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Would you say that since Griffith (the elder) in 1356 is settling lands upon his *grandson* that the intervening John was already then dead ?

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On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:28:51 AM UTC-8, wjhons...@gmail.com wrote:
> Would you say that since Griffith (the elder) in 1356 is settling lands upon his *grandson* that the intervening John was already then dead ?

That was the tentative conclusion I reached, though there are other possible explanations.

I have seen later wills where a ne'er-do-well son (or a daughter with an unworthy husband) was written out of a will, with their share to be held in trust then given directly to grandchildren when they reached majority, so this may have been the medieval version of that. Likewise, this has the smell of a marriage settlement, and I have seen some of these where a parent settled land on the groom and his new bride, stipulating that the grantees would then enfeof the property back to the grantor for life. Thus this may simply have been the cost of arranging a marriage into a much more prominent family, done with the full consent of a living father.

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