Not a good sign.
What happened to superior German engineering?

"This Volkswagen ID.3 Lost 10% Of Its Battery Capacity After 30,000
Miles"
"Battery degradation doesn�t seem to be this German EV�s forte."

<https://insideevs.com/news/700247/vw-id3-battery-degradation-30k-miles-
video/>

"One of the talking points of owning an electric car is how much capacity
the battery will retain after several years and thousands of miles of
driving. Just like a smartphone, an EV�s battery will degrade over time
which means it will offer fewer driving miles on a full charge.

Some car manufacturers and their associated suppliers have mastered the
chemistry that goes into the EVs they make, while others fall short of
expectations.

In the video embedded above, Bjorn Nyland, a YouTuber who�s known for his
deep dive videos on EVs�as well as his unconventional banana box
test�takes a two-year-old Volkswagen ID.3 for a spin to see how much
battery it still has.

This particular German electric hatchback is powered by a 62-kilowatt-
hour battery and has driven just 30,000 miles or 48,000 kilometers. So
you would expect to see minimal degradation, but the reality doesn�t live
up to the expectations.

It�s worth noting that the 62 kWh figure refers to the gross capacity,
while the usable capacity is around 58 kWh. With this said, after driving
for about 158 miles (254 km) in freezing temperatures in Norway, Bjorn
stopped at a Tesla Supercharger to top up the battery and did the math."

"The car had an energy consumption of 19.6 kWh/100 km, which translates
to 31.5 kWh/100 miles. That�s worse than the Tesla Model Y Long Range (28
kWh/100 mi, according to the EPA) but pretty much on par with the Hyundai
Ioniq 5 Standard Range RWD (30 kWh/100 mi).

As for the degradation rate, it�s a mixed bag. As per the YouTuber�s
calculations, this particular ID.3 lost 6.3% of its battery reaching a
total usable capacity of 52.1 kWh, but there�s an asterisk here. He
compared the amount of energy that could be stored in the battery pack to
the figure he observed when driving a brand-new ID.3 a few years ago,
which is 55.6 kWh. That said, we'd take these numbers with a grain of
salt.

If we compare it to the usable capacity touted by Volkswagen�58 kWh�the
degradation is even worse: 10.1%.

The same Bjorn Nyland tested other EVs using this method and found that a
Tesla Model 3 Performance�s battery experienced a 5.3% degradation after
38,000 miles (62,000 km), while a 2019 BMW i3 with 94,000 miles (152,000
km) on the odometer had its battery pack degrade by just 1.6%. A two-
year-old Mercedes-Benz EQC with 145,000 miles saw a degradation of 8.4%.

As with the famous quote from HBO�s Chernobyl mini-series, this ID.3�s
battery degradation is not great, not terrible. But what do you think?
Let us know in the comments below."

On 2023-12-12, Paul Ragna <tpragna@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not a good sign.
> What happened to superior German engineering?
>
> "This Volkswagen ID.3 Lost 10% Of Its Battery Capacity After 30,000
> Miles"
> "Battery degradation doesn’t seem to be this German EV’s forte."
>
><https://insideevs.com/news/700247/vw-id3-battery-degradation-30k-miles-
> video/>
>
> "One of the talking points of owning an electric car is how much capacity
> the battery will retain after several years and thousands of miles of
> driving. Just like a smartphone, an EV’s battery will degrade over time
> which means it will offer fewer driving miles on a full charge.
>
> Some car manufacturers and their associated suppliers have mastered the
> chemistry that goes into the EVs they make, while others fall short of
> expectations.
>
> In the video embedded above, Bjorn Nyland, a YouTuber who’s known for his
> deep dive videos on EVs–as well as his unconventional banana box
> test–takes a two-year-old Volkswagen ID.3 for a spin to see how much
> battery it still has.
>
> This particular German electric hatchback is powered by a 62-kilowatt-
> hour battery and has driven just 30,000 miles or 48,000 kilometers. So
> you would expect to see minimal degradation, but the reality doesn’t live
> up to the expectations.
>
> It’s worth noting that the 62 kWh figure refers to the gross capacity,
> while the usable capacity is around 58 kWh. With this said, after driving
> for about 158 miles (254 km) in freezing temperatures in Norway, Bjorn
> stopped at a Tesla Supercharger to top up the battery and did the math."
>
> "The car had an energy consumption of 19.6 kWh/100 km, which translates
> to 31.5 kWh/100 miles. That’s worse than the Tesla Model Y Long Range (28
> kWh/100 mi, according to the EPA) but pretty much on par with the Hyundai
> Ioniq 5 Standard Range RWD (30 kWh/100 mi).
>
> As for the degradation rate, it’s a mixed bag. As per the YouTuber’s
> calculations, this particular ID.3 lost 6.3% of its battery reaching a
> total usable capacity of 52.1 kWh, but there’s an asterisk here. He
> compared the amount of energy that could be stored in the battery pack to
> the figure he observed when driving a brand-new ID.3 a few years ago,
> which is 55.6 kWh. That said, we'd take these numbers with a grain of
> salt.
>
> If we compare it to the usable capacity touted by Volkswagen–58 kWh–the
> degradation is even worse: 10.1%.
>
> The same Bjorn Nyland tested other EVs using this method and found that a
> Tesla Model 3 Performance’s battery experienced a 5.3% degradation after
> 38,000 miles (62,000 km), while a 2019 BMW i3 with 94,000 miles (152,000
> km) on the odometer had its battery pack degrade by just 1.6%. A two-
> year-old Mercedes-Benz EQC with 145,000 miles saw a degradation of 8.4%.
>
> As with the famous quote from HBO’s Chernobyl mini-series, this ID.3’s
> battery degradation is not great, not terrible. But what do you think?
> Let us know in the comments below."

I'm not surprised.
Volkswagon cars suck.
They are unreliable, difficult and expensive to repair.
Audi is even worse.
Porsche are well made cars but extremely expensive to repair.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:30:55 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>I'm not surprised.
>Volkswagon cars suck.
>They are unreliable, difficult and expensive to repair.
>Audi is even worse.
>Porsche are well made cars but extremely expensive to repair.

When's the last time you had to repair a Corvette?

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On 2023-12-13, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:30:55 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm not surprised.
>>Volkswagon cars suck.
>>They are unreliable, difficult and expensive to repair.
>>Audi is even worse.
>>Porsche are well made cars but extremely expensive to repair.
>
> When's the last time you had to repair a Corvette?
>
> Swill

Corvette is considered to be a super car. Yes they are expensive to repair, but most years have
good reliability records.
I'd be real nervous about the C8 though with it's mid engine design. Access is going to be a
nightmare.

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Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:54:06 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Corvette is considered to be a super car. Yes they are expensive to repair, but most years have
>good reliability records.

*laughs and points*

They're JUNK! Germany led the world in vehicle engineering, build quality and reliability
for decades until they were eclipsed by the Japanese in the eighties. Karl Benz is
credited with building the first gasoline IC car.

US cars, although at one time cutting edge stylish and innovative, have never been known
for stellar build quality and long term reliability. It took competition from Japan to
bring them up to the level they're at now.

>I'd be real nervous about the C8 though with it's mid engine design. Access is going to be a
>nightmare.

Who cares? It's a supercar designed and built to compete globally with Audi's R8,
Porsche, Ferrarri and Lamborghini. What's really ripped the Europeans a new one is that
the 'Vette can now challenge all these in performance for half the price.

If you can't afford a $500 oil change, what are you doing buying an exotic in the first
place? An oil change on a Rolls can cost you as much as $2000.

Swill
--
"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

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On 2023-12-13, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:54:06 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>Corvette is considered to be a super car. Yes they are expensive to repair, but most years have
>>good reliability records.
>
> *laughs and points*
>
> They're JUNK! Germany led the world in vehicle engineering, build quality and reliability
> for decades until they were eclipsed by the Japanese in the eighties. Karl Benz is
> credited with building the first gasoline IC car.
>
> US cars, although at one time cutting edge stylish and innovative, have never been known
> for stellar build quality and long term reliability. It took competition from Japan to
> bring them up to the level they're at now.
>
>>I'd be real nervous about the C8 though with it's mid engine design. Access is going to be a
>>nightmare.
>
> Who cares? It's a supercar designed and built to compete globally with Audi's R8,
> Porsche, Ferrarri and Lamborghini. What's really ripped the Europeans a new one is that
> the 'Vette can now challenge all these in performance for half the price.
>
> If you can't afford a $500 oil change, what are you doing buying an exotic in the first
> place? An oil change on a Rolls can cost you as much as $2000.
>
> Swill
> --

Well, having owned 2 VW Jettas (for the kids) a 2020 Vette and various Mustangs, I can say the VW's
aside from safety which is why I purchased them for the kids, required the most maintenance by far.
And the problems were systemic in that both cars mimicked each other.
For example the "crack pipe" coolant distribution piece failed several times on both.
Both had the drivers window fall down into the door.
Both had the water pump, with a plastic impeller, croak and leave the driver stranded.
Electrical gremlins permeated both cars.
Etc.
VW fails to fix these design issues.

My 2020 vette had issues with the tranny.
Chevy replaced it and things were fine after that.
Other than that, it was routine maintenance and prices were in line with other cars I have owned.

The biggest problem with German cars is the extensive use of plastic parts in the engine
compartment.
Over time, the plastic hardens and breaks due to the heating/cooling cycles.
And these are dealer only items and are extremely expensive.

I agree if you can afford something like an R8, you should be able to afford the maintenance.

I have a friend who owns an older Ferrari and the price to fix anything is insane.
And honestly, the car is very uncomfortable and not fun to drive.
It's the same model in the Magnum PI show.

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