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"The presidency of George W. Bush may have been the high point of the modern Christian right’s influence in America. White evangelicals were the largest religious faction in the country.
....
But the evangelicals who thought they were about to take over America were destined for disappointment. On Thursday, P.R.R.I. released startling new polling data showing just how much ground the religious right has lost. P.R.R.I.’s 2020 Census of American Religion, based on a survey of nearly half a million people, shows a precipitous decline in the share of the population identifying as white evangelical, from 23 percent in 2006 to 14.5 percent last year. (As a category, “white evangelicals” isn’t a perfect proxy for the religious right, but the overlap is substantial.) In 2020, as in every year since 2013, the largest religious group in the United States was the religiously unaffiliated.

One of P.R.R.I.’s most surprising findings was that in 2020, there were more white mainline Protestants than white evangelicals. This doesn’t necessarily mean Christians are joining mainline congregations — the survey measures self-identification, not church affiliation. It is, nevertheless, a striking turnabout after years when mainline Protestantism was considered moribund and evangelical Christianity full of dynamism.

In addition to shrinking as a share of the population, white evangelicals were also the oldest religious group in the United States, with a median age of 56. “It’s not just that they are dying off, but it is that they’re losing younger members,” Jones told me. As the group has become older and smaller, Jones said, “a real visceral sense of loss of cultural dominance” has set in.

White evangelicals once saw themselves “as the owners of mainstream American culture and morality and values,” said Jones. Now they are just another subculture.

From this fact derives much of our country’s cultural conflict. It helps explain not just the rise of Donald Trump, but also the growth of QAnon and even the escalating conflagration over critical race theory."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/opinion/religious-right-america.html

Christianity does play an important role in the US and other Western nations. The decline of Christian Right would impact many Americas' sense of identity as well as other psychological needs.

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ltlee1 wrote:
> "The presidency of George W. Bush may have been the high point of the modern Christian right’s influence in America. White evangelicals were the largest religious faction in the country.
> ...
> But the evangelicals who thought they were about to take over America were destined for disappointment. On Thursday, P.R.R.I. released startling new polling data showing just how much ground the religious right has lost. P.R.R.I.’s 2020 Census of American Religion, based on a survey of nearly half a million people, shows a precipitous decline in the share of the population identifying as white evangelical, from 23 percent in 2006 to 14.5 percent last year. (As a category, “white evangelicals” isn’t a perfect proxy for the religious right, but the overlap is substantial.) In 2020, as in every year since 2013, the largest religious group in the United States was the religiously unaffiliated.
>
> One of P.R.R.I.’s most surprising findings was that in 2020, there were more white mainline Protestants than white evangelicals. This doesn’t necessarily mean Christians are joining mainline congregations — the survey measures self-identification, not church affiliation. It is, nevertheless, a striking turnabout after years when mainline Protestantism was considered moribund and evangelical Christianity full of dynamism.
>
> In addition to shrinking as a share of the population, white evangelicals were also the oldest religious group in the United States, with a median age of 56. “It’s not just that they are dying off, but it is that they’re losing younger members,” Jones told me. As the group has become older and smaller, Jones said, “a real visceral sense of loss of cultural dominance” has set in.
>
> White evangelicals once saw themselves “as the owners of mainstream American culture and morality and values,” said Jones. Now they are just another subculture.
>
> From this fact derives much of our country’s cultural conflict. It helps explain not just the rise of Donald Trump, but also the growth of QAnon and even the escalating conflagration over critical race theory."
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/opinion/religious-right-america.html
>
> Christianity does play an important role in the US and other Western nations. The decline of Christian Right would impact many Americas' sense of identity as well as other psychological needs.
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Today, no one gives a shit about Jesus.
They have better things to do.
If they are unhappy in the U.S., they can
always migrate to another country.
The U.S. is not holding anyone back.
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On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 1:21:39 PM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > "The presidency of George W. Bush may have been the high point of the modern Christian right’s influence in America. White evangelicals were the largest religious faction in the country.
> > ...
> > But the evangelicals who thought they were about to take over America were destined for disappointment. On Thursday, P.R.R.I. released startling new polling data showing just how much ground the religious right has lost. P.R.R.I.’s 2020 Census of American Religion, based on a survey of nearly half a million people, shows a precipitous decline in the share of the population identifying as white evangelical, from 23 percent in 2006 to 14.5 percent last year. (As a category, “white evangelicals” isn’t a perfect proxy for the religious right, but the overlap is substantial.) In 2020, as in every year since 2013, the largest religious group in the United States was the religiously unaffiliated.
> >
> > One of P.R.R.I.’s most surprising findings was that in 2020, there were more white mainline Protestants than white evangelicals. This doesn’t necessarily mean Christians are joining mainline congregations — the survey measures self-identification, not church affiliation. It is, nevertheless, a striking turnabout after years when mainline Protestantism was considered moribund and evangelical Christianity full of dynamism.
> >
> > In addition to shrinking as a share of the population, white evangelicals were also the oldest religious group in the United States, with a median age of 56. “It’s not just that they are dying off, but it is that they’re losing younger members,” Jones told me. As the group has become older and smaller, Jones said, “a real visceral sense of loss of cultural dominance” has set in.
> >
> > White evangelicals once saw themselves “as the owners of mainstream American culture and morality and values,” said Jones. Now they are just another subculture.
> >
> > From this fact derives much of our country’s cultural conflict. It helps explain not just the rise of Donald Trump, but also the growth of QAnon and even the escalating conflagration over critical race theory."
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/opinion/religious-right-america.html
> >
> > Christianity does play an important role in the US and other Western nations. The decline of Christian Right would impact many Americas' sense of identity as well as other psychological needs.
> ----------------
> Today, no one gives a shit about Jesus.
> They have better things to do.
> If they are unhappy in the U.S., they can
> always migrate to another country.
> The U.S. is not holding anyone back.

Thank you for responding. But please don't get me wrong.
I did not write the article. Michelle Goldberg did. And she , more likely than not, will agrees with you.
Nevertheless the article is entitled "The Christian Right Is in Decline, and It’s Taking America With It."

America falling to the dark side is from the Christian Right's point of view. As Michelle Goldberg has seen it,
she "was frightened by the religious right in its triumphant phase. But it turns out that the movement is just
as dangerous in decline. Maybe more so. It didn’t take long for the cocky optimism of Generation
Joshua to give way to the nihilism of the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. If they can’t own the country, they’re ready
to defile it."
> ----

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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:15 UTC

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 2:41:31 PM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 1:21:39 PM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "The presidency of George W. Bush may have been the high point of the modern Christian right’s influence in America. White evangelicals were the largest religious faction in the country.
> > > ...
> > > But the evangelicals who thought they were about to take over America were destined for disappointment. On Thursday, P.R.R.I. released startling new polling data showing just how much ground the religious right has lost.. P.R.R.I.’s 2020 Census of American Religion, based on a survey of nearly half a million people, shows a precipitous decline in the share of the population identifying as white evangelical, from 23 percent in 2006 to 14.5 percent last year. (As a category, “white evangelicals” isn’t a perfect proxy for the religious right, but the overlap is substantial.) In 2020, as in every year since 2013, the largest religious group in the United States was the religiously unaffiliated.
> > >
> > > One of P.R.R.I.’s most surprising findings was that in 2020, there were more white mainline Protestants than white evangelicals. This doesn’t necessarily mean Christians are joining mainline congregations — the survey measures self-identification, not church affiliation.. It is, nevertheless, a striking turnabout after years when mainline Protestantism was considered moribund and evangelical Christianity full of dynamism.
> > >
> > > In addition to shrinking as a share of the population, white evangelicals were also the oldest religious group in the United States, with a median age of 56. “It’s not just that they are dying off, but it is that they’re losing younger members,” Jones told me. As the group has become older and smaller, Jones said, “a real visceral sense of loss of cultural dominance” has set in.
> > >
> > > White evangelicals once saw themselves “as the owners of mainstream American culture and morality and values,” said Jones. Now they are just another subculture.
> > >
> > > From this fact derives much of our country’s cultural conflict. It helps explain not just the rise of Donald Trump, but also the growth of QAnon and even the escalating conflagration over critical race theory."
> > >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/opinion/religious-right-america.html
> > >
> > > Christianity does play an important role in the US and other Western nations. The decline of Christian Right would impact many Americas' sense of identity as well as other psychological needs.
> > ----------------
> > Today, no one gives a shit about Jesus.
> > They have better things to do.
> > If they are unhappy in the U.S., they can
> > always migrate to another country.
> > The U.S. is not holding anyone back.
> Thank you for responding. But please don't get me wrong.
> I did not write the article. Michelle Goldberg did. And she , more likely than not, will agrees with you.
> Nevertheless the article is entitled "The Christian Right Is in Decline, and It’s Taking America With It."
>
> America falling to the dark side is from the Christian Right's point of view. As Michelle Goldberg has seen it,
> she "was frightened by the religious right in its triumphant phase. But it turns out that the movement is just
> as dangerous in decline. Maybe more so. It didn’t take long for the cocky optimism of Generation
> Joshua to give way to the nihilism of the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. If they can’t own the country, they’re ready
> to defile it."
>
> > ----

America is at a cross road on what to do with Christianity. The longer trend is toward more and more secularization. However, many Americans
are living in fear and they are hoping against all hopes. Their need for Christianity is getting bigger. Michelle Goldberg writes for
the NYTimes.

The following article "An Kingdom" is from the WashingtonPost's Stephanie McCrummen.

"The church is called Mercy Culture, and it is part of a growing Christian movement that is nondenominational, openly political and has become an engine of former president Donald Trump’s Republican Party. It includes some of the largest congregations in the nation, housed in the husks of old Baptist churches, former big-box stores and sprawling multimillion-dollar buildings with private security to direct traffic on Sundays. Its most successful leaders are considered apostles and prophets, including some with followings in the hundreds of thousands, publishing empires, TV shows, vast prayer networks, podcasts, spiritual academies, and branding in the form of T-shirts, bumper stickers and even flags. It is a world in which demons are real, miracles are real, and the ultimate mission is not just transforming individual lives but also turning civilization itself into their version of God’s Kingdom: one with two genders, no abortion, a free-market economy, Bible-based education, church-based social programs and laws such as the ones curtailing LGBTQ rights now moving through statehouses around the country.
....
Even as mainline Protestant and evangelical denominations continue an overall decline in numbers in a changing America, nondenominational congregations have surged from being virtually nonexistent in the 1980s to accounting for roughly 1 in 10 Americans in 2020, according to long-term academic surveys of religious affiliation. Church leaders tend to attribute the growth to the power of an uncompromised Christianity. Experts seeking a more historical understanding point to a relatively recent development called the New Apostolic Reformation, or NAR."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/11/mercy-culture-church/

It is a world in which demons are real because these people's lives are infused by fear. Yet they can't trust fellow Americans and they can't trust the government. Where else could they turn to? It is a world in which miracles are real because these Americans are hoping against hope.


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