the-forseeable-future"
>do NATO.
>
>Panski wywod opiera sie na automatycznym
>zalozeniu ze Zelenski jako Prezydent Ukrainy
>chcial uniknac wojny. Zgodzi sie pan
>chyba ze to zalozenie moze byc niech tylko
>teoretycznie ale bledne.
>
>Czy istnieja jakies dowody ktore wskazywalyby
>w miare jednoznacznie ze Zelenski chcial
>uniknac wojny?
>
>Jezeli nie to pozostaje opcja druga,
>ktora podal pan chyba dla drwiny, nie?
>
>Scholz, Zelenskiy play down talk of NATO membership for Ukraine
>February 14, 2022
>
>KYIV — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought Monday to tamp down tension with Russia by
>suggesting that NATO membership for Ukraine was not on their agenda.
>
>At a press conference in Kyiv, Scholz and Zelenskiy played down the likelihood of Ukraine joining the military alliance in the foreseeable future.
>With more than 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine’s border, Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared that any further NATO
>expansion to the east would be “unacceptable” and demanded “security guarantees” for Moscow.
>
>https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraines-nato-membership-not-on-the-agenda-says-scholz/
>
>> Inna mozliwosc - Zelemski jest Pani wiernym czytelnikiem i uwierzyl
>> Pani teorii o germanizacji Zachodu i nie chcial miec wspolego z
>> Germanami.
>>
>> zalek
>
>Basia

Pani Basiu,
Ja jestem mezczyzna wiec rozumuje logicznie, Pani jest kobieta, wiec
Pani ma prawo rozumowac emocjonalnie.

zalek

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 by: Basia - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:06 UTC

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:16:27 AM UTC-7, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 19:56:53 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abj...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:54:17 PM UTC-7, Zalek...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Basia <abj...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Rewelacyjne wiesci z Wall Streeet Journal!
> >> >
> >> >Zelensky nie chcial pokoju!
> >> >
> >> >W przededniu wojny odmowil pokojowej
> >> >oferty jak zaoferowal kanclerz Niemiec
> >> >Olaf Scholz.
> >> >
> >> >Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive – WSJ — Analysis
> >> >
> >> >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >> >
> >> >According to reports, the German Chancellor tried to persuade the Ukrainian leader not to join NATO.
> >> >
> >> >According to the Wall Street Journal, Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) had suggested that Volodymyr Zilensky be granted peace in exchange for his support just days prior to the Russian military offensive.
> >> >
> >> >Scholz made the US outlet’s description of Scholz as “one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kiev”It was less than one week before the Russian troops entered Ukraine, on February 24, 2017.
> >> >
> >> >The chancellor told Zelensky in Munich on February 19 “that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and
> >> >Russia,”The paper says. Daily also asserts that “the pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.”
> >> >
> >> >Zelensky, however, refused to accept the concession in order to avoid confrontation and said that “[Russia’s President Vladimir] Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement
> >> >and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO,”The WSJ report does not reveal its source for this information.
> >> >
> >> >“His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading,”The report highlights.
> >> >
> >> >Scholz and Zelensky actually met that day, on the sidelines to the Munich Security Conference. Each delivered an address.
> >> >
> >> >Russia attacked its neighbor in late February, following Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements signed in 2014, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the
> >> >Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. French and German protocols were designed to normalize those areas within Ukraine’s state.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.massnews.com/zelensky-rejected-peace-offer-days-before-russian-offensive-wsj-analysis/
> >>
> >> Pani Basiu,
> >>
> >> Nawet jesli to jest prawda, to przeciez zadna rewelacja i kazdy kto
> >> umie wyciagac LOGICZNE wnioski postapil by dokladnie tak samo jak
> >> Zalenski.
> >> Faktem jest ze Putin nie dotrzymuja zadnych umow - podpisal Budapest
> >> Memorandum ktore bez zadnych wyrzutow sumienia zlamal.
> >> Teraz Zelenski rozmawia z Sholtzem, ale Zelenski wie ze Putin kupil
> >> poprzedniego niemieckiego kanclerza - Schrödera, wiec ma uzsadnione
> >> obawy ze Putin kupil rowniez Sholtza.
> >> Sholtz mowi - powiedz ze nie chcesz isc do NATO - co Zelenski odbiera
> >> ze ma szanse wstapic do NATO i tak uchronic sie przed Rosja, bo Sholtz
> >> reprezentuje interesy Putina i chce oddac Ukraine Rosji.
> >> A wiec LOGICZNA odpowiedz - a ja nie chce oddac Ukrainy Rosji, chce
> >> wstapic do NATO i uratowac Ukraine.
> >
> >Na logike czysta wywod jest niby OK,
> >panie Zalku, ...tylko ze Zelensky po
> >spotkaniu z Scholzem, w obliczu wojny,
> >oglosil ze wcale nie jest zainteresowany
> >przyjeciem "in-the-forseeable-future"
> >do NATO.
> >
> >Panski wywod opiera sie na automatycznym
> >zalozeniu ze Zelenski jako Prezydent Ukrainy
> >chcial uniknac wojny. Zgodzi sie pan
> >chyba ze to zalozenie moze byc niech tylko
> >teoretycznie ale bledne.
> >
> >Czy istnieja jakies dowody ktore wskazywalyby
> >w miare jednoznacznie ze Zelenski chcial
> >uniknac wojny?
> >
> >Jezeli nie to pozostaje opcja druga,
> >ktora podal pan chyba dla drwiny, nie?
> >
> >Scholz, Zelenskiy play down talk of NATO membership for Ukraine
> >February 14, 2022
> >
> >KYIV — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought Monday to tamp down tension with Russia by
> >suggesting that NATO membership for Ukraine was not on their agenda.
> >
> >At a press conference in Kyiv, Scholz and Zelenskiy played down the likelihood of Ukraine joining the military alliance in the foreseeable future.
> >With more than 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine’s border, Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared that any further NATO
> >expansion to the east would be “unacceptable” and demanded “security guarantees” for Moscow.
> >
> >https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraines-nato-membership-not-on-the-agenda-says-scholz/
> >
> >> Inna mozliwosc - Zelemski jest Pani wiernym czytelnikiem i uwierzyl
> >> Pani teorii o germanizacji Zachodu i nie chcial miec wspolego z
> >> Germanami.
> >>
> >> zalek
> >
> >Basia
>
> Pani Basiu,
> Ja jestem mezczyzna wiec rozumuje logicznie, Pani jest kobieta, wiec
> Pani ma prawo rozumowac emocjonalnie.

Do kobiecej "emocji" i braku jednoznacznych
dowodow ze Zelenski chcial uniknac wojny,

....dodam jeszcze jedna "emocje" a mianowicie
nie wypelnienie przez Zelenskiego 'Umow Minskich'
tzw. Minsk Agreements ktore to umowy mialy
na celu zapobiezenie wojnie.

Basia (Ona/Jej)


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